SO WHAT! Why is being a leftist even associated with being open minded? Liberal and tree hugging hippies MUST UNDERSTAND that BEING OPPOSED to conservativism ALSO qualifies them as being one sided! I have a BA in sociology and learned in my classes that 1 out of 1,800 people are born hermaphrodites and/or intersexed in variety of ways. BUT, 1 out of 2 people are STILL born either as male or female. I believe in equality between men and women but there is no need for the queer agenda.
A real man wouldn't try to involve himself in one's love life. A real man wouldn't ruin thousands of other human beings' lives just for what he wants. A real man wouldn't throw soda at a group of people just for what they believe. A real man wouldn't kill someone for being homosexual. And a real man would keep his opinions to himself, let the world be at peace with one another, and let me love who I want. I love my girlfriend from the depths of my heart and will not give her up for some law. <3
I really hope that one day people can open their cave and understand that their opinion of another's liberty isn't relevant to our freedom because I will always know what my freedom is no matter what policies and laws ensue.
Cuz a real MAN never will say gay is ok only faggots and fags like you that donnt have the guts to come out of the closet say that fags are ok when is a sin and inmoral.
Actually, only real men would say that gay is okay, because a real man is comfortable in his sexuality. I'm a heterosexual man, and I don't feel that homosexuals are going to invade my mind and force me to have rampant gay sex. Clearly, you do.
Interesting you'd say that, because I, unlike you, am gainfully employed, and busting my ass to support my family day after day. You, however, are a different story - how many job opportunities are there for the retarded?
Ahhh stop shoving carrots up your ass faggot, I'm self employed and support a family of my own unlike you fat faggot bastard support other bastard hahahaha kids that ain't even yours. hahahahaha loser.
Actually, I don't believe that you support a family. Because that, sir, would be the mark of a real man, something you know nothing of being. Sorry to shatter your internet illusion in front of everyone.
Now I'm fat, gay, AND illegitimate? Hey, whatever works for you. Say what you will, I'll still be in-shape, well-adjusted, and know who my father is. Same can't be said for you - although I'm sure your mother has it narrowed down to a few repeat customers, paternity tests are expensive, and who'd want to take credit for you anyway?
@feenin4u247 I've french kissed two of my straight friends... So yes, as heterosexual, or at the very least heavily heterosexual-leaning, some would and do, just as friends. Just like how I could and have french kissed friends of mine that were girls. That doesn't make me straight... Hell, I even have a lesbian friend who had sex with a guy once just for the fun of it. And straight guys and girls do that sometimes too. Who cares? Live and let live.
@feenin4u247, I'm not sure of the relevance of your question, but I'll answer. I would not personally french kiss another man for pleasure or for sexual reasons, no. If one kissed me, I'd stop it, but wouldn't be offended or standoffish about it. Now, if it's on a dare or as a goof, that's a different story, and my answer to that is a resounding absolutely.
While I can disagree with people over taxes, or over welfare, or the Iraq war and the national debt, I never doubt that the other person still believes in God.
Yet on the topic of Gay marriage I have noticed that there is a very real connection between being pro-gay and being anti-god.
The more chance you post in support of gay marriage the more chance you will attack the bible too...
("The more chance you post in support of gay marriage the more chance you will attack the bible too")
Just check out the COMMENTS !
Its almost a guarantee that when you see a person post a bunch of comments in support of gay marriage that the same person will more than likely also attack faith in Jesus while they are at it too.
To me it seems like being pro-Gay marriage must build a wall between people's hearts and their Lord.
Snip, I would NEVER ask you to just take my word for it...Please, PLEASE just check the comments of this video and another of Zennie's on the same topic.
See for yourself sniper,
See for yourself that my statement turns out to be true....right on the nose true!
What you see when you check is that the people that are posting many times in support will also be the very SAME people that also post things attacking a faith in Jesus Christ.
Now I disagree with many people on many issues, but I am never attacked because of my faith.
I share the same faith in the same Lord as many people I disagree with on all the issues of the day....except for Gay marriage.
What I believe is going on that explains this phenomenon, is this:
That being GAY builds a wall between people and theirt Lord.
A wall build of sin.
And that hiding behind this wall forces people to think "There is no god" because their lifrestyle is such that they know full well they do evil in the sight of the Lord.
Rather than coming to terms with this, they deny the very existence of God in the hope it might be true...
Are you seriously comparing the Youtube commenter's demographics to the American voter demographics? And you want me to take that at face value as a valuable parallel, sure....
They're not attacking God. They're attacking the belief that religious conviction entitles one to write subjective morality into a secular nation's laws.
That if you check on this video Comment section, or the other video by Zennie on the same topic , and look at the posters who post the most in support of Gay marriage, you will also note that sooner or later they will also attack a person's faith in God and the Bible.
It always is this way...
At first I thought :
"It must be just on Zennie's videos", but nope. its a trend
You weren't specific about Youtube. You generalised with 'pro-gay marriage people' which I took to mean the voting collective, not this particular slice of them.
And yes, what you are noticing is that the non-religious do not have an issue with gay marriage, and they find your second-hand moral stance offensive and vexatious.
That the terms "Marriage" and "Civil Union" be used to talk about the people's sexuality.
Nothing need be said about what one is "Better" than the other, just that they are talking about the sexuality of the people in the 2 different legal unions.
Under this type of compromise you would have the same rights as normal Married couples.
Just as a husband has the right to visit his wife in the hospital, so to would one gay "partner" have the right to visit their "partner".
Insurance would be the same, taxes, and child support should the Civil Union be dissolved later.
The term "Marriage" is protected in all of it's traditional understandings (so that people of Faith are happy )and the Gays get their right to form legal unions for life.
anyway, this is all just academic anyway, because I do not expect in a million years that one of the Nation's most liberal courts will find in support of the voters....
So it does not matter how many times the American people vote to make their wishes known as long as there still are one or two liberal judges are still in a position to thwart the people's voice .
I think that the people should take steps to open up spots on the 9th high court for new more religiously conservative judges.
I AM A PROUD ASS HOLE GET IT RIGHT GAY IS NOT A CHOICE IT'S WHAT YOUR SICC MIND MAKE YOU THINK THAT and i am tried of people saying they where born gay so you saying god made in perfect people i don't think so.... CONGRADULATIONS ON THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT AND VOTE THE RIGHT WAY WHICH WAS yes on 8 and i mean that.one man and one woman let god plan it.. I KNOW YOU GOING TO LASH OUT ON MY COMMENTS SO WHAT I DON'T CARE
ARE YOU SERIOUS? You are honestly comparing homosexuals to child molesters? The glaring difference between the two: child molesters are violating a human's free will, which of course is what this law is doing also. So, in effect, Prop 8 and Child molesters are the same.
("So it's okay to impose on people because you're religion tells you to?")
Yes
Example: Child Molesters or other Sexual deviants.
My faith takes a strong position against such people.
I have no problem with the use of my faith as a guide when I enter the voting booth.
And yes, I bet that stopping a child molester (or other Sexual deviant) from being free to carry on is going to seem as an unfair imposition of my faith into their life
All sins are equal.....but all sins are equally forgivable. So if you steal a book from a store, it's just as bad as raping babies, but it's Ok. As long as you accept (In cert personal savior here).
