Olajuwon became a US citizen in 93. Clearly, he was better than Ewing & Robinson but he wasn't eligible. I'm just glad The Weasel Zeke ThomAss was excluded. He would've corrupted & polluted that original Dream Team.
Hakeem Olajuwon should have been on the 1992 Dream Team, those guys were his generation...he made the 1996 team but it just wasn't the same. That whole "not an American citizen" crap was just that...crap.
Karl Malone-Charles Barkley-John Stockton-Patrick Ewing were all part of the elite and one & only 92 Dream Team. The all got Olympic GOLD. The Weasel got left out for being so ugly. The Olympic committee saw that Isiah's daughter look like his rectum and quickly declared The Vermin ineligible for international competition.
Hey Isiah, where's your 92 Olympics Dream Team gold medal? U don't have one? They left u out? Oh, that explains why u have zero Olympic gold medal. I feel bad for ur daughter. She looks just like u. She looks like a man.
Hey Karl Malone-Charles Barkley-John Stockton-Patrick Ewing you all are such great players but where are your NBA championship rings ? Think Isiah Thomas has 2 of them.
i felt bad for Karl Malone's elbow for taking such as vicious hit from Isiah's eyebrow. I hope they X-rayed, iced & nurtured that elbow after it happened. Isiah's bloodied eyebrow didn't take crap from nobody. Out of respect for Zeke, the Dream Team members said they'd rather convert Laettner as a point guard than have The Weasel on the team. Assiah should've a ball Boy on that 92 team. Oops sorry, i mean a ball, towel, & water Man
thomas' undoing and hate is a result of largely the media and to his discredit himself but he had no business not being on the dream team. He should have been there over stockton who was injured during the olympics
chemistry Issue! Fuck all the players that didn't want Isiah Thomas! Specially, Pippen,Jordan, I don't know if I could named him as Isiah friend or his real name the backstepper of Magic Fucking Johnson! Backstepper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It's not about the way he played, but the way he carried himself as a professional. Barkley and Malone were both dirty players, but they also represented themselves respectfully and accepted their losses when they took them, congratulating the victors and moving on. Isiah Thomas would throw it in your face and let you know loud & clear when he beat you, and duck like a bitch without a word when you beat him. There's no class, no dignity, no respect to be gained like that.
@IceTrey310 Wait a second...what about Muhammad Ali?? That guy was the most pathetic example of Sportsmanship that ever walked the face of the Earth. He cried like a sore loser after he lost fights....threw around Racial slurs against his opponents, and personally assaulted their character. Yet hes treated like a King, and was shockingly declared the "Greatest Sportsman" in some outrageous list. Barkley represented himself respectfully? What? Are we talking about the guy who spits on fans?
@IceTrey310 And Malone? Are we talking about the guy who said that if Magic kept playing that he would quit the NBA? Are we talking about the guy whom Dominique Wilkins called out for his intentional violent play? Even going so far as to say that Malone "wasnt a man." Nice try...but pointing all of the fingers at Isiah isnt going to fly. He remains the ONLY person who was a thorn in the side of Jordan, Bird, and Magic. Thats why he didnt get on. Like Drexler said, he SHOULD have been on the team
@williwo,agree 100%!Straight politics against Zeke..and it was funny as hell,the next season he lit Stocton ass up so bad dirty ass Malone elbowed him in the head...
Scottie's just bitter that Detroit was one of only two teams that wasn't willing to just kiss Jordan's behind (Early 90s Knicks being the other). Basketball died during Jordan's second three peat run because everyone stood back and watched Jordan run over them time after time. No one was willing to stand up to him but Detroit in the late 80s.
Isiah beat Bird, Jordan, Magic all in one playoff run (and beat Ewing, Jordan and Drexler the next year). Pippen's just butthurt.
wow, to be honest i liked there answers they were honest and actually didnt try to be to diplomatic. Scottie at first tried to play the middle ground then clyde opened up a little bit then scottie said ok fine lets spill it. Alot of respect for that because you know people in the basketball communtiy were gonna knock these guys for bringing up old demons.
all the salty egos and champions mixed in the same pot and its gonna boil down to how is cool and who isnt! Thomas wasnt cool! his teammates were thugs in booty shorts. They were cool! they fought literally in every arena in the NBA of course no one wants a troublemaker,especially the ring leader, to be on thier team!DUH! look at thomas' body of work since he stopped playing... CBA-FOLDED New York Knicks president-SHITTY.
He's a batch of sour grapes in a basket and the dream team werent biting
Ok OK here it is Barkley and Christian Laettner should not have been on the team! Thomas deserved it! Barkley never did shit! and christian wasnt even the best player in college basketball at that time, it was Grandmama Larry Johnson! Pippen is the greatest role player ever!!! He is Robin to Jordan being Batman. Pippen made the triangle offense tick! not Jordan,Jordan was mainly either the primary scorer or the primary decoy! And Pat Riley should have been the coah instead of chuck dalyR.I.P.
@1trackswanson In 1992, Grandma was already in the League, not in college. But Shaq and Zo were still in College, and you coulda chosen either one of those two over Laettner. Then again, Laettner won everything at Duke.
@mariofour ok larry johnson was a rookie in 92 but so what, he was way better than laettner, and Coach K at duke got the respect calls everynight just like jordan did and kobe does. Cry and get the calls you want, so it aint like laettner single handedly carried that school. Remember todd day or lee mayberry? they lost to laettner in the final four but they were better and pick anybody from the fab five in michigan! Any why is he and grant hill still in the league?
@1trackswanson It's stupid when a moron says MJ cried for calls. I didn't see that when the classless pistons or knicks used intimidation instead of real defense. And this coming from someone who never played in an nba game. STFU you don't know what your talking about. Stick to the wnba it seems more your speed.
@rob23molina How often did you watch bulls games? I watched jordan from day one and when he beat magic,the jordan red carpet rolled out! Every timeout when the games would go to commercial do you remember the one player the cameras always showed talking to the refs? Every loose ball when a call wasnt made and he missed a shot going to the rim and or a chance for a three point play? who was fussing about it jogging down court? huh Mrs. Smarty Pantys? Jordan you dumbfuck. you hush young guy!
@rob23molina Now for the record im not saying MJ had to cry for calls, all im saying is he did cry for calls! Coach K started doing it when Duke started their final four run back in the late 80's.Kobe does it too! Always bitching about no calls and talking to the ref one on one. The pistons were first and foremost a run and gun high octane scoring team that used intimidation as a way to mentally throw off who they played. The defense created the offense.you probably watched seattle back then.
@1trackswanson I am not against intimidation but not when it is used instead of real defense & when it may hurt someone just because the pistons couldn't man up they used these tactics. MJ didn't cry he stated the obvious BUT let's not forget he kept coming back & NEVER backed down. Then he kicked their asses & showed the world what cowards they were. They even walked off the court like classless bitches. And no moron i never watched seattle. What a stupid assumption.
@1trackswanson Barkley never did shit? GTF out of here..seriously. He should've been the MVP in '91, he was the MVP in '93, and if you look at his production by any number, at that time he was the second best player in the NBA. He was also the best player in the Olympic Games.
And giving Pippen credit for the Bulls..please. You trade Pippen with Drexler the first season he gets in the league and Bulls win just as many titles. Pip didn't do jack in Houston or Portland when he had the chance.
@75samuel75 UH... YES I'M SERIOUS DO THE RESEARCH,AND WHAT YEAR DID HE WIN A NBA CHAMPIONSHIP? hOW FAR DID AUBURN GO WHEN HE WAS THERE IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENTS? WHAT RECORDS DID HE BREAK? BARKLEY TALKED SHIT AND THATS ABOUT IT. PIPPEN WAS ONE OF THE KEY FIGURES IN MAKING THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE WORK(6-TITLES) AND THE PIPPEN DREXLER COMMENT YOU MADE DIDNT MAKE ANY SENSE AND PIPPEN WAS JUST DOING WHAT VETERANS DO WHEN HE WAS WITH HOUSTON AND PORTLAND,ROLE PLAYER PROVIDING VETERAN LEADERSHIP.
Pippen was hilarious here. And guess what, who needs Thomas? They were going to win by 50 points a contest anyways. They had Magic, they had Stockton, and Hell, Pippen could have played pg too! Thomas is a punk.
@upabittoolate STOP JUST STOP IT! you don't even really believe what you just uttered. jordan was gonna be great regardless, just look at his highlight reel before pippen arrived. this is not to say that pippen was not important to helping him win championships, but if it weren't scottie, it would have been someone filling that role. jordan made pippen, not the other way around. ***Do not Reply***
@MrScottydabody It really is that simple. Mike didn't do shit without Scottie. You can't even find a clip of Karl doing anything without Stockton passing him the ball. Look. You don't understand the game or its history. I get that. But don't bring that shit to me; I lived in that era.
@upabittoolate yes, i can see that you like pippen, and pippen under the tuteledge of MJ grew into someone he nevered would have dreamed of becoming. i think u mean well, but please don't fall into the trap of equating stockton and malone combined or separated to MJ. i am sure that some part of you would agree that you don't mention those guys in the same sentence as MJ to fit what ever point you are struggling to get across. jordan was unbelievable, he is the real life fairytale for men.
@MrScottydabody Dude, Scottie was the 5th pick in 1 of the deepst drafts in NBA history. He was already destined for greatness. Learn some basketball.
@upabittoolate yes, i am very much aware that scottie dippen pippen was selected in the top 7! but the issue is not about how many people go high, but how many players actually succede and deliver beyond those high draft pick expectations. pippen over achieved and although it may not sound like it to you, he is one of my favorite players and to me his regular season was better than "The Dreams" in 1994 and he should have gotten the MVP AND he was the best all around player that year!
@upabittoolate yes, i am very much aware that scottie dippen pippen was selected in the top 7! but the issue is not about how many people go high, but how many players actually succede and deliver beyond those high draft pick expectations. pippen over achieved and although it may not sound like it to you, he is one of my favorite players and to me his regular season was better than "The Dreams" in 1994 and he should have gotten the MVP AND he was the best all around player that year!
@upabittoolate yes, i am very much aware that scottie dippen pippen was selected in the top 7! but the issue is not about how many people go high, but how many players actually succede and deliver beyond those high draft pick expectations. pippen over achieved and although it may not sound like it to you, he is one of my favorite players and to me his regular season was better than "The Dreams" in 1994 and he should have gotten the MVP AND he was the best all around player that year!
@joekiddlouischama I'm not exactly a Zeke fan but I must challenge your comment. Name 2 or 3 better point guards aside from Stockton & Magic. Lemme guess, KJ? Perhaps. Hardaway. Sure, he had better numbers. Mark Price? Fuck no. Zeke was a top 3 point guard then. He was just an asshole. That's why he didn't get picked. Why do I say that? Because they made it a point to put Zeke on Dream Team II.
@joekiddlouischama I'm not exactly a Zeke fan but I must challenge your comment. Name 2 or 3 better point guards aside from Stockton & Magic. Lemme guess, KJ? Perhaps. Hardaway. Sure, he had better numbers. Mark Price? Fuck no. Zeke was a top 3 point guard then. He was just an asshole. That's why he didn't get picked. Why do I say that? Because they made it a point to put Zeke on Dream Team II.
@joekiddlouischama Name 3 better point guards. Price? KJ? Hardaway? You can probably make a case for those guys. The numbers will be on your side in the cases of KJ & Hardaway. But otherwise you're incorrect. But here's a question for you: why were they in such a hurry to put Thomas on Dream Team II if there 3, better point guards in your estimation?
@upabittoolate Magic Johnson (still active at the time of the original selections), Stockton, K.J., and maybe Hardaway. Perhaps you're referring to the second round of selections in the spring of '92, when they opted for Drexler and Laettner, but I'm referring to the overall league.
@joekiddlouischama "Thomas wasn't a top-three NBA point guard by that time, maybe not top-four." That's your comment. I'm asking about the POINT GUARDS you mentioned yourself. You can make a case for Hardaway & KJ number-wise but the game ain't played by numbers. That said, who played at Thomas's position but was better at the time the Dream Team was selected? Riddle me that.
@joekiddlouischama Hardaway wasn't even a pro at that time! Granite, Laetner was a horrible pick. Also, don't diss Drexler, he was the second best 2guard in the league in 1992. K.J. wasn't good enough. Magic and Stockton is fine. If you need anybody else to run the point, Pippen can do it!
@thewolfmanchu Tim Hardaway, bud, not Anfernee Hardaway. What do you mean "K.J. wasn't good enough"? He'd just come off three straight seasons where he'd averaged over 20.0 points and 10.0 assists, shooting over .500 in two of those years and .499 in the other. He'd joined Magic as the only players to ever average 20.0/10.0/.500 in a season, he led the Suns past Magic's Lakers in the '90 playoffs, and in '91, he became the first player to average 20.0/10.0/.500 plus 2.0 steals in a season.
@thewolfmanchu In the spring of 1991, just a few months before the original ten Dream Team selections, K.J. actually made the All-NBA Second Team (for the third straight year) while Stockton made the Third Team. K.J. was at least as good as Stockton, possibly better, and good enough to challenge and sometimes surpass Magic, statistically and on the court (1990 playoffs).
Who's dissing Drexler? He deserved it, but if you go with K.J. over Laettner, you have more speed and a complete team.
@thewolfmanchu K.J. passed on Stockton's level. No one posted superior assists averages to Stockton, but like Stockton, K.J. is one of five players in NBA history to average at least 12.0 assists in a season.
But you're right, it wasn't going to make much of a difference either way.
@thewolfmanchu K.J. is one of only five players to average at least 12.0 assists in a season and one of only seven to average at least 11.0 assists in multiple seasons.
@joekiddlouischama Kevin Johnson is like Steve Nash. Flashy numbers but no rings. I like Kevin as a player, but he had no chance of being on that team with Magic and Stockton in place. Like I said earlier, Pippen could have played point if you needed him to play it. Jordan could have played point. It didn't matter as they beat their opponents by 45 points a game.
@thewolfmanchu Of course it didn't matter, but if the goal was to showcase the best of American basketball talent, K.J. would have given the Dream Team an element of pure speed that Magic and Stockton couldn't quite provide.
By the way, the last time that I checked, Stockton failed to win any rings, either, and K.J. led the Suns past both Stockton's 55-win Jazz and Magic's 63-win Lakers in the 1990 playoffs.
@thewolfmanchu In fact, in K.J.'s first seven full seasons in Phoenix (1989-1995), the Suns won the most regular season games in the NBA (394, an average of 56.3, at least 53 every year, and the only franchise to win at least 50 in each of those years) and the second-most playoff games (46, trailing only Chicago) during that time. So he definitely constituted a winner.
@thewolfmanchu At the time of the Dream Team selections, K.J. had already played in two Western Conference Finals (1989, 1990) compared to none for Stockton. Now, there was nothing wrong with selecting Stockton, but a third point guard would have made sense. Indeed, K.J. was a much better "point guard" than Pippen and Jordan's best role was as a scorer.
@ABladeInTheDark Deserved? Well, on the basis of overall skills certainly not. On the basis of being a good team fit, perhaps (they already had plenty of scorers). On the basis on not having pissed off & made enemies with the rest of the top players? Check! Its easy to forget how much politics there was in the selection of the team; nowadays its a major effort just to put an olympic team together.
Pippen My Man but he's Fucking H8 there is no way Zak should have been left off that team we all know damn well John Stocken was not better then him but if they didnt fuck with him thats different and Clyde keep it Authentic
Isiah was jealous of Mike (all star game freeze out) He acts like a Bitch (1991 ECF game 4) and he was friends with Magic before he was going behind his back talking shit. (Disloyal) But he deserves to be on the Dream Team just off his talent. He burned his own bridges.
Wait a freakin second........Scottie Pippen is telling us there was no room for Isiah Thomas??? The 2 Time NBA Champion? The guy that has a winning record against Bird, Jordan, and Magic in the Playoffs? The greatest scoring point guard of the 80's..........and you're telling us there was no room?? Thats bullshit and Pippen knows it. If Pippen was honest(which hes not)....the reason Thomas was left off was for personal feelings towards him....certainly not cuz he wasnt good enough
@williwo Thats part of the reason. Take a look at videos where Isiah slaps and hits players, walks out on games, doesnt congratulate the opponent, fact is he was a pisspoor sportsman, and that is not suited to the olympic spirit, not someone you want representing your nation.
@oldmanwithers1 But thats hypocritical because a lot of players have been guilty of that kind of behavior..including the likes of Jordan, Magic, Bird, LeBron, Kobe, etc..to say its just Thomas is absurd. You heard Drexler say it...he had NO problem with Thomas. It was only a select few (Jordan, Bird, Magic, Pippen) who didn't like him. And you have to wonder whats the REAL reason? Is it because he was a jerk?....or is it because he was busting their ass in the late 80's and making them look bad?
@oldmanwithers1 Also...lets be honest. Charles Barkley was as rotten of a player as they came. A dirty player, a trash talker, an instigator....yet Jordan has no problem with him. Yet its Thomas, the ONLY guy who eliminated Jordan for 3 straight years. Who humiliated the untouchable MJ....that Jordan has a problem with. Thomas was also the guy who kept Bird from returning to the Finals....and the only person to beat Magic 2 years in a row(Everyone knows Pistons should have won in 88)
@williwo I don't think Barkley was seen as a dirty player. People knew who he was and laughed at him more than anything else for the dumb things he said. I saw him try to fight Gheorghe Muresan once (remember him?) and I saw his lips say, "You don't fuck with me, motherfucker." Muresan just shrugged it off.
Reggie Miller and Kenny Smith made fun of him for saying, "I'm the baddest man on the planet" and laughed to his face at him getting ran over by Shawn Bradley.
@williwo if you've never played in playoff games against them, lol... I guess you really won't understand then. Scottie Pippen wouldn't dislike someone unless for a good reason. Don't just look at what you see on paper...
@williwo barkley was not dirty fool. Love how MJ made those cowards walk off the court with their tails between the asses. A perfect ending to a team that lacked class.
@rob23molina "Charles Barkley was not dirty"...Haha, Good one. Lemme guess, you dont think Karl Malone played dirty either do you? Gimme a break. And BTW, the Pistons beat the Bulls more than they lost to them. They had whipped MJ and the Bulls the previous 3 years in a row
@oldmanwithers1 How about all of the clips where Karl Malone hits players??? Malone was notorious for being a dirty player, and was even called out by Dominique Wilkins for it
@williwo yeah agree with Malone, he was way dirty, but it also came down to what the team needed? I mean, the Dream Team already had Magic and Stockton, Isiah wasnt as good as those two so there was no need for him? While Malone was arguably the best PF in the game (Barkley first).
@oldmanwithers1 Isiah wasnt as GOOD?? Are you Kidding me? He was the highest scoring point guard of the decade, and a much bigger Superstar than John Stockton, and a 2 time Champion. Sorry, but thats a failed Argument. You heard Clyde say it. He SHOULD have been on the team. It was nothing but Politics
@williwo at that point Stockton and Magic were better, yes during the 80's Isiah was better than Stockton (not Magic). But I do think the major reason was his attitude, it just didn't fit the olympic spirit and to be honest, as good of a player as he was, I wouldn't want him representing my country.
