Guiliani - September Criminal or 911 hero? - 3

[mdog2700]

I ask the post-er of this site to encourage a think tank on the subject. I Thank the post-er of this site for allowing his veiwers to try to develop a way of saving future lives. Any idea can be developed by some one who does this R&D work. Ideas are for the taking, free !!

[mdog2700]

How bout a chamber tube thing like at the bank drive thru. For people on the outer part of each bldg corner. OR a slide device on each collum with a controlled desent. fire escapes can have a slide like in water parks. So more people can escape quickly. These guys that build these bldgs need to be able to have a plan if disaster strike. They must think about the safty of the people that have to work there. These are just ideas so please dont laff.

[mdog2700]

A parachute is way better than nothin. I know this the temps were high enough to melt aluminum but only hot enough to make steel red hot. And thermite is gone in a flash - no thermite fire-notta.

[mdog2700]

Do you remember the fire situation in WTC-7.

[therockroad]

Like The Titanic Nothing Is Unsinkable

Its Just The Law

[mdog2700]

I believe the most important to do now is design a way for people to survive the next disaster. I want all veiwers to put their energy and super brains to work on that. Including myself.

[therockroad]

This Is Not ment To Be Funny But

Closet's Full Of Parachute's Might

Have Saved Some Live Before They Came Down

[mdog2700]

Structural support no matter the material.. oh mighty u-tube gatekeepermaster. i also designed and built machines, and much more. I knew somone with out engineer knowllage would say that.

[EndeavorFreedom]

The One Meridian Plaza Fire

One Meridian Plaza is a 38-floor skyscraper in Philadelphia that suffered a severe fire on February 23, 1991. The fire started on the 22nd floor and raged for 18 hours, gutting eight floors and causing an estimated $100 million in direct property loss.

Despite the severity and duration of the fire, as evidenced by the damage the building sustained, no part of the building collapsed.

[EndeavorFreedom]

The First Interstate Bank Fire

The First Interstate Bank Building is a 62-story skyscraper in Los Angeles that suffered the worst high-rise fire in the city's history. From the late evening of May 4, 1988 through the early morning of the next day, 64 fire companies battled the blaze, which lasted for 3 1/2 hours. No collapse.

[EndeavorFreedom]

Caracas Tower Fire

The tallest skyscraper in Caracas, Venezuela experienced a severe fire on October 17, 2004. The blaze began before midnight on the 34th floor, spread to more than 26 floors, and burned for more than 17 hours. Heat from the fires prevented firefighters from reaching the upper floors, and smoke injured 40 firefighters.

No collapse.

[therockroad]

Yes Sir You Have Done Your Homework

It May Be Stated But I Dont Know What

Was The Temperture Of The WTC Fire

And Where The Temp's Close?

[EndeavorFreedom]

The Windsor Building fire

The most recent case of a severe high-rise fire is the one that destroyed the Windsor Building in Madrid, Spain on February 12, 2005. The Windsor fire was more severe than any of the other fires described on this page, and the incident has been widely publicized, with comparisons to the fires in the three World Trade Center skyscrapers on 9/11/01. No collapse.

[mdog2700]

I have seen those disasters on film and ill bet none of those bldgs were of truss suport design. or if they were they had insulation and it was not blown off by a huge jet crash on a suicide mission. The blown off insulation was sopposed to prevent a heat stress situation in event of a fire.

[mdog2700]

As a furniture designer in younger days i learned structure support. Support must always be designed under any thing above. Thats why the old design blg fires dont collapes. The floors here were bolted to sides in so many places that it was a very strong structure as a whole. but if 2 or more floors gave way its doomed to its own weight. I have many yrs of experience in home construction and manufacturing proto-types design, and i see that that was huge error of design. HUGE !

[EndeavorFreedom]

Homes are not made of steel, wood burns, steel does not. Keep watching...

[therockroad]

Your Saying A Pancake Effect Where The Weight Of The Floor Above Then A Chain

Reaction In That Case It Would

Increase Each Floor Gainnig Momentum

As It Goes

But Why Dust And Pillars With Angle

Cuts To Fall A Certian Way

I Just Dont Know Its Another Mystery That Will Never Be Solved LIKE JFK

[mdog2700]

Yes Sir, I beleive the angle torch cuts were done afterwards and mistaken for a prior action. Another guy brought the fact that the heat expanded the steel like in rail way track gets longer in summer heat. it had no where to expand so it bulged and buckled. This is smart stuff i think and havent seen such thinking on the tube.

[mdog2700]

As a young man i observed and was intriged by the construction of wtc. THEY WERE OF A NEW design by a japanesse designer. They used an insulated truss supported floor sys. The bldgs worst enemy was thier own weight. In the end of course.

[therockroad]

I Only One Building Fell Maybe But Both

And Bldg 7 Had Not Been Hit At All How Did That Happen?

Something Fishy About This Whole Thing!

[mdog2700]

I know bldg 7 had a huge heating fuel fire. AND was damaged by the tremor and debris of a tower falling. Compared to what happened that day bldg 7 was nill.I Know they thought it would also fall cause fire was to out of control. It is the only building that went straight down. If you watch the vids of actuall controlled demo-s you can see they blew the bottoms out first on all blgs, not so on the WTCs. They also fell way out ward not inward.