I don't need to be "taught" shit, Alan. And yes, I can blame Christians for their "mission". The more people you recruit, the less their is to oppose crap like Prop 8, which is an outright denial of a human's basic free will.
"Prove God"? Carl Sagan asks and answers this same question in "Contact", his prophetic adventure story. In the movie we also see this same question handled in an interesting way. The two main actors are debateing if God is real or not? The scientist doubts God is real. But the church Minister asks her: "Did love your father?" "What?" "Your Dad, did you love him?" "Yes, very much" "Prove it" Faith in God is not natural to us. Its a gift
Really? You question why people who just had their rights voted on might be rude and pissed off?
Frankly, Alan, I don't give a holy-crap-batman whether *you* acknowledge same-gender marriage or not.
Marriage is a civil union. A legal contract recognized by the state. It became so after the Protestants wrested it from the Catholic Church and turned it into a civil contract and not a religious one. Otherwise, it would have remained a Catholic rite for papists only.
Haha Alan, you're so funny. Prove it. Don't tell me to read your bible - I've read it and it is just mythology. It is not the literal truth. Just because you choose to believe in that fantasy.... Prove God made Adam and Eve without resorting to that book of myths.
BTW what about Lilith? Adam's first wife?
I'll believe all the scientific evidence that proves the earth is much older than your book says. I'll believe the fossil record that shows the evolution of mankind.
Okay, i did that and all I got was your post, lol. There again, I didn't need to google it when YT has its own search function....which is what you suggested I use, and got nothing.
Regardless, the clip dialogue is presumably what you have typed a bove already. I note that while you addressed 1), you conspicuously didn't address 2).
("YT has its own search function....which is what you suggested I use, and got nothing.")
I will send you a private message (because the filter here will not allow a web address posted) where I give you the YouTube address for the part of the video I quote...judge for yourself...
I dont think I intended that one video clip of a movie was the be-all to end-all for proof of a God.
Rather I think the value of the video clip is to show that God is not like a tree or a rock or a chair, that a person can point to and say, "There it is",,,,or "There it is not"
Rather our Lord is revealed to us by His revelation of Himself to us.
Apart from His act to reveal Himself to us, we will never believe.
Ah, but the mistake the scientist makes is to accept her understanding of love as being of value. Equating experience of love with experience of god is correct....but the trap is that it tries to validate belief in god, whereas all it does is invalidate belief in both.
If you didn't intend it to prove god, don't hand it out as a reply when asked to prove god, lol. I can't point to fairies, either, there's no value in illustrating the point that they aren't there.
thats right, I dont believe I have ever intended to prove god to someone, Just as I would never attempt to prove I love my children or my wife to somone.
Such as that can ONLY be found in one's own revelation, as it is with understanding that there is infact a God.
It is only known via the Lord's direct revelation to the person.
Thats why it's called 'faith'
Because it is a 'gift" from Him to us, not by our efforts to know of Him.
So what this means is: that if a person just decided to look for proof of a so-called 'god" in this world, but then also decided not to rely on any type of revelation from this god to be part of his search, then the end result is doomed.
There is no way to know of God aside from His revelation to you about Himself.
Not a matter of books, not a matter is study, not a matter of prayers or singing songs.
Only if He reveals himself to you first will you find faith in him.
And that brings me back to my point that most people that support Gay Marriage in these comments, also tend to attack any faith at all in a God.
The connection is very clear between being Pro-Gay marriage, and being Anti-Christian.
The reason for this?...many I would guess.
Perhaps if you have opened the door to some perversions to enter your life you have had to shut other doors that would have kept you free of such things?
Only God knows in the end why so many Gays attack Him as they do...
That's an interesting baseless claim you have there.
Also an interesting persecution complex/strawman.
If you're going to drag god into everything to support your views, you can hardly complain if disagreeing involves opposing your religious beliefs. It's inevitable.
Yeah, genius and all, except that personal experience doesn't demonstrate anything, not even to oneself.
You wouldn't try to prove your love because you can't. Nobody can. That doesn't mean that because we believe in love (wrongly) that believing in God is justified through the same type of personal experience.
Gay marriage is NOT the same as interracial marriage because nowhere in the Bible does it say that 2 people of different RACES can't marry. For those thinking,"we passed the interracial marriage prop 50 years ago,"STOP COMPARING THEM. By being so rude in the first place, gays led most people to vote yes. Stopping gay rights wasn't the issue, it was preserving freedom of religion. If gays are to have their rights, then religions are entitled to theirs too. Prop 8 made us choose between the two.
"... our past cases at the same time uniformly establish that initiative measures adopted by the electorate are subject to the same constitutional limitations that apply to statutes adopted by the Legislature, and our courts have not hesitated to invalidate measures enacted through the initiative process when they run afoul of constitutional guarantees provided by either the federal or California Constitution."
How can I respect anyone's wishes to marry, when they don't want to respect the voters in California (in 2000 and now in 2008) and the very fibers of democracy? Obama said, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman,
California already has Gay right. " California Family Code, section 297.5"
YES on 8 has passed....Democracy has worked, the people voice was heard, Now the Gays are attacking the CHURCH, and it was the Blacks who Voted YES on 8 !!!!!!!!!!
Hey rojohnrieta, I don't know if you happened to notice, but there's no great deficit of people in this world. I fact, we have far too many people as it is. So if your issue with same-sex marriage is that it will encourage adopting children who don't have a home instead of producing still more people in a world monumentally damaged by overpopulation, then it looks like you have nothing to fear. So, why don't we drop the sloganeering and live and let live?
1:34-1:39 Look at this, this is the kind of people that disgusts me. slow minded individuals that don't even know what they are fighting for. they just follow because they don't know any better. At least the No on 8 people knew what they were fighting for and were lot more friendly.
Why is it Christians always think they have a responsibility to "save" those who go against what they believe. If you think being gay is a sin, then don't be gay and leave everybody else alone.
But I believe the answer to your question is found in the type of mission that people of Faith believe that are given.
It's sort of a known as "The Great Commission"
More or less it means that each person is sent out into the world to make it better, to make a difference, to get busy spreading the message , and to be involved in the world.
The "The Great Commission" is Not really a "Mind your own business" type of commandment
("Why is it Christians always think they have a responsibility to "save")
I dont think you can blame the Christians for attempting to save others
The reason they feel the need to go into all the world and spread their message is that , well, thats kinda the great mission or rather the "Great Commission" that is given all christians to do.
Each Christian is to go into his or her world and teach others
In a way, Prop8 is yet another teaching tool to help people that are in need of it.
Also, I am so sick of the thought-terminating cliché, God made Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve! First off, theres no evidence that Adam and Eve were even people that existed, and I dont believe that they did - gasp! It seems to me to be mythology, a classic creationist story to explain humanity, one created two thousand years ago, when science was not apart of human understanding.
According to the theory of evolution, highly accepted amongst scientists, intellectuals, and much of the public, it seems more likely that God/nature made ape first, and then through natural selection, evolved them into barbaric cavemen who perhaps first identified each other through grunts, or different phonemes and sounds, rather than complex names like Adam or Eve.
