That is one ARROGANT atheist... The proof WAS presented: CREATION. The proof is all around us. P.S.: If you're gonna reply to me, do not JUMP all over me saying I called all atheists arrogant because if you're smart, you'll understand I was talking about ONE person, not all...
@gat0rgirl13 They both gave very valid reasons explaining God's existence. I encourage you to watch their comments. Maybe it just wasn't "scientific" for them ... And it's not that they didn't give evidence, it's that those two refuse to believe it because they're so stuck on being incredulous. (no offense to you, they (kelly and brian) are just REALLY stubborn)
@RunColorado100 you just called carl sagan, bertrand russell, benjamin franklin, sigmund freud, ayn rand, kurt vonnegut, and ernest hemingway, not to mention a million others, fools. check the mirror before you call the kettle black
@gat0rgirl13 So be it..A fool says in his heart there is no God...These are just men and by the Way Sigmund Freud was a coke addict and Ernest Hemingway committed suicide and only 1% of the population are atheists...so billions believe in God...not a good argument....
@RunColorado100 just very smart men that contributed alot. Doing drugs has nothing to do with intelligence and neither does suicide, religious people also do these things. However there is a correlation between being less religious and being intelligent. The fact that billions believe in god does not make it any more true, that isnt a good argument. it actually helps my argument in that there are fewer atheists in the world and also fewer intelligent people in the world.
@gat0rgirl13 Wow this is the problem with atheists and their arrogance...Obviously you are not very smart... Intelligence and belief in God have no correlation with each other either way, thinking that you are so smart and the Others are dumb for believing in God...just shows me you need to put people down to feel better..if you say you are smart and look around at the earth and the Universe and cannot immediately know God exists..then you are not intelligent..only a fool..
@RunColorado100 statistics do show a direct correlation that is a fact! I never claimed to be smart and i never said you were dumb, stop pulling shit out of your ass.
im currently reading the bible starting from genesis im on psalms right now, that is why im an atheist. if you want people to become theists dont tell them to read the bible, just tell them to only read the stuff they like to hear.
@gat0rgirl13 Could you please direct me to those studies and what is it based on...lol..you are obviously pulling rabbits out of a hat...lol...There are studies regarding meditation and praying that helps people become more creative and have greater performance in sports...but ..Studies showing people who believe in God and not being smart has nothing to do with anything...it has to do with access to education, economics and many factors...you are just pulling my leg..
@gat0rgirl13 Like I said a fool says in his Heart there is no God...Atheists have existed since Biblical times...there is nothing new under the sun...but here is a challenge...I challenge you to read the Bible from cover to cover and see what happens..
@RunColorado100 if you look at the earth and think a god did it because it just looks so perfect, and so elegant that it must be designed you are just giving a typical god of the gaps argument.
@gat0rgirl13 What God of the Gaps?..if you where smart you would know that Christian institutions promoted science ....and nobody is saying for you not to think or to used God instead of thinking ..but obviously if you bothered to read the Bible this is a fallen world...before the fall before Adam and Eve disobeyed God..it was perfect before the fall..but we see an earth that is dying and human race that is destroying itself..and everyone feels like something is wrong with the world
The church promotes science now to avoid looking like idiots, but centuries ago the church burned people for saying that the sun was the center of the universe and that the earth wasn't flat. Today most churches deny evolution.
People do not become atheists so they have the freedom to sin that is SLANDER and a LIE! I became an atheist because i could not justify the atrocities in the bible, the killing of innocents and enslaving others.
@gat0rgirl13 Well then why are you an Atheists my Russian friends, told me that in atheists Russia Alone 50 million people where killed and many other millions in communist atheistic countries...not even 1% percent of what so called Christians..(if you bothered to read the Bible you would know which are the real Christians by their fruits) in the name of God did compares to Atheists...so stop living in a dream world if you why don't you read history specially of Russia to start..
@RunColorado100 Atheists rationalize and God laughs. I laugh too, it's kinda funny lol! God bless you brother. And don't worry, if they get so caught up in science and "reason", it'll all cease one day, for the bible says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Christ is Lord... just pray so that God opens their spiritual eyes and hearts because they need Him no matter how much they don't wanna accept it.
@NJDominicana246 Ray didnt give any reasons for god's existence. Ray says "if you seek God you will surely find him with your whole heart" that doesnt count as proof to me, its just ray saying what has been passed down to him by his parents and so forth. if ray had been born in iran he'd be preaching islam.
@gat0rgirl13 That wasn't all that he said... And anyways, being raised in a specific faith doesn't mean you HAVE to follow it. Thousands of people were raised in different faiths and CHOOSE to follow Christ (and sadly vice-versa) so your point is invalid. Atheists make up only 2% of the world's population so there's really not much of a challenge. An overwhelming majority of the world's pop. agrees that God exists.
@NJDominicana246 "Thousands of people were raised in different faiths and CHOOSE to follow Christ (and sadly vice-versa)"
Thats not my point, my point was RAY only believes what he's told to believe. This person you adore so much could just as easily be preaching islam.
look think about it, if your parents were muslim you'd be muslim. if your parents were hindu you'd be hindu. it is by sheer accident that you are a christian
@gat0rgirl13 AND, on another note, Kirk Cameron brought up something that is pretty darned fundamental to our argument. Charles Darwin CLEARLY stated that if there were no fossil tracks found within 100 years that back up the theory that it should've been discarded. Yet skeptics continue to use this as a "reason" to question God's existence. Evolution is a fraud and BILLIONS of us don't buy it... sorry.
@NJDominicana246 if you discount 3rd world countries and just consider the developed world (the smarter world) the number of atheist would be much higher. (Sweden 80%, Japan 60%, Norway 72%, France 54%) besides they dont all believe in your god some believe in thor or shiva. just bc you have the majority doesnt make you right.
evolution has transition fossils. Even the catholic church accepts evolution, and so many other christians.
@gat0rgirl13 Oh, gimme a break. So I mentioned India all of a sudden the belief in God prevails highly JUST in developing countries? No offense but that is one of the most IGNORANT things I have heard in my LIFE. What about America, honey? There are STILL an overwhelming amount of Christians in America. And no, there aren't ENOUGH transition fossils to prove that it's completely true. That's why it's still called a THEORY, not a FACT.
@NJDominicana246 No you misunderstood. Im not saying belief in god is only in developing countries. Belief in god is very common in America and a few others developed countries too. I agree with you there, but i am saying a great deal of the world's believers come from developing countries.
@NJDominicana246 Evolution was not developed to question god. It is a scientific theory based on sound factual evidence to explain why life is so diverse on earth.
@gat0rgirl13 I'm not SAYING it was developed to question God (though actually Darwin's skepticism has a lot to do with him coming up with the theory), I'm saying it's being USED today as a method of questioning God.
@NJDominicana246 yes evolution does get people to question, but i dont see why questioning is a bad thing - about science, religion, or anything.
I dont think it was Darwin's skepticism that led him to the theory. Darwin was very religious before he developed the theory of evolution. When he discovered it he couldn't believe anymore. So it wasnt Darwin's skepticism --> evolution. But rather, evolution --> darwin's skepticism.
@NJDominicana246 In science theories are as close as it gets to fact. Science will never give absolutes, therefore theories will never become fact. However theories are tested many, many times if even the slightest bit of evidence contradicts it the theory will be modified or disregarded completely. Hypotheses undergo rigorous testing and modifying, with support from observable facts to then reach the status of a theory. We still call the germ theory of disease a theory
@gat0rgirl13 And I'm sorry, just one more thing, what does being born in Iran have anything to do with your faith? What about the people born in India? Are they all Hindus? No. What about those born in Italy? Are they all Catholic? No. Seriously, just because your parents teach you something doesn't mean it'll dictate your spiritual judgment for life. THAT'S called being religious. Following Christ because you wholeheartedly believe in Him? THAT'S called faith.
@gat0rgirl13 and there is...but atheists only think its our evolutionist behavior that is destroying the planet...atheists cannot recognize God...because they want to freedom to sin...without being accountable to anyone...and that is the bottom line...
She. Gets really mad. Past trying to disprove God. She's angry about the idea of God. I think there's alittle more then reason and logic working inside her. My prayers go out to you kelly.
@cmkcis Yeah I saw that too...however in most conversations with atheist it's the same thing...it's there belief...just like a christian believes there is a God they BELIEVE there is No God.They have a belief system too. think about it? But atheist are cruel when this topic rises. But the bible says that, a man that says there is no God in his heart is a fool. the bible also says trying to explain God doesn't work..because they are not spiritual.
@jntcollege you have missed the point entirely, Atheists do not believe there is NO god we believe the is no evidence of god apart from the bible. Atheists don't rely on faith therefore we need evidence to justify our beliefs/ Not hearsay and a book that was written by a bunch of bronze age uneducated Arabs. there are plenty of atheists that are spiritual just none that are supernatural.