[mdog2700]

Thanks KYFIRE911. I love it when my thought process sees a new light. Think people what happens to railroad tracks in the summer, they get longer and buckle if they get hot enough and only so much expansion is possible . So then so much of each tower was that hot.

[williamjw19681]

i sounds stupid to me when people think the buildings fell as result of explosives.... no one knows what a 110 story building looks like coming down as a result of fire & planes going into it, not to mention all the weight of people and possible flameble's on each floor and in each office

[rlegear19]

Right on brother.There is a need for people to believe in complex conspiracy theories over the simple fact that 19 punks with boxcutters and a few flying lessons could do so much damage. Just as they can`t believe that an insignifigant man like Oswald acted alone.They find more comfort in thecontrolled chaos of a government conspiracy.

[williamjw19681]

Exactly !! good to see every one don't have their head stuck in the sand

[rlegear19]

what rock did you controlled implosion advocates crawl out from under? To call the inferno from 2 fully fueled airliners ,"small scattered fires" is beyond ridiculous.The heat from the inferno melted the support columns and the weight of twenty plus stories brought the buildings straight down.How can there be more than 2 of you nuts is amazing.

[EndeavorFreedom]

2 buildings hit, 3 implode to dust straight down in less than 11 seconds. Steel doesn't melt. even if you 'believe' they came down from the force and consequence of being hit by airliners. 3 buildings came down that day. How do you explain WTC 7, huh genius?

[rlegear19]

I wasn`t at the first test to discover the impact of two 110 story buildings collapsing into vapor and dust on structures a block away but i saw the last one. The fucking building will collapse.

[EndeavorFreedom]

Ya buildings will collapse, it's called 'controlled demolition.' Might want to pull your head out of your ass, you may pass out from a lack of oxygen but hey that explains why you think 3 buildings can collapse when hit by 2 airliners not to mention they all just happened to be Silverstein owned.

[rlegear19]

Hey Endeavour....Oswald acted alone and Elvis is dead........ are you still there ?........ I know that if believe in this WTC conspiracy bullshit you must have really been upset by my Oswald -Elvis stance.

[12345badboy]

you think you know.i bet you didn't know that there is NO law that says you have to pay income tax.find it if you can.thats how stupid people are.

[rlegear19]

I think Wesley Snipes got the same bullshit " loose change" advice as you and he is in big trouble with the IRS so please let me know your name and address and I will turn you in for a 10% finders fee.Why do you non taxpayers think you are entitled to police and fire protection , good roads, public education and a strong defense for free. Pay up.

[charliehorse12345]

strong defense my ass. we are the most oppressive force on the planet

[budgood07]

jet fuel doesnt burn hot enough to melt steel.........

[rlegear19]

Steel melts at 2500 degrees farenheit. Jet fuel burns between 800 and 1500 degrees so it would seem that you are correct in that one respect. However the structural integrity of support beams is lessened to 50% when heated to 1100 degrees and lessened to 10% when heated to 1800 degrees. While the jet fuel may only burn at 1500 d. , other materials in the building burned hotter. Temperatures as high as 1800 degrees were recorded.

[KYFIRE911]

steel may not melt at 800 but it begins to enlongate...if u have 3 floors of elongated steel trying to hold up 30 more floors they are bound to fail. Read a fire behavior book you fucking conspiracy prick

[12345badboy]

you are the dumbass.you tell us that all 3 building fell straight down without hitting any other building.you retards need to do your homework.physic's professor's say a bowling ball dropped from one building will take 10 seconds to hit the ground.one build.10 sec,the other 9 sec, you tell us

[mdog2700]

Dam ass great point you have there, i cant believe i didnt realize that too. So not only did the steel become bendable it also was elongating with no where to go except to bulge and collapse under the massive weight. Man thats an exellant point.

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[momerath42]

Hear Hear! ladalang!

I think America is waking up, though! Ron Paul can't come out on 9/11 truth yet, but he's clearly the truth candidate!

[havingtomuchfun2]

With ROCK SOLID EVIDENCE, the government is Lying and playing dumb. Why isn't general public outraged? the official 911 story is the conspiracy to anyone that can think with logic. The scary question, is the general public that fucking stupid? That is a question that scares me!

[ladalang]

I think any intelligent American knows those buildings were brought down by controlled demolition. The proof is in the remaining columns which were taken away. If there was nothing to hide why would they be removed from inspection. People have to think and stop blindly believing everything they are told. It doesn't make logicical or scientific sense. It's easier to believe a incident that doesn't make scietific sense than to believe our government staged it. How sad.

[rlegear19]

hey ding-a-ling....Speaking for intelligent Americans, please don`t speak for intelligent Americans, you sound......... .well.......... like a moron.

[12345badboy]

you should really talk.how long have you paid tax on you'r wage's. you do know that it is illegal for the government to tax you'r earned wages right.right you new that

[rlegear19]

First of all, this discussion has nothing to do with taxes so what is your point? O.K. I get it . You just watched that movie director tell you that there is no law compelling you to pay taxes, so you took his story at face value and think you are smarter than all the chumps that are paying taxes.Good luck with that financial advice.

[bvb720]

Not a question in my mind that these building were brought down by controlled demolitions. Now here is a question. Was that something put in place for any situation that could have caused the buildings to collapse. I don't think so.