And even during the cavemen times, I bet there was lots of gay sex, lots and lots of it. Homosexuality appears all throughout all of human history. Read about Homosexuality in acient Greece or Two-Spirits in Native American cultures. This isnt a new phenomenon. We've just always been such a minority so as to not be granted recognition legally for out love, hence the absence of same-sex marriage, traditionally. But this tradition should evolve, as we deserve the same dignity for our love.
Christians like me appose sin and are angry that people want to teach my children the way to hell and THEN try to say it's "OK". It is not OK. It is sin. God says it is sin. Being white, black, asian, hispanic, etc. is not a sin and discrimination towards these things ARE wrong. It is not discriminatory to stand up against homosexual sin anymore that it is wrong to stand up against porno or murder etc. We are standing up and fighting against SIN.
Porno is an unRELIGIOUS act. Murder is an unLAWFUL act. The difference is porno doesn't impede on an individual's free will, murder does. Church and State are two different realms of legality.
I think that's where gays twists it around. They think just because Christians are against homosexuality that they are saying that God hates gays which is not true at all. God does not hate gays. I repeat, God does not hate gays. He hates the sin and homosexuality in the bible is stated as a sin. A sin is a sin and we all sin everyday.
I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin. In fact, if anything, I believe that homophobia is a sin.
And the current law is homophobic and does not grant equal dignity to gay and lesbian relationships.
You cannot impose your religious opinion and restrict the civil rights of others, and yes it is a civil right, the California Supreme Court has even said it is, when they legalized gay marriage to begin with.
Honestly, I don't care one way or the other but you must realize that in the eyes of God, homosexuality is indeed a sin. Read the bible. He states this. He does not stay state homophobia as a sin, but he does state homosexuality as one. Again, I don't care. I'm not the most religious of anyone but I do know this one.
...."and don't know the Bible well enough to argue from the text...." Arguing from Bible text in a court of law is flawed and contradictory to the Constitution.
It's a shame there has to be this hate in the world. Instead of praying for "yes on 8", lets pray for education of our youth so that we can resolve differences with words not actions.
I saw a yes on 8 supporter beat a no on 8 supporter up and be confrontational. Its a shame some of the yes on 8 voters aren't even old enough to vote and should be sleeping for school. Make me sad to think church members who promote hate and not love.
It's interesting that NO on 8 Supporters want tolerance for rights but all I see is Hate and violence coming from No on 8 supporters and the opposite of tolerance. Regardless of how you feel on Prop 8, its obvious that many No on 8 supporters are actually the ones with hate deep down shown by the violence in the news with destruction of signs, physical abuse, and hate speech.
Looks like the Yes on 8 supporters will win just on sheer example on how to love your neighbor...
Prop 8 is discriminatory against gay people. Stop fronting. Its sad when ignorant people can't see pass there h8te. If you had a gay kid i would feel sad that you wouldn't love them just as much or hope they would find someone compatible to share their life with, but instead teach hate and bigotry. Your bible teach this? Mormons once thought black people were not hard working angels that fell from the earth. How about teaching your kid tolerance and instilling them love and respect and fairness.
ok who ever says no on 8 and the reason why is because its discriminating is full of bull most say yes because thier religion or because they don want thier kids to learn bout that sh** so i dont no why u all tryin to fight or whatever but fighting about it wont chang the other persons mind YES ON 8
it,s sad that the morman church is brain washing the samoan and tongan community to do there evilbidding they should break free of this twisted religion i,m an oakland resident and i,m voting hell no on 8 stop the hate....
Kirk & Madsen's Homo- Agenda psy-ops manifesto admittedly created propaganda employing Chinese Communist mind control techniques, K&M refined the trojan horse strategy of using "anti-discrimination" 2 crush all dissent, & criminalize opposition.
You're only 13. I guess you haven't learned that people don't 'become' gay just because they are exposed to it. It does not work that way.
Gays come from liberal cities San Francisco where homosexuality is more acceptable. But get this, people in the midwest can also 'become' gay. Straight couples and conservative couples can make gays too. Your children will love whoever they want to love. As a parent, you should support them no matter who they love otherwise I hope you never have children.
and why will the world end quickly??? is there some sort of gay disease going around or something??? life will go on living as it has all this year...
Let people be happy and live there lifes don't make people move states just to be happy I think in the bill of rights it says everyone should be treated equal no matter what stupid fucking tradition. This is stupid. I hate it. NO ON 8. Thats right. I said it. You don't have to be gay to vote NO ON 8. This doesn't mean everyone has to be gay. So just deal with it okay.
The religious nuts who want to "protect" marriage are only trying to hide the fact that THEIR marriages are susceptible to abuse and misuse. By attacking the rights of people who are in love, they argue that only their love is true. And by restricting it, it legitimizes the crap they promote. Its deplorable and cynical. All that some people have is the fact that other people can't have it. NEWS FLASH TO YES ON 8: NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS YOU LOST A LONG TIME AGO. GAY COUPLES LIVE HAPPILY IN LOVE.
The sad thing about this whole thing are the people bringing children into this...it's NOT about children! Two men can raise a wonderful child...Two women can raise a wonderful child... But think of the FEMALE crackhead that has sex with a MALE, gets pregnant and trashes their baby in the dumpster!!! I think I would rather have a child grow up with 2 men or 2 women than end up DEAD in a dumpster, or the bottom of the bay...NO ON 8!!!!
The ancient definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman has its basis in biology, not bigotry," As many courts have recognized, the primary societal good advanced by this ancient institution is responsible procreation.
It takes a man and a woman to create children and thus create a family,
Think about it. If it was okay to be gay on earth the world would not be populated with nothing. Im for life and things that want and can create. YES ON 8!
So, if 8 doesn't pass and it's "okay to be gay on earth" does that mean that life will come to an end as we know it?? Just because it's okay to be gay, doesn't mean EVERYBODY is GAY!!! NO ON 8!!!
Gay ppl dont follow the rules of religion or natural earthly order. Its not a union that makes one or anything. The whole bible that they want to get married under is against it .The only reason I can come up with is gay ppl want to be married to be recognized by law, that requires the law to allow same sex couples .
your sentence and logic doesn't follow a natural earthly order. there's other reasons, besides law, that people should consider in allowing gay marriage. such as LOVE.
Lets determine what marriage is and for. Marriage is a part of and originated from religion. Marriage is a Holy union, onto God, between man and woman. It represents a man and woman coming together to make one unit. It is recognized by law that two ppl have come together as one and to be treated accordingly.
This week kindergartners at Faith Ringgold School in Hayward, CA, were asked to sign pledge cards saying they would not use anti-LGBT language.
Parents who felt their children were far too young for such a discussion, most at an average age of 5 who are just learning the basics of reading and writing, were not permitted to opt-out, but instead had to keep their children home.
they're not teaching children what bisexuality is or that they need to change their beliefs or their family's beliefs
they're teaching them that it's not okay to say bad things to a gay person, and I think that's important regardless of your beliefs. Children need to learn that discrimination is not okay.
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SO WHAT! Why is being a leftist even associated with being open minded? Liberal and tree hugging hippies MUST UNDERSTAND that BEING OPPOSED to conservativism ALSO qualifies them as being one sided! I have a BA in sociology and learned in my classes that 1 out of 1,800 people are born hermaphrodites and/or intersexed in variety of ways. BUT, 1 out of 2 people are STILL born either as male or female. I believe in equality between men and women but there is no need for the queer agenda.
IcedCoffee81 4 months ago
No on 8 fags
pimplaylay 1 year ago
I voted YES on prop. 8, to piss off fags! AHAHA!
GothamzJoker 1 year ago
@GothamzJoker real nice asshole
idaman12345 1 year ago
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You lost !!! Deal with it. Join a Mormon singles group, and love life as it should be loved, not like an inmate in the showers.
17britishtools 1 year ago
You lost !!! Deal with it. Join a Mormon singles group, and love life as it should be loved, not like an inmate in the showers.
17britishtools 1 year ago
@17britishtools why would anyone in their right mind want to join an mormon singles group
idaman12345 1 year ago
Our love is stronger than your hate.
hucklecookie 1 year ago
@hucklecookie HAHA AIDS WILL GET U.
feenin4u247 1 year ago
1:54 Lmao Yesonators!
jokamund 1 year ago
Prejudice is not the same as Miscreant ...!
Who do You Want Guard Your Little "Lambs" a Wolf or the Shepard...?
chachapc007 2 years ago
Oh God, I know the girl at 1:28. *facepalm*
Why should anyone take someone else's freedom away? Separation between church and state should be enforced!
catkirk 2 years ago
A real man wouldn't try to involve himself in one's love life. A real man wouldn't ruin thousands of other human beings' lives just for what he wants. A real man wouldn't throw soda at a group of people just for what they believe. A real man wouldn't kill someone for being homosexual. And a real man would keep his opinions to himself, let the world be at peace with one another, and let me love who I want. I love my girlfriend from the depths of my heart and will not give her up for some law. <3
kyuubilinkinpark 2 years ago
Hahaha I was the one who threw that drink at the no on 8 fags.
TriasTheBetrayer 2 years ago
I really hope that one day people can open their cave and understand that their opinion of another's liberty isn't relevant to our freedom because I will always know what my freedom is no matter what policies and laws ensue.
QueerLiberation 2 years ago
Being in love with the same sex is not so much the problem . . . rejecting the love of the opposite sex is when the conundrum is initiated.
Aries041487 2 years ago
at 2:35, I wonder if she is a dyke, hahaha
EFC100t 2 years ago
Fags are reepy.........
Zejawera 2 years ago
no sorry but the narrow minded bigots like you are the real creepy ones
idaman12345 2 years ago
you're the creepy you lesbian bitch you follow me around all over you tube you pice of lesbian shit.
Zejawera 2 years ago
once again I'm not gay you narrow minded creepy bigot
but then again in your little fantasy world 2+2=5 doesnt it?
idaman12345 2 years ago
Ahhh shut up faggot;
How can you faggot poke each other shit out of there asses and yet suck their own shit.
Prop 8 passed just shows ppl that californina still has morality.
Zejawera 2 years ago
prop 8 passed just shos that people bought into the lies by yes on h8
btw why does every yes on h8 people seem to think if your not with them your a "faggot"
idaman12345 2 years ago 2
Go suck a dick faggot shit picker.
Zejawera 2 years ago
hey dumbass not a faggot just openminded
idaman12345 2 years ago
Faggot hahahahhaaaa you're a big time JOTO !!!!!
Zejawera 2 years ago
hey bitch im not a faggot why the hell do you think that?
idaman12345 2 years ago
Cuz a real MAN never will say gay is ok only faggots and fags like you that donnt have the guts to come out of the closet say that fags are ok when is a sin and inmoral.
Zejawera 2 years ago
a real man would not treat his own kind like shit
a real man would not call someone a fag over and over despite the repeated number of times of that someone saying he isnt
a real man would be for equal rights
idaman12345 2 years ago
Actually, only real men would say that gay is okay, because a real man is comfortable in his sexuality. I'm a heterosexual man, and I don't feel that homosexuals are going to invade my mind and force me to have rampant gay sex. Clearly, you do.
nekkidandrew 2 years ago 7
Listen kid go get a job and become a real man not another faggot supporter.
Zejawera 2 years ago
Interesting you'd say that, because I, unlike you, am gainfully employed, and busting my ass to support my family day after day. You, however, are a different story - how many job opportunities are there for the retarded?
Grow a fucking pair and we'll talk.
nekkidandrew 2 years ago
Ahhh stop shoving carrots up your ass faggot, I'm self employed and support a family of my own unlike you fat faggot bastard support other bastard hahahaha kids that ain't even yours. hahahahaha loser.
Zejawera 2 years ago
Actually, I don't believe that you support a family. Because that, sir, would be the mark of a real man, something you know nothing of being. Sorry to shatter your internet illusion in front of everyone.
nekkidandrew 2 years ago
Ahhhhh shut up you fat faggot bastard leave me a lone I'm not a faggot like you I don't eat shit like you.
Zejawera 2 years ago
Now I'm fat, gay, AND illegitimate? Hey, whatever works for you. Say what you will, I'll still be in-shape, well-adjusted, and know who my father is. Same can't be said for you - although I'm sure your mother has it narrowed down to a few repeat customers, paternity tests are expensive, and who'd want to take credit for you anyway?
nekkidandrew 2 years ago
Eat shit faggot hahahahahaa
Zejawera 2 years ago
how do you support a family when you have the maturity of an 11 year old
copmGdawg 2 years ago
It's easy even a cave man can do it, this recession it's only for suckers like you. hahahahaaa faggot.
Zejawera 2 years ago
too bad cavemen r more mature than you
copmGdawg 2 years ago
shut up faggot, prop 8 passed you fags lost
Zejawera 2 years ago
if calling poeple faggots makes you better about yourself then so be it tough computer screen
copmGdawg 2 years ago
yeah its sad that you communists won
idaman12345 2 years ago
shut up commie, prop h8 will be overturned
idaman12345 2 years ago
if only in this world we can have more people like thank you!
oASSAULTo 2 years ago
Thanks! :)
nekkidandrew 2 years ago
@nekkidandrew As a heterosexual man would you allow a gay man to french kiss you? Answer the question.
feenin4u247 1 year ago
@feenin4u247 I've french kissed two of my straight friends... So yes, as heterosexual, or at the very least heavily heterosexual-leaning, some would and do, just as friends. Just like how I could and have french kissed friends of mine that were girls. That doesn't make me straight... Hell, I even have a lesbian friend who had sex with a guy once just for the fun of it. And straight guys and girls do that sometimes too. Who cares? Live and let live.
drewerd107 1 year ago
@feenin4u247, I'm not sure of the relevance of your question, but I'll answer. I would not personally french kiss another man for pleasure or for sexual reasons, no. If one kissed me, I'd stop it, but wouldn't be offended or standoffish about it. Now, if it's on a dare or as a goof, that's a different story, and my answer to that is a resounding absolutely.
nekkidandrew 1 year ago
One thing to note:
Most pro-Gay marriage people dont believe in God.
While I can disagree with people over taxes, or over welfare, or the Iraq war and the national debt, I never doubt that the other person still believes in God.
Yet on the topic of Gay marriage I have noticed that there is a very real connection between being pro-gay and being anti-god.
The more chance you post in support of gay marriage the more chance you will attack the bible too...
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
("The more chance you post in support of gay marriage the more chance you will attack the bible too")
Just check out the COMMENTS !
Its almost a guarantee that when you see a person post a bunch of comments in support of gay marriage that the same person will more than likely also attack faith in Jesus while they are at it too.
To me it seems like being pro-Gay marriage must build a wall between people's hearts and their Lord.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
>Most pro-Gay marriage people dont believe in God.
Simply comparing the % of U.S. Christians to the Yes/No votes would suggest that you are talking out of your ass in order to manipulate your reader.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
Snip, I would NEVER ask you to just take my word for it...Please, PLEASE just check the comments of this video and another of Zennie's on the same topic.
See for yourself sniper,
See for yourself that my statement turns out to be true....right on the nose true!
Let me state this clearly once again...
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Sniper,
What you see when you check is that the people that are posting many times in support will also be the very SAME people that also post things attacking a faith in Jesus Christ.
Now I disagree with many people on many issues, but I am never attacked because of my faith.
I share the same faith in the same Lord as many people I disagree with on all the issues of the day....except for Gay marriage.
Gay marriage seems different for some reason.
It's supporters tend to attack God too
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
What I believe is going on that explains this phenomenon, is this:
That being GAY builds a wall between people and theirt Lord.
A wall build of sin.
And that hiding behind this wall forces people to think "There is no god" because their lifrestyle is such that they know full well they do evil in the sight of the Lord.
Rather than coming to terms with this, they deny the very existence of God in the hope it might be true...
(Its not )
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Are you seriously comparing the Youtube commenter's demographics to the American voter demographics? And you want me to take that at face value as a valuable parallel, sure....
They're not attacking God. They're attacking the belief that religious conviction entitles one to write subjective morality into a secular nation's laws.
(it doesn't)
snipermagoo 2 years ago
("Are you seriously comparing")
Im not sure I used the word "comparing"...
What I mean is this however:
That if you check on this video Comment section, or the other video by Zennie on the same topic , and look at the posters who post the most in support of Gay marriage, you will also note that sooner or later they will also attack a person's faith in God and the Bible.
It always is this way...
At first I thought :
"It must be just on Zennie's videos", but nope. its a trend
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
You weren't specific about Youtube. You generalised with 'pro-gay marriage people' which I took to mean the voting collective, not this particular slice of them.
And yes, what you are noticing is that the non-religious do not have an issue with gay marriage, and they find your second-hand moral stance offensive and vexatious.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
I still believe in the ideas of "My Compromise'.
That the terms "Marriage" and "Civil Union" be used to talk about the people's sexuality.
Nothing need be said about what one is "Better" than the other, just that they are talking about the sexuality of the people in the 2 different legal unions.
Marriage= 2 people of different sex
Civil union = 2 people of the same sex.
just like
Straight = attracted to the opposite sex
Gay = attracted to the same sex.
No hint as to one term being "better"
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Under this type of compromise you would have the same rights as normal Married couples.
Just as a husband has the right to visit his wife in the hospital, so to would one gay "partner" have the right to visit their "partner".
Insurance would be the same, taxes, and child support should the Civil Union be dissolved later.
The term "Marriage" is protected in all of it's traditional understandings (so that people of Faith are happy )and the Gays get their right to form legal unions for life.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
("and the Gays get their right to form legal unions for life")
This is the real goal here anyway for the Gays.
They want to form life-long legal unions that have the full support of law behind them.
The Civil Union would be as fully binding on the two people as a normal Marriage is.
You would need to go to court to get into and out of this type us legal union, as do people when they get married.
Lawyers would be happy, as the break up of a Civil Union is going to be a new "cash cow' for them
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
anyway, this is all just academic anyway, because I do not expect in a million years that one of the Nation's most liberal courts will find in support of the voters....
So it does not matter how many times the American people vote to make their wishes known as long as there still are one or two liberal judges are still in a position to thwart the people's voice .
I think that the people should take steps to open up spots on the 9th high court for new more religiously conservative judges.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
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Lytebrightwc 2 years ago
lol that guy who rode by 'god loves gay ppl too!' that made my day.
mathmexican4234 3 years ago
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YES ON 8 ALL DAY CALIFORNIA DID A GREATT JOB.
I AM A PROUD ASS HOLE GET IT RIGHT GAY IS NOT A CHOICE IT'S WHAT YOUR SICC MIND MAKE YOU THINK THAT and i am tried of people saying they where born gay so you saying god made in perfect people i don't think so.... CONGRADULATIONS ON THE PEOPLE WHO CAME OUT AND VOTE THE RIGHT WAY WHICH WAS yes on 8 and i mean that.one man and one woman let god plan it.. I KNOW YOU GOING TO LASH OUT ON MY COMMENTS SO WHAT I DON'T CARE
MACCAPONE60 3 years ago
I also believe my position is about the same as Obama's
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
ARE YOU SERIOUS? You are honestly comparing homosexuals to child molesters? The glaring difference between the two: child molesters are violating a human's free will, which of course is what this law is doing also. So, in effect, Prop 8 and Child molesters are the same.
DeathEggZone 3 years ago 2
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Kills the fags
ShipThemToAfrica 3 years ago
kill yourself
ixiiioviii 3 years ago
So it's okay to impose on people because you're religion tells you to?
DeathEggZone 3 years ago
("So it's okay to impose on people because you're religion tells you to?")
Yes
Example: Child Molesters or other Sexual deviants.
My faith takes a strong position against such people.
I have no problem with the use of my faith as a guide when I enter the voting booth.
And yes, I bet that stopping a child molester (or other Sexual deviant) from being free to carry on is going to seem as an unfair imposition of my faith into their life
But thats too bad, get over it
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
All sins are equal.....but all sins are equally forgivable. So if you steal a book from a store, it's just as bad as raping babies, but it's Ok. As long as you accept (In cert personal savior here).
RetardedMyth 3 years ago
R.M.
As Im sure we all know, every sin is different and can harm people in very different amounts.
But any sin can bring judgement and cause death.
Even the smallest of sins can cause a wall to form between the person and their Lord.
But it is also true that the answer to every single sin is the very same...The Cross.
The Cross is the one thing that there is, that can cause all our sins to be forgiven.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
I don't need to be "taught" shit, Alan. And yes, I can blame Christians for their "mission". The more people you recruit, the less their is to oppose crap like Prop 8, which is an outright denial of a human's basic free will.
DeathEggZone 3 years ago
("The more people you recruit")
The target is the "Whole World"
For thats how many people were the cause of the cross...seems fitting to me.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Really? You question why people who just had their rights voted on might be rude and pissed off?
Frankly, Alan, I don't give a holy-crap-batman whether *you* acknowledge same-gender marriage or not.
Marriage is a civil union. A legal contract recognized by the state. It became so after the Protestants wrested it from the Catholic Church and turned it into a civil contract and not a religious one. Otherwise, it would have remained a Catholic rite for papists only.
Djbearrob 3 years ago
("A legal contract recognized by the state")
Correct, a marriage is between a man and a woman.
After all, the thing that always is true from both of them is that god made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve...
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Haha Alan, you're so funny. Prove it. Don't tell me to read your bible - I've read it and it is just mythology. It is not the literal truth. Just because you choose to believe in that fantasy.... Prove God made Adam and Eve without resorting to that book of myths.
BTW what about Lilith? Adam's first wife?
I'll believe all the scientific evidence that proves the earth is much older than your book says. I'll believe the fossil record that shows the evolution of mankind.
Djbearrob 3 years ago
("Don't tell me to read your bible")
Djbearrob, you should read your bible...
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
("Prove God") Carl Sagan his prophetic adventure story
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Carl Sagan asks and answers this same question in "Contact", his prophetic adventure story.
In the movie we also see this same question handled in an interesting way.
The two main actors are debateing if God is real or not?
The scientist doubts God is real.
But the church Minister asks her: "Did love your father?"
"What?" "Your Dad, did you love him?"
"Yes, very much" "Prove it"
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There is a YouTube video of this.
sSearch "CONTACT- PROVE YOUR LOVE"
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
1) can't find the video
2) Nice trap, but that's flawed. It doesn't even draw a conclusion, lol.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
("1) can't find the video")
perhaps you could try to GOOGLE for it.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Okay, i did that and all I got was your post, lol. There again, I didn't need to google it when YT has its own search function....which is what you suggested I use, and got nothing.
Regardless, the clip dialogue is presumably what you have typed a bove already. I note that while you addressed 1), you conspicuously didn't address 2).
It doesn't prove god at all.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
("YT has its own search function....which is what you suggested I use, and got nothing.")
I will send you a private message (because the filter here will not allow a web address posted) where I give you the YouTube address for the part of the video I quote...judge for yourself...
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
("It doesn't prove god at all. ")
I dont think I intended that one video clip of a movie was the be-all to end-all for proof of a God.
Rather I think the value of the video clip is to show that God is not like a tree or a rock or a chair, that a person can point to and say, "There it is",,,,or "There it is not"
Rather our Lord is revealed to us by His revelation of Himself to us.
Apart from His act to reveal Himself to us, we will never believe.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Ah, but the mistake the scientist makes is to accept her understanding of love as being of value. Equating experience of love with experience of god is correct....but the trap is that it tries to validate belief in god, whereas all it does is invalidate belief in both.
If you didn't intend it to prove god, don't hand it out as a reply when asked to prove god, lol. I can't point to fairies, either, there's no value in illustrating the point that they aren't there.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
("If you didn't intend it to prove god")
thats right, I dont believe I have ever intended to prove god to someone, Just as I would never attempt to prove I love my children or my wife to somone.
Such as that can ONLY be found in one's own revelation, as it is with understanding that there is infact a God.
It is only known via the Lord's direct revelation to the person.
Thats why it's called 'faith'
Because it is a 'gift" from Him to us, not by our efforts to know of Him.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
So what this means is: that if a person just decided to look for proof of a so-called 'god" in this world, but then also decided not to rely on any type of revelation from this god to be part of his search, then the end result is doomed.
There is no way to know of God aside from His revelation to you about Himself.
Not a matter of books, not a matter is study, not a matter of prayers or singing songs.
Only if He reveals himself to you first will you find faith in him.
Human efforts are doomed
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
And that brings me back to my point that most people that support Gay Marriage in these comments, also tend to attack any faith at all in a God.
The connection is very clear between being Pro-Gay marriage, and being Anti-Christian.
The reason for this?...many I would guess.
Perhaps if you have opened the door to some perversions to enter your life you have had to shut other doors that would have kept you free of such things?
Only God knows in the end why so many Gays attack Him as they do...
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
That's an interesting baseless claim you have there.
Also an interesting persecution complex/strawman.
If you're going to drag god into everything to support your views, you can hardly complain if disagreeing involves opposing your religious beliefs. It's inevitable.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
Yeah, genius and all, except that personal experience doesn't demonstrate anything, not even to oneself.
You wouldn't try to prove your love because you can't. Nobody can. That doesn't mean that because we believe in love (wrongly) that believing in God is justified through the same type of personal experience.
snipermagoo 2 years ago
>thats right, I dont believe I have ever intended to prove god to someone
>("Prove God")
>Carl Sagan his prophetic adventure story
You were saying?
snipermagoo 2 years ago
("you conspicuously didn't address 2).")
I believe I have many times...
But perhaps not in a clear enough manner, if that is the case, then what do you think I need to readdress?
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
("Really? You question why people who just had their rights voted on might be rude and pissed off?")
Do I "question" them?...no
Rather I expect them to act in a manner that they have always acted...
In other words, in a manner thats free of good manners,
free of personal restraint
Free of showing respect to others
Free of Common sense
Free of Maturity
I expect them to attack the church, the Lord, the Bible, the way people dress and what color they are.
I expect them to hate.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
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Gay marriage is NOT the same as interracial marriage because nowhere in the Bible does it say that 2 people of different RACES can't marry. For those thinking,"we passed the interracial marriage prop 50 years ago,"STOP COMPARING THEM. By being so rude in the first place, gays led most people to vote yes. Stopping gay rights wasn't the issue, it was preserving freedom of religion. If gays are to have their rights, then religions are entitled to theirs too. Prop 8 made us choose between the two.
toastershock 3 years ago
"... our past cases at the same time uniformly establish that initiative measures adopted by the electorate are subject to the same constitutional limitations that apply to statutes adopted by the Legislature, and our courts have not hesitated to invalidate measures enacted through the initiative process when they run afoul of constitutional guarantees provided by either the federal or California Constitution."
- From the CA Supreme Court.
It ain't over yet!!
Djbearrob 3 years ago
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE! How hard of a concept is that to grasp?
DeathEggZone 3 years ago
I cant help but notice that all the no on 8 sign holders seemed more enlightened and intelligent.
The yes on 8 supporters seem really angry and uneducated.
Zennie, Why do you think this is?
odessyrcr589 3 years ago
Stick around here a while.
You will soon see that all the "NO" people are some rude things.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
to be rude is one thing.
To be rude and deny one's right to marriage at the same time is a completely other.
odessyrcr589 3 years ago
("To be rude and deny one's right to marriage at the same time is a completely other")
Yes, that would be 2 things...LOL
#1 - Im never rude, so thats off the table.
#2 - Im not denying anyone the right to get married, so thats off the table too
I have no problem with anyone getting married, once you understand that I hold that only a man and a woman can be married.
I dont now nor will I ever recognise a Gay Union as being a true "marriage'
Its the wrong term for what they share.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Now we know how it was with the Nazis.
corbaman 3 years ago
How can I respect anyone's wishes to marry, when they don't want to respect the voters in California (in 2000 and now in 2008) and the very fibers of democracy? Obama said, I believe marriage is between a man and a woman,
California already has Gay right. " California Family Code, section 297.5"
YES on 8 has passed....Democracy has worked, the people voice was heard, Now the Gays are attacking the CHURCH, and it was the Blacks who Voted YES on 8 !!!!!!!!!!
Texkamaka 3 years ago
YES ON 8...WON...HA....HA!!!!
23sally 3 years ago
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THANK YOU YES ON 8 SUPPORTERS
and VOLUNTEERS!
IT WAS AN IMPORTANT VICTORY AND
A GOOD TRAINING!
YES ON 8 PROCREATE!
rojohnrieta 3 years ago
Hey rojohnrieta, I don't know if you happened to notice, but there's no great deficit of people in this world. I fact, we have far too many people as it is. So if your issue with same-sex marriage is that it will encourage adopting children who don't have a home instead of producing still more people in a world monumentally damaged by overpopulation, then it looks like you have nothing to fear. So, why don't we drop the sloganeering and live and let live?
Dedalus0 3 years ago
1:34-1:39 Look at this, this is the kind of people that disgusts me. slow minded individuals that don't even know what they are fighting for. they just follow because they don't know any better. At least the No on 8 people knew what they were fighting for and were lot more friendly.
JCrest87 3 years ago
They're friendly because they are fags.
rudymontes1hater 3 years ago
Your logic is ass
Ahallx 3 years ago 2
Logic is a pretty flower that smells bad
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
But hey who WON this PROP!!!!
23sally 3 years ago
Why is it Christians always think they have a responsibility to "save" those who go against what they believe. If you think being gay is a sin, then don't be gay and leave everybody else alone.
DeathEggZone 3 years ago
DEZ...
(This is just my view...)
But I believe the answer to your question is found in the type of mission that people of Faith believe that are given.
It's sort of a known as "The Great Commission"
More or less it means that each person is sent out into the world to make it better, to make a difference, to get busy spreading the message , and to be involved in the world.
The "The Great Commission" is Not really a "Mind your own business" type of commandment
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
("Why is it Christians always think they have a responsibility to "save")
I dont think you can blame the Christians for attempting to save others
The reason they feel the need to go into all the world and spread their message is that , well, thats kinda the great mission or rather the "Great Commission" that is given all christians to do.
Each Christian is to go into his or her world and teach others
In a way, Prop8 is yet another teaching tool to help people that are in need of it.
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
It's Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
Also, I am so sick of the thought-terminating cliché, God made Adam and Eve; not Adam and Steve! First off, theres no evidence that Adam and Eve were even people that existed, and I dont believe that they did - gasp! It seems to me to be mythology, a classic creationist story to explain humanity, one created two thousand years ago, when science was not apart of human understanding.
drewerd107 2 years ago
According to the theory of evolution, highly accepted amongst scientists, intellectuals, and much of the public, it seems more likely that God/nature made ape first, and then through natural selection, evolved them into barbaric cavemen who perhaps first identified each other through grunts, or different phonemes and sounds, rather than complex names like Adam or Eve.
drewerd107 2 years ago
("rather than complex names like Adam or Eve")
He made Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve!
(Someone didnt pay attention in Sunday school class...LOL)
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
And even during the cavemen times, I bet there was lots of gay sex, lots and lots of it. Homosexuality appears all throughout all of human history. Read about Homosexuality in acient Greece or Two-Spirits in Native American cultures. This isnt a new phenomenon. We've just always been such a minority so as to not be granted recognition legally for out love, hence the absence of same-sex marriage, traditionally. But this tradition should evolve, as we deserve the same dignity for our love.
drewerd107 2 years ago
("even during the cavemen times, I bet there was lots of gay sex")
Yes, one of the first stories ever recorded about modern man is found in Genesis 4:9 with the cold-blooded murder of one brother by his own brother.
Sin, as you point out Drew, is a basic flaw of our human race, and has been for a long time.
Left on our own, the human race is nonredeemable being so consumed with it's own degeneration.
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Christians like me appose sin and are angry that people want to teach my children the way to hell and THEN try to say it's "OK". It is not OK. It is sin. God says it is sin. Being white, black, asian, hispanic, etc. is not a sin and discrimination towards these things ARE wrong. It is not discriminatory to stand up against homosexual sin anymore that it is wrong to stand up against porno or murder etc. We are standing up and fighting against SIN.
valstc 3 years ago
discrimination.....can kiss myy.......
23sally 3 years ago
Porno is an unRELIGIOUS act. Murder is an unLAWFUL act. The difference is porno doesn't impede on an individual's free will, murder does. Church and State are two different realms of legality.
DeathEggZone 3 years ago
I think that's where gays twists it around. They think just because Christians are against homosexuality that they are saying that God hates gays which is not true at all. God does not hate gays. I repeat, God does not hate gays. He hates the sin and homosexuality in the bible is stated as a sin. A sin is a sin and we all sin everyday.
StylistecS 2 years ago
I believe you have hit the nail on the head with that post!
Good job!
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin. In fact, if anything, I believe that homophobia is a sin.
And the current law is homophobic and does not grant equal dignity to gay and lesbian relationships.
You cannot impose your religious opinion and restrict the civil rights of others, and yes it is a civil right, the California Supreme Court has even said it is, when they legalized gay marriage to begin with.
SEPARATION OF CHURCH AND STATE
drewerd107 2 years ago
("I believe that homophobia is a sin.")
Got a verse that supports that idea?
And, does the Bible really say that the gays dont enter into the Kingdom?
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
("I don't believe that homosexuality is a sin")
still looking for a verse to support that view I take it?...LOL
and I never got an answer to my question...I wonder why not?
AlanMolstad 2 years ago
Honestly, I don't care one way or the other but you must realize that in the eyes of God, homosexuality is indeed a sin. Read the bible. He states this. He does not stay state homophobia as a sin, but he does state homosexuality as one. Again, I don't care. I'm not the most religious of anyone but I do know this one.
StylistecS 2 years ago
So how did this vote end up?
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
You didn't win anything. This will just become a civil suit and then people like you will be remembered as bigots.
iladeedahhh 3 years ago 2
I live in California and I say Yes on 8
HippoKissez 3 years ago
YES ON 8
ben321cba 3 years ago
YES ON 8
mashenikaa 3 years ago
("AlanMolstad ur an idiot")...
Typical of the type who cant debate ideas and dont know the Bible well enough to argue from the text, so they just make personal attacks.
If you find a point I have made in this long comment section that you think is not based on the Text then bring it up
But as others have learned, Im not offended by snotty kid's comments
after all the internet is filled with such junk and we all have come to expect it.
(But Im glade Zennie is on patrol here too)
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
...."and don't know the Bible well enough to argue from the text...." Arguing from Bible text in a court of law is flawed and contradictory to the Constitution.
DeathEggZone 3 years ago
DEZ,
Im not in a court of law right now...LOL
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
It's a shame there has to be this hate in the world. Instead of praying for "yes on 8", lets pray for education of our youth so that we can resolve differences with words not actions.
No on 8! Keep California happy, equal and fair!
Julesmarie 3 years ago
I saw a yes on 8 supporter beat a no on 8 supporter up and be confrontational. Its a shame some of the yes on 8 voters aren't even old enough to vote and should be sleeping for school. Make me sad to think church members who promote hate and not love.
iladeedahhh 3 years ago 3
It's interesting that NO on 8 Supporters want tolerance for rights but all I see is Hate and violence coming from No on 8 supporters and the opposite of tolerance. Regardless of how you feel on Prop 8, its obvious that many No on 8 supporters are actually the ones with hate deep down shown by the violence in the news with destruction of signs, physical abuse, and hate speech.
Looks like the Yes on 8 supporters will win just on sheer example on how to love your neighbor...
Yes on 8!!
mattsmith 3 years ago
Prop 8 is discriminatory against gay people. Stop fronting. Its sad when ignorant people can't see pass there h8te. If you had a gay kid i would feel sad that you wouldn't love them just as much or hope they would find someone compatible to share their life with, but instead teach hate and bigotry. Your bible teach this? Mormons once thought black people were not hard working angels that fell from the earth. How about teaching your kid tolerance and instilling them love and respect and fairness.
iladeedahhh 3 years ago
ok who ever says no on 8 and the reason why is because its discriminating is full of bull most say yes because thier religion or because they don want thier kids to learn bout that sh** so i dont no why u all tryin to fight or whatever but fighting about it wont chang the other persons mind YES ON 8
sweethoney321 3 years ago
He made them Adam and Eve, not Adam and Steve...
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
it,s sad that the morman church is brain washing the samoan and tongan community to do there evilbidding they should break free of this twisted religion i,m an oakland resident and i,m voting hell no on 8 stop the hate....
oaklandlatinosunited 3 years ago
Kirk & Madsen's Homo- Agenda psy-ops manifesto admittedly created propaganda employing Chinese Communist mind control techniques, K&M refined the trojan horse strategy of using "anti-discrimination" 2 crush all dissent, & criminalize opposition.
HeteroDefenseLeague 3 years ago
NOOO ON 8!!! Everyone is equal!!! If u people dont like it and ur a guy, suck a dick and if ur a girl lick a va JJ...
xxxskatehixxx 3 years ago
even though im only 13 i still want 8 to pass because I don't want my child to learn that he can marry a man or she can marry a woman.
YES on 8 because if everyone is gay, the world will end very quickly.
i dont have a problem with gay people, but its just NOT RIGHT!
ImNoEmoKid 3 years ago
That's completely contradictory.
You obviously have a problem with gay people, because if you didn't you wouldn't say "its just NOT RIGHT!"
If everyone is gay? You must be fucking joking me. I'm not even going to explain this to you
Hellooli 3 years ago 2
You're only 13. I guess you haven't learned that people don't 'become' gay just because they are exposed to it. It does not work that way.
Gays come from liberal cities San Francisco where homosexuality is more acceptable. But get this, people in the midwest can also 'become' gay. Straight couples and conservative couples can make gays too. Your children will love whoever they want to love. As a parent, you should support them no matter who they love otherwise I hope you never have children.
marcoisarockstar 3 years ago
i couldn't have put it better myself...thanks!
kimber8002 3 years ago
and why will the world end quickly??? is there some sort of gay disease going around or something??? life will go on living as it has all this year...
kimber8002 3 years ago
Let people be happy and live there lifes don't make people move states just to be happy I think in the bill of rights it says everyone should be treated equal no matter what stupid fucking tradition. This is stupid. I hate it. NO ON 8. Thats right. I said it. You don't have to be gay to vote NO ON 8. This doesn't mean everyone has to be gay. So just deal with it okay.
Nattyluvu 3 years ago
LMFAO on 2:55 "i love gay people too!" lol
ramboishiyang 3 years ago
The religious nuts who want to "protect" marriage are only trying to hide the fact that THEIR marriages are susceptible to abuse and misuse. By attacking the rights of people who are in love, they argue that only their love is true. And by restricting it, it legitimizes the crap they promote. Its deplorable and cynical. All that some people have is the fact that other people can't have it. NEWS FLASH TO YES ON 8: NO MATTER WHAT HAPPENS YOU LOST A LONG TIME AGO. GAY COUPLES LIVE HAPPILY IN LOVE.
tromar 3 years ago
Rofl. So..if two men got married. How would that directly affect me? Hmmm... ..... ..... ......
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Oh I got it, it wouldn't affect me at all. I thought for a sec I was going to fall over and explode if those two men got married. Whew thats a relief.
weirdos. Go complain about something that affects the physical well being of humans.
ethdude 3 years ago
Yes on 8!!!!! Yes on 8!!!!! Can't wait for this garbage to be over with! Go yes on prop 8!
HobbitFan92 3 years ago
The sad thing about this whole thing are the people bringing children into this...it's NOT about children! Two men can raise a wonderful child...Two women can raise a wonderful child... But think of the FEMALE crackhead that has sex with a MALE, gets pregnant and trashes their baby in the dumpster!!! I think I would rather have a child grow up with 2 men or 2 women than end up DEAD in a dumpster, or the bottom of the bay...NO ON 8!!!!
kimber8002 3 years ago
The ancient definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman has its basis in biology, not bigotry," As many courts have recognized, the primary societal good advanced by this ancient institution is responsible procreation.
It takes a man and a woman to create children and thus create a family,
Please Vote YES on prop 8.
toastershock 3 years ago
they need to keep their freedom out of our religion..
YES ON 8!
waffledolphin 3 years ago
HHHHHHHHHhellllllllllllll Naw!
Think about it. If it was okay to be gay on earth the world would not be populated with nothing. Im for life and things that want and can create. YES ON 8!
bossyNandi 3 years ago
So, if 8 doesn't pass and it's "okay to be gay on earth" does that mean that life will come to an end as we know it?? Just because it's okay to be gay, doesn't mean EVERYBODY is GAY!!! NO ON 8!!!
kimber8002 3 years ago 2
Gay ppl dont follow the rules of religion or natural earthly order. Its not a union that makes one or anything. The whole bible that they want to get married under is against it .The only reason I can come up with is gay ppl want to be married to be recognized by law, that requires the law to allow same sex couples .
bossyNandi 3 years ago
your sentence and logic doesn't follow a natural earthly order. there's other reasons, besides law, that people should consider in allowing gay marriage. such as LOVE.
tromar 3 years ago
Lets determine what marriage is and for. Marriage is a part of and originated from religion. Marriage is a Holy union, onto God, between man and woman. It represents a man and woman coming together to make one unit. It is recognized by law that two ppl have come together as one and to be treated accordingly.
bossyNandi 3 years ago
Its weird how much gods hates me.
davesdaname 3 years ago
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thats why im voting yes on 8
IIIxIRONMANxII 3 years ago
("different because no one is trying to ban feathers")
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I rake up feathers on the floor and put them in garbage bags.
The Native Dancer treated the feathers as if it were a very important part of his Faith and Traditions.
Even a feather that fell to the floor during the dance was respected as holy.
Would it be right for me to try to force the Dancer to treat his Eagle feathers as I treat my chicken feathers?
I could say, "They are all equal, should be treated the same"
AlanMolstad 3 years ago
no on 8!
i think ahead
i would want my child accepted and with the ability to marry
[just in case]
but either way
equallity for all
and i am tired
of the discrimination
eliamimi14 3 years ago
it's everybody's neighborhood you hating white chick yes on 8
harleybayo 3 years ago
yes on 8 all the way
songs4christ 3 years ago
This week kindergartners at Faith Ringgold School in Hayward, CA, were asked to sign pledge cards saying they would not use anti-LGBT language.
Parents who felt their children were far too young for such a discussion, most at an average age of 5 who are just learning the basics of reading and writing, were not permitted to opt-out, but instead had to keep their children home.
What is LGBT? Lesbian Gay Bisexual Transgender
A 5 year old needs to understand bisexuality? NOT
VOTE YES on 8!!!
justathought3 3 years ago
they're not teaching children what bisexuality is or that they need to change their beliefs or their family's beliefs
they're teaching them that it's not okay to say bad things to a gay person, and I think that's important regardless of your beliefs. Children need to learn that discrimination is not okay.
Vote No on Prop. 8
pepperrrr 3 years ago