History of the West Bank & Israeli Settlements, Part 3 of 4

[Thunkful2]

Settle in your land, Israel. You don't need any permission from the world or the gentile nations.

[Thunkful2]

Mass forcible deportation of the Moslems a few miles to the East of Jordan would be a very sensible solution. The Moslems have plenty of territory from Algeria to Indonesia. They would do well to live in that territory & stop coveting the postage stamp of Israel.

[Thunkful2]

All this WEST BANK stuff is baloney. You are talking about tribes of Israel, like Judah, Ephraim, & Manasseh. A bank is a narrow strip of land along side a river or lake. U are not talking about that, but territory leading 1/2 way to Mediterranean Sea. Carter = baloney. The Bible is the only authority over who owns Eretz Israel. Convention/shmension.

[Pledgeist]

Israel is a state that was offered by the west and the British occupying forces to the Zionists , while the most of the 600000 Jews who were there at? the time were migrants , and although the Arabs did not accept the partition plan , theirs was a voice in the wildenes , the voice of the people who lived there for? centuries was ignored , israel was imposed on the palestenians and the neighbering countries ,,,, for me , this is a war decleration , this is the root cause of the problem

[BroadwayRonMexico]

@Pledgeist The entire Mandate of Palestine (containing Israel, Palestine and Jordan) had a population of only 1,000,000 at the time it was mandated to Britain, and 10% of it was Jewish, and many of the Arabs were nomadic. The terms of the mandate guaranteed the right for Jews to immigrate there as a way to address the long standing "Jewish Question", and was considered a good option as it was nearly uninhabited at the time and had a historical precedent with the Jewish people.

[BroadwayRonMexico]

@Pledgeist Then in the 40s, it was partitioned into East and West Palestine (modern-day Jordan and Israel/Palestine, respectively) to address ethnoreligious conflicts in the territory (as many Arabs from other countries in the Middle East had moved there since it become more developed as a result of European Jewish immigration), with Transjordan being an exclusively Arab state, while West Palestine remained open for Jewish immigration.

[BroadwayRonMexico]

@Pledgeist After West Palestine was handed over to the United Nations, the UN decided to partition it yet again into Arab and Jewish states. Israel accepted the terms and was established, while the Palestinians refused and called in other Arab states to destroy Israel. Jordan occupied the West Bank, and Egypt occupied Gaza. Israel pushed them out and made another concession for Palestinian statehood, which the Palestinians refused.

[BroadwayRonMexico]

@Pledgeist

tl;dr version: The Palestinians had no national identity and barely even existed in terms of population before the British mandate and the beginning of Jewish immigration. Aside from a few big-name families there, they had NOT lived there for centuries and were mainly immigrants from Syria and Yemen in the early 20th century.

And Palestine has refused every proposal for statehood thus far, and as such, has no legally defined or universally-recognized borders.

[Pledgeist]

@BroadwayRonMexico i agree,israel the partition plan was not accepted by the arabs,but still it was applied & imposed on them,arabs have the right to have a voice on the destiny of a land in witch they lived in for centuries.but still their voice was ignored & replaced by others who never lived in palestine & the land got offered to European migrants,& the result is refugees,settlements,occupied territory,,,now i understand people do not like wars,but what can be expected as a reaction ?

[steute2011]

Unfortunately for Israel whether or not the US considers the settlements illegal is completely irrelevant, since the International Court of Justice has in fact deemed them to be illegal under international law in 2004. Furthermore, the American judge also agreed that the settlements were illegal under international law. So why would he blatantly lie and say that they are not? It's like listening to a bad defense lawyer's, where he try's to convince the jury that the law has been misapplied.

[SmartGuy4today]

Steute, under what law are they illegal? Also how is any previous legitimate, when you cannot be legitimate on any grounds of majority rule? Most of these countries in the UN are not legitimate even in the eyes of the majority of their own people. Thus what laws or unions they created such as the United Nations to establish resolutions cannot be legitimate either. An illegitimate is an invalid law, the only reason why it is enforced is due the philosophy of Thrasymachus that might makes right.