@Freestylar FAITH? So at the CORE of evolutionary 'science' is dark matter/energy (a hypothetical UNOBSERVED concept to help big bang theory work). Abiogenesis - assuming a fully functional self-replicating molecule - yet never created in labs (with intelligence nevermind by random matter and chance) and UNOBSERVED. Two big leaps of faith required - never mind the other problems discussed.
Look science doesn't claim to have all the answers, the theory of Evolution still has gaps to be explained these thing may not happen in our life time but they will most likely happen. I am not a physicist or a biologist nor are you how ever we don't have to be to make rational decisions about life. Religion which is completely based of Faith which is belief without a rational reason is in-itself not rational or logical therefore it is not backed by any distinguished scientist.
@Freestylar "Faith (religious) which is belief without a rational reason" - this is not true. The fields of history and archaeology provide millions of lines of evidence to support the claims of Jesus Christ. See the video I posted on my channel - this is based on scholarly consensus and phenomenon we still observe today. The supporting evidence for Jesus FAR outweighs anything against or evidence for other religions. So if Jesus is who He says, it's a life or death decision we make about Him.
@MrAliyak Ok so i watched the video checked the website and all i can say is wow, if you did create this you not only wasted my time but you wasted yours as well. Your video claims to be backed by a scholarly consensus but you have given ABSOLUTELY NO sources except the bible(new and old testament). your whole video is based on broad predictions which fit many of the so called messiahs of that time. There is no contemporary account of Jesus's life.
@Freestylar Now you would have been told this already of you didn't disable the comments and rating on your crappy video. Also you might wanna look up Faith in the dictionary. Finally Don't claim to have evidence by citing fundamental religious sites that's just retarded.
Atheism is, in a broad sense is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities, question do you believe that? to have a belief system is not the problem is what you believe. I GET IT. However what if I say evidence of the existence of God is creation? that falls under Relative thinking because you cannot tell me that this type of thinking is wrong based off of my perspective. Which draws me to one conclusion. WE Will see in the end. and IF i'm wrong no worries. but what if your wrong?!
@jntcollege Look up Pascal's Wager, This is the argument your using. Pascal's Wager is one of the most flawed and illogical arguments you can use. Now if you don't want to look it up here is the gist of it, Pascals Wager only works if there is two possible outcomes which there is not. There are thousands of different religions which I'm not going to list for you because you can Google it. So what if your Wrong i don't claim to be right Atheism is just a rational understanding of life
The issue is right or wrong, yes or no, there either is a God or not. Your point is never going to be concluded based off your argument. my last statement was very simple you made it complicated don't confuse your self with large statements. God or not? that is the issue at hand. when ppl say rational the ONLY thing that is ABSOLUTELY rational is math. EVERYTHING else is based off of faith, belief and relativism. Science even changes it never is Absolute.
@jntcollege There is a couple of things you seem to be confused with here. 1st sentence you just stated Pascal's wager again i told you to look it up. I am not confusing my self i am trying to be thorough in my arguments. The last thing i want you do to is misinterpret my argument because is too basic. The quote is "Math is the only Absolute science". Creating a theory require some faith however accepting said theory only requires conclusive demonstrable evidence for me to accept it.
From a christian perspective, yes you are right that argument stands...and in many other religions to. Simply because most religions have some consequence for lack of belief..if not the definition of sin. However faith is different from belief system, and you can believe something religiously. WHAT you believe can be abrogated, corrected and tamed. Based off of society and culture, and fact. NO one can prove there is No God. that is a system of belief. No matter how you try and frame it!
I'd like to ask... what is more humble than someone who says "I don't know". How many thiests, of any faith, are ever heard saying "I don't know" (unless its to try to explain why God allows horrible things to happen)
only a fool would deny the living god, who knows all things ,you people don,t know what you are dealing with, if your an atheist as the bible says you are a fool .
It will be soon then later that every single person will bow before christ an just say athiests are right, and christians, are wrong then it won,t do the christians any harm trying to be better people with good morals ect however if christians are right atheist are wrong dangerously wrong and will face the conserquences of that belief thank god hes in control, bible prophecy has been 100 percent accurate throughout the ages.
god is bigger then logic,and religion ,how sad is it that people can be so intellectial and dum at the same time thats why the bible says that god chooses the foolish of the world to teach the wise thats evidence in it self that god is real and who do these people think they are that can challenage the living god what arogance .
@mrwarren1967 this is what's called circular reasoning...
you claim knowledge of god because the bible claims to give it. you believe in the bible because it's supposedly the word of god. you believe the bible is the word of god because god is the supposed divine author. you believe god is the divine author because the bible claims to have knowledge of god.
There has been a lot of bad done in the name of religion. "Logically" thinking people have created ways to exploit what Jesus taught. All I know is that my relationship with Jesus Christ has changed my life. He gives me such peace, such joy, such hope. The world around me can be total chaos, but at my core there is His joy. Thank you Lord Jesus! I look for you soon. (the book of Revelation is being played out as we speak) "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God".
@sialajrlaufau I would ask you to give convincing evidence that would give reason to believe in a god, but no one has been able to do that for thousands of years and I've already grown tired of waiting.
If you want to go by facts, one that cannot be denied is how Christianity is spreading, and I'm not talking about the crusades, I'm talking about today. Pay attention to what is going on in China. Check out Africa, how people have been raised from the dead. It comes down to miracles, and people being drawn in by His love. If you want to see if God is real, don't wait till something comes up. Go and do your research, because there is plenty of evidence. Tip: watch The Finger of God:)
@emporroll134 For uneducated idiots, that's probably true. The rest of us understand that the assertion that a lack of belief in a deity, or that a theory backed by mountains of evidence require faith is naive at best and incredibly stupid at worst. Lots of stupid people think that claiming that all are equivalent is the same as being objective, in fact it's just intellectual laziness and political correctness.
2nd comment: say for instance i make the statement, "Heaven exists." It may be true, but there's no empirical or rational means to test this out. So, acceptance on this kind of view is more of a faith rather than scientific verification. The purpose of scientific research is to not establish truths, but to accumilate more accurate, consistent explanations of why things happen based on observation and testing.
1st comment: For any one thinking science is about faith, Kelly say's that's not true and she is absolutely right. The process of scientific proof or ideas is critically scrutinized, called peer reviewing. When scientists start with a hypothesis, it must have the possibility of falsification because any process of that is only stated as absolute is not a scientific hypothesis and should never be considered as such.
What some people see as God "revealing himself"... the rest of us call...thinking. That's all it is...you...inside your own mind, talking to yourself. It's nice to feel special and chosen, but I don't want to lose all sense of reality and spend my life grovelling to a bronze age mythical man in the sky to achieve happiness. It sound like a nightmare!
Never say an evolutionist "you are wrong", he immediatly thinks you are a religious person, never use logic and common sense with him, he will say that you are the one who lacks of those, and finally dont waste time with him, there is no God for them, let him be happy as he lives, it is all what he has. when he become too proud in his ignorance, let's flog him with knowledge, not in order to teach him knowledge, but in order to cause him more wrath and confusion.
By watching each person's demeanor, you can see who really believes what they are saying. Defensiveness is the first red flag. The more worked up a person becomes, the more you see their fear standing out. Kelly is a scared little girl lost in a great big world and knows her "truth" is crumbling before her eyes.
@rollapskates God's action with the egyptians was a one-time event, which stopped the continuing killing by Pharaoh; Pharaoh's program was every day, every year, every decade... In all your cases God was showing us consequences for our actions and that we brought these things on ourselves by our evil decisions
and as for people killin babies in the bible that God ordered. those nations were corrupt! they had to be wiped out baby, grown up and even animals. if not, all of the land would be destroyed by that nation. remember Gods ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts isaiah 55:8. we cannot fathom the thoughts or even the LOVE of God. he knows the end from the beginning. we do not. we cannot compare what we humans feel to what God feels and what he knows.
Your whole last post was apologetics for the evils you know exist in the Bible. You expect people to blindly & dumbly wait in resignation for some "wonderful plan" to come to fruition which will somehow justify all the baby killing & genocide the Bible & it's Judeo/Christian God approves of. If your religion & God had any moral credibility most of its revered heroes & figures would not exactly resemble its villains & antagonists. So stop calling Atheists sinners you hypocrite.
MY CLOSING REMARK: i'd rather die today believing in God and living a great life with respect and purity and finding out there is nothing for me in the end. than live another 100 thousand years disproving and not believing and criticzing the good hearted poeple and a true honest God and finding out that there is a God (and spending eternity in hell).
@BFFFL16 so what your saying is you cant be a good person if you don't believe in god? i'll tell you what, go and ask an atheist if they would ever consider in any circumstance killing a baby to be moral, and then go and read your bible and look at how many times your god has murdered and ordered the murder of babies then say that people who take their morals from a baby killer are more moral than those that do not
@BFFFL16 all athiest arent bad poeple even though most people in general agree with abortion. athiest or not. its more than u know. and "My God" in the bible he told his people told murder the baby? read the whole story. he told abraham to murder isaac as a sacrifice unto him then STOPPED him right before abraham could lower the knife toward isaacs chest and honored/blessed abe becuz of his faithfulness to him. u are supposed to forsake all for God. when u do, he keeps those closer to u.
