@hikari4light I’ve gained understanding. I understand that I NEVER chose to be gay. I understand you are probably not gay, yet you insist being gay is a choice. I understand you are quoting evolution as your sole proof, yet I understand you do not believe in evolution (and neither do I). Since neither of us believes in evolution, can you tell me what you DO believe is proof that being gay is a choice? I don’t understand using something you don’t believe as your proof. That makes no sense.
@Donny1908 afraid not. I already did. I told you that since you have no understanding of evolution or why I'm using it as hypothetical proof that we could discuss homosexuality within the context of religion if you liked. I am a Christian. I believe Christianity. If you'd like to discuss homosexuality within the context of Christianity we can. if not. Get some understanding of evolution before you come back.
@hikari4light You said several times that I lack understanding. I think that you do not understand a simple, direct question. You have gone out of your way to avoid a simple, direct answer. I don’t want to discuss anything, religion or other. All I want to know is this: why do YOU believe that being gay is a choice? Not someone else, but you personally. When you say it is a choice, you also are saying that I am a liar. I NEVER chose to be gay.
@Donny1908 I JUST told you. I am a Christian. I believe Christianity. Homosexuality is sin according to Christianity and God does not condone or cause us to sin. We can obey or disobey him and that is ALWAYS a choice. Secondly there is no alternative. There are no gay genes or traits to cause homosexuality. Choice is the only thing left.
@hikari4light FINALLY an answer that YOU believe. I am not a Christian because they have so many different sects to choose from, all with their own rules. Had you said this the FIRST time I asked the question, I’d have been on my way then. Instead YOU CHOSE to draw out the process for weeks. I don't believe what you said is true, but I do believe that YOU believe it. Spend more time loving and less time hating. I NEVER chose to be gay and there is nothing you can say that will alter that fact.
@Donny1908 Lol You didn't understand my first answers. No fault of mine. I had to leave for awhile due to personal matters. I thought during that time you would at least try to gain understanding of what I toId you in the first place but I hoped in vain. If you didn't choose to be gay what made you gay? there are no genes or traits for any sexual orientation. I don't hate you or any other homosexual. I simply don't condone the lifestyle. it is sin.
@hikari4light Until you said being a Christian is your reason for believing being gay is a choice, you didn’t give me an answer that YOU believed. I don’t know why I’m gay, nor do I care; I just am. People much smarter than us can’t explain it, so don’t feel bad for getting it wrong. I don’t belong to your sect. I’m not sinning. “If you’re not like me in every way, you’re sinning” is an easy way to mask your lack of tolerance of others. I NEVER chose to be gay and you can’t alter that fact.
@Donny1908 Then how do you know i you didn't choose? You haven't given an alternative option. Lol I never said that. people are different. There's nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with sinning though and yiou are sinning according to the Bible. Whether you believe it or not. Sects have nothing to do with it. To each his own though. You aren't a Christian so you don't think you're sinning. You have the right to think so.
@hikari4light You seem to forget, this is not up for discussion. Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. You can say what is a sin for YOUR sect, but that does not apply to people not in your sect. I do not believe in your bible. If you wish to follow it, fine. Religion is like a penis. You can be proud of it, and it's completely fine to have one. But please don't shove it down other people's throats.
@Donny1908 Lol I asked you if you didn't choose to to be gay what made you gay? you responded that you did not know. How then do you KNOW it isn't a choice? I do not belong to a sect of Christianity. I am simply a Christian.; I believe the bible. If you don't that's fine but you are in sin. the truth is the truth whether you believe it or not. You came to this video and commented first. . You asked me questions. I'm not forcing my beliefs on you. I'm talking about them. You asked.
@hikari4light “Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay.” What part of that sentence requires an explanation? Of course, you didn’t understand the meaning of ‘sect’ as being ‘a religious denomination’, so why am I surprised? ‘Christian’ is a religious denomination, and therefore a sect. You seem to be a Fundamentalist Christian. Most Christians say the bible is a guide, but should not be taken literally. Fundamentalists disagree. This makes you a member of the ‘Fundamentalist Christian’ sect.
@Donny1908 LOL i understand what you said but saying something doesn't make it true. give me evidence that you never chose to be gay or leave. give me evidence t stop spamming and contribute. You're free to think what you want but I'm non-denominational.
@hikari4light Saying something doesn't make it true? I don't accept your proof because I don't believe your bible. I walked away 5 days ago and you called me back. This is the third to the last time I'll say this (unless you call me back again):
Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. Get over yourself. There is nothing to discuss.
@Donny1908 None. I understand the sentence but saying something doesn't make it true. Give me evidence that you didn't choose to be gay. I'm nion-denominational but you're free to think I belong to a sect if you want.
@hikari4light Saying something doesn't make it true? I don't accept your proof because I don't believe your bible. I walked away 5 days ago and you called me back. This is the last time I'll say this (unless you call me back again):
Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. Get over yourself. There is nothing to discuss.
@Donny1908 Also the statement " people do not choose to be gay is not a scientifically proven fact otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. . Scientists don't know what causes homosexuality. They just know that there are no genes or traits many agree with you that people don't choose to be gay but they've never once found any conclusive evidence for it. Facts require evidence. produce some.
@Donny1908 LOL answer the question or don't reply anymore. I'm not gonna let you spam my video with the same comment over and over again. Contribute or don't bother replying. . If you did not choose to be gay and you don't know what made you gay then how do you know it isn't a choice?
@hikari4light Saying something doesn't make it true? I don't accept your proof because I don't believe your bible. I walked away 5 days ago and you called me back. This is the second to the last time I'll say this (unless you call me back again):
Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. Get over yourself. There is nothing to discuss.
So you're trying to save the 10% of people who feel an attraction for the same sex, whether they do or do not actually engage in sinful acts, but you are ignoring the 52% of married couples who divorce. Jesus never said a word about homosexuals, but he definitely said, "What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder." (Mark 10:9)
@Donny1908 No. I responded to an intellectually dishonest video with the part of the bible and basics of Christianity and evolutionary theory that it most conveiniently forgot about. Nobody has to be saved. It's their choice entirely. Had the aforementioned video been dishonest concerning divorce it would certainly be covered in this video as well. Also, that isn't all Jesus said. try reading the entire chapter.
@hikari4light Which video is intellectually dishonest? Yours says that being gay is a choice, but you don't state what your proof is. I know that I personally never made a decision to be gay, but I have been taunted and harassed for it many times by so-called Christians who say I am sinning.just for saying I am gay. My god is more understanding than yours. I think I'll keep my god an let you have yours.
@Donny1908 The one I responded to. It completely ignored the new covenant and how death isn't the penalty for sin anymore. Took verses concerning biblical "slavery" out of context just to try and make a point. It even got some of the verses completely wrong . I do state my proof only briefly in the video. Saying you are Gay is not a sin. It's just a fact. Homosexuality is sin however. There are tons of religions so practice whichever one you want. Doesn't have to be mine.
@hikari4light I still don't see any proof for the statement in your video that being gay is a choice. It seems that your video is intellectually dishonest, yet you make the same claim about another video.
@Donny1908 The fact that even Darwinian evolution (While I don't believe it myself) doesn't support the existence of Gay genes or traits. They've modified it with extremely unlikely scenarios to allow for that. Scientists have even admitted that there is no Gay gene. They say they don't know what causes homosexuality.
@hikari4light If you don't believe in Darwinian evolution, it can't be relevant to your argument. What proof do you have for saying that being gay is a choice THAT YOU BELIEVE, not that Darwin did or did not believe. Since YOU said it, what is YOUR proof that YOU believe?
@Donny1908 LOL how so? you used the scriptures in the argument concerning divorce you posed. You don't have to believe in something for it to be proof. Darwinian evolution is a standard part of secular education and Unlike religion it is the widely accepted theory for how life got on the planet.
@hikari4light OK - Where in Darwinian evolution does it say that being gay is a choice? Please quote the entry. If you can't quote it, then it doesn't exist and you can't use it for proof. So far you have not offered any proof.
@Donny1908 Entry? what are you talking about? Evolution is a theory. Not a book. There are countless books about it though. Charles Darwin (The father of evolution) said that when evolution occured it wouldn't favor any genes or traits that hindered reproduction. Homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally. Therefore if a gay gene ever existed it would have been phased out of the evolutionary process because it would hinder reproduction. No gay genes or traits. That leaves only Choice.
@hikari4light I'm gay, but my parents were straight. This is the case with almost all gays. I never "decided" or "chose" to be gay, so something else must be at play. Neither the religious nor the scientific communities have figured out the cause yet, so YOU are unilaterally making a claim that you obviously can't prove or you wouldn't keep beating around the bush with your BS answers. What proof do you have that being gay is a choice? Please don't refer to "theories", quote facts.
@hikari4light You say that evolution is a theory, therefore if might be true and it might be false. My theory is that you are attempting to change the subject by misdirection. What proof do you have that being gay is a choice. I NEVER chose to be gay.
@Donny1908 Yers it is a theory but It is accepted as fact by the scientific community and taught as such in secular schools. You apparently did not know that and lack understanding of everything I say.
@hikari4light You have already said that YOU do not believe this, yet you insist that I should. Why should I? Tell me when it becomes the FACT of evolution and when YOU believe it. Until then, what is your proof that being gay is a choice? I NEVER chose to be gay.
@Donny1908 Lol why would I tell you to believe something I don't? I That wouldn't make any sense. I was just using it because again it is widely accepted as fact by the entire scientific community and most people don't accept religious arguments when it comes to this topic. I'm guessing you don't believe in evolution. You don't seem to understand it at all. What do you believe in? What do you think made you gay?
@hikari4light Again, you are misdirecting me to change the subject. It is a simple question for YOU. Just tell me what YOUR proof is for saying that being gay is a choice. Suffice it to say, I NEVER chose to be gay.
@hikari4light Let's make this simple. Your video says that being gay is a choice, but you have not said why. You offered an answer and then said that YOU do not believe it. Why are you giving that as your answer? What proof do you have that you DO believe? If you believe it, you must have proof, so state your proof. Let me remind you, I NEVER chose to be gay.
@Donny1908 Nope. I said I don't believe in evolution. My answer is hypothetical. If Darwinian evolution were true being gay would still be a choice. I already told you why I used my answer It is accepted as truth by the entire scientific community and taught as such in schools. I also said that most people do not accept religious arguments when it came to this topic. . The fact you do not understand the proof you've presented with is not my fault.
@hikari4light You admit that your answer was hypothetical and that you don't believe it, even after I requested several times that you state FACT that you DO believe. You are still attempting to misdirect the conversation to change the subject. I guarantee you that I NEVER chose to be gay. State your PROOF that being gay is a choice. Stick with FACTS that you DO believe this time.
@Donny1908 I don't believe in evolution but my answer is true provided evolution is correct. I am not trying to change the subject. If I did it wouldn't help. You lack understanding. I've given you proof.I believe in Christianity. If you'd like to discuss being Gay within that context we can. If not please stop spamming and gain understanding before you post again.
@hikari4light You have given me answers that OTHER people might or might not believe, but you still have not given me the answer that YOU believe. It is YOU who do not understand my question. I want to know why YOU say that being gay is a choice. I do not wish to ‘discuss’ anything. I am merely looking for information. If that is ‘spamming’, I apologize. As I’ve told you several times now, I NEVER chose to be gay.
Well, you're not all bad, I guess. You're not like the WBC.You state your views rationally. (Well, rationally in comparision to most bible-thumpers) You don't wave around hateful signs with crude words plasterd on them. You're still intolerant, however. You're just not an intolerant asshole.
@Stargatesucks LOL if by " intolerant " you mean that I don't believe being a homosexual is ethical then yes I am very intolerant. I have no tolerance for sin. Though I must bring up the fact that just because someone doesn't hold the same views you do does not (in reality) make them intolerant .
@hikari4light John says, "He who says he is without sin deceives himself."..........Well, how tolerant are you of your own sin? Are you tolerant when you gossip, lie, or lust in your heart, or do not do good when you know you should? Even though we are born again, we obviously sin at times we don't even realize. Jesus said, "He who divorces and remarries commits adultery, and he who marries someone who is divorced commits adultery........How intolerant of sin are you now?
@1norville LOL I never said I was without sin we're all sinners. Myself included. I do not practice sin however. I avoid it. I don't have any problems with the sins you've listed there but I definetly have sinned and I do my very best to remove it from my life because it doesn't belong. I am not to tolerate it period. I did not say "I don't tolerate sin in other people's lives only." It goes for me too.
@hikari4light I am homosexual............And saved! The same blood that covers all Christians, covers me. The same Spirit that seals all Christians seals me....Amen. And I have his Spirit as a guarantee. If there are men who live up to there guarantees in their life and business, how much more will God live up to his guarantee when we put our faith in his Son, Jesus Christ for salvation! Jesus said, "He who believes in me shall by no means be put to shame." And, by no means is by no means!
@hikari4light I have never read Dawkins, only the proof that YOU posted on Feb 6, 2011. If you didn’t agree with it, why did you post it? YOUR proof said, “THIS PROVIDES SOLID EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE OF HOW "GAY GENES" COULD NOT ONLY SURVIVE BUT THRIVE OVER THE COURSE OF EVOLUTION.” You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice.
@hikari4light You said, “lLOL your posting on it right now.” I can’t call your statement English, let alone proper English. Teach English when you can prove you understand it. ROFL!!! I have never posted “on” nor “in” your video. The sad part of this is you have no idea what you did wrong, but you still insist you are right. ROFL!!! Referencing another’s mistake doesn’t correct yours. Two wrongs don’t make a right. LOL!!! I guess your GED classes didn’t cover English. ROFL!!!
@hikari4light My comments have not changed a single frame of your video, so I have neither posted “in” nor “on” your video. If you’ll read back a few weeks, I’ve already explained where I left my comments. ROFL!!! So much for YOU being an English major in GED School. LOL!!!
@pete072313 English major in GED School what are are you talking about? A GED is the equivalent of a highschool diploma, not a college Degree. Highschool doesn't have majors. A GED is for people that never got their diploma. There's no such thing as an "English Major in GED school" In fact I really hope you were kidding me with that. If you were actually trying to insult me,it seriously backfired. You aren't posting IN my video. so your comments can't change it. Duh. You're posting ON it.
@pete072313 LOL I know I'm going to regret askingThough the answer is bound to be hilarious ) but where are you posting comments then if not on my video?
@hikari4light My comments have not changed a single frame of your video, so I have neither posted “in” nor “on” your video. If you’ll read back a few weeks, I’ve already explained where I left my comments. ROFL!!! So much for YOU being an English major in GED School. LOL!!!
@hikari4light What is the ISBN of the Oxford English Dictionary that you are quoting? If you quoted it, you can also reveal the ISBN. What page is that on? If you reveal the ISBN, then the page number will be the same in all Oxford English Dictionaries with that ISBN. If you CAN’T state the ISBN and the page on which you found the definition, you must be lying.
@pete072313 LOL its an online dictionary . It gives every known definition of a word from archaic to present.. You've got to pay to use it. It's that good. oed.com
@hikari4light So when YOU and YOUR MENTOR at the WBC were using the hate words, you were actually using the UK English meanings and talking about a bundle of sticks, a dish similar to meatballs, a student who performs menial labor for an upperclassman, a cigarette, etc., but NOT the scurrilous term for a male homosexual? Why would any of those cause God to hate Gays? ROFL!!! Why does YOUR MENTOR show graphics of a Gay sex act? If he’s not YOUR MENTOR, why are you making excuses for him? ROFL!!!
@pete072313 LOL God doesn't hate Gay people. I don't have a Mentor from the WBC they were using the derogatory and stupid meaning of the word "Faggot" not any of the others that the dictionary defines. I don't know why they have stupid graophics like that on their signs but hateful people do hateful things. Its pretty ironic.
Again I don't have a mentor from the WBC so I wouldn't know who you were talking about. Excuses ? I can't make excuses for nonexistent people. The WBC is crazy.
@gaylolful LOL not the kind you think. It was more like indentured servitude when you look at the history. but everyone tries to make it seem like chains and whips and torture. no sale.
The fact of the matter is that the definition that the word has now is the definition of the word...faggot means two things now...regardless of whether people have changed it...it means tow things and both deifinitions are in the dictionary...
@gaylolful LOL again that depends on where you are or your character. If someone in england used the word Faggot they'd just be talking about a cigarette. In another part of the world they'd just be talking about firewood.I've had homosexual friends that used the word "Gay" to describe their orientation. it all depends.
Answer this question....so if I find PROVE of someone who killed themselves because they couldn't change their sexual orientation you will admit you're wrong?
@gaylolful People kill themselves for the reason that they supposedly couldn't change their orientation all the time. That's not the issue. The issue is that it proves nothing. People kill themselves for all kinds of reasons. its not proof of anything.
LOL and the word gay used to mean happy or joyful...words change over time because people CHANGE them...now it means a gay male or stupid or bad...faggot is an offensive term....
@gaylolful Not originally. In England for instance "Faggot" means cigarette. today. People may change it into something stupid but the original still stands.
@hikari4light lol no the original does not still stand...if the original still stands then why has the definition changed in the dictionary? Why do we use the word gay as homosexual male instead of joyful or happy like it used to be???
@gaylolfulROFL It hasn't. It will give you all three definitions if you look it up. and again to this very day in England it means Cigarette. people make it stupid and offensive but originally it isn't.
@hikari4light Well duh LOL....it's going to give me the three definitions but originally it meant happy....why are you denying this? It meant happy originally...this is a FACT not an opinion...
@hikari4light Okay...so over time people have ADDED on to the definition of the word....now it can mean happy, male homosexual, and stupid or something else derogatory and that is exactly what happend to the word faggot...a definition has been added to it...the belief that the original definition is the ONLY definition is flawed...
@hikari4light "It's the only context in which those words are acceptable though." What? What do you mean?
Then why did you say "the original stil stands" like the original of the word still stands...and why were you arguing with pete about it? You were saying that people changed the word and that it means somthing else now almost as if it's not an insult to call someone faggot...
@gaylolful LOL people have given the ord another meaning but that doesn't take away the original meaning. People use the words "Queer" and "Funny" to describe homosexuals sometimes but If I tell my friend that a comedy movie I watched was very Funny, hes going to know what I mean because the original still stands.
@hikari4light Okay whatever...getting back to the other thing....what about the when the people asked the lady when their sexual orientation would change and then the lady told them to pray harder or avoided it?
@gaylolful What about it? that doesn't prove anything either. I've heard several stories that ended the same exact way. it proves nothing as far as choice is concerned.
@hikari4light WHAT? You said that it was "Easily" changeable and this is proof that it ISN'T...meaning they didn't CHOOSE it....the people asked when their sexual orientation would change so OBVIOUSLY it's not easy to change since they kept waiting and it never happened....
@gaylolful Its not proof. thats the problem. suicide is never used as proof of anything regarding sexual orientation. not even by the people who agree with you.
@hikari4light What are you talking about? I didn't mention suicided this time...I just said you said it was "Easily" changeable and it isn't. The people asked when their orientation would change to the ex-gay ministry leader and she never gave them a solid answer....so much fore it being as easy as snapping your fingers....
@hikari4light You said that it was easily changeable and these people are waiting for their orientations to be changed....it is was easy to change they wouldn't even be in this situation to begin with and spend their money and their time and stress themselves out and yes with the snap of a finger since that's how fast it was for you to change your orientation.( LIE COUGH LOL)
@gaylolful LOL who is waiting for their orientations to be changed?. LOL that isn't true. remember most believe it can't be. When I was walking to my classroom forI would always take a really really long way and end up being very tired afterwards. One day I met a lady who asked me why I was always taking the long way. she showed me a much easier way. I kept taking a path that was difficult because I didn't believe there was any other way. until I became aware of another.
@hikari4light I don't understand what you just said but the people in the ex-gay ministry were waiting for their sexual orientations to be changed and were asking the lady when it would happen. OBVIOUSLY these people did not want to be gay and were trying to change themselvs...so why do you keep saying it's easy??? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard...LOL
@gaylolful LOL the point was that the first step to changing anything is believing you can in the first place. Gay people are constantly told that there isn't anything they can do about it. thats a lie.
@hikari4light Excuse me? Sinse when was I told that? My mother thinks I can change and those opinions have been shoved down my throat ever since I was really small? What are yout talking about?
@hikari4light And I did believe that for a long portion of my life and I tried to change and nothing happened...I prayed to God and nothing happened...I'm still gay...in fact I think I'll do it one more time and nothing will happen....God please make me not gay....see??? I'm still gay...PLEASE WITH A CHERRY ON TOP...Ummm...why am I still gay? Okay...this time I'll get on my knees...I'll donate to the poor if you make me not gay...still gay...sorry didn't work...any other suggestions? LOL
@gaylolful Lol and now you don't believe you can change at all. so naturally you never will. What do you mean q when you say that you prayed for god to make you hetereosexual?
@hikari4light "so naturally you never will." Um? Yes after trying to make myself heterosexual I stopped trying...do you think I'm going to live my life praying for all eternity? Nothing happened...how many years do I have to pray before it changes? Please tell me since you know...and when I say pray for God to make me heterosexual I mean I don't want to be gay anymore so make me straight God...that's what I mean...
@gaylolful You stopped trying to change sio you won't change. but what do yyou mean by gay? do you mean you wanted to stop having sex with other men or stop feeling sexually attracted to them?
@hikari4light "You stopped trying to change so you won't change" Well I've tryed for many years. If It is possible I don't want to put myself through more pain ...it was already hard enough....I just could not get a boner for girls...It's not possible for me...girls are disgusting no offense...I'm a virgin and I meant I want to stop being sexually attracted to them...I'm old enough to know after all these years so I just stopped....what's the point in going through the pain?
@gaylolful LOL getting a boner for a girl would mean absolutely nothing. Physical reaction even happens during rape. So what religion were you before?
@hikari4light Getting a boner from a girl would mean that I was changed and that I was physically attracted to them...if there's no boner I'm not physically attracted to them....I can't find a girl attractive...I can have girl friends but that's it...actually there's this one girl that has a crush on me LOL....I was a christian before...a catholic to be specific...my mom likes to shove her beliefs down my throat, she doens't know how hard it is for me...
@gaylolful Lol klike I said even rape victims have physically reacted to their rapists. It woulld mean nothing except that you physically reacted to a girl. People physically react to nonexistent stimuli even. Ok . then in that case I think I can safely say that all you're experiencing is temptation.
@hikari4light LOL no I'm emotionally and physically attracted to men...lets not talk about rape. I'm just saying that the day I'm able to emotionally tie and physically tie myself to a women is the day that you will be right....since my orientation has not changed after all this time your theory is on hold...LOL...and it's NOT temptation...I just think guys are attractive and girls aren't...ewww vagina and boobs LMFAOOOOO
@gaylolful Lol ok, no more talk about rape. but people can react oto nonexistent stimuli so it would mean nothing. . welll the Christian religion as well as the catholic religion both teach that Satan tempts us to do wrong and that we are to guard our thpughts. He can easily plant those kinds of thoughts in your mind but again it matters what you believe. If you believe him then its no question why you're attracted to men.
@hikari4light Eww....I even had a girlfriend in all this time and I couldn't do it...it was terrible....we had to break up...I'll never do that again or put myself or anyone through that XD
@hikari4light ROFL! Yes it does prove you wrong....if she could have changed her orientation then she would still be alive...the evidence is in that video...you can easily go back and look for the proof or search on the internet....it's not a choice because she would have chosen not to be a lesbian and she would have been happy...
@hikari4light I see your latest hate tactic it to delete all comments that you can’t answer with proof. This is what Muammar al-Gaddafi is doing now in Libya, too, except he is deleting the people who disagree with him as well. You are no better than he is. You spread lies and delete comments that you can’t provide proof to answer. You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice.
@pete072313 LOL that's a lie Ive said that twice now. but what does it matter. iROFL if you think I agree with you then there isn't any reason for you to post here any longer. Why are you still here?
@hikari4light I’m still here because you haven’t removed the lies from your Video yet. You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth.
@pete072313 ROFL you want this video removed? ROFLLOLROFLLOLROFLLOL not going to happen but I'll do you a favor and remove you from it. If you'd like.
@pete072313 LOL so you think that the article ScienceReasonBelief cited proves your point without question. Alright. then you don't need to post here anymore. You think it has been proven that people are born gay and for some really strange rreason you think I agree.Why post anymore?
@hikari4light Did you not understand my question? I remember you onced told me..."You can easily change" And no I can't easily change...it's not easy to switch your sexual orientation and that's the point...why is it so hard for gay people to be straight? Because they're not supposed to be...that's why it's hard to switch...you just don't understand anything...that's why your suddenly changing what your saying...epic fail...
@gaylolful LOL it is easy. I never said otherwise. Sure they've got a lot of things to facilitate it. that doesn't make it hard at all. There are tons of method's you can use to wash your car. does that mean washing your car is hard? no.
@gaylolful ROFLLOL Oh and with that kind of thinking you'll never accomplish anything in life. You honestly think that just because something is difficult (Changing your sexual preference excluded) it automatically means you aren't supposed to do it ? thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Nothing worth having comes easy.
Um? LOL no it isn't easy...and I was ONLY talking about sexual orientation not anything else in life so don't try to turn this argument against me...you do realize people kill themselves over their sexual orientation right? EPIC FAIL ON YOUR PART....and do you even know what kinds of psychological damages an ex-gay ministry has on the person? Do your research and watch the video I linked looool....
@gaylolful That's an excellent video! What surprises me about her is that she avows to be Heterosexual, but she says she has no romantic interests for either men or women. That is the description of an Asexual person, not a Heterosexual. How can a person with NO sexuality be such an "expert" on the sexuality and sexual habits of the rest of the world?
@pete072313 Thanks LOL! Yeah her whole argument is flawed....watch her come up with some crap to back up her flawed argument..."it's a choice" LMFAO how serious of a person does she take herself as? "You can easily switch" LMFAO! That's why people go through emotional problems over there sexuality and that's why they want to be different but they can't...FAIL... :)
@gaylolful LOL I'm not changing the argument or turning it back on you. Just making a comparison. Yeah. So what? People have even comitted suicide because they lost their job, or money, one of the people who attempted it told me he only did it because he wanted his parents to feel sorry for yelling at him. Suicide doesn't prove anything.
@gaylolful Please tell me, what on was that video supposed tio prove besides the fact that some ex gay mministers decided to change their minds? that doesn't prove that being gay isn't a choice. It Just beats the dead horse about how most people think it isn't or change their minds. I've seen videos of gay pastors s who said it wasn't sin . So what?. People commit suicide for the stupidest reasons as you can see from my previous comment. it proves nothing niether does that video.
@hikari4light I said “I’m still here because you haven’t removed the lies from your Video yet.” If you understood English you would know that I do NOT want you to remove your video. I want you to remove the lies from it. You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth.
@pete072313 LOL I'm not going to remove anything this video pete. I can remove you from it. LOL if you feel that I agree with you then you don't need to be here at all. In your own mind we agree, so theres no point in talking to you anymore and vice-versa.
@hikari4light Where am I in your video? I seem to have missed that scene. If you agreed with me then you’d remove the lies from your video. Why *did* you post YOUR proof that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth? If you don’t believe it, that was stupid. It couldn’t be to bring up Dawkins because he wasn’t mentioned in YOUR proof, not even the footnotes. You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice, only that it’s not. ROFL!!!
@hikari4light I said the article for which you posted the URL on Feb 6, 2011 proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth and never mentioned Dawkins. It also proved that your Hypothesis was wrong. It did not say Darwin was wrong. If it was someone else’s proof, why did you post it if you didn’t agree with it? Did you even read it? ROFL!!!
@hikari4light I have never been “on” nor “in” your video, so you can’t remove me from it. However, you CAN remove your lies from your video. Are you delusional or are you just lacking in English Grammar training? We ALL know you have trouble with the English language, but you shouldn’t flaunt it. ROFL!!!
@hikari4light Blocking me from making comments or responding to your comments would not remove me from your video. I’ve never been “in” nor “on” your video and you know it. You REALLY have trouble with both US and UK English! It’s either that or you’re using Hitler’s theory that if a lie is told often enough people will start to believe it. You don’t know US English any better than you know UK English. ROFL!!!
@pete072313 LOL The descripion of Shane 219"s video reads:
"My view on homosexuality and discrimination in general.
Don't preach hate. It's all about love folks!"
You may be calling me ignorant when it comes to the English languge but the fact that you don't know the versatility of the word " on " shows its quite the otherway around. Brush up on your English before you end up making qquite the mistake.
@hikari4light Like I said the last 7 times you asked this question, I’m still here because you haven’t removed your lies from your hate video. Don’t you understand English? You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth. ROFL!!!
@hikari4light Like I said the last 8 times you brought this up, I’m still here because you haven’t removed your lies from your hate video. Don’t you understand English? You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth, as I’ve said all along. ROFL!!!
@pete072313 LOL you're still here because you know I haven't proved what you claimed nor do I agree with you.; so cut the act and get serious. stop repeating yourself and debate like someone competent.
@hikari4light Like I said the last 9 times you brought this up, I’m still here because you haven’t removed your lies from your hate video. Don’t you understand English? You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth, as I’ve said all along. It’s YOUR proof. If it wasn’t YOUR proof, why did you post it? ROFL!!!
@pete072313 ROFLLOL I already told you why I linked you to ScienceReasonBelief's article. It admits the fact that you kept calling a hypothesis : Darwin's theory of evolution does not support homosexuality. It provides Dawkins theories as an exception to the rule afterward being an article against my views but the two of you agreed with each other so it would. there. I've said it several times I' won't say it again. so get serious. stop repeating yourself and debate like someone competent.
@hikari4light Nowhere in the article YOU referenced does it conclude anything about Darwin’s Theory. Nowhere in the article YOU referenced does it even mention anything about Dawkins. How can it be referencing Dawkins when it doesn’t even mention him? Is this like when YOU showed that Hebrews 7:1-28 invalidated Leviticus, but you still refer to Levitical Law. ROFL!!! Didn’t anyone tell you not to self-medicate? ROFL!!! Charlie Sheen makes better sense in his rants than you do in yours. ROFL!!!
@hikari4light ScienceReasonBelief has not made comments about your video in two months, but on Feb 6, 2011, YOU posted a link on YOUR main channel and used it as proof for YOUR beliefs. I read YOUR proof. YOU still have not proved that being Gay is a choice. YOUR proof even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth.
@pete072313 LOL I didn;'t use it as my proof. Why would I? ScienceReasonBelief cited it. He was on your side not mine. I even m,\made that clear on my channel. What I did do was tell you to read it because even being against my views it admitted the fact that Darwin's model of evolution did not support homosexuality. That was a fact you kkept calling a hypothesis. Facts like that don't need proving. There was no proving involved.
A bunch of men in love with a 2000 year old Jewish man talking about homosexuality. Interesting!
SuperJackmehoffer 1 month ago
@SuperJackmehoffer LOL that's an interesting way of putting it albeit a very inaccurate one
hikari4light 1 month ago
It's been a week and you still have not responded. Why am I not surprised?
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 LOL I have. Gain understainding before you post again.
hikari4light 2 months ago
@hikari4light I’ve gained understanding. I understand that I NEVER chose to be gay. I understand you are probably not gay, yet you insist being gay is a choice. I understand you are quoting evolution as your sole proof, yet I understand you do not believe in evolution (and neither do I). Since neither of us believes in evolution, can you tell me what you DO believe is proof that being gay is a choice? I don’t understand using something you don’t believe as your proof. That makes no sense.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 afraid not. I already did. I told you that since you have no understanding of evolution or why I'm using it as hypothetical proof that we could discuss homosexuality within the context of religion if you liked. I am a Christian. I believe Christianity. If you'd like to discuss homosexuality within the context of Christianity we can. if not. Get some understanding of evolution before you come back.
hikari4light 2 months ago
@hikari4light You said several times that I lack understanding. I think that you do not understand a simple, direct question. You have gone out of your way to avoid a simple, direct answer. I don’t want to discuss anything, religion or other. All I want to know is this: why do YOU believe that being gay is a choice? Not someone else, but you personally. When you say it is a choice, you also are saying that I am a liar. I NEVER chose to be gay.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 I JUST told you. I am a Christian. I believe Christianity. Homosexuality is sin according to Christianity and God does not condone or cause us to sin. We can obey or disobey him and that is ALWAYS a choice. Secondly there is no alternative. There are no gay genes or traits to cause homosexuality. Choice is the only thing left.
hikari4light 2 months ago
@hikari4light FINALLY an answer that YOU believe. I am not a Christian because they have so many different sects to choose from, all with their own rules. Had you said this the FIRST time I asked the question, I’d have been on my way then. Instead YOU CHOSE to draw out the process for weeks. I don't believe what you said is true, but I do believe that YOU believe it. Spend more time loving and less time hating. I NEVER chose to be gay and there is nothing you can say that will alter that fact.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 Lol You didn't understand my first answers. No fault of mine. I had to leave for awhile due to personal matters. I thought during that time you would at least try to gain understanding of what I toId you in the first place but I hoped in vain. If you didn't choose to be gay what made you gay? there are no genes or traits for any sexual orientation. I don't hate you or any other homosexual. I simply don't condone the lifestyle. it is sin.
hikari4light 2 months ago
@hikari4light Until you said being a Christian is your reason for believing being gay is a choice, you didn’t give me an answer that YOU believed. I don’t know why I’m gay, nor do I care; I just am. People much smarter than us can’t explain it, so don’t feel bad for getting it wrong. I don’t belong to your sect. I’m not sinning. “If you’re not like me in every way, you’re sinning” is an easy way to mask your lack of tolerance of others. I NEVER chose to be gay and you can’t alter that fact.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 Then how do you know i you didn't choose? You haven't given an alternative option. Lol I never said that. people are different. There's nothing wrong with that. There is something wrong with sinning though and yiou are sinning according to the Bible. Whether you believe it or not. Sects have nothing to do with it. To each his own though. You aren't a Christian so you don't think you're sinning. You have the right to think so.
hikari4light 2 months ago
@hikari4light You seem to forget, this is not up for discussion. Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. You can say what is a sin for YOUR sect, but that does not apply to people not in your sect. I do not believe in your bible. If you wish to follow it, fine. Religion is like a penis. You can be proud of it, and it's completely fine to have one. But please don't shove it down other people's throats.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 Lol I asked you if you didn't choose to to be gay what made you gay? you responded that you did not know. How then do you KNOW it isn't a choice? I do not belong to a sect of Christianity. I am simply a Christian.; I believe the bible. If you don't that's fine but you are in sin. the truth is the truth whether you believe it or not. You came to this video and commented first. . You asked me questions. I'm not forcing my beliefs on you. I'm talking about them. You asked.
hikari4light 2 months ago
@hikari4light “Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay.” What part of that sentence requires an explanation? Of course, you didn’t understand the meaning of ‘sect’ as being ‘a religious denomination’, so why am I surprised? ‘Christian’ is a religious denomination, and therefore a sect. You seem to be a Fundamentalist Christian. Most Christians say the bible is a guide, but should not be taken literally. Fundamentalists disagree. This makes you a member of the ‘Fundamentalist Christian’ sect.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 LOL i understand what you said but saying something doesn't make it true. give me evidence that you never chose to be gay or leave. give me evidence t stop spamming and contribute. You're free to think what you want but I'm non-denominational.
hikari4light 2 months ago
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@hikari4light Saying something doesn't make it true? I don't accept your proof because I don't believe your bible. I walked away 5 days ago and you called me back. This is the third to the last time I'll say this (unless you call me back again):
Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. Get over yourself. There is nothing to discuss.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 None. I understand the sentence but saying something doesn't make it true. Give me evidence that you didn't choose to be gay. I'm nion-denominational but you're free to think I belong to a sect if you want.
hikari4light 2 months ago
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@hikari4light Saying something doesn't make it true? I don't accept your proof because I don't believe your bible. I walked away 5 days ago and you called me back. This is the last time I'll say this (unless you call me back again):
Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. Get over yourself. There is nothing to discuss.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 Also the statement " people do not choose to be gay is not a scientifically proven fact otherwise we wouldn't be having this discussion. . Scientists don't know what causes homosexuality. They just know that there are no genes or traits many agree with you that people don't choose to be gay but they've never once found any conclusive evidence for it. Facts require evidence. produce some.
hikari4light 2 months ago
@hikari4light Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. Get over yourself. There is nothing to discuss.
Donny1908 2 months ago
@Donny1908 LOL answer the question or don't reply anymore. I'm not gonna let you spam my video with the same comment over and over again. Contribute or don't bother replying. . If you did not choose to be gay and you don't know what made you gay then how do you know it isn't a choice?
hikari4light 2 months ago
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@hikari4light Saying something doesn't make it true? I don't accept your proof because I don't believe your bible. I walked away 5 days ago and you called me back. This is the second to the last time I'll say this (unless you call me back again):
Fact #1: I NEVER chose to be gay. Fact #2: Nothing you can say will alter Fact #1. Get over yourself. There is nothing to discuss.
Donny1908 2 months ago
So you're trying to save the 10% of people who feel an attraction for the same sex, whether they do or do not actually engage in sinful acts, but you are ignoring the 52% of married couples who divorce. Jesus never said a word about homosexuals, but he definitely said, "What therefore God has joined together, let not man put asunder." (Mark 10:9)
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 No. I responded to an intellectually dishonest video with the part of the bible and basics of Christianity and evolutionary theory that it most conveiniently forgot about. Nobody has to be saved. It's their choice entirely. Had the aforementioned video been dishonest concerning divorce it would certainly be covered in this video as well. Also, that isn't all Jesus said. try reading the entire chapter.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light Which video is intellectually dishonest? Yours says that being gay is a choice, but you don't state what your proof is. I know that I personally never made a decision to be gay, but I have been taunted and harassed for it many times by so-called Christians who say I am sinning.just for saying I am gay. My god is more understanding than yours. I think I'll keep my god an let you have yours.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 The one I responded to. It completely ignored the new covenant and how death isn't the penalty for sin anymore. Took verses concerning biblical "slavery" out of context just to try and make a point. It even got some of the verses completely wrong . I do state my proof only briefly in the video. Saying you are Gay is not a sin. It's just a fact. Homosexuality is sin however. There are tons of religions so practice whichever one you want. Doesn't have to be mine.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light I still don't see any proof for the statement in your video that being gay is a choice. It seems that your video is intellectually dishonest, yet you make the same claim about another video.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 Your opinion is noted.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light Your video states that being gay is a choice. What proof do you have that being gay is a choice?
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 The fact that even Darwinian evolution (While I don't believe it myself) doesn't support the existence of Gay genes or traits. They've modified it with extremely unlikely scenarios to allow for that. Scientists have even admitted that there is no Gay gene. They say they don't know what causes homosexuality.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light If you don't believe in Darwinian evolution, it can't be relevant to your argument. What proof do you have for saying that being gay is a choice THAT YOU BELIEVE, not that Darwin did or did not believe. Since YOU said it, what is YOUR proof that YOU believe?
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 LOL how so? you used the scriptures in the argument concerning divorce you posed. You don't have to believe in something for it to be proof. Darwinian evolution is a standard part of secular education and Unlike religion it is the widely accepted theory for how life got on the planet.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light OK - Where in Darwinian evolution does it say that being gay is a choice? Please quote the entry. If you can't quote it, then it doesn't exist and you can't use it for proof. So far you have not offered any proof.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 Entry? what are you talking about? Evolution is a theory. Not a book. There are countless books about it though. Charles Darwin (The father of evolution) said that when evolution occured it wouldn't favor any genes or traits that hindered reproduction. Homosexuals cannot reproduce naturally. Therefore if a gay gene ever existed it would have been phased out of the evolutionary process because it would hinder reproduction. No gay genes or traits. That leaves only Choice.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light I'm gay, but my parents were straight. This is the case with almost all gays. I never "decided" or "chose" to be gay, so something else must be at play. Neither the religious nor the scientific communities have figured out the cause yet, so YOU are unilaterally making a claim that you obviously can't prove or you wouldn't keep beating around the bush with your BS answers. What proof do you have that being gay is a choice? Please don't refer to "theories", quote facts.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 LOL You didn't understand a word of my last comment did you?
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light You say that evolution is a theory, therefore if might be true and it might be false. My theory is that you are attempting to change the subject by misdirection. What proof do you have that being gay is a choice. I NEVER chose to be gay.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 Yers it is a theory but It is accepted as fact by the scientific community and taught as such in secular schools. You apparently did not know that and lack understanding of everything I say.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light You have already said that YOU do not believe this, yet you insist that I should. Why should I? Tell me when it becomes the FACT of evolution and when YOU believe it. Until then, what is your proof that being gay is a choice? I NEVER chose to be gay.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 Lol why would I tell you to believe something I don't? I That wouldn't make any sense. I was just using it because again it is widely accepted as fact by the entire scientific community and most people don't accept religious arguments when it comes to this topic. I'm guessing you don't believe in evolution. You don't seem to understand it at all. What do you believe in? What do you think made you gay?
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light Again, you are misdirecting me to change the subject. It is a simple question for YOU. Just tell me what YOUR proof is for saying that being gay is a choice. Suffice it to say, I NEVER chose to be gay.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 LOL I'm not. I've given you my proof but you cannot understand it. That is no fault of mine.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light Let's make this simple. Your video says that being gay is a choice, but you have not said why. You offered an answer and then said that YOU do not believe it. Why are you giving that as your answer? What proof do you have that you DO believe? If you believe it, you must have proof, so state your proof. Let me remind you, I NEVER chose to be gay.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 Nope. I said I don't believe in evolution. My answer is hypothetical. If Darwinian evolution were true being gay would still be a choice. I already told you why I used my answer It is accepted as truth by the entire scientific community and taught as such in schools. I also said that most people do not accept religious arguments when it came to this topic. . The fact you do not understand the proof you've presented with is not my fault.
hikari4light 3 months ago
@hikari4light You admit that your answer was hypothetical and that you don't believe it, even after I requested several times that you state FACT that you DO believe. You are still attempting to misdirect the conversation to change the subject. I guarantee you that I NEVER chose to be gay. State your PROOF that being gay is a choice. Stick with FACTS that you DO believe this time.
Donny1908 3 months ago
@Donny1908 I don't believe in evolution but my answer is true provided evolution is correct. I am not trying to change the subject. If I did it wouldn't help. You lack understanding. I've given you proof.I believe in Christianity. If you'd like to discuss being Gay within that context we can. If not please stop spamming and gain understanding before you post again.
hikari4light 3 months ago
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@hikari4light You have given me answers that OTHER people might or might not believe, but you still have not given me the answer that YOU believe. It is YOU who do not understand my question. I want to know why YOU say that being gay is a choice. I do not wish to ‘discuss’ anything. I am merely looking for information. If that is ‘spamming’, I apologize. As I’ve told you several times now, I NEVER chose to be gay.
Donny1908 3 months ago
Well, you're not all bad, I guess. You're not like the WBC.You state your views rationally. (Well, rationally in comparision to most bible-thumpers) You don't wave around hateful signs with crude words plasterd on them. You're still intolerant, however. You're just not an intolerant asshole.
Stargatesucks 11 months ago
@Stargatesucks LOL if by " intolerant " you mean that I don't believe being a homosexual is ethical then yes I am very intolerant. I have no tolerance for sin. Though I must bring up the fact that just because someone doesn't hold the same views you do does not (in reality) make them intolerant .
hikari4light 10 months ago
@hikari4light John says, "He who says he is without sin deceives himself."..........Well, how tolerant are you of your own sin? Are you tolerant when you gossip, lie, or lust in your heart, or do not do good when you know you should? Even though we are born again, we obviously sin at times we don't even realize. Jesus said, "He who divorces and remarries commits adultery, and he who marries someone who is divorced commits adultery........How intolerant of sin are you now?
1norville 3 months ago
@1norville LOL I never said I was without sin we're all sinners. Myself included. I do not practice sin however. I avoid it. I don't have any problems with the sins you've listed there but I definetly have sinned and I do my very best to remove it from my life because it doesn't belong. I am not to tolerate it period. I did not say "I don't tolerate sin in other people's lives only." It goes for me too.
hikari4light 3 months ago
I guess what I'm trying to ask is, why jesus save those who commit those sins, but not homosexuals?
AnthraxRabbit 11 months ago
@AnthraxRabbit Jesus can save anyone. Homosexuals included.
hikari4light 11 months ago
@hikari4light I am homosexual............And saved! The same blood that covers all Christians, covers me. The same Spirit that seals all Christians seals me....Amen. And I have his Spirit as a guarantee. If there are men who live up to there guarantees in their life and business, how much more will God live up to his guarantee when we put our faith in his Son, Jesus Christ for salvation! Jesus said, "He who believes in me shall by no means be put to shame." And, by no means is by no means!
1norville 3 months ago
@1norville You are either one or the other. You can't deliberately practice any sin and be a Christian; Homosexuality or otherwise.
hikari4light 3 months ago
May I ask a question? What makes homosexuality different from the rest of those sins? How do you know homosexuality isn't included with those sins?
AnthraxRabbit 11 months ago
@AnthraxRabbit Nothing. Sin is sin. Homosexuality is just as bad as any sin.
hikari4light 11 months ago
@pete072313 LOL you need to read that comment again.
hikari4light 11 months ago
@hikari4light I have never read Dawkins, only the proof that YOU posted on Feb 6, 2011. If you didn’t agree with it, why did you post it? YOUR proof said, “THIS PROVIDES SOLID EXPERIMENTAL EVIDENCE OF HOW "GAY GENES" COULD NOT ONLY SURVIVE BUT THRIVE OVER THE COURSE OF EVOLUTION.” You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice.
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 Oh my gosh. I just answered that question literally days ago. You're playing. seriously. Guess what? Game Over.
hikari4light 11 months ago
@hikari4light You said, “lLOL your posting on it right now.” I can’t call your statement English, let alone proper English. Teach English when you can prove you understand it. ROFL!!! I have never posted “on” nor “in” your video. The sad part of this is you have no idea what you did wrong, but you still insist you are right. ROFL!!! Referencing another’s mistake doesn’t correct yours. Two wrongs don’t make a right. LOL!!! I guess your GED classes didn’t cover English. ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313....... LOL you're leaving cvomments on it right now.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light My comments have not changed a single frame of your video, so I have neither posted “in” nor “on” your video. If you’ll read back a few weeks, I’ve already explained where I left my comments. ROFL!!! So much for YOU being an English major in GED School. LOL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 English major in GED School what are are you talking about? A GED is the equivalent of a highschool diploma, not a college Degree. Highschool doesn't have majors. A GED is for people that never got their diploma. There's no such thing as an "English Major in GED school" In fact I really hope you were kidding me with that. If you were actually trying to insult me,it seriously backfired. You aren't posting IN my video. so your comments can't change it. Duh. You're posting ON it.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL I know I'm going to regret askingThough the answer is bound to be hilarious ) but where are you posting comments then if not on my video?
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light My comments have not changed a single frame of your video, so I have neither posted “in” nor “on” your video. If you’ll read back a few weeks, I’ve already explained where I left my comments. ROFL!!! So much for YOU being an English major in GED School. LOL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL then you haven't read the Oxford English dictionary. Try reading it sometime.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light What is the ISBN of the Oxford English Dictionary that you are quoting? If you quoted it, you can also reveal the ISBN. What page is that on? If you reveal the ISBN, then the page number will be the same in all Oxford English Dictionaries with that ISBN. If you CAN’T state the ISBN and the page on which you found the definition, you must be lying.
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL its an online dictionary . It gives every known definition of a word from archaic to present.. You've got to pay to use it. It's that good. oed.com
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light So when YOU and YOUR MENTOR at the WBC were using the hate words, you were actually using the UK English meanings and talking about a bundle of sticks, a dish similar to meatballs, a student who performs menial labor for an upperclassman, a cigarette, etc., but NOT the scurrilous term for a male homosexual? Why would any of those cause God to hate Gays? ROFL!!! Why does YOUR MENTOR show graphics of a Gay sex act? If he’s not YOUR MENTOR, why are you making excuses for him? ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL God doesn't hate Gay people. I don't have a Mentor from the WBC they were using the derogatory and stupid meaning of the word "Faggot" not any of the others that the dictionary defines. I don't know why they have stupid graophics like that on their signs but hateful people do hateful things. Its pretty ironic.
Again I don't have a mentor from the WBC so I wouldn't know who you were talking about. Excuses ? I can't make excuses for nonexistent people. The WBC is crazy.
hikari4light 1 year ago
Fag is a cigarette and faggot is a bundle of sticks...they're different hikari....
gaylolful 1 year ago
The Bible condones Slavery LOL
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL not the kind you think. It was more like indentured servitude when you look at the history. but everyone tries to make it seem like chains and whips and torture. no sale.
hikari4light 1 year ago
LOL so now you're gonna stop talking?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL no. I like talking. I'll only stop talking in the event that I block someone.
hikari4light 1 year ago
The fact of the matter is that the definition that the word has now is the definition of the word...faggot means two things now...regardless of whether people have changed it...it means tow things and both deifinitions are in the dictionary...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL again that depends on where you are or your character. If someone in england used the word Faggot they'd just be talking about a cigarette. In another part of the world they'd just be talking about firewood.I've had homosexual friends that used the word "Gay" to describe their orientation. it all depends.
hikari4light 1 year ago
Answer this question....so if I find PROVE of someone who killed themselves because they couldn't change their sexual orientation you will admit you're wrong?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful People kill themselves for the reason that they supposedly couldn't change their orientation all the time. That's not the issue. The issue is that it proves nothing. People kill themselves for all kinds of reasons. its not proof of anything.
hikari4light 1 year ago
homosexual male not gay male LOL typo
gaylolful 1 year ago
LOL and the word gay used to mean happy or joyful...words change over time because people CHANGE them...now it means a gay male or stupid or bad...faggot is an offensive term....
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Not originally. In England for instance "Faggot" means cigarette. today. People may change it into something stupid but the original still stands.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light lol no the original does not still stand...if the original still stands then why has the definition changed in the dictionary? Why do we use the word gay as homosexual male instead of joyful or happy like it used to be???
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolfulROFL It hasn't. It will give you all three definitions if you look it up. and again to this very day in England it means Cigarette. people make it stupid and offensive but originally it isn't.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Well duh LOL....it's going to give me the three definitions but originally it meant happy....why are you denying this? It meant happy originally...this is a FACT not an opinion...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful ROFLLOL I never denie3d that gay meant happy. what are you talking about?? lol.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light LMFAO.... the word gay ORIGINALLY meant happy....do you deny this?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful ROFL nope. I never did. I don't know why you said I did.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Okay...so over time people have ADDED on to the definition of the word....now it can mean happy, male homosexual, and stupid or something else derogatory and that is exactly what happend to the word faggot...a definition has been added to it...the belief that the original definition is the ONLY definition is flawed...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL I didn't say that the original was the only definition. It's the only context in which those words are acceptable though.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light "It's the only context in which those words are acceptable though." What? What do you mean?
Then why did you say "the original stil stands" like the original of the word still stands...and why were you arguing with pete about it? You were saying that people changed the word and that it means somthing else now almost as if it's not an insult to call someone faggot...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL people have given the ord another meaning but that doesn't take away the original meaning. People use the words "Queer" and "Funny" to describe homosexuals sometimes but If I tell my friend that a comedy movie I watched was very Funny, hes going to know what I mean because the original still stands.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I already know that...why are you telling me this?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful It is a fact. Gay used to mean happy. I never said otherwise.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Okay whatever...getting back to the other thing....what about the when the people asked the lady when their sexual orientation would change and then the lady told them to pray harder or avoided it?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful What about it? that doesn't prove anything either. I've heard several stories that ended the same exact way. it proves nothing as far as choice is concerned.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light WHAT? You said that it was "Easily" changeable and this is proof that it ISN'T...meaning they didn't CHOOSE it....the people asked when their sexual orientation would change so OBVIOUSLY it's not easy to change since they kept waiting and it never happened....
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Its not proof. thats the problem. suicide is never used as proof of anything regarding sexual orientation. not even by the people who agree with you.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light What are you talking about? I didn't mention suicided this time...I just said you said it was "Easily" changeable and it isn't. The people asked when their orientation would change to the ex-gay ministry leader and she never gave them a solid answer....so much fore it being as easy as snapping your fingers....
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL I never said anything about snapping fingers. An unanswered question isn't proof that sexual orientation is not a choice either.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light You said that it was easily changeable and these people are waiting for their orientations to be changed....it is was easy to change they wouldn't even be in this situation to begin with and spend their money and their time and stress themselves out and yes with the snap of a finger since that's how fast it was for you to change your orientation.( LIE COUGH LOL)
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL who is waiting for their orientations to be changed?. LOL that isn't true. remember most believe it can't be. When I was walking to my classroom forI would always take a really really long way and end up being very tired afterwards. One day I met a lady who asked me why I was always taking the long way. she showed me a much easier way. I kept taking a path that was difficult because I didn't believe there was any other way. until I became aware of another.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I don't understand what you just said but the people in the ex-gay ministry were waiting for their sexual orientations to be changed and were asking the lady when it would happen. OBVIOUSLY these people did not want to be gay and were trying to change themselvs...so why do you keep saying it's easy??? That's the stupidest thing I've ever heard...LOL
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL the point was that the first step to changing anything is believing you can in the first place. Gay people are constantly told that there isn't anything they can do about it. thats a lie.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Excuse me? Sinse when was I told that? My mother thinks I can change and those opinions have been shoved down my throat ever since I was really small? What are yout talking about?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful It doesn't matter what you're told. it matters what you believe.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light And I did believe that for a long portion of my life and I tried to change and nothing happened...I prayed to God and nothing happened...I'm still gay...in fact I think I'll do it one more time and nothing will happen....God please make me not gay....see??? I'm still gay...PLEASE WITH A CHERRY ON TOP...Ummm...why am I still gay? Okay...this time I'll get on my knees...I'll donate to the poor if you make me not gay...still gay...sorry didn't work...any other suggestions? LOL
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Lol and now you don't believe you can change at all. so naturally you never will. What do you mean q when you say that you prayed for god to make you hetereosexual?
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light "so naturally you never will." Um? Yes after trying to make myself heterosexual I stopped trying...do you think I'm going to live my life praying for all eternity? Nothing happened...how many years do I have to pray before it changes? Please tell me since you know...and when I say pray for God to make me heterosexual I mean I don't want to be gay anymore so make me straight God...that's what I mean...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful You stopped trying to change sio you won't change. but what do yyou mean by gay? do you mean you wanted to stop having sex with other men or stop feeling sexually attracted to them?
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light "You stopped trying to change so you won't change" Well I've tryed for many years. If It is possible I don't want to put myself through more pain ...it was already hard enough....I just could not get a boner for girls...It's not possible for me...girls are disgusting no offense...I'm a virgin and I meant I want to stop being sexually attracted to them...I'm old enough to know after all these years so I just stopped....what's the point in going through the pain?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL getting a boner for a girl would mean absolutely nothing. Physical reaction even happens during rape. So what religion were you before?
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Getting a boner from a girl would mean that I was changed and that I was physically attracted to them...if there's no boner I'm not physically attracted to them....I can't find a girl attractive...I can have girl friends but that's it...actually there's this one girl that has a crush on me LOL....I was a christian before...a catholic to be specific...my mom likes to shove her beliefs down my throat, she doens't know how hard it is for me...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Lol klike I said even rape victims have physically reacted to their rapists. It woulld mean nothing except that you physically reacted to a girl. People physically react to nonexistent stimuli even. Ok . then in that case I think I can safely say that all you're experiencing is temptation.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light LOL no I'm emotionally and physically attracted to men...lets not talk about rape. I'm just saying that the day I'm able to emotionally tie and physically tie myself to a women is the day that you will be right....since my orientation has not changed after all this time your theory is on hold...LOL...and it's NOT temptation...I just think guys are attractive and girls aren't...ewww vagina and boobs LMFAOOOOO
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Lol ok, no more talk about rape. but people can react oto nonexistent stimuli so it would mean nothing. . welll the Christian religion as well as the catholic religion both teach that Satan tempts us to do wrong and that we are to guard our thpughts. He can easily plant those kinds of thoughts in your mind but again it matters what you believe. If you believe him then its no question why you're attracted to men.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Eww....I even had a girlfriend in all this time and I couldn't do it...it was terrible....we had to break up...I'll never do that again or put myself or anyone through that XD
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful Sorry there were a lot of typos in that last comment. What do you mean when you say that you prayed to God to make you heterosexual?
hikari4light 1 year ago
Why DIDN'T you respond to the other points I made?
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL I already did. People kill themselves over things they can change or things they can't. so what? its sad. but it proves nothing.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light ROFL! Yes it does prove you wrong....if she could have changed her orientation then she would still be alive...the evidence is in that video...you can easily go back and look for the proof or search on the internet....it's not a choice because she would have chosen not to be a lesbian and she would have been happy...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolfulROFLLOL. No. if she had decided not to kill herself she would be alive.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light It seems that my comments from yesterday have disappeared, so I replaced them for you.
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL I've answered these same comments already. stop spamming. they will be erased.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I see your latest hate tactic it to delete all comments that you can’t answer with proof. This is what Muammar al-Gaddafi is doing now in Libya, too, except he is deleting the people who disagree with him as well. You are no better than he is. You spread lies and delete comments that you can’t provide proof to answer. You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice.
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL that's a lie Ive said that twice now. but what does it matter. iROFL if you think I agree with you then there isn't any reason for you to post here any longer. Why are you still here?
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I’m still here because you haven’t removed the lies from your Video yet. You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth.
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 ROFL you want this video removed? ROFLLOLROFLLOLROFLLOL not going to happen but I'll do you a favor and remove you from it. If you'd like.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL so you think that the article ScienceReasonBelief cited proves your point without question. Alright. then you don't need to post here anymore. You think it has been proven that people are born gay and for some really strange rreason you think I agree.Why post anymore?
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Did you not understand my question? I remember you onced told me..."You can easily change" And no I can't easily change...it's not easy to switch your sexual orientation and that's the point...why is it so hard for gay people to be straight? Because they're not supposed to be...that's why it's hard to switch...you just don't understand anything...that's why your suddenly changing what your saying...epic fail...
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL it is easy. I never said otherwise. Sure they've got a lot of things to facilitate it. that doesn't make it hard at all. There are tons of method's you can use to wash your car. does that mean washing your car is hard? no.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@gaylolful ROFLLOL Oh and with that kind of thinking you'll never accomplish anything in life. You honestly think that just because something is difficult (Changing your sexual preference excluded) it automatically means you aren't supposed to do it ? thats the stupidest thing I've ever heard. Nothing worth having comes easy.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light /watch?v=aDiYeJ_bsQo&playnext=1&list=PL2CD7A8C31B33432B
Um? LOL no it isn't easy...and I was ONLY talking about sexual orientation not anything else in life so don't try to turn this argument against me...you do realize people kill themselves over their sexual orientation right? EPIC FAIL ON YOUR PART....and do you even know what kinds of psychological damages an ex-gay ministry has on the person? Do your research and watch the video I linked looool....
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful That's an excellent video! What surprises me about her is that she avows to be Heterosexual, but she says she has no romantic interests for either men or women. That is the description of an Asexual person, not a Heterosexual. How can a person with NO sexuality be such an "expert" on the sexuality and sexual habits of the rest of the world?
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 Thanks LOL! Yeah her whole argument is flawed....watch her come up with some crap to back up her flawed argument..."it's a choice" LMFAO how serious of a person does she take herself as? "You can easily switch" LMFAO! That's why people go through emotional problems over there sexuality and that's why they want to be different but they can't...FAIL... :)
gaylolful 1 year ago
@gaylolful LOL I'm not changing the argument or turning it back on you. Just making a comparison. Yeah. So what? People have even comitted suicide because they lost their job, or money, one of the people who attempted it told me he only did it because he wanted his parents to feel sorry for yelling at him. Suicide doesn't prove anything.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@gaylolful Please tell me, what on was that video supposed tio prove besides the fact that some ex gay mministers decided to change their minds? that doesn't prove that being gay isn't a choice. It Just beats the dead horse about how most people think it isn't or change their minds. I've seen videos of gay pastors s who said it wasn't sin . So what?. People commit suicide for the stupidest reasons as you can see from my previous comment. it proves nothing niether does that video.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I said “I’m still here because you haven’t removed the lies from your Video yet.” If you understood English you would know that I do NOT want you to remove your video. I want you to remove the lies from it. You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth.
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL I'm not going to remove anything this video pete. I can remove you from it. LOL if you feel that I agree with you then you don't need to be here at all. In your own mind we agree, so theres no point in talking to you anymore and vice-versa.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Where am I in your video? I seem to have missed that scene. If you agreed with me then you’d remove the lies from your video. Why *did* you post YOUR proof that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth? If you don’t believe it, that was stupid. It couldn’t be to bring up Dawkins because he wasn’t mentioned in YOUR proof, not even the footnotes. You still have not proved that being Gay is a choice, only that it’s not. ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL but you said I agreed with you. If yiou know I don't why say it over and over again? LOL that was ScienceReasonBelief's proof.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I said the article for which you posted the URL on Feb 6, 2011 proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth and never mentioned Dawkins. It also proved that your Hypothesis was wrong. It did not say Darwin was wrong. If it was someone else’s proof, why did you post it if you didn’t agree with it? Did you even read it? ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL you're mixing "on" up with "in" again.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I have never been “on” nor “in” your video. Are you delusional? ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 ROFL you're posting on it right now.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light I have never been “on” nor “in” your video, so you can’t remove me from it. However, you CAN remove your lies from your video. Are you delusional or are you just lacking in English Grammar training? We ALL know you have trouble with the English language, but you shouldn’t flaunt it. ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL the block user button is all it takes. one press of that and you can't post any comments on my videos anymore.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Blocking me from making comments or responding to your comments would not remove me from your video. I’ve never been “in” nor “on” your video and you know it. You REALLY have trouble with both US and UK English! It’s either that or you’re using Hitler’s theory that if a lie is told often enough people will start to believe it. You don’t know US English any better than you know UK English. ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL The descripion of Shane 219"s video reads:
"My view on homosexuality and discrimination in general.
Don't preach hate. It's all about love folks!"
You may be calling me ignorant when it comes to the English languge but the fact that you don't know the versatility of the word " on " shows its quite the otherway around. Brush up on your English before you end up making qquite the mistake.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@pete072313 You're posting on my video right now Pete. There's something very wrong if you don't realize that LOL..
hikari4light 1 year ago
@pete072313 "you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth."
In other words yopu think I agree with you. So once again why are you still here? I think you must know that the opposite is true. ROFL.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Like I said the last 7 times you asked this question, I’m still here because you haven’t removed your lies from your hate video. Don’t you understand English? You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth. ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 In other words you thinkl I've proven your point and that we agree. There's no need for you to post here anymore. ROFL.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Like I said the last 8 times you brought this up, I’m still here because you haven’t removed your lies from your hate video. Don’t you understand English? You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth, as I’ve said all along. ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL you're still here because you know I haven't proved what you claimed nor do I agree with you.; so cut the act and get serious. stop repeating yourself and debate like someone competent.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Like I said the last 9 times you brought this up, I’m still here because you haven’t removed your lies from your hate video. Don’t you understand English? You still haven’t proved that being Gay is a choice. On the contrary, you even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth, as I’ve said all along. It’s YOUR proof. If it wasn’t YOUR proof, why did you post it? ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 ROFLLOL I already told you why I linked you to ScienceReasonBelief's article. It admits the fact that you kept calling a hypothesis : Darwin's theory of evolution does not support homosexuality. It provides Dawkins theories as an exception to the rule afterward being an article against my views but the two of you agreed with each other so it would. there. I've said it several times I' won't say it again. so get serious. stop repeating yourself and debate like someone competent.
hikari4light 1 year ago
@hikari4light Nowhere in the article YOU referenced does it conclude anything about Darwin’s Theory. Nowhere in the article YOU referenced does it even mention anything about Dawkins. How can it be referencing Dawkins when it doesn’t even mention him? Is this like when YOU showed that Hebrews 7:1-28 invalidated Leviticus, but you still refer to Levitical Law. ROFL!!! Didn’t anyone tell you not to self-medicate? ROFL!!! Charlie Sheen makes better sense in his rants than you do in yours. ROFL!!!
pete072313 1 year ago
@hikari4light ScienceReasonBelief has not made comments about your video in two months, but on Feb 6, 2011, YOU posted a link on YOUR main channel and used it as proof for YOUR beliefs. I read YOUR proof. YOU still have not proved that being Gay is a choice. YOUR proof even proved that being Gay is Natural and not a choice and the child is Gay from birth.
pete072313 1 year ago
@pete072313 LOL I didn;'t use it as my proof. Why would I? ScienceReasonBelief cited it. He was on your side not mine. I even m,\made that clear on my channel. What I did do was tell you to read it because even being against my views it admitted the fact that Darwin's model of evolution did not support homosexuality. That was a fact you kkept calling a hypothesis. Facts like that don't need proving. There was no proving involved.
hikari4light 1 year ago