[steute2011]

@SmartGuy4today They are illegal under the Fourth Geneva convention, which states "The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies." Israel, having acquired the territories by war (1967), is therefore the occupying force and is bound by these international laws /norms. Israel, as a member state of the UN, is bound by the charter of such and part of that charter is to abide by UN resolutions and international law.

[SmartGuy4today]

How is the Fourth Geneva Convention legitimate if all of constituent members not?

Look, don't question my logic, because under my logic the state of Israel would also not be legitimate. So stop arguing against me.

[steute2011]

@SmartGuy4today BTW, If Israel is a member of this illegitimate UN body, are they included in your thesis of illegitimacy? Or is this just another convenient tactic to discredit institutions that do not tow the Israel line?

[SmartGuy4today]

Israel's existence did not came by consensus so it is as illegitimate as the United States and any state not created out of consensus of its population. So yes, it is illegitimate. Why do you bother to argue against me?

Consensus rule is the ultimately means to make any state you wish not to have exist to not exist.

[steute2011]

@SmartGuy4today I apologize for misunderstanding your point. In what case if any, has a state been created by the consensus of it's population? I find your view quite intriguing and I am not saying that sarcastically. I just don't understand how that ties in to what the substance of the video or my post? Please be patient with me and I will try to understand where you are coming from.

[SmartGuy4today]

No you are just so profoundly anti-Israeli and anti-Jewish that your rage had controlled you and prevent you from seeing reality clearly. Now I am not saying you can't be Anti-Israeli, because clearly the rule of a consensus you can be. However, you let your hate or indulgence get the better of you and perhaps if you want your thoughts to remain clear and rational, you should submit your existence and entirety before me and become my loyal subject. Especially if you plan on helping me end Israel

[steute2011]

@SmartGuy4today WHAT???? I could never be anti-Jewish, since my wife is Jewish and my daughter is half Jewish. I take issue with Israels policies, but do not wish her harm. So you are on your own there buddy.

[SmartGuy4today]

I am anti-Christian and I am from a Christian mother and I have Christian sisters.

[SmartGuy4today]

BTW, according to Jewish law, if you are wife is Jewish, your child is not half Jewish, but fully Jewish.

"I take issue with Israels policies, but do not wish her harm."

Removing a state that is illegitimate is not harming it, because it never was legitimate. You must mean the citizens of Israel and in that case I can argue for the same.

"So you are on your own there buddy."

You don't have a choice in the matter. You will obey me.

[ofri75]

I don't think Palestinians will have an independant country in the next 50 years. The West bank is vital for Israeli interests, mainly national securty interest, and after Israel took this territory as a result of the Arab countries agression and after they opened a coordinated attack on Israel, Israel, as a self defence act, conquared the west bank, Gaza, Sinai and Golan. It's perfectly legal!

[argonium79]

propaganda fail... settlement legal wasnt convincing, ok now tell me mr. apologomaniac rabbi, why israel has to bulldoze farms and uproot olive trees which are 200 years old?

[kelema2011]

There is a Palestinian homeland--- Jordan.

[steute2011]

@kelema2011 They would argue, there is a homeland for Jews...Europe.

[SmartGuy4today]

Oh boy... Europe. I wonder how that had fair during and just prior to WWII.

Europe is not Judaism's homeland. It is Christianity's homeland. Well actually it is European Homeland, but it is Christian majority that has acted repetitively to kick out the Jews.

[farawayistan]

OMG, this is so full of shit I don't know where to start. Israeli settlements are illegal as they can get, no two ways around that. Get a grip, grow up anand start showing a minimum of respect for other people (i.e Palestinians) and please don't insult our intelligence with propaganda videos like these.

[BennyBigPants2490]

@farawayistan you did not say why they are illegal. you say they are, but have not given any reason as to why. please tell me

[JohnnyRock2000]

A hugely flawed argument, aimed at the bulk of Americans that don't know better to agree that Israeli expulsion of Arabs and the taking of their land is legit. No one who knows anything about Israeli's policy of expansion would accept ANY premise of this rediculous argument.