@TheNarcMan A few hundred years ago it was normal to marry young. The young women not killed would have been given to young husbands..
Lets not forget you cant take a verse out of context, you must read it from the beginning to truly understand it.
The people killed were evil in the eyes of God, they did not want to live a life with God and he promised to the Jews the promised land. He had to take it from the other fallen tribes. Be glad God doesn't slay those who trespass against him now..
@TheNarcMan I never said that, I said It was normal. AKA most married young regardless.
Thing is God is God, he kinda made everything. Even if you don't understand that, he has every right to take away life, he gave it to us in the first place.
If you spent more time analysing the bible in context it would make more sense than taking a phase or sentence and throwing it out there. Well obviously God condones w/e.
Everybody has choice, without it we would be robots. I am glad I choose him.
@TheNarcMan I never said that, I said It was normal. AKA most married young regardless.
Thing is God is God, he kinda made everything. Even if you don't understand that, he has every right to take away life, he gave it to us in the first place.
If you spent more time analysing the bible in context it would make more sense than taking a phase or sentence and throwing it out there. Well obviously God condones w/e.
Everybody has choice, without it we would be robots. I am glad I choose him.
@TheNarcMan Everyone married/partnered young . That verse doesn't say for the old men, it was for the young boys to marry young.
God made all people and those people rebelled against God and his law knowing full well what he had asked. He has the right to take away what he has made.
We all have a choice and I respect yours to believe in anything you want. But I can say I am grateful I can choose God over all other things in this world. He is my strength and has blessed me infinitely.
"than live another 100 thousand years disproving and not believing and criticzing the good hearted poeple and a true honest God and finding out that there is a God (and spending eternity in hell).
#SafeThanSorry"
There is no moral integrity or honesty behind this. Do you think your God would be dumb enough to fall for a show of piety out of fear of hell & self interest? People who do right because they think someone is watching them are not really doing right at all. Atheists are though
atheist are their own god because they think they can do what they want and want to push their communist ways on people. God does exist and He will judge you for rejecting the truth and walking all over the blood of Christ if you do not repent!!!
Christianity has more in common with communism than secular democracy and free trade. Do I really need to explain that to you? Didn't Christ want all humanity to come together? Didn't he attack commerce being in the temple? Didn't he forbid giving loans in interest? Doesn't being a Christian give you a self righteous feeling of total morality meaning us "pagans and heathens" who are our own Gods shouldn't be trusted with making up morals and voting democratically? Go to Iran you God nut.
@TheNarcMan Christianty has nothing to do with communism they have killed more Christians just because we believe in a Loving God who came into this messed up world and died for me and you, so how can you hate a True God that loves you that took all of our sins upon Himself. Just because atheist thinks theres no God does not change the fact that God is! I hope you will see the truth before its to late.
Iran would suit someone like you much more than a secular western democracy. If all the Jesus freaks and other religions left America it would begin to become one of the world's highest in living standards just like the other secular democracies mentioned in global studies like Scandinavian countries, UK, Australia and New Zealand. People like Ray Comfort and Ken Ham had to leave Australia and New Zealand because we don't want their extreme stupidity damaging science and democracy.
"God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble," this is the sort of retro active self justification that religion has had thousands of years to perfect. Even then they haven't managed to answer every logical question with a convoluted, childish response. That's why Banana Man here and his sidekick the Crocoduck Kid still look foolish trying to answer science's new questions.
Heads up fellas, science and its questions will never stop growing in number and power. What about religion?
@infojluna1 Yeah it matters because I have no idea what you're talking about. Infact I'm surprised at how this woman kept her cool throughout the whole debate because kirk and the other guy spent the whole debate preaching instead of giving actual evidence.
If you pay close attentions to her demeanor; and comments she makes, it's very unprofessional. And you said it does matter why? Does it emotionally disturb you that a comment is being made on an open board that is NOT about you? Hmm. 2 be honest, I'm a theist and I view this "debate" on both sides loosely constructed. And frankly shouldn't matter whether preaching or teaching, both sides had facts at which point they couldn't answer. I couldn't answer because i'm not a debator.
You think Kelly's unprofessional? Kirk and Ray brought fire and brimstone to an intellectual debate specifically after agreeing at the start they wouldn't use religion or the bible to prove their points. But they did because that's all they have. The only other thing close to rationale or logic they used was disjointed philosophies that still don't prove anything unlike science and evolution. Stop trying to sabotage western civilization to justify your bedtime stories please.
As for "both sides had facts at which point they couldn't answer."?
That's because the rational response side spoke for science but they're not scientists. Real scientists rarely have the time or energy to argue with people who believe cultivated bananas prove God or think evolution means crocoducks in the fossil record. One half decent scientist would've owned in their place. If you can't argue Ray or Kirk's points it coz they're so crazy & don't even make enough sense to dignify.
@infojluna1 Not about me? What? Why would I care, I was talking about the woman in the debate. The "frankly it shouldn't matter" comment shows your bias towards Kirk/Ray. "both sides had facts at which point they couldn't answer" What are you talking about? xD Like what? (for the rational response team) Kirk/Ray spent the beginning of the lecture trying to put God in the gaps of science and had a very childish way of trying to prove it, not scientific at all, they spent the rest preaching.
@infojluna1 And I don't understand what's so "unprofessional" about her. She made some really good points and put them across clearly. And she kept her temper in check even when Kirk and Ray started preaching and not showing any evidence whatsover.
"Does it emotionally disturb you that a comment is being made on an open board that is NOT about you?" I still don't get this... None of what I said has been about me, infact talking about me is derailing what I do wanna talk about, so lets stop.
For those who are still using Pascal's Wager: It takes not only a little faith to play the "betting on heaven game". I used to bet on it with my moral, my worldview, my time, my soul, and my eyes which can see through the injustice embraced by the bible. I decided to withdraw from the game on time because no one can even prove to me that the prize (heaven) is there. And if I lose, I lose EVERYTHING.
2) Now you are faced with a choice. Play or dont play. If you choose not to you do not have to worry about winning. You have conceded. But if you choose to play, of course there is no gaurantee that you will win, but what if you do? In my opinion, and this is strictly an opinion. It is better to be in the game, because if you are right and you do win the payout will be truley remarkable. All that it takes to play the game is a little faith (notice I said nothing about PROOF). Thanks.
@lint002 yes, but there are so many different religions, and you can't bet on them all, can you? Also, since the beginning of dawn, christianity has not been the same, and the Qur'an is the least changed bible - you can ask any muslim if you dont believe me - so, do you think people should confess to the Qur'an, or the bible?
@ellensius - Good argument. However I can not give you a direct answer. I can tell you that religion in some form was present before man even developed writing. I guess you could argue that this is because man is always striving to explain the unexplainable. I think that this ability to reason is what separates us from the animals. WHAT? but isn't our genetic code 98% like that of a chimp? Yes it is, but what people fail to realize is that 2% in respect to our genome is a fairly significant--
@ellensius 2) amount. Now you can say well what about evolution. There is no doubt that evolution exists. However consider the long and short neck turtles of the Galapagos Islands. A great discovery by Darwin. Imagine the time it took for the short neck turtles to evolve long necks on a separate island. There is no doubt it happened, but I can guarantee it took a heck of a lot longer than a few thousand years. Now, consider us and our closest "cousin" the chimp. There are a few similarities--
@ellensius 3) but for the most part we are very different. Consider the time it took for the turtles to evolve. Now consider how long it would have taken for us to evolve into what we are today. And there are a lot more differences between us and chimps than there are turtles and turtles. Not to mention the fossil record to support the divergence is incomplete. Go and look at what Darwin says about his theory when it comes down to fossil evidence. Now enough of my explanation of why--
@ellensius 4)I said we were "different" from animals. Back to your question finally. And the answer is that I have no answer. I can not tell you what to believe or which book to read because in the end you are your own person and you are quite capable of making your own decisions. I can not explain with evidence why I believe what I do. I just believe it because it is something that I chose to believe and have faith in. By the way I'm talking about religion as a whole. The belief in a divine--
@ellensius 5) creator. Just look around you in a sense everything is "perfect" as far as its function. I believe that it is from divine creation. This can not be a freak random coincidence. BTW, if you want to continue this discussion (and this goes for anyone who would like to discuss things) just leave a comment on my page. I don't want to hog a whole page on a video. Thanks.
@lint002 I have no problem with a "god" or the belief that there is a higher meaning, purpose or path, in wich life, univers and everything within it would make sense to someone. I like Pierre Theilard de Chardins thoughts of univers as a bubble for life and that he embrace science and tries to fuse religion and our present knowledge of our reality in what he calls Omega point. If Creationism really used science, it could be breath taking, as it is now - it is just dumb, or dumber.
@lint002 So the purpose of a Creationist, in my view, should not be to fight science, but to explain where religion and god fits in our modern technological and materialistic world. When we allow the reality to be bigger, we grow as humans.