@oldmanwithers1 Well Isiah was better at certain things than Magic....he was certainly a better shooter. And I disagree, there were some players thate technically were probly better than Larry Bird by 92(in overall play I mean, he always had the best Game IQ).....but that wasnt gonna stop him from being on the team. Once again, I bring up Karl Malone and Charles Barkley, who were very nasty players. That debunks your argument. they didnt like Isiah because of his winning ways over them
@williwo Bird had 1 of the best basketball IQs. There r lots of players just as smart if not smarter who can beat teams n a lot of different ways than Bird like Magic, Jordan, Isiah... What actually happened w/Isiah was he was an extremely bad sport when he lost. When the Bulls swept them he said n the post game that he hopes the lakers beat them nstead of congradulating them on a good gm. He showed a lot of hostility toward Bird & Magic & made 95% of the NBA his enemy & made himself an outcast.
@c2g1980 No Bird had the BEST IQ. He was the smartest player to ever play the game, and the greatest shooter as well. Isiah, Magic, and Jordan all had great IQ's...but Bird had the best. Thats WHY he was able to compete on their level.....because obviously, he didnt have the athleticism of players like Jordan and Magic. but he had the ability to often read plays before they happened....like no other player in the league.
@williwo How do u figure Bird was more athletic than Magic? There athletism was bout the same honestly. Magic was better & flashier but not more athletic. Where do u guys come up with this Bird's the smartest stuff? He's no smarter than Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Isiah etc... As a matter of fact his best season, DET held em to 10ppg & 35% shooting n the ECF & Bird admitted he just couldn't figure out y. Well, the nxt series Magic figured it out & beat it & latr MJ destroyed the same strategy.
@williwo & I don't know if u've ever heard of a guy that was a player/coach & defeated 1 of the most talented teams in basketball history with 90% strategy. His name's Bill & when u talk about basketball IQ's if he's not #1 then something's seriously wrong with ur list. Bird's weakness was when defenders stayed physical with him he had no plan b. That's how Worthy, Mahorn & Rodman were able to shut down his scoring & make him 1 dimensional. Russell countered strategies better than any1.
@c2g1980 You're referring to Bill Russell I suppose....who played in a DIFFERENT ERA. Yes, he had a very good IQ.....but better than Bird? You'd have to be insane to think that. Secondly...NOBODY made Larry Bird 1 Dimensional. Worthy? Are you kidding? Bird almost always got the better of him. Bird was the game's ultimate strategist. He was legendary for his abilites to read plays before they happened. "Larry Bird was so good....its frightening." -Magic Johnson
@williwo No I'm not kidding, Russell was a better strategist & defender & better off the ball than Bird. The 84 Lakers better than Wilt, West & Baylor? Idk because there's no way to accurately compare any of these debates when saying this era's better than that era. & Worthy shut Bird down more than Bird got the best of him. That's the main reason they lost 2 against the Lakers. Chuck used the same strategy against Bird & held em to 10pts on 35% shooting & made Bird a turnover machine CONTD
@c2g1980 Also lets be honest. The Laker team that Bird defeated in 7 games in 84 was superior to the team Russell beat in 7 games in 69. I'll agree, Russell was the best strategist of his era. But that was his era though. I dont think anyone would disagree that Bird played in a tougher era than Russell. Russell would not have won 11 titles in Bird's era. Sorry, but it wouldnt have happened. I could see him winning 2 or so, but not 11. and I'm a big Russell fan BTW.
@williwo CONTD I'm being as honest as possible, whether Russell could win 11 titles in the 70s to or 80s to 90s is impossible to determine. MJ won 6 of 6 & easily could've been 8 of 8 had he not retired. Magic won 5 of 8 & that could've easily been 6 or 7 so its not that far fetched. Bird won 3 of 5 & was shut down several xs n the finals & the ECFs. I know because I saw em. 1on1 defenses shut him down w/no double teams forcing him to b a distributor only. McHale was their only offense at times
@williwo Of course he wouldn't have won 11... They're were more teams so the talent in the league was more spread out, leaving room for more contenders, not just two or three stacked teams
Isaiah was Chicagos favored son, he is from the westside a very very dangerous place.Then they turned on him when Jordan came.Jordan a great player.Jordan also spewed alot of venom about the city of detroit on the local news which most ppl dont know about mainstream.You must understand why ZEKE didnt care about the bullshit, ZEKE is the best.No one can take away his skills or his class,he was always being tested for obvious reasons.
Clyde Drexler hit the nail on the head in his point, Scottie is a moron...Outside of Jordan, Bird, and Magic, nobody deserved to be on the team more than Isiah. John Stockton??? Give me a break.
@davidbehman Yes John Stockton...are you kidding? He was a pass 1st point guard, who came with no baggage like Isiah would have. He's just what you need with a team who had this much fire power around him. Not taking anything away from Isiah, he was a great player, but he burned his bridges. I'm sure there's a lot more to the story than what's out there.
Isiah was a great player and I wish he could have been on the Dream Team. But he did stir up trouble, burned bridges and said things that rubbed guys the wrong way. He had a falling out with Magic, MJ, Pippen and Bird. Having him on the team would have been bad chemistry. It worked out for the best. I recall after Detroit losing the 1987 East finals to Boston, Thomas said, "If Bird was black, he'd be just another good guy." Stuff like that doesn't win friends.
@siristv Isiah was being a real captain and having the back of Dennis Rodman who made the original statement. Isiah shielded Dennis from the media shitstorm and took it himself because he knew Dennis had emotional hangups (obviously).
@raven062000 there is no justification, Isiah was the best point guard in the league, won 2 recent championships, the heart of a champion, the best small player this league has ever seen.......it was a crime he didn't get to play for the dream team....
MJ determined to drop Isaih off the team and the others hadn't anything to say. That's because the Pistons beat the Bulls for three times in a row (88-89-90). As a matter of fact, each of the team's leaders hated the Bad Boys. Bird and Magic hated the BBs because they marked the end of the Celtics and Lakers' winning course during the eighties. Isaih Thomas and Dennis Rodman deserved to take part in the 1992 Dream Team with coach Daly.
scottie pippen is full of shit! scottie pippen was not a top 50 player. isahi thomas won 2 titles at the time of the dream team, john stockton won ZERO!!!
@dh03grad i think it had to do with the pistons attitude. when it was time for Boston to pass the torch to the pistons bird and Mchale where very gracious about it, but when it came time for the pistons to pass it to the bulls, Isaiah and the others really didn't want to do it, and that rubbed a lot of the Bulls the wrong way. There was issues with a lot of the pistons players being "professionals"
@ls6cobra Surely it had to do with the Pistons attitude! The Pistons team was utterly shaken by that 1991 ECF's defeat by the Bulls because they felt to have great strength more and they were really aware of taking the series long, whereas the Celtics were aware of their own wane when it was time to pass the torch. Moreover, I think it had also to do with the heated citizens' sports rivalry between Motown and Chi, which was perfectly moved into the basketball arenas during those years.
@lorenzettomuran@bio2020 Thats BS, Boston walked off the court when the Pistons beat them as well with only Kevin McHale staying behind to tell them to beat LA in the Finals.
@dh03grad because everyone knows that it is a competitive sport especially at that level. But when it comes to just be an asshole to other players and no professionalism that when I guess it crosses the line.
@dh03grad When MJ was a rookie, Isiah Thomas was hating on him. He was jealous that MJ got so much attention from the fans and media. During MJ's first all-star game, MJ accused Isiah Thomas of telling the veterans to avoid passing to Jordan.
Then add on the Piston Bad Boys teams, where they would PHYSICALLY beat down Jordan.... remember, no such thing as a Flagrant foul back then. Then add in the fact that Isiah walked off the court and didn't even congratulate the Bulls when they finally win
Scotty is whack a hell, lets take his carrer apart with a fine tooth comb minus MJ and see what you come up with. Scotty is a hell of a ball player but overall his resume IS NOT in Isiah Thomas league. His NBA career is Hall material as is Zeke, but where else hashe won. Isiah is a victim of trying to help to many brothers reach their dreams, without being a yes man, of course Scotty wouldn't know anything about that! ...unless MJ told him so!
@TLEEWHITE123 No I dont think you are old enough to make a remark like that. Scotty didthings without Jordan. Jordan was a team player and most of the plays where directed to Jordan.Jordan was meant to ball hog because he was emaculant. Jordan and the bulls team usually had more then 10 points for every player that played every night. Most teams now dont even have but one player with 30 points.The coaches elect one person to be the all star.Even though you have 10 possible allstars. Jordan was 1
@TLEEWHITE123 No player was wack on the bulls team. When they had to step up then they could do that. Even Steve Kerr. When your number is called as a Bull Team member. They where ready. It was just not your cup of tea, because Scotty was not banging down 30 points a game because he was behind Jordan. You should know that. You should know that when Jordan was at 60 points Scotty was at 30 and Cartright was at 15 and BJ was at 12 and Horace was at 20. But I bet you forgot about that history.
Isiah got his revenge: During the 92 Olympics, John Stockton went down with the leg injury, Magic pulled his hamstring, and Jordan had to play point guard for most of the Olympics!!
Isiah shoulda been there instead of Chris Mullin and Shaq shoulda been there instead of Laettner if you wanted to pick the 12 greatest players available.
bulls were easy to beat up because the same man shot the ball every damn time. no lay up rule was in effect in the eighties. all of the good teams fouled mj because they did not like his style of play. all the previous great scoring guards shot the ball alot in crunch time only. they played team ball and took over in crunch time. mike shot all the time and his teammates seldom developed. only scottie because he was a point forward and great defender.
When the Bulls of Jordan and Pippen swept Detroit in the eastern conference finals 1991, at the end of game 4, the Pistons left the court without shaking hands of their opponents. That created a lot of controversy and that would be the reason of Isiah Thomas exclusion from the Dream Team
@MrSuperMario34 i totally agree. michael was and is a BITCH AND HE WAS MAINLY HE REASON WHY ZEKE DIDN'T MAKE THE TEAM. and drexler spoke the truth good for him!
@DirtyFillipino Yeah the way Isiah played and The Bad Boys played, the only "friends," they had were themselves an us against the world mentality, that's why they were so great
Why didn't you mention that every member of the "Great Celtics' team of 1988,except Kevin Mchale,walked off the floor before the game was over! Did the Celtics have any class after winning all of the Titles that they have and got all of the call that they benefitted from over the years?? Parrish beat Laimbeer down from BEHIND,with no flagrant foul or suspension! Did you say that Karl Malone had no Class,after intentionally elbowing Isaiah for 40 stitches? Jerry West got his nose broken 7 time
Why didn't you mention that every member of the "Great Celtics' team of 1988,except Kevin Mchale,walked off the floor before the game was over! Did the Celtics have any class after winning all of the Titles that they have and got all of the call that they benefitted from over the years?? Parrish beat Laimbeer down from BEHIND,with no flagrant foul or suspension! Did you say that Karl Malone had no Class,after intentionally elbowing Isaiah for 40 stitches? Jerry West got his nose broken 7 times!
Both Scottie Pippin and Michael Jordan were petty when they lobbied to keep Isiah Thomas off the olympic team. Isiah was one of the greatest clutch players theh game has ever seen. All Scottie Pippin did was ride Jordan's coatails. He was never a team leader as evidenced by his total failure in Portland. Furthermore, he and Jordan are uncle toms who always look to ingratiate themselves to white folks. At least Thomas remained true!!!!
I think everythings too anti isiah thomas. Yes ok he was jerk to guys he played against whats wrong with that? Fans wanna see real rivalrys atleast i do and he did a great job playin the mental game getting under his opponants skin that was ultimately what the badboys were about and they won two championships ina row so they must have been doing something right. Ive heard many asshole stories about pippen jordan magic and others so who really cares.
ot only did he win 2....he went THROUGH JORDAN for em. He doesnt get enough credit for that. You see he was the 1st player Mike thanked we he got inducted.
@erickliddell And something else people wont aknowledge. Isiah thomas was one of the toughest players to ever play the game specially concidering how undersized he was everyone remembers when Malone ran full force and elbowed isiah who was coming in the lane. Isiah was busted open cameout after gettin stiched up and finished that game so he could dish it out and take it at the same time.
@erickliddell And another thing lot of ppl dont relise why the Pistons walked out like that number one was their management left that team in ruins that team was no longer the same anymore and all of them knew it was the end. The bulls did not beat a badboy team that was 100 percent they more less caught them on their way out.
@ReignSupreme287 correct. no more mahorn. and aguirre, though good, ended up not being better than dantley. salley never blew up like he was supposed to. pistons just weren't as deep up front anymore.
If Drexler would've been beaten like Pippen, Jordan, Bird and Barkley were at the hands of the dirty Pistons, he wouldn't have wanted them on the team either. Lambier and Rodman were the biggest cheap shot artist to ever play the game. And Isaiah encouraged it all. The proof was when he orchestrated that cowardly walk off after they got swept by the bulls. On tape you can clearly see Chuck Daily pleading with Thomas to consider his actions. Plus his comments about Bird and Magic.. No class!
@dre4eva Drexler's Blazers were beaten by the Pistons in the 1990 NBA Finals. But I guess it was only once so it didn't really have an effect on his opinion over Isiah's inclusion.
Physically beaten. My post highlighted the cheap shots the pistons would give their common opponents. They played in the eastern conference which means they played the Bulls, Celtics and 76ers at least four times a year not including playoff series. The Blazers only played the Pistons twice a year being in the western conference, so Drexler wasn't "beaten like Jordan, Barkley,Bird or Pippen".
talentwise isiah definitely deserves to be in the team but the question is...it's either him or half of the original dream team goes. it isnt a hard decision to make actually.
michael jordan didnt want him on the team, end of story. This is what happens when you tell everybody not to pass the ball to jordan on his first all stars game.
all the players & coaches were so glad & happy that Assiah ThomAss was not on the Dream Team.
Go see the Pippen & Drexler interview. They said it LOUD & clear.
Kabaratchi 1 week ago
lets keep it real ! Isiah should have been on that team
mrsonofosiris1 3 weeks ago
@mrsonofosiris1 I completely agree
SuperRaficokings87 3 weeks ago
Olajuwon became a US citizen in 93. Clearly, he was better than Ewing & Robinson but he wasn't eligible. I'm just glad The Weasel Zeke ThomAss was excluded. He would've corrupted & polluted that original Dream Team.
BahoWetpu 1 month ago
Hakeem Olajuwon should have been on the 1992 Dream Team, those guys were his generation...he made the 1996 team but it just wasn't the same. That whole "not an American citizen" crap was just that...crap.
gothatway09 1 month ago
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Hotobu 1 month ago
isiah has always been a punk.
optimus2g 1 month ago
Karl Malone-Charles Barkley-John Stockton-Patrick Ewing were all part of the elite and one & only 92 Dream Team. The all got Olympic GOLD. The Weasel got left out for being so ugly. The Olympic committee saw that Isiah's daughter look like his rectum and quickly declared The Vermin ineligible for international competition.
BahoWetpu 1 month ago
Hey Isiah, where's your 92 Olympics Dream Team gold medal? U don't have one? They left u out? Oh, that explains why u have zero Olympic gold medal. I feel bad for ur daughter. She looks just like u. She looks like a man.
Kabaratchi 1 month ago
Hey Karl Malone-Charles Barkley-John Stockton-Patrick Ewing you all are such great players but where are your NBA championship rings ? Think Isiah Thomas has 2 of them.
loy829 1 month ago 2
i felt bad for Karl Malone's elbow for taking such as vicious hit from Isiah's eyebrow. I hope they X-rayed, iced & nurtured that elbow after it happened. Isiah's bloodied eyebrow didn't take crap from nobody. Out of respect for Zeke, the Dream Team members said they'd rather convert Laettner as a point guard than have The Weasel on the team. Assiah should've a ball Boy on that 92 team. Oops sorry, i mean a ball, towel, & water Man
Kabaratchi 1 month ago 2
dead on oldmanwithers
thomas' undoing and hate is a result of largely the media and to his discredit himself but he had no business not being on the dream team. He should have been there over stockton who was injured during the olympics
BCH19821091 2 months ago
Bottom line: If Zeke doesn't accuse Magic of being gay days after he announced he was HIV+, Chuck puts him on the team. Period.
WatchVenusSpa 2 months ago
chemistry Issue! Fuck all the players that didn't want Isiah Thomas! Specially, Pippen,Jordan, I don't know if I could named him as Isiah friend or his real name the backstepper of Magic Fucking Johnson! Backstepper!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
RafaMz79 2 months ago
It's not about the way he played, but the way he carried himself as a professional. Barkley and Malone were both dirty players, but they also represented themselves respectfully and accepted their losses when they took them, congratulating the victors and moving on. Isiah Thomas would throw it in your face and let you know loud & clear when he beat you, and duck like a bitch without a word when you beat him. There's no class, no dignity, no respect to be gained like that.
IceTrey310 2 months ago
@IceTrey310 Wait a second...what about Muhammad Ali?? That guy was the most pathetic example of Sportsmanship that ever walked the face of the Earth. He cried like a sore loser after he lost fights....threw around Racial slurs against his opponents, and personally assaulted their character. Yet hes treated like a King, and was shockingly declared the "Greatest Sportsman" in some outrageous list. Barkley represented himself respectfully? What? Are we talking about the guy who spits on fans?
williwo 2 months ago
@IceTrey310 And Malone? Are we talking about the guy who said that if Magic kept playing that he would quit the NBA? Are we talking about the guy whom Dominique Wilkins called out for his intentional violent play? Even going so far as to say that Malone "wasnt a man." Nice try...but pointing all of the fingers at Isiah isnt going to fly. He remains the ONLY person who was a thorn in the side of Jordan, Bird, and Magic. Thats why he didnt get on. Like Drexler said, he SHOULD have been on the team
williwo 2 months ago
@williwo,agree 100%!Straight politics against Zeke..and it was funny as hell,the next season he lit Stocton ass up so bad dirty ass Malone elbowed him in the head...
29larron 2 months ago
Scottie's just bitter that Detroit was one of only two teams that wasn't willing to just kiss Jordan's behind (Early 90s Knicks being the other). Basketball died during Jordan's second three peat run because everyone stood back and watched Jordan run over them time after time. No one was willing to stand up to him but Detroit in the late 80s.
Isiah beat Bird, Jordan, Magic all in one playoff run (and beat Ewing, Jordan and Drexler the next year). Pippen's just butthurt.
VancouverChokers 2 months ago
@VancouverChokers And MJ ended the classless bad girls.
rob23molina 2 months ago
oldmanwithers... Isiah got absolutely punked in 91 by Jordan. The Bulls effectively ended the whole Badboys era right there.
slaynfellowdamessiah 2 months ago 2
@slaynfellowdamessiah Yep, after Jordan had been punked by Isiah for YEARS
williwo 2 months ago
@williwo MJ is the greatest!
Domini478 3 weeks ago
Those who are late do not get fruit cup.........
BlackDynamiteNYC 2 months ago
scottie hit the home run with that on isiah...run your team like a hood, then rot in the woods.
aykp7823 2 months ago
Sam Bowie should have been on the Dream Team
TheHofemeister 2 months ago
Why add Christain Laettner? Should've been Thomas or a young Shaq
Dogfacesoulja8582 2 months ago
wow, to be honest i liked there answers they were honest and actually didnt try to be to diplomatic. Scottie at first tried to play the middle ground then clyde opened up a little bit then scottie said ok fine lets spill it. Alot of respect for that because you know people in the basketball communtiy were gonna knock these guys for bringing up old demons.
Kdaddy61987 3 months ago
isiah was the greatest small guy ever to play in the NBA.
robertk2007 3 months ago
@robertk2007 I can't stand that classless coward but he was awesome at this game.
rob23molina 2 months ago
Clyde is right i dont care what anyone says here.
thatsit07 3 months ago
all the salty egos and champions mixed in the same pot and its gonna boil down to how is cool and who isnt! Thomas wasnt cool! his teammates were thugs in booty shorts. They were cool! they fought literally in every arena in the NBA of course no one wants a troublemaker,especially the ring leader, to be on thier team!DUH! look at thomas' body of work since he stopped playing... CBA-FOLDED New York Knicks president-SHITTY.
He's a batch of sour grapes in a basket and the dream team werent biting
1trackswanson 3 months ago
Ok OK here it is Barkley and Christian Laettner should not have been on the team! Thomas deserved it! Barkley never did shit! and christian wasnt even the best player in college basketball at that time, it was Grandmama Larry Johnson! Pippen is the greatest role player ever!!! He is Robin to Jordan being Batman. Pippen made the triangle offense tick! not Jordan,Jordan was mainly either the primary scorer or the primary decoy! And Pat Riley should have been the coah instead of chuck dalyR.I.P.
1trackswanson 3 months ago
@1trackswanson In 1992, Grandma was already in the League, not in college. But Shaq and Zo were still in College, and you coulda chosen either one of those two over Laettner. Then again, Laettner won everything at Duke.
mariofour 3 months ago
@mariofour ok larry johnson was a rookie in 92 but so what, he was way better than laettner, and Coach K at duke got the respect calls everynight just like jordan did and kobe does. Cry and get the calls you want, so it aint like laettner single handedly carried that school. Remember todd day or lee mayberry? they lost to laettner in the final four but they were better and pick anybody from the fab five in michigan! Any why is he and grant hill still in the league?
1trackswanson 3 months ago
@1trackswanson It's stupid when a moron says MJ cried for calls. I didn't see that when the classless pistons or knicks used intimidation instead of real defense. And this coming from someone who never played in an nba game. STFU you don't know what your talking about. Stick to the wnba it seems more your speed.
rob23molina 2 months ago
@rob23molina How often did you watch bulls games? I watched jordan from day one and when he beat magic,the jordan red carpet rolled out! Every timeout when the games would go to commercial do you remember the one player the cameras always showed talking to the refs? Every loose ball when a call wasnt made and he missed a shot going to the rim and or a chance for a three point play? who was fussing about it jogging down court? huh Mrs. Smarty Pantys? Jordan you dumbfuck. you hush young guy!
1trackswanson 2 months ago
@1trackswanson NO it is just another lame ass excuse by some another dumb ass who can't except that his team was bitch slapped by MJ. Get over it!
rob23molina 2 months ago
@rob23molina Now for the record im not saying MJ had to cry for calls, all im saying is he did cry for calls! Coach K started doing it when Duke started their final four run back in the late 80's.Kobe does it too! Always bitching about no calls and talking to the ref one on one. The pistons were first and foremost a run and gun high octane scoring team that used intimidation as a way to mentally throw off who they played. The defense created the offense.you probably watched seattle back then.
1trackswanson 2 months ago
@1trackswanson I am not against intimidation but not when it is used instead of real defense & when it may hurt someone just because the pistons couldn't man up they used these tactics. MJ didn't cry he stated the obvious BUT let's not forget he kept coming back & NEVER backed down. Then he kicked their asses & showed the world what cowards they were. They even walked off the court like classless bitches. And no moron i never watched seattle. What a stupid assumption.
rob23molina 2 months ago
@1trackswanson Barkley never did shit? GTF out of here..seriously. He should've been the MVP in '91, he was the MVP in '93, and if you look at his production by any number, at that time he was the second best player in the NBA. He was also the best player in the Olympic Games.
And giving Pippen credit for the Bulls..please. You trade Pippen with Drexler the first season he gets in the league and Bulls win just as many titles. Pip didn't do jack in Houston or Portland when he had the chance.
75samuel75 3 months ago
@75samuel75 UH... YES I'M SERIOUS DO THE RESEARCH,AND WHAT YEAR DID HE WIN A NBA CHAMPIONSHIP? hOW FAR DID AUBURN GO WHEN HE WAS THERE IN THE NCAA TOURNAMENTS? WHAT RECORDS DID HE BREAK? BARKLEY TALKED SHIT AND THATS ABOUT IT. PIPPEN WAS ONE OF THE KEY FIGURES IN MAKING THE TRIANGLE OFFENSE WORK(6-TITLES) AND THE PIPPEN DREXLER COMMENT YOU MADE DIDNT MAKE ANY SENSE AND PIPPEN WAS JUST DOING WHAT VETERANS DO WHEN HE WAS WITH HOUSTON AND PORTLAND,ROLE PLAYER PROVIDING VETERAN LEADERSHIP.
1trackswanson 3 months ago
Pippen was hilarious here. And guess what, who needs Thomas? They were going to win by 50 points a contest anyways. They had Magic, they had Stockton, and Hell, Pippen could have played pg too! Thomas is a punk.
thewolfmanchu 4 months ago
And then MJ injured Stockton "literally" in Barcelona and didnt play for the last 5 or 6 games of the tournament.......................KARMA BABY!
bertotaker 4 months ago
Isiah was ripped off! The Dream Team was suppose to be the best players of that era, not token Christain Lattner.
da1cvkid 4 months ago
No room for him, my ass. Stockton, in no way deserved to be there ahead of Isiah.
ABladeInTheDark 4 months ago
@ABladeInTheDark Nonsense. You couldn't have Jordan without Pippen. You can't have Malone without Stockton. It's that simple.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@upabittoolate STOP JUST STOP IT! you don't even really believe what you just uttered. jordan was gonna be great regardless, just look at his highlight reel before pippen arrived. this is not to say that pippen was not important to helping him win championships, but if it weren't scottie, it would have been someone filling that role. jordan made pippen, not the other way around. ***Do not Reply***
MrScottydabody 4 months ago
@MrScottydabody It really is that simple. Mike didn't do shit without Scottie. You can't even find a clip of Karl doing anything without Stockton passing him the ball. Look. You don't understand the game or its history. I get that. But don't bring that shit to me; I lived in that era.
Shut the fuck up.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@upabittoolate yes, i can see that you like pippen, and pippen under the tuteledge of MJ grew into someone he nevered would have dreamed of becoming. i think u mean well, but please don't fall into the trap of equating stockton and malone combined or separated to MJ. i am sure that some part of you would agree that you don't mention those guys in the same sentence as MJ to fit what ever point you are struggling to get across. jordan was unbelievable, he is the real life fairytale for men.
MrScottydabody 4 months ago
@MrScottydabody Dude, Scottie was the 5th pick in 1 of the deepst drafts in NBA history. He was already destined for greatness. Learn some basketball.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@upabittoolate yes, i am very much aware that scottie dippen pippen was selected in the top 7! but the issue is not about how many people go high, but how many players actually succede and deliver beyond those high draft pick expectations. pippen over achieved and although it may not sound like it to you, he is one of my favorite players and to me his regular season was better than "The Dreams" in 1994 and he should have gotten the MVP AND he was the best all around player that year!
MrScottydabody 4 months ago
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@upabittoolate yes, i am very much aware that scottie dippen pippen was selected in the top 7! but the issue is not about how many people go high, but how many players actually succede and deliver beyond those high draft pick expectations. pippen over achieved and although it may not sound like it to you, he is one of my favorite players and to me his regular season was better than "The Dreams" in 1994 and he should have gotten the MVP AND he was the best all around player that year!
MrScottydabody 4 months ago
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@upabittoolate yes, i am very much aware that scottie dippen pippen was selected in the top 7! but the issue is not about how many people go high, but how many players actually succede and deliver beyond those high draft pick expectations. pippen over achieved and although it may not sound like it to you, he is one of my favorite players and to me his regular season was better than "The Dreams" in 1994 and he should have gotten the MVP AND he was the best all around player that year!
MrScottydabody 4 months ago
@ABladeInTheDark Thomas wasn't a top-three NBA point guard by that time, maybe not top-four.
joekiddlouischama 4 months ago
@joekiddlouischama I'm not exactly a Zeke fan but I must challenge your comment. Name 2 or 3 better point guards aside from Stockton & Magic. Lemme guess, KJ? Perhaps. Hardaway. Sure, he had better numbers. Mark Price? Fuck no. Zeke was a top 3 point guard then. He was just an asshole. That's why he didn't get picked. Why do I say that? Because they made it a point to put Zeke on Dream Team II.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@joekiddlouischama I'm not exactly a Zeke fan but I must challenge your comment. Name 2 or 3 better point guards aside from Stockton & Magic. Lemme guess, KJ? Perhaps. Hardaway. Sure, he had better numbers. Mark Price? Fuck no. Zeke was a top 3 point guard then. He was just an asshole. That's why he didn't get picked. Why do I say that? Because they made it a point to put Zeke on Dream Team II.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@joekiddlouischama Name 3 better point guards. Price? KJ? Hardaway? You can probably make a case for those guys. The numbers will be on your side in the cases of KJ & Hardaway. But otherwise you're incorrect. But here's a question for you: why were they in such a hurry to put Thomas on Dream Team II if there 3, better point guards in your estimation?
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@upabittoolate Magic Johnson (still active at the time of the original selections), Stockton, K.J., and maybe Hardaway. Perhaps you're referring to the second round of selections in the spring of '92, when they opted for Drexler and Laettner, but I'm referring to the overall league.
joekiddlouischama 4 months ago
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@joekiddlouischama "Thomas wasn't a top-three NBA point guard by that time, maybe not top-four." That's your comment. I'm asking about the POINT GUARDS you mentioned yourself. You can make a case for Hardaway & KJ number-wise but the game ain't played by numbers. That said, who played at Thomas's position but was better at the time the Dream Team was selected? Riddle me that.
upabittoolate 4 months ago
@joekiddlouischama Hardaway wasn't even a pro at that time! Granite, Laetner was a horrible pick. Also, don't diss Drexler, he was the second best 2guard in the league in 1992. K.J. wasn't good enough. Magic and Stockton is fine. If you need anybody else to run the point, Pippen can do it!
thewolfmanchu 3 months ago
@thewolfmanchu Tim Hardaway, bud, not Anfernee Hardaway. What do you mean "K.J. wasn't good enough"? He'd just come off three straight seasons where he'd averaged over 20.0 points and 10.0 assists, shooting over .500 in two of those years and .499 in the other. He'd joined Magic as the only players to ever average 20.0/10.0/.500 in a season, he led the Suns past Magic's Lakers in the '90 playoffs, and in '91, he became the first player to average 20.0/10.0/.500 plus 2.0 steals in a season.
joekiddlouischama 3 months ago
@thewolfmanchu In the spring of 1991, just a few months before the original ten Dream Team selections, K.J. actually made the All-NBA Second Team (for the third straight year) while Stockton made the Third Team. K.J. was at least as good as Stockton, possibly better, and good enough to challenge and sometimes surpass Magic, statistically and on the court (1990 playoffs).
Who's dissing Drexler? He deserved it, but if you go with K.J. over Laettner, you have more speed and a complete team.
joekiddlouischama 3 months ago
@joekiddlouischama stockton is a better passer than K.J. In the end, it really didn't matter because that team was going to kick ass regardless!
thewolfmanchu 3 months ago
@thewolfmanchu K.J. passed on Stockton's level. No one posted superior assists averages to Stockton, but like Stockton, K.J. is one of five players in NBA history to average at least 12.0 assists in a season.
But you're right, it wasn't going to make much of a difference either way.
joekiddlouischama 3 months ago
@thewolfmanchu K.J. is one of only five players to average at least 12.0 assists in a season and one of only seven to average at least 11.0 assists in multiple seasons.
joekiddlouischama 2 weeks ago
@joekiddlouischama Kevin Johnson is like Steve Nash. Flashy numbers but no rings. I like Kevin as a player, but he had no chance of being on that team with Magic and Stockton in place. Like I said earlier, Pippen could have played point if you needed him to play it. Jordan could have played point. It didn't matter as they beat their opponents by 45 points a game.
thewolfmanchu 2 days ago
@thewolfmanchu Of course it didn't matter, but if the goal was to showcase the best of American basketball talent, K.J. would have given the Dream Team an element of pure speed that Magic and Stockton couldn't quite provide.
By the way, the last time that I checked, Stockton failed to win any rings, either, and K.J. led the Suns past both Stockton's 55-win Jazz and Magic's 63-win Lakers in the 1990 playoffs.
joekiddlouischama 2 days ago
@thewolfmanchu In fact, in K.J.'s first seven full seasons in Phoenix (1989-1995), the Suns won the most regular season games in the NBA (394, an average of 56.3, at least 53 every year, and the only franchise to win at least 50 in each of those years) and the second-most playoff games (46, trailing only Chicago) during that time. So he definitely constituted a winner.
joekiddlouischama 2 days ago
@thewolfmanchu At the time of the Dream Team selections, K.J. had already played in two Western Conference Finals (1989, 1990) compared to none for Stockton. Now, there was nothing wrong with selecting Stockton, but a third point guard would have made sense. Indeed, K.J. was a much better "point guard" than Pippen and Jordan's best role was as a scorer.
But so be it.
joekiddlouischama 2 days ago
@ABladeInTheDark Deserved? Well, on the basis of overall skills certainly not. On the basis of being a good team fit, perhaps (they already had plenty of scorers). On the basis on not having pissed off & made enemies with the rest of the top players? Check! Its easy to forget how much politics there was in the selection of the team; nowadays its a major effort just to put an olympic team together.
bdrasin 4 months ago
Pippen My Man but he's Fucking H8 there is no way Zak should have been left off that team we all know damn well John Stocken was not better then him but if they didnt fuck with him thats different and Clyde keep it Authentic
Tuga777 4 months ago
Da Pip, keepin' it real
bdrasin 4 months ago
Isiah was jealous of Mike (all star game freeze out) He acts like a Bitch (1991 ECF game 4) and he was friends with Magic before he was going behind his back talking shit. (Disloyal) But he deserves to be on the Dream Team just off his talent. He burned his own bridges.
cms7777 4 months ago
Isaiah was a very dirty player and was a really, really horrible sport when it came to losing an NBA game.
fazman52 4 months ago
Wait a freakin second........Scottie Pippen is telling us there was no room for Isiah Thomas??? The 2 Time NBA Champion? The guy that has a winning record against Bird, Jordan, and Magic in the Playoffs? The greatest scoring point guard of the 80's..........and you're telling us there was no room?? Thats bullshit and Pippen knows it. If Pippen was honest(which hes not)....the reason Thomas was left off was for personal feelings towards him....certainly not cuz he wasnt good enough
williwo 4 months ago
@williwo Thats part of the reason. Take a look at videos where Isiah slaps and hits players, walks out on games, doesnt congratulate the opponent, fact is he was a pisspoor sportsman, and that is not suited to the olympic spirit, not someone you want representing your nation.
oldmanwithers1 4 months ago
@oldmanwithers1 But thats hypocritical because a lot of players have been guilty of that kind of behavior..including the likes of Jordan, Magic, Bird, LeBron, Kobe, etc..to say its just Thomas is absurd. You heard Drexler say it...he had NO problem with Thomas. It was only a select few (Jordan, Bird, Magic, Pippen) who didn't like him. And you have to wonder whats the REAL reason? Is it because he was a jerk?....or is it because he was busting their ass in the late 80's and making them look bad?
williwo 4 months ago
@oldmanwithers1 Also...lets be honest. Charles Barkley was as rotten of a player as they came. A dirty player, a trash talker, an instigator....yet Jordan has no problem with him. Yet its Thomas, the ONLY guy who eliminated Jordan for 3 straight years. Who humiliated the untouchable MJ....that Jordan has a problem with. Thomas was also the guy who kept Bird from returning to the Finals....and the only person to beat Magic 2 years in a row(Everyone knows Pistons should have won in 88)
williwo 4 months ago 11
@williwo I don't think Barkley was seen as a dirty player. People knew who he was and laughed at him more than anything else for the dumb things he said. I saw him try to fight Gheorghe Muresan once (remember him?) and I saw his lips say, "You don't fuck with me, motherfucker." Muresan just shrugged it off.
Reggie Miller and Kenny Smith made fun of him for saying, "I'm the baddest man on the planet" and laughed to his face at him getting ran over by Shawn Bradley.
StuUngar 2 months ago
@williwo if you've never played in playoff games against them, lol... I guess you really won't understand then. Scottie Pippen wouldn't dislike someone unless for a good reason. Don't just look at what you see on paper...
MrJiyoungyu 2 months ago
@williwo barkley was not dirty fool. Love how MJ made those cowards walk off the court with their tails between the asses. A perfect ending to a team that lacked class.
rob23molina 2 months ago
@rob23molina "Charles Barkley was not dirty"...Haha, Good one. Lemme guess, you dont think Karl Malone played dirty either do you? Gimme a break. And BTW, the Pistons beat the Bulls more than they lost to them. They had whipped MJ and the Bulls the previous 3 years in a row
williwo 2 months ago
@williwo No dumb ass malone is a dirty player. Your right but MJ put those bitches to the pasture after that ass kickin.
rob23molina 2 months ago
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@williwo No dumb ass malone is a dirty player. Your right but MJ put those bitches to the pasture after that ass kickin.
rob23molina 2 months ago
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@williwo No dumb ass malone is a dirty player. Your right but MJ put those bitches to the pasture after that ass kickin.
rob23molina 2 months ago
@oldmanwithers1 How about all of the clips where Karl Malone hits players??? Malone was notorious for being a dirty player, and was even called out by Dominique Wilkins for it
williwo 2 months ago
@williwo yeah agree with Malone, he was way dirty, but it also came down to what the team needed? I mean, the Dream Team already had Magic and Stockton, Isiah wasnt as good as those two so there was no need for him? While Malone was arguably the best PF in the game (Barkley first).
oldmanwithers1 2 months ago
@oldmanwithers1 Isiah wasnt as GOOD?? Are you Kidding me? He was the highest scoring point guard of the decade, and a much bigger Superstar than John Stockton, and a 2 time Champion. Sorry, but thats a failed Argument. You heard Clyde say it. He SHOULD have been on the team. It was nothing but Politics
williwo 2 months ago
@williwo at that point Stockton and Magic were better, yes during the 80's Isiah was better than Stockton (not Magic). But I do think the major reason was his attitude, it just didn't fit the olympic spirit and to be honest, as good of a player as he was, I wouldn't want him representing my country.
oldmanwithers1 2 months ago
@oldmanwithers1 Well Isiah was better at certain things than Magic....he was certainly a better shooter. And I disagree, there were some players thate technically were probly better than Larry Bird by 92(in overall play I mean, he always had the best Game IQ).....but that wasnt gonna stop him from being on the team. Once again, I bring up Karl Malone and Charles Barkley, who were very nasty players. That debunks your argument. they didnt like Isiah because of his winning ways over them
williwo 2 months ago
@williwo Bird had 1 of the best basketball IQs. There r lots of players just as smart if not smarter who can beat teams n a lot of different ways than Bird like Magic, Jordan, Isiah... What actually happened w/Isiah was he was an extremely bad sport when he lost. When the Bulls swept them he said n the post game that he hopes the lakers beat them nstead of congradulating them on a good gm. He showed a lot of hostility toward Bird & Magic & made 95% of the NBA his enemy & made himself an outcast.
c2g1980 2 months ago
@c2g1980 No Bird had the BEST IQ. He was the smartest player to ever play the game, and the greatest shooter as well. Isiah, Magic, and Jordan all had great IQ's...but Bird had the best. Thats WHY he was able to compete on their level.....because obviously, he didnt have the athleticism of players like Jordan and Magic. but he had the ability to often read plays before they happened....like no other player in the league.
williwo 2 months ago
@williwo How do u figure Bird was more athletic than Magic? There athletism was bout the same honestly. Magic was better & flashier but not more athletic. Where do u guys come up with this Bird's the smartest stuff? He's no smarter than Magic, Jordan, Kareem, Isiah etc... As a matter of fact his best season, DET held em to 10ppg & 35% shooting n the ECF & Bird admitted he just couldn't figure out y. Well, the nxt series Magic figured it out & beat it & latr MJ destroyed the same strategy.
c2g1980 2 months ago
@williwo & I don't know if u've ever heard of a guy that was a player/coach & defeated 1 of the most talented teams in basketball history with 90% strategy. His name's Bill & when u talk about basketball IQ's if he's not #1 then something's seriously wrong with ur list. Bird's weakness was when defenders stayed physical with him he had no plan b. That's how Worthy, Mahorn & Rodman were able to shut down his scoring & make him 1 dimensional. Russell countered strategies better than any1.
c2g1980 2 months ago
@c2g1980 You're referring to Bill Russell I suppose....who played in a DIFFERENT ERA. Yes, he had a very good IQ.....but better than Bird? You'd have to be insane to think that. Secondly...NOBODY made Larry Bird 1 Dimensional. Worthy? Are you kidding? Bird almost always got the better of him. Bird was the game's ultimate strategist. He was legendary for his abilites to read plays before they happened. "Larry Bird was so good....its frightening." -Magic Johnson
williwo 1 month ago
@williwo No I'm not kidding, Russell was a better strategist & defender & better off the ball than Bird. The 84 Lakers better than Wilt, West & Baylor? Idk because there's no way to accurately compare any of these debates when saying this era's better than that era. & Worthy shut Bird down more than Bird got the best of him. That's the main reason they lost 2 against the Lakers. Chuck used the same strategy against Bird & held em to 10pts on 35% shooting & made Bird a turnover machine CONTD
c2g1980 1 month ago
@c2g1980 Also lets be honest. The Laker team that Bird defeated in 7 games in 84 was superior to the team Russell beat in 7 games in 69. I'll agree, Russell was the best strategist of his era. But that was his era though. I dont think anyone would disagree that Bird played in a tougher era than Russell. Russell would not have won 11 titles in Bird's era. Sorry, but it wouldnt have happened. I could see him winning 2 or so, but not 11. and I'm a big Russell fan BTW.
williwo 1 month ago
@williwo CONTD I'm being as honest as possible, whether Russell could win 11 titles in the 70s to or 80s to 90s is impossible to determine. MJ won 6 of 6 & easily could've been 8 of 8 had he not retired. Magic won 5 of 8 & that could've easily been 6 or 7 so its not that far fetched. Bird won 3 of 5 & was shut down several xs n the finals & the ECFs. I know because I saw em. 1on1 defenses shut him down w/no double teams forcing him to b a distributor only. McHale was their only offense at times
c2g1980 1 month ago
@williwo Of course he wouldn't have won 11... They're were more teams so the talent in the league was more spread out, leaving room for more contenders, not just two or three stacked teams
alec9tap 3 weeks ago
@williwo true shit
jayslay1000 4 months ago
thats some bullshit Scootie your butt shouldnt have been on the team
mrsonofosiris1 5 months ago
Isaiah was Chicagos favored son, he is from the westside a very very dangerous place.Then they turned on him when Jordan came.Jordan a great player.Jordan also spewed alot of venom about the city of detroit on the local news which most ppl dont know about mainstream.You must understand why ZEKE didnt care about the bullshit, ZEKE is the best.No one can take away his skills or his class,he was always being tested for obvious reasons.
MrLexTalionis1 5 months ago
Clyde Drexler hit the nail on the head in his point, Scottie is a moron...Outside of Jordan, Bird, and Magic, nobody deserved to be on the team more than Isiah. John Stockton??? Give me a break.
davidbehman 5 months ago
@davidbehman Yes John Stockton...are you kidding? He was a pass 1st point guard, who came with no baggage like Isiah would have. He's just what you need with a team who had this much fire power around him. Not taking anything away from Isiah, he was a great player, but he burned his bridges. I'm sure there's a lot more to the story than what's out there.
Redickulous4 5 months ago
Isiah was a great player and I wish he could have been on the Dream Team. But he did stir up trouble, burned bridges and said things that rubbed guys the wrong way. He had a falling out with Magic, MJ, Pippen and Bird. Having him on the team would have been bad chemistry. It worked out for the best. I recall after Detroit losing the 1987 East finals to Boston, Thomas said, "If Bird was black, he'd be just another good guy." Stuff like that doesn't win friends.
siristv 5 months ago
@siristv Isiah was being a real captain and having the back of Dennis Rodman who made the original statement. Isiah shielded Dennis from the media shitstorm and took it himself because he knew Dennis had emotional hangups (obviously).
dh03grad 5 months ago
Isiah led two championship teams. How the hell can you justify keeping him off a dream team. You can't decide who you play with on an All Star team.
raven062000 5 months ago
@raven062000 there is no justification, Isiah was the best point guard in the league, won 2 recent championships, the heart of a champion, the best small player this league has ever seen.......it was a crime he didn't get to play for the dream team....
scorpionJB 5 months ago
Isiah Thomas should've been on the team ahead of Pippen. He had earned it. The truth is Magic and Jordan were bitches and blackballed him.
FavreianVengeance 5 months ago
Personality / cohesiveness thing. Simple as that. If you don't need him, as great as he was, then the option is there to leave him out. So you do.
nesnejls 5 months ago
Thomas was a little B---- when Jordan was young. Being a hater...
so when MJ was the biggest sports star in the world... bye bye Thomas, no dream team for you
bio2020 5 months ago 7
Stockton over Isaiah? I knew something was up with that, Stockton couldn't hold a candle to Zeek!!
jwh1999 5 months ago 2
MJ determined to drop Isaih off the team and the others hadn't anything to say. That's because the Pistons beat the Bulls for three times in a row (88-89-90). As a matter of fact, each of the team's leaders hated the Bad Boys. Bird and Magic hated the BBs because they marked the end of the Celtics and Lakers' winning course during the eighties. Isaih Thomas and Dennis Rodman deserved to take part in the 1992 Dream Team with coach Daly.
lorenzettomuran 6 months ago
@lorenzettomuran so very right sir.. eff stockton and malone.. how many rings did they win exactly?
KingLeroyDavid 5 months ago
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NisiB1003 5 months ago
Isiah was a poor attitude when Jordan won for first time to bad boys in final eastern playoffs 1990. no has class.
TheBajaduro 6 months ago
Shows you how political the game is, not purely talent based... pretty sad.
track09 6 months ago
scottie pippen is full of shit! scottie pippen was not a top 50 player. isahi thomas won 2 titles at the time of the dream team, john stockton won ZERO!!!
cookies749 6 months ago
what i want to know is who were the other hall of fame players that didnt make the team like scottie said?
mchale? parish? guys past their primes of course they woudlnt make the team.
darockk 6 months ago
You wouldnt cant believe they don't like Isiah. The way Isiah always kissed Jordan's ass when he was commentating the 98 finals.
darockk 6 months ago
A.I = The More Aggressive Isiah. Why are people Anti Isiah Anti Iverson? ...Fuck dat they both will bust that whole dream Teams ass.
bangbangboogybaby 6 months ago 2
@bangbangboogybaby
Sure they would dumb ass.....sure they would...SMH
blackadam06 6 months ago
The Pistons beat the Bulls, more than the Bulls beat the Pistons. Its not that complicated.
dh03grad 6 months ago
@dh03grad Really?? 6 championships by the bulls and 2 by the pistons..??? i pretty sure that sums it up.
ls6cobra 6 months ago
@ls6cobra Why does Jordan, Pippen and the rest of the Bulls still hold so much animosity towards the Pistons then? Somethings missing?
dh03grad 5 months ago
@dh03grad Isiah is hated by everybody, he's an asshole who envies someone else success,
yakinani 5 months ago
@dh03grad i think it had to do with the pistons attitude. when it was time for Boston to pass the torch to the pistons bird and Mchale where very gracious about it, but when it came time for the pistons to pass it to the bulls, Isaiah and the others really didn't want to do it, and that rubbed a lot of the Bulls the wrong way. There was issues with a lot of the pistons players being "professionals"
ls6cobra 5 months ago
@ls6cobra was that the time when the Bulls were gonna win the final game in the series they walked off except Joe Dumars?
TheKathy78 5 months ago
@TheKathy78 ... and Salley
lorenzettomuran 5 months ago
@ls6cobra Surely it had to do with the Pistons attitude! The Pistons team was utterly shaken by that 1991 ECF's defeat by the Bulls because they felt to have great strength more and they were really aware of taking the series long, whereas the Celtics were aware of their own wane when it was time to pass the torch. Moreover, I think it had also to do with the heated citizens' sports rivalry between Motown and Chi, which was perfectly moved into the basketball arenas during those years.
lorenzettomuran 5 months ago
@lorenzettomuran @bio2020 Thats BS, Boston walked off the court when the Pistons beat them as well with only Kevin McHale staying behind to tell them to beat LA in the Finals.
dh03grad 5 months ago
@dh03grad because everyone knows that it is a competitive sport especially at that level. But when it comes to just be an asshole to other players and no professionalism that when I guess it crosses the line.
TheKathy78 5 months ago
@dh03grad When MJ was a rookie, Isiah Thomas was hating on him. He was jealous that MJ got so much attention from the fans and media. During MJ's first all-star game, MJ accused Isiah Thomas of telling the veterans to avoid passing to Jordan.
Then add on the Piston Bad Boys teams, where they would PHYSICALLY beat down Jordan.... remember, no such thing as a Flagrant foul back then. Then add in the fact that Isiah walked off the court and didn't even congratulate the Bulls when they finally win
bio2020 5 months ago 2
Scotty is whack a hell, lets take his carrer apart with a fine tooth comb minus MJ and see what you come up with. Scotty is a hell of a ball player but overall his resume IS NOT in Isiah Thomas league. His NBA career is Hall material as is Zeke, but where else hashe won. Isiah is a victim of trying to help to many brothers reach their dreams, without being a yes man, of course Scotty wouldn't know anything about that! ...unless MJ told him so!
TLEEWHITE123 6 months ago 5
@TLEEWHITE123 No I dont think you are old enough to make a remark like that. Scotty didthings without Jordan. Jordan was a team player and most of the plays where directed to Jordan.Jordan was meant to ball hog because he was emaculant. Jordan and the bulls team usually had more then 10 points for every player that played every night. Most teams now dont even have but one player with 30 points.The coaches elect one person to be the all star.Even though you have 10 possible allstars. Jordan was 1
condo45 3 months ago
@TLEEWHITE123 No player was wack on the bulls team. When they had to step up then they could do that. Even Steve Kerr. When your number is called as a Bull Team member. They where ready. It was just not your cup of tea, because Scotty was not banging down 30 points a game because he was behind Jordan. You should know that. You should know that when Jordan was at 60 points Scotty was at 30 and Cartright was at 15 and BJ was at 12 and Horace was at 20. But I bet you forgot about that history.
condo45 3 months ago
@jhairston45 Shaq wasn't on that team becuase LSU didn't have the success Duke had. It's the only reason why Laettner was on the team.
BigdogH201 6 months ago
Isiah got his revenge: During the 92 Olympics, John Stockton went down with the leg injury, Magic pulled his hamstring, and Jordan had to play point guard for most of the Olympics!!
BigdogH201 6 months ago
Isiah shoulda been there instead of Chris Mullin and Shaq shoulda been there instead of Laettner if you wanted to pick the 12 greatest players available.
MrCurtlyambrose 6 months ago 2
@MrCurtlyambrose Shaq wasn't on that team becuase LSU didn't have the success Duke had. It's the only reason why Laettner was on the team.
BigdogH201 6 months ago
bulls were easy to beat up because the same man shot the ball every damn time. no lay up rule was in effect in the eighties. all of the good teams fouled mj because they did not like his style of play. all the previous great scoring guards shot the ball alot in crunch time only. they played team ball and took over in crunch time. mike shot all the time and his teammates seldom developed. only scottie because he was a point forward and great defender.
edscottable 6 months ago
When the Bulls of Jordan and Pippen swept Detroit in the eastern conference finals 1991, at the end of game 4, the Pistons left the court without shaking hands of their opponents. That created a lot of controversy and that would be the reason of Isiah Thomas exclusion from the Dream Team
franccoiss 7 months ago
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franccoiss 7 months ago
A testement to just how great thomas was......a 25 point third quarter in the playoffs all while playing and a bum ankle. Nuff said....
blakswan08 7 months ago
OH GIVE ME A BREAK " NO ROOM FOR THOMAS.... HE IS SO MUCH BETTER THAN JOHN STOCKTON COME ON" ridiculous
MrSuperMario34 7 months ago
@MrSuperMario34 No playing space, "We had some of the best point guards of all time no room," that's ridiculous
MrSuperMario34 7 months ago
@MrSuperMario34 i totally agree. michael was and is a BITCH AND HE WAS MAINLY HE REASON WHY ZEKE DIDN'T MAKE THE TEAM. and drexler spoke the truth good for him!
DirtyFillipino 7 months ago
@DirtyFillipino Yeah the way Isiah played and The Bad Boys played, the only "friends," they had were themselves an us against the world mentality, that's why they were so great
MrSuperMario34 7 months ago
Clyde Drexler, voice of reason.
robpollard 7 months ago 20
@robpollard pippen, voice of ...crap!
DirtyFillipino 7 months ago
lol, isiah wasnt on the team because he was and is a little btich, he should be in jail, or in hell, hahahahahah, queen bicth
philnigable 7 months ago
Stockton was nowhere near Zeke
DJCokNeeto 7 months ago
Why didn't you mention that every member of the "Great Celtics' team of 1988,except Kevin Mchale,walked off the floor before the game was over! Did the Celtics have any class after winning all of the Titles that they have and got all of the call that they benefitted from over the years?? Parrish beat Laimbeer down from BEHIND,with no flagrant foul or suspension! Did you say that Karl Malone had no Class,after intentionally elbowing Isaiah for 40 stitches? Jerry West got his nose broken 7 time
Ikedoggy 8 months ago
Why didn't you mention that every member of the "Great Celtics' team of 1988,except Kevin Mchale,walked off the floor before the game was over! Did the Celtics have any class after winning all of the Titles that they have and got all of the call that they benefitted from over the years?? Parrish beat Laimbeer down from BEHIND,with no flagrant foul or suspension! Did you say that Karl Malone had no Class,after intentionally elbowing Isaiah for 40 stitches? Jerry West got his nose broken 7 times!
Ikedoggy 8 months ago
Both Scottie Pippin and Michael Jordan were petty when they lobbied to keep Isiah Thomas off the olympic team. Isiah was one of the greatest clutch players theh game has ever seen. All Scottie Pippin did was ride Jordan's coatails. He was never a team leader as evidenced by his total failure in Portland. Furthermore, he and Jordan are uncle toms who always look to ingratiate themselves to white folks. At least Thomas remained true!!!!
vecooks 8 months ago
I think everythings too anti isiah thomas. Yes ok he was jerk to guys he played against whats wrong with that? Fans wanna see real rivalrys atleast i do and he did a great job playin the mental game getting under his opponants skin that was ultimately what the badboys were about and they won two championships ina row so they must have been doing something right. Ive heard many asshole stories about pippen jordan magic and others so who really cares.
ReignSupreme287 8 months ago
@ReignSupreme287 Well Said! N
ot only did he win 2....he went THROUGH JORDAN for em. He doesnt get enough credit for that. You see he was the 1st player Mike thanked we he got inducted.
erickliddell 8 months ago
@erickliddell And something else people wont aknowledge. Isiah thomas was one of the toughest players to ever play the game specially concidering how undersized he was everyone remembers when Malone ran full force and elbowed isiah who was coming in the lane. Isiah was busted open cameout after gettin stiched up and finished that game so he could dish it out and take it at the same time.
ReignSupreme287 8 months ago
@erickliddell And another thing lot of ppl dont relise why the Pistons walked out like that number one was their management left that team in ruins that team was no longer the same anymore and all of them knew it was the end. The bulls did not beat a badboy team that was 100 percent they more less caught them on their way out.
ReignSupreme287 8 months ago
@ReignSupreme287 correct. no more mahorn. and aguirre, though good, ended up not being better than dantley. salley never blew up like he was supposed to. pistons just weren't as deep up front anymore.
edscottable 6 months ago
If Drexler would've been beaten like Pippen, Jordan, Bird and Barkley were at the hands of the dirty Pistons, he wouldn't have wanted them on the team either. Lambier and Rodman were the biggest cheap shot artist to ever play the game. And Isaiah encouraged it all. The proof was when he orchestrated that cowardly walk off after they got swept by the bulls. On tape you can clearly see Chuck Daily pleading with Thomas to consider his actions. Plus his comments about Bird and Magic.. No class!
dre4eva 8 months ago 2
@dre4eva Drexler's Blazers were beaten by the Pistons in the 1990 NBA Finals. But I guess it was only once so it didn't really have an effect on his opinion over Isiah's inclusion.
604emo 7 months ago
@dre4eva Drexler was beaten by the Pistons in the 1990 finals...
philsense 7 months ago
@philsense
Physically beaten. My post highlighted the cheap shots the pistons would give their common opponents. They played in the eastern conference which means they played the Bulls, Celtics and 76ers at least four times a year not including playoff series. The Blazers only played the Pistons twice a year being in the western conference, so Drexler wasn't "beaten like Jordan, Barkley,Bird or Pippen".
dre4eva 7 months ago
@dre4eva Ok gotcha
philsense 7 months ago
talentwise isiah definitely deserves to be in the team but the question is...it's either him or half of the original dream team goes. it isnt a hard decision to make actually.
wornoutshoes11 8 months ago
michael jordan didnt want him on the team, end of story. This is what happens when you tell everybody not to pass the ball to jordan on his first all stars game.
yakinani 8 months ago 30
@yakinani That´s exactly what happened!!!!!!
bladerunner9405 7 months ago
@yakinani As a rookie he played 25 minutes and went 2-9 shooting. He wasn't "frozen out", he was just a serial whiner.
youfail1t 7 months ago