[ILIKESFLAN]

Israel can build all the settlements it wants, all it needs to do is give the non-jews equal rights.

DUH!

[hamshow]

Talk about Orwellian Speak!!! Yes we know Israel can take all the land.... It's the double standard...

[TheJudea]

obama is full of crap. He is anti Jewish. I hope his health care plan fails. He is trying to provide healthcare for 30 million people at the expense of 270 million Americans by taxing and debt the country

[hcwcars1]

carter for pres 2012

[vistavision2]

If The UN did not have LAWFUL authority to Partition the Pre-Existent State of Palestine into two states, Jewish & Arab with UNGA 181, as alleged by both Palestinian & Israeli [Netanyahu] extremists then HOW is FACT of historical record that Ben Gurion Proclamation of Independence which refers to UNGA 181 and UN Community of Nations UNGA 273 BOTH which refer to UNGA 181 as State of Israels SOURCE for soverignty reconciled?

Its a FALSE premise that UN did not have the LAWFUL authority.

[vistavision2]

Its equally a FALSE premise that the State of Palestine never existed:

Otherwise HOW could State of Israel be established with UNGA 181 from a non-existent State of Palestine?

If State of Palestine did not exist then UNGA 181 is not SOURCE for State of Israels sovereignty , WHY would Ben Gurion & Herzilte leadership EXPLICETLY refer to UNGA 181 as Israel's source of soverienty?

Why would UN Community - UNGA 273- refer to UNGA 181 as Israel's source of sovereignty?

[vistavision2]

ISSUE of legality is UNGA 181:

1 Israeli leadership obligations to UN Chartered Course of UNGA 181, UNSC 72, UNSC 242, & UNSC1397

2 UN Charter Articlce 103- Obligations to UN Charter suprecede bi-lateral obligations

ISSUEof War Crimes:

1 "UNGA 181, Part I., B., 4., The period between the adoption by the General Assembly of its recomendations on the Question of Palestine and the establishment of of the independence of the Arab & Jewish states shall be a transitional period

[vistavision2]

1.1 International Law does not expire

1.2 UNGA 181 Did not expire vis-a-vis [Arab] State of Palestine becasue [Jewish] State of Israel government assumed their respective soverign powers with UNGA 273

2 UNGA 181, Part I, B., 4., TRANSITIONAL PERIOD is effect UNTIL the day the People of Palestine assume soveriegn power over thier respective UNGA 181 State fo Palestine Part II Demarcated Borders Territory

2.1 Regardless, irts been 61 years later: UNGA 181- UN Charter Art 80 Terms

[vistavision2]

2.2 "UNGA 181, Part I, B., 9., [ph e.] During the transtional period no Jew shall be permitted to establish residence in the area of the proposed Arab State [of Palestine]..."

2.21.1 UNGA 273 Israeli leadership accedes to UNGA 181

3 UNGA Part II Demaractes Borders for both States

3.1 Israel occupied UNGA 181 State of Palestine West Bank Province Territory

3.2 I-973 Geneva: Israel in systemic contravention & UNSC 1397- Art 39 where settlements equal "Aggression "

[vistavision2]

4 Israeli settlers can & should be held accountable for War Crimes: Immaterial that the State of Israel did or did not transfer them as PLUNDER during war is a War Crime and they are War Criminals; And can be shot on sight comparble to looters in civil disturbances.

4.1 YOUR Children are War Criminals upon reaching the age of majorituy -18 years.

4.2 NAZI's did not involve their children in Crimes Against Humanity for personal profit of plunder under guise of war: Israelis do.

[PalestineNow1]

'The Occupying Power shall not deport or transfer parts of its own civilian population into the territory it occupies'

International law is decided by the International Court of Justice, not American presidents. Why dont you report its findings? Oh yeah that's right, it wouldnt fit into your neat little explanation. Anyone who believes your rubbish is a little thick.

[PalestineNow1]

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