@lint002 If we really want to kick science in the groin, the best bet that I am aware of is "identity theory". This puts our science more on the map, and points out science inability to deal with and explain singular physical events in the brain into an identity, or mental self. I think it is the philosopher John Hospers that estimates another 200 years before we even have a sketch of what is going on. You can search for that on google. "John Hospers" "identity theory".
1)"There is not one piece of evidence at all..." Lets swallow it this way. Who can provide solid, concrete, irrefutable evidence that God in fact does NOT exist? Just as we can not prove concrete evidence that God does exist. I like to look at it as an analogy. pretend life is like a lottery. No one can tell you without a doubt that you will never win and no one can tell you without a doubt that you will win. The choice to play is yours. I like to call that choice free will.
@lint002 1) you're comparing theism with STRONG atheism rather than just atheism in general. Regardless the task of providing evidence for the lack of god is impossible by definition. for the sako of argument imagine we have evidence undeniably proving god doesn't exist, he'sgod so he can exist despite the vidence. theists however believe in somethin that can make itself apparent even if its impossible, you know our excuse, what's yours?
@AntiMatterWave 1)Okay, I checked out your channel. You truly believe that you already have the world figured out in your mere 15-16 year existence. That's a sad false. But, despite your horrific grammar, misspellings, and your constant illiterate rambling in that pathetic excuse for a paragraph, ill give you the benifit of doubt and attempt to answer your question. Now, in regard to the statement you made about "STRONG atheism", I apologize for not knowing that there are in fact "weak" --
@lint002 If you checked out my channel then you'd see that I said "I do not think that I know everything" and that I'm 17 not 15-16 also excuse me for not being able to put together a decent argument in 500 characters without having to cut out the odd character from the odd word.
@AntiMatterWave 2) "intermediate" and "STRONG" atheists. I was not aware that there are different strengths associated with atheism. You either believe God exists or you do not. No in between. NONE. Second, in regard to your hypothetical situation you presented me with about proving that God does not exist. I would like to answer it with two answers. First it is not "impossible by definition" it is only highly improbable (huge difference). Secondly, I dare say, hypothetically of course, that --
@lint002 I never said anything about "intermediate" atheism. "Strong atheism" is when you believe that god definitely doesn't exist as much as theists believe that he definitely doesn't, "weak atheism" is when you don't believe that god exists but you don't believe that he definitely doesn't. Neither are names that I would have chosen. Also if you'd read my comment you'd realise why it's not highly improbable but just plain impossible to disprove god
@AntiMatterWave 3) if you were able to produce irrefutable evidence to prove that God does not exist the answer is pretty self explanatory. Since neither you, nor I have concrete evidence that supports either of our points, whatever point you were trying to make with that statement is irrelevant. Moving on to the part of your pathetic comment where you asked me what my excuse is. I'm not quite sure I understand. It may be that your superior intelligence has made it difficult for me to--
@lint002 Hardly pathetic. The excuse for not proving god doesn't exist is that even if we did you have a permanent cop-out (i.e. he can exist despite the evidence). You however have a magical sky daddy who can make evidence out of thin air, so you have no excuse for your lack of evidence
@AntiMatterWave 4) comprehend. But I will tell you that I do not have an "excuse" for believing what I believe. And as far as you telling me that I can not choose faith, you also chose faith believing what you believe. You do not have solid proof to prove your point. Therefore, you have faith that what you believe is true. Funny how someone who thinks they know it all contradicted themselves. I will thank you for the discussion though.
@lint002 read the first line of my comment. I'm a weak atheist, I don't say that god definitely doesn't exist, that would take faith. I think strong atheism is as irrational as theism. The things I believe take proof, without proof of something I don't believe it hence why I don't believe in god or that he definitely doesn't exist. I'm not talking about excuses for believing what you believe, I'm talking about excuses for a lack of proof, they have one, you dont. So I didn't contradict myself
@TheNightshado First off, how do you know hell exists. Don't assert something as the truth if it is a belief. Second, Pascal's wager is just a way for people who are not sure to not really believe. People who abide by it are just wasting their time. Either don't believe and do something useful in the mean time, or don't attempt to fool as supposedly omniscient being that you are faithful
@TheNightshado Pascal's wager... wouldn't an omniscient god recognize this and condemn you for not truly believing in him? You are therefore just being self centered and not caring about the truth.
@buckster888able who says it has to be a false belief? Are you saying atheists have a mental disability that precludes them from genuinely changing their minds? Whenever I see an atheist make this comment, i wonder... why can't they control their own thoughts, why would it be fake for them. Why can theists choose what they think if it is more pragmatic for them to do so, but atheists say apparently they can't, like it's a genetic disability or something they have no control over.
@buckster888able I had this same discussion with another atheist around here, and we ended up concluding that this is only true if you ARE an atheist. Theists can truly believe whatever ridiculous thing they want with no evidence & at the drop of a hat. Atheists need proof to "truly" believe. Theists don't. For Theists true belief is easy. For atheists this instant true belief, looks like a false belief. But that's only because atheists are physically incapable of that same mental feat.
I think it's a weird approach to understand FAITH in GOD with our feeble logic....
Even the Bible proclaims "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1 yet people want to bring logic into it we all have a decision to make..humble ourselves before Christ or take complete pride in our intellect and logic that has left SO MANY things in this world unanswered. At the end of the day, most people can ever say they never heard the gospel of Christ.
@stop08it atheists think believing in God is stupid, even after you've died and seen him and come back to life after being clinically dead. it's probably stupid to think things like pascals wager can persuade them if 1st hand experience can't. the commission of a christian is not to convince, but to inform people of a choice they can make. tell them your testimony and the gospel and let God do the rest, you can lead a horse to water, but he'll only drink if he's thirsty.
Okay so you can paint a pretty picture to fit your arguments. Instead of "Fear of death" call it a "will to live". I call bullshit because most hardcore believers paint pro-abortionists as baby killers and refer to themselves as pro-lifers. People see the world how they want to see it. There really isn't any concievable way for most atheists to disprove the existence of God in believers eyes.
God is real. Jesus came to save us. I've seen people get healed, legs growing out (my church friend was born with one leg short), my friend's mum being healed of brain tumours, astounding the doctor, demons fleeing people in the name of Jesus etc. I've seen lives change because of God. Accepting the Holy Spirit changed my life. No atheist can make me believe otherwise. My cousins have seen angels. The world is ending soon. There will be a nuclear war, famine in America, wars over water. Repent.
"... little God-Box in my brain.. I won't let my logic seep into there"
I guess she is arguing that the individual's core-vision/heart which overrides logic is to be ignored. Why? Perhaps she believes it is a submission to ignorance.
In fact a fanatical adherence to the empirical framework of reasoning, is itself ignorance. Why? The Absolute Reality can't be understood by a method of knowledge acquisition affected by human flaws. That is not say one cannot overcome such obstacle.
it never ceases to amaze me. in any type of superstition i have ever heard of, the only way to witness the unbelievable is to approach it with blind faith and the mindset that it cannot possibly be wrong. the human mind is an amazing thing in that it can twist reality to perceive what it wants to believe.
@revelation1234 Without being absolutely certain on any subject matter and then speaking on it as if it is law without any degree whatsoever of certainty is about the dumbest thing I'VE EVER HEARD.Atheist talk with a I KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW SCIENCE AND I KNOW THE BIBLE kind of attitude like they know something and they don't know anymore than anybody else. You know what'd be a better use of your brain? Figuring out how yo end world hunger or something POSITIVE. At least some churches are trying.
If you believe in god, solely for the purpose of going to heaven, wouldn't god be able to tell, seeing as he is omniscient? Then, god would know that you don't really believe, and that you are not really a believer. Too many people believe in god, just so that they don't have to go to hell, or risk some other divine punishment. The only reason that religion really thrives is because of propaganda-- if you don't believe us, then you will suffer for eternity.
@buckster888able John 3:16" For God so love the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not PERISH but shall have EVERLASTING LIFE." God WANTS us to be with Him for eternity. He loves us so much that he sent Christ to die as a pure sacrifice so we could have access to a pure God.
If a person humbles themselves and admits they are sinners and need Christ, then they as scripture said, they will be saved and Christ will change them from the inside out. It's not religion, It's following the real, living God who is above any rules religion can come up with.There are many many people (including me) that hated God, religion and questioned anything related to Christ but the moment we asked Jesus to save us...everything changed in a way that cannot be explained. Praying for you!
@NachoFcheeze Ockham's Razor, I doubt you'll understand what I'm getting at by saying this. It is a philosophical term, and people that are familiar with the argument against your proof for god will understand.
ANYBODY WANNA PROVE THERE IS NO GOD? CAUSE I DIDNT HEAR ANY PROOF.... AND TO BE QUITE HONEST IF THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER WAY THEN ARGUING ATHEIST ARGUMENTS IS JUST AS IRRATIONAL.... CHRISTIANS OFFER THIER FELLOWSIP AND IF THEY DON'T WANT IT..... WELL THEY JUST DON'T... THATS LIFE..... WHATEVER
@yesits107 look dude if you ask someone to "disprove" something that hasnt even been proven in the first place its invalid...i could say disprove unicorns , or disprove dragons or disprove zeus or disprove apollo we would get no where.....you have to actually for something to exist THEN you can argue for someone to negate your proof....asking for someone to disprove somethings existence doesnt mean its real
Well, I watched the whole video as well....where was the evidence for evolution? I'm still waiting for someone to give SHOW ME proof that evolution exists!! Those two judgmental Atheists who "said" they read The Bible several times (THEY LIED) who is so Pious as to say God is a tyrant?? Who are you to judge God? You atheists don't like it when you're judged You hypocrite!!! Where was Kirk and Rays proof? WHERE WAS YOURS??? There is no proof of evolution it's a theory NOT TRUTH!!
Il keep it simple bcoz its impossible to discusse it religous ppl,bcoz they repeat themselfs and ignore whats said.
By bible god created you,god created evertyhing from godness to evil from light to dark.He gave you the ability to be greedy and the ability to be good!
NOW!Lissen,its proved that human natural impulses are Greed,Jelousis and individualism!You have an worldwide prove!from corruptuion to theft!
Amen Ray .... Amen!
pammie003 23 hours ago
That is one ARROGANT atheist... The proof WAS presented: CREATION. The proof is all around us. P.S.: If you're gonna reply to me, do not JUMP all over me saying I called all atheists arrogant because if you're smart, you'll understand I was talking about ONE person, not all...
NJDominicana246 3 days ago
@NJDominicana246 i didnt see any proof given
gat0rgirl13 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 They both gave very valid reasons explaining God's existence. I encourage you to watch their comments. Maybe it just wasn't "scientific" for them ... And it's not that they didn't give evidence, it's that those two refuse to believe it because they're so stuck on being incredulous. (no offense to you, they (kelly and brian) are just REALLY stubborn)
NJDominicana246 22 hours ago
Ray is right...A fool says in his heart there is no God....
RunColorado100 1 week ago
@RunColorado100 Indeed. Only those foolish enough to be deceived by Loki deny Thor and Odin.
Or perhaps people with cardiac disease.
skewCZ 4 days ago
@skewCZ These are not Historically proven that they existed...so try again...
RunColorado100 3 days ago
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They not need to be. I feel them in my heart after all.
skewCZ 3 days ago
@skewCZ not even trying ...but
RunColorado100 3 days ago
@RunColorado100 you just called carl sagan, bertrand russell, benjamin franklin, sigmund freud, ayn rand, kurt vonnegut, and ernest hemingway, not to mention a million others, fools. check the mirror before you call the kettle black
gat0rgirl13 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 So be it..A fool says in his heart there is no God...These are just men and by the Way Sigmund Freud was a coke addict and Ernest Hemingway committed suicide and only 1% of the population are atheists...so billions believe in God...not a good argument....
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@RunColorado100 just very smart men that contributed alot. Doing drugs has nothing to do with intelligence and neither does suicide, religious people also do these things. However there is a correlation between being less religious and being intelligent. The fact that billions believe in god does not make it any more true, that isnt a good argument. it actually helps my argument in that there are fewer atheists in the world and also fewer intelligent people in the world.
gat0rgirl13 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 Wow this is the problem with atheists and their arrogance...Obviously you are not very smart... Intelligence and belief in God have no correlation with each other either way, thinking that you are so smart and the Others are dumb for believing in God...just shows me you need to put people down to feel better..if you say you are smart and look around at the earth and the Universe and cannot immediately know God exists..then you are not intelligent..only a fool..
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@RunColorado100 statistics do show a direct correlation that is a fact! I never claimed to be smart and i never said you were dumb, stop pulling shit out of your ass.
im currently reading the bible starting from genesis im on psalms right now, that is why im an atheist. if you want people to become theists dont tell them to read the bible, just tell them to only read the stuff they like to hear.
gat0rgirl13 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 Could you please direct me to those studies and what is it based on...lol..you are obviously pulling rabbits out of a hat...lol...There are studies regarding meditation and praying that helps people become more creative and have greater performance in sports...but ..Studies showing people who believe in God and not being smart has nothing to do with anything...it has to do with access to education, economics and many factors...you are just pulling my leg..
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 Keep on reading the Bible and try to understand it.....have a good night..got to work tomorrow...
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 Like I said a fool says in his Heart there is no God...Atheists have existed since Biblical times...there is nothing new under the sun...but here is a challenge...I challenge you to read the Bible from cover to cover and see what happens..
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@RunColorado100 if you look at the earth and think a god did it because it just looks so perfect, and so elegant that it must be designed you are just giving a typical god of the gaps argument.
gat0rgirl13 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 What God of the Gaps?..if you where smart you would know that Christian institutions promoted science ....and nobody is saying for you not to think or to used God instead of thinking ..but obviously if you bothered to read the Bible this is a fallen world...before the fall before Adam and Eve disobeyed God..it was perfect before the fall..but we see an earth that is dying and human race that is destroying itself..and everyone feels like something is wrong with the world
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@RunColorado100 look up the god of the gaps argument.
The church promotes science now to avoid looking like idiots, but centuries ago the church burned people for saying that the sun was the center of the universe and that the earth wasn't flat. Today most churches deny evolution.
People do not become atheists so they have the freedom to sin that is SLANDER and a LIE! I became an atheist because i could not justify the atrocities in the bible, the killing of innocents and enslaving others.
gat0rgirl13 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 Well then why are you an Atheists my Russian friends, told me that in atheists Russia Alone 50 million people where killed and many other millions in communist atheistic countries...not even 1% percent of what so called Christians..(if you bothered to read the Bible you would know which are the real Christians by their fruits) in the name of God did compares to Atheists...so stop living in a dream world if you why don't you read history specially of Russia to start..
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@gat0rgirl13 Atheism ..EPIC FAIL...I really got to go to sleep..may God bless you and your family and everything you do.......tata
RunColorado100 1 day ago
@RunColorado100 Atheists rationalize and God laughs. I laugh too, it's kinda funny lol! God bless you brother. And don't worry, if they get so caught up in science and "reason", it'll all cease one day, for the bible says that every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Christ is Lord... just pray so that God opens their spiritual eyes and hearts because they need Him no matter how much they don't wanna accept it.
NJDominicana246 21 hours ago
@NJDominicana246 Ray didnt give any reasons for god's existence. Ray says "if you seek God you will surely find him with your whole heart" that doesnt count as proof to me, its just ray saying what has been passed down to him by his parents and so forth. if ray had been born in iran he'd be preaching islam.
gat0rgirl13 18 hours ago
@gat0rgirl13 That wasn't all that he said... And anyways, being raised in a specific faith doesn't mean you HAVE to follow it. Thousands of people were raised in different faiths and CHOOSE to follow Christ (and sadly vice-versa) so your point is invalid. Atheists make up only 2% of the world's population so there's really not much of a challenge. An overwhelming majority of the world's pop. agrees that God exists.
NJDominicana246 3 hours ago
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@NJDominicana246 "Thousands of people were raised in different faiths and CHOOSE to follow Christ (and sadly vice-versa)"
Thats not my point, my point was RAY only believes what he's told to believe. This person you adore so much could just as easily be preaching islam.
look think about it, if your parents were muslim you'd be muslim. if your parents were hindu you'd be hindu. it is by sheer accident that you are a christian
gat0rgirl13 3 hours ago
@gat0rgirl13 AND, on another note, Kirk Cameron brought up something that is pretty darned fundamental to our argument. Charles Darwin CLEARLY stated that if there were no fossil tracks found within 100 years that back up the theory that it should've been discarded. Yet skeptics continue to use this as a "reason" to question God's existence. Evolution is a fraud and BILLIONS of us don't buy it... sorry.
NJDominicana246 3 hours ago
@NJDominicana246 if you discount 3rd world countries and just consider the developed world (the smarter world) the number of atheist would be much higher. (Sweden 80%, Japan 60%, Norway 72%, France 54%) besides they dont all believe in your god some believe in thor or shiva. just bc you have the majority doesnt make you right.
evolution has transition fossils. Even the catholic church accepts evolution, and so many other christians.
gat0rgirl13 3 hours ago
@gat0rgirl13 Oh, gimme a break. So I mentioned India all of a sudden the belief in God prevails highly JUST in developing countries? No offense but that is one of the most IGNORANT things I have heard in my LIFE. What about America, honey? There are STILL an overwhelming amount of Christians in America. And no, there aren't ENOUGH transition fossils to prove that it's completely true. That's why it's still called a THEORY, not a FACT.
NJDominicana246 52 minutes ago
@NJDominicana246 No you misunderstood. Im not saying belief in god is only in developing countries. Belief in god is very common in America and a few others developed countries too. I agree with you there, but i am saying a great deal of the world's believers come from developing countries.
gat0rgirl13 33 minutes ago
@NJDominicana246 Evolution was not developed to question god. It is a scientific theory based on sound factual evidence to explain why life is so diverse on earth.
gat0rgirl13 3 hours ago
@gat0rgirl13 I'm not SAYING it was developed to question God (though actually Darwin's skepticism has a lot to do with him coming up with the theory), I'm saying it's being USED today as a method of questioning God.
NJDominicana246 56 minutes ago
@NJDominicana246 yes evolution does get people to question, but i dont see why questioning is a bad thing - about science, religion, or anything.
I dont think it was Darwin's skepticism that led him to the theory. Darwin was very religious before he developed the theory of evolution. When he discovered it he couldn't believe anymore. So it wasnt Darwin's skepticism --> evolution. But rather, evolution --> darwin's skepticism.
gat0rgirl13 43 minutes ago
@NJDominicana246 In science theories are as close as it gets to fact. Science will never give absolutes, therefore theories will never become fact. However theories are tested many, many times if even the slightest bit of evidence contradicts it the theory will be modified or disregarded completely. Hypotheses undergo rigorous testing and modifying, with support from observable facts to then reach the status of a theory. We still call the germ theory of disease a theory
gat0rgirl13 36 minutes ago
@gat0rgirl13 And I'm sorry, just one more thing, what does being born in Iran have anything to do with your faith? What about the people born in India? Are they all Hindus? No. What about those born in Italy? Are they all Catholic? No. Seriously, just because your parents teach you something doesn't mean it'll dictate your spiritual judgment for life. THAT'S called being religious. Following Christ because you wholeheartedly believe in Him? THAT'S called faith.
NJDominicana246 3 hours ago
@gat0rgirl13 and there is...but atheists only think its our evolutionist behavior that is destroying the planet...atheists cannot recognize God...because they want to freedom to sin...without being accountable to anyone...and that is the bottom line...
RunColorado100 1 day ago
everytime a non beleaver gets in front of a beleaver a seed is planted praise GOD the one and only
cawesthaver 2 weeks ago 2
She. Gets really mad. Past trying to disprove God. She's angry about the idea of God. I think there's alittle more then reason and logic working inside her. My prayers go out to you kelly.
cmkcis 2 weeks ago
@cmkcis Yeah I saw that too...however in most conversations with atheist it's the same thing...it's there belief...just like a christian believes there is a God they BELIEVE there is No God.They have a belief system too. think about it? But atheist are cruel when this topic rises. But the bible says that, a man that says there is no God in his heart is a fool. the bible also says trying to explain God doesn't work..because they are not spiritual.
jntcollege 2 weeks ago
@jntcollege you have missed the point entirely, Atheists do not believe there is NO god we believe the is no evidence of god apart from the bible. Atheists don't rely on faith therefore we need evidence to justify our beliefs/ Not hearsay and a book that was written by a bunch of bronze age uneducated Arabs. there are plenty of atheists that are spiritual just none that are supernatural.
Freestylar 2 weeks ago
@Freestylar FAITH? So at the CORE of evolutionary 'science' is dark matter/energy (a hypothetical UNOBSERVED concept to help big bang theory work). Abiogenesis - assuming a fully functional self-replicating molecule - yet never created in labs (with intelligence nevermind by random matter and chance) and UNOBSERVED. Two big leaps of faith required - never mind the other problems discussed.
MrAliyak 2 weeks ago
Look science doesn't claim to have all the answers, the theory of Evolution still has gaps to be explained these thing may not happen in our life time but they will most likely happen. I am not a physicist or a biologist nor are you how ever we don't have to be to make rational decisions about life. Religion which is completely based of Faith which is belief without a rational reason is in-itself not rational or logical therefore it is not backed by any distinguished scientist.
Freestylar 1 week ago
@Freestylar "Faith (religious) which is belief without a rational reason" - this is not true. The fields of history and archaeology provide millions of lines of evidence to support the claims of Jesus Christ. See the video I posted on my channel - this is based on scholarly consensus and phenomenon we still observe today. The supporting evidence for Jesus FAR outweighs anything against or evidence for other religions. So if Jesus is who He says, it's a life or death decision we make about Him.
MrAliyak 1 week ago
@MrAliyak Ok so i watched the video checked the website and all i can say is wow, if you did create this you not only wasted my time but you wasted yours as well. Your video claims to be backed by a scholarly consensus but you have given ABSOLUTELY NO sources except the bible(new and old testament). your whole video is based on broad predictions which fit many of the so called messiahs of that time. There is no contemporary account of Jesus's life.
Freestylar 1 week ago
@Freestylar Now you would have been told this already of you didn't disable the comments and rating on your crappy video. Also you might wanna look up Faith in the dictionary. Finally Don't claim to have evidence by citing fundamental religious sites that's just retarded.
Freestylar 1 week ago
Atheism is, in a broad sense is the rejection of belief in the existence of deities, question do you believe that? to have a belief system is not the problem is what you believe. I GET IT. However what if I say evidence of the existence of God is creation? that falls under Relative thinking because you cannot tell me that this type of thinking is wrong based off of my perspective. Which draws me to one conclusion. WE Will see in the end. and IF i'm wrong no worries. but what if your wrong?!
jntcollege 1 week ago
@jntcollege Look up Pascal's Wager, This is the argument your using. Pascal's Wager is one of the most flawed and illogical arguments you can use. Now if you don't want to look it up here is the gist of it, Pascals Wager only works if there is two possible outcomes which there is not. There are thousands of different religions which I'm not going to list for you because you can Google it. So what if your Wrong i don't claim to be right Atheism is just a rational understanding of life
Freestylar 1 week ago
The issue is right or wrong, yes or no, there either is a God or not. Your point is never going to be concluded based off your argument. my last statement was very simple you made it complicated don't confuse your self with large statements. God or not? that is the issue at hand. when ppl say rational the ONLY thing that is ABSOLUTELY rational is math. EVERYTHING else is based off of faith, belief and relativism. Science even changes it never is Absolute.
jntcollege 1 week ago
@jntcollege There is a couple of things you seem to be confused with here. 1st sentence you just stated Pascal's wager again i told you to look it up. I am not confusing my self i am trying to be thorough in my arguments. The last thing i want you do to is misinterpret my argument because is too basic. The quote is "Math is the only Absolute science". Creating a theory require some faith however accepting said theory only requires conclusive demonstrable evidence for me to accept it.
Freestylar 1 week ago
@Freestylar Okay
jntcollege 1 week ago
From a christian perspective, yes you are right that argument stands...and in many other religions to. Simply because most religions have some consequence for lack of belief..if not the definition of sin. However faith is different from belief system, and you can believe something religiously. WHAT you believe can be abrogated, corrected and tamed. Based off of society and culture, and fact. NO one can prove there is No God. that is a system of belief. No matter how you try and frame it!
jntcollege 1 week ago
I'd like to ask... what is more humble than someone who says "I don't know". How many thiests, of any faith, are ever heard saying "I don't know" (unless its to try to explain why God allows horrible things to happen)
TyphonUK 1 month ago
She is even more silly w/ her conclusions every time she books a flight.
GrandeRio01 1 month ago
so, who writes science books again?
sidgallegos 1 month ago
This girl is annoying!!!
hope1029384756 2 months ago
Why have these videos been so heavily edited and only some videos allow commenting?
Where is the end of the debate that states who won?
Something to hide?
gordyt32 2 months ago
she and her partner will definitely regret for what they have said,,when they are burnt in hell fire
picktwelve 2 months ago
@picktwelve Thats what a Muslim will say to you. Someone's going to get burned. Charming beliefs we have.
shimwah 1 month ago
@picktwelve Shuch a Christian thing to say what about love and compassion for your fellow man. Yeah God does'nt spread fear and hate.
roboters100 1 month ago in playlist Brian Sapient beats down Kirk Cameron
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only a fool would deny the living god, who knows all things ,you people don,t know what you are dealing with, if your an atheist as the bible says you are a fool .
mrwarren1967 2 months ago
It will be soon then later that every single person will bow before christ an just say athiests are right, and christians, are wrong then it won,t do the christians any harm trying to be better people with good morals ect however if christians are right atheist are wrong dangerously wrong and will face the conserquences of that belief thank god hes in control, bible prophecy has been 100 percent accurate throughout the ages.
mrwarren1967 2 months ago
god is bigger then logic,and religion ,how sad is it that people can be so intellectial and dum at the same time thats why the bible says that god chooses the foolish of the world to teach the wise thats evidence in it self that god is real and who do these people think they are that can challenage the living god what arogance .
mrwarren1967 2 months ago in playlist Kirk Cameron Ray Comfort debate
@mrwarren1967 this is what's called circular reasoning...
you claim knowledge of god because the bible claims to give it. you believe in the bible because it's supposedly the word of god. you believe the bible is the word of god because god is the supposed divine author. you believe god is the divine author because the bible claims to have knowledge of god.
why should people believe the bible again??
HuyerPercussive 2 months ago
There has been a lot of bad done in the name of religion. "Logically" thinking people have created ways to exploit what Jesus taught. All I know is that my relationship with Jesus Christ has changed my life. He gives me such peace, such joy, such hope. The world around me can be total chaos, but at my core there is His joy. Thank you Lord Jesus! I look for you soon. (the book of Revelation is being played out as we speak) "The fool hath said in his heart, there is no God".
lovincustomerservice 2 months ago
Christianity spreading is not evidence of anything, and I can assure you no one is being raised from the dead.
Carbunkal 2 months ago
Thats whats wrong with people who don't belieave in christ..because they want 2 see..God is Real..you just have to call on him..
sialajrlaufau 3 months ago
@sialajrlaufau I would ask you to give convincing evidence that would give reason to believe in a god, but no one has been able to do that for thousands of years and I've already grown tired of waiting.
Carbunkal 2 months ago
@Carbunkal
If you want to go by facts, one that cannot be denied is how Christianity is spreading, and I'm not talking about the crusades, I'm talking about today. Pay attention to what is going on in China. Check out Africa, how people have been raised from the dead. It comes down to miracles, and people being drawn in by His love. If you want to see if God is real, don't wait till something comes up. Go and do your research, because there is plenty of evidence. Tip: watch The Finger of God:)
Jorgiboy 2 months ago
Crocoduck Boy does not understand evolution.
Dogs make dogs, apes make apes, that is why Humans are still Apes.
Just like we are still mammals, still cordates. Same Kind, different species.
gregrutz 3 months ago
atheism, theism , and beleif in evolution all need faith to beleive in anyone off them they need that bit of faith, u choose
emporroll134 3 months ago
@emporroll134 For uneducated idiots, that's probably true. The rest of us understand that the assertion that a lack of belief in a deity, or that a theory backed by mountains of evidence require faith is naive at best and incredibly stupid at worst. Lots of stupid people think that claiming that all are equivalent is the same as being objective, in fact it's just intellectual laziness and political correctness.
lumpheadthump 3 months ago
@emporroll134 wrong. that's the difference between science and religion, science doesn't require faith in order to be valid.
HuyerPercussive 2 months ago
2nd comment: say for instance i make the statement, "Heaven exists." It may be true, but there's no empirical or rational means to test this out. So, acceptance on this kind of view is more of a faith rather than scientific verification. The purpose of scientific research is to not establish truths, but to accumilate more accurate, consistent explanations of why things happen based on observation and testing.
Does religion go through this process?
Source: From my phy. anthro book.
jedidavisWAMPA 3 months ago
1st comment: For any one thinking science is about faith, Kelly say's that's not true and she is absolutely right. The process of scientific proof or ideas is critically scrutinized, called peer reviewing. When scientists start with a hypothesis, it must have the possibility of falsification because any process of that is only stated as absolute is not a scientific hypothesis and should never be considered as such.
jedidavisWAMPA 3 months ago
What some people see as God "revealing himself"... the rest of us call...thinking. That's all it is...you...inside your own mind, talking to yourself. It's nice to feel special and chosen, but I don't want to lose all sense of reality and spend my life grovelling to a bronze age mythical man in the sky to achieve happiness. It sound like a nightmare!
33aldrin 3 months ago
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Never say an evolutionist "you are wrong", he immediatly thinks you are a religious person, never use logic and common sense with him, he will say that you are the one who lacks of those, and finally dont waste time with him, there is no God for them, let him be happy as he lives, it is all what he has. when he become too proud in his ignorance, let's flog him with knowledge, not in order to teach him knowledge, but in order to cause him more wrath and confusion.
xchris1800 3 months ago
By watching each person's demeanor, you can see who really believes what they are saying. Defensiveness is the first red flag. The more worked up a person becomes, the more you see their fear standing out. Kelly is a scared little girl lost in a great big world and knows her "truth" is crumbling before her eyes.
jeanniem76 3 months ago
@jeanniem76 Bang on. Kelly should be worried about death, but isn't because she is at the height of her life.
WilliamTapley 3 months ago
@jeanniem76
In other words you interpret that Kelly is a scared little girl, so therefore God exists? Quicksand thinking.
debbitt 3 months ago
@jeanniem76 maybe she is just very passionate about the ignorance of christians
trish36oh 3 months ago
God doesnt exit, end of story.
DJOuiParty 4 months ago
@DJOuiParty Oh okay. I thought He did, thanks for correcting me. :-)
cliftonthe3rd 3 months ago
OMG! it's Kasey Grant!!!
hplee1 4 months ago
@tomomoto How can God be good when he murdered egyptian babies, drowned civilization, told us to stone people to death, etc.....etc.... lol
rollapskates 4 months ago
@rollapskates God's action with the egyptians was a one-time event, which stopped the continuing killing by Pharaoh; Pharaoh's program was every day, every year, every decade... In all your cases God was showing us consequences for our actions and that we brought these things on ourselves by our evil decisions
bigalmahoney 4 months ago
and as for people killin babies in the bible that God ordered. those nations were corrupt! they had to be wiped out baby, grown up and even animals. if not, all of the land would be destroyed by that nation. remember Gods ways are not our ways and his thoughts are not our thoughts isaiah 55:8. we cannot fathom the thoughts or even the LOVE of God. he knows the end from the beginning. we do not. we cannot compare what we humans feel to what God feels and what he knows.
BFFFL16 4 months ago
@BFFFL16
Your whole last post was apologetics for the evils you know exist in the Bible. You expect people to blindly & dumbly wait in resignation for some "wonderful plan" to come to fruition which will somehow justify all the baby killing & genocide the Bible & it's Judeo/Christian God approves of. If your religion & God had any moral credibility most of its revered heroes & figures would not exactly resemble its villains & antagonists. So stop calling Atheists sinners you hypocrite.
TheNarcMan 4 months ago
MY CLOSING REMARK: i'd rather die today believing in God and living a great life with respect and purity and finding out there is nothing for me in the end. than live another 100 thousand years disproving and not believing and criticzing the good hearted poeple and a true honest God and finding out that there is a God (and spending eternity in hell).
#SafeThanSorry
BFFFL16 4 months ago
@BFFFL16 so what your saying is you cant be a good person if you don't believe in god? i'll tell you what, go and ask an atheist if they would ever consider in any circumstance killing a baby to be moral, and then go and read your bible and look at how many times your god has murdered and ordered the murder of babies then say that people who take their morals from a baby killer are more moral than those that do not
soulburn2k5 4 months ago
@BFFFL16 all athiest arent bad poeple even though most people in general agree with abortion. athiest or not. its more than u know. and "My God" in the bible he told his people told murder the baby? read the whole story. he told abraham to murder isaac as a sacrifice unto him then STOPPED him right before abraham could lower the knife toward isaacs chest and honored/blessed abe becuz of his faithfulness to him. u are supposed to forsake all for God. when u do, he keeps those closer to u.
BFFFL16 4 months ago
@BFFFL16
""My God" in the bible he told his people told murder the baby? read the whole story."
Here's a story for you. There's plenty more like it.
Numbers 31: 17-18
Now therefore kill every male among the little ones, and kill every woman that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the women children, that have not known a man by lying with him, keep alive for yourselves.
Your God allows child killing & pedophilia. Even if Abraham didn't kill his son what God would play such sick games?
TheNarcMan 4 months ago
@TheNarcMan A few hundred years ago it was normal to marry young. The young women not killed would have been given to young husbands..
Lets not forget you cant take a verse out of context, you must read it from the beginning to truly understand it.
The people killed were evil in the eyes of God, they did not want to live a life with God and he promised to the Jews the promised land. He had to take it from the other fallen tribes. Be glad God doesn't slay those who trespass against him now..
tomomoto 4 months ago
@tomomoto
" A few hundred years ago it was normal to marry young."
-Are you saying Christian morals have evolved? So much for the Absolute. Oh, & young marriage or not, does that justify killing kids? Ever?
"they did not want to live a life with God and he promised to the Jews the promised land. He had to take it from the other fallen tribes."
-Kinda like Hitler back in the Fatherland ay?
"Be glad God doesn't slay those who trespass against him now.."
-Yeah. How convenient.
TheNarcMan 4 months ago
@TheNarcMan I never said that, I said It was normal. AKA most married young regardless.
Thing is God is God, he kinda made everything. Even if you don't understand that, he has every right to take away life, he gave it to us in the first place.
If you spent more time analysing the bible in context it would make more sense than taking a phase or sentence and throwing it out there. Well obviously God condones w/e.
Everybody has choice, without it we would be robots. I am glad I choose him.
tomomoto 4 months ago
@TheNarcMan I never said that, I said It was normal. AKA most married young regardless.
Thing is God is God, he kinda made everything. Even if you don't understand that, he has every right to take away life, he gave it to us in the first place.
If you spent more time analysing the bible in context it would make more sense than taking a phase or sentence and throwing it out there. Well obviously God condones w/e.
Everybody has choice, without it we would be robots. I am glad I choose him.
tomomoto 4 months ago
@TheNarcMan Everyone married/partnered young . That verse doesn't say for the old men, it was for the young boys to marry young.
God made all people and those people rebelled against God and his law knowing full well what he had asked. He has the right to take away what he has made.
We all have a choice and I respect yours to believe in anything you want. But I can say I am grateful I can choose God over all other things in this world. He is my strength and has blessed me infinitely.
tomomoto 4 months ago
@BFFFL16
"than live another 100 thousand years disproving and not believing and criticzing the good hearted poeple and a true honest God and finding out that there is a God (and spending eternity in hell).
#SafeThanSorry"
There is no moral integrity or honesty behind this. Do you think your God would be dumb enough to fall for a show of piety out of fear of hell & self interest? People who do right because they think someone is watching them are not really doing right at all. Atheists are though
TheNarcMan 4 months ago
Did anyone tell Kirk that his idea of a Crocoduck proves he does not understand evolution?
gregrutz 4 months ago
atheist are their own god because they think they can do what they want and want to push their communist ways on people. God does exist and He will judge you for rejecting the truth and walking all over the blood of Christ if you do not repent!!!
s25598 5 months ago
@s25598
Christianity has more in common with communism than secular democracy and free trade. Do I really need to explain that to you? Didn't Christ want all humanity to come together? Didn't he attack commerce being in the temple? Didn't he forbid giving loans in interest? Doesn't being a Christian give you a self righteous feeling of total morality meaning us "pagans and heathens" who are our own Gods shouldn't be trusted with making up morals and voting democratically? Go to Iran you God nut.
TheNarcMan 5 months ago
@TheNarcMan Christianty has nothing to do with communism they have killed more Christians just because we believe in a Loving God who came into this messed up world and died for me and you, so how can you hate a True God that loves you that took all of our sins upon Himself. Just because atheist thinks theres no God does not change the fact that God is! I hope you will see the truth before its to late.
s25598 5 months ago
@s25598
Iran would suit someone like you much more than a secular western democracy. If all the Jesus freaks and other religions left America it would begin to become one of the world's highest in living standards just like the other secular democracies mentioned in global studies like Scandinavian countries, UK, Australia and New Zealand. People like Ray Comfort and Ken Ham had to leave Australia and New Zealand because we don't want their extreme stupidity damaging science and democracy.
TheNarcMan 5 months ago
"God resists the proud and gives grace to the humble," this is the sort of retro active self justification that religion has had thousands of years to perfect. Even then they haven't managed to answer every logical question with a convoluted, childish response. That's why Banana Man here and his sidekick the Crocoduck Kid still look foolish trying to answer science's new questions.
Heads up fellas, science and its questions will never stop growing in number and power. What about religion?
TheNarcMan 5 months ago
This women has a lack of maturity, self control due to poor demeanor and the inability to re-frame from "bad attitude" syndrome lol
infojluna1 5 months ago
@infojluna1 Where did you get that from?
AndresPetMonkey 5 months ago
@AndresPetMonkey
Does it really matter?
infojluna1 5 months ago
@infojluna1 Yeah it matters because I have no idea what you're talking about. Infact I'm surprised at how this woman kept her cool throughout the whole debate because kirk and the other guy spent the whole debate preaching instead of giving actual evidence.
AndresPetMonkey 5 months ago
@AndresPetMonkey
If you pay close attentions to her demeanor; and comments she makes, it's very unprofessional. And you said it does matter why? Does it emotionally disturb you that a comment is being made on an open board that is NOT about you? Hmm. 2 be honest, I'm a theist and I view this "debate" on both sides loosely constructed. And frankly shouldn't matter whether preaching or teaching, both sides had facts at which point they couldn't answer. I couldn't answer because i'm not a debator.
infojluna1 4 months ago
@infojluna1
You think Kelly's unprofessional? Kirk and Ray brought fire and brimstone to an intellectual debate specifically after agreeing at the start they wouldn't use religion or the bible to prove their points. But they did because that's all they have. The only other thing close to rationale or logic they used was disjointed philosophies that still don't prove anything unlike science and evolution. Stop trying to sabotage western civilization to justify your bedtime stories please.
TheNarcMan 4 months ago
@infojluna1
As for "both sides had facts at which point they couldn't answer."?
That's because the rational response side spoke for science but they're not scientists. Real scientists rarely have the time or energy to argue with people who believe cultivated bananas prove God or think evolution means crocoducks in the fossil record. One half decent scientist would've owned in their place. If you can't argue Ray or Kirk's points it coz they're so crazy & don't even make enough sense to dignify.
TheNarcMan 4 months ago
@infojluna1 Not about me? What? Why would I care, I was talking about the woman in the debate. The "frankly it shouldn't matter" comment shows your bias towards Kirk/Ray. "both sides had facts at which point they couldn't answer" What are you talking about? xD Like what? (for the rational response team) Kirk/Ray spent the beginning of the lecture trying to put God in the gaps of science and had a very childish way of trying to prove it, not scientific at all, they spent the rest preaching.
AndresPetMonkey 4 months ago
@infojluna1 And I don't understand what's so "unprofessional" about her. She made some really good points and put them across clearly. And she kept her temper in check even when Kirk and Ray started preaching and not showing any evidence whatsover.
"Does it emotionally disturb you that a comment is being made on an open board that is NOT about you?" I still don't get this... None of what I said has been about me, infact talking about me is derailing what I do wanna talk about, so lets stop.
AndresPetMonkey 4 months ago
For those who are still using Pascal's Wager: It takes not only a little faith to play the "betting on heaven game". I used to bet on it with my moral, my worldview, my time, my soul, and my eyes which can see through the injustice embraced by the bible. I decided to withdraw from the game on time because no one can even prove to me that the prize (heaven) is there. And if I lose, I lose EVERYTHING.
AkasakaS2000 5 months ago
Kelly, I love you.
Biscaine 6 months ago
@lint002 homer simpson found it
scortes48 6 months ago
2) Now you are faced with a choice. Play or dont play. If you choose not to you do not have to worry about winning. You have conceded. But if you choose to play, of course there is no gaurantee that you will win, but what if you do? In my opinion, and this is strictly an opinion. It is better to be in the game, because if you are right and you do win the payout will be truley remarkable. All that it takes to play the game is a little faith (notice I said nothing about PROOF). Thanks.
lint002 6 months ago
@lint002 yes, but there are so many different religions, and you can't bet on them all, can you? Also, since the beginning of dawn, christianity has not been the same, and the Qur'an is the least changed bible - you can ask any muslim if you dont believe me - so, do you think people should confess to the Qur'an, or the bible?
ellensius 6 months ago
@ellensius - Good argument. However I can not give you a direct answer. I can tell you that religion in some form was present before man even developed writing. I guess you could argue that this is because man is always striving to explain the unexplainable. I think that this ability to reason is what separates us from the animals. WHAT? but isn't our genetic code 98% like that of a chimp? Yes it is, but what people fail to realize is that 2% in respect to our genome is a fairly significant--
lint002 5 months ago
@ellensius 2) amount. Now you can say well what about evolution. There is no doubt that evolution exists. However consider the long and short neck turtles of the Galapagos Islands. A great discovery by Darwin. Imagine the time it took for the short neck turtles to evolve long necks on a separate island. There is no doubt it happened, but I can guarantee it took a heck of a lot longer than a few thousand years. Now, consider us and our closest "cousin" the chimp. There are a few similarities--
lint002 5 months ago
@ellensius 3) but for the most part we are very different. Consider the time it took for the turtles to evolve. Now consider how long it would have taken for us to evolve into what we are today. And there are a lot more differences between us and chimps than there are turtles and turtles. Not to mention the fossil record to support the divergence is incomplete. Go and look at what Darwin says about his theory when it comes down to fossil evidence. Now enough of my explanation of why--
lint002 5 months ago
@ellensius 4)I said we were "different" from animals. Back to your question finally. And the answer is that I have no answer. I can not tell you what to believe or which book to read because in the end you are your own person and you are quite capable of making your own decisions. I can not explain with evidence why I believe what I do. I just believe it because it is something that I chose to believe and have faith in. By the way I'm talking about religion as a whole. The belief in a divine--
lint002 5 months ago
@ellensius 5) creator. Just look around you in a sense everything is "perfect" as far as its function. I believe that it is from divine creation. This can not be a freak random coincidence. BTW, if you want to continue this discussion (and this goes for anyone who would like to discuss things) just leave a comment on my page. I don't want to hog a whole page on a video. Thanks.
lint002 5 months ago
@lint002 I have no problem with a "god" or the belief that there is a higher meaning, purpose or path, in wich life, univers and everything within it would make sense to someone. I like Pierre Theilard de Chardins thoughts of univers as a bubble for life and that he embrace science and tries to fuse religion and our present knowledge of our reality in what he calls Omega point. If Creationism really used science, it could be breath taking, as it is now - it is just dumb, or dumber.
ellensius 5 months ago
@lint002 So the purpose of a Creationist, in my view, should not be to fight science, but to explain where religion and god fits in our modern technological and materialistic world. When we allow the reality to be bigger, we grow as humans.
ellensius 5 months ago
@lint002 If we really want to kick science in the groin, the best bet that I am aware of is "identity theory". This puts our science more on the map, and points out science inability to deal with and explain singular physical events in the brain into an identity, or mental self. I think it is the philosopher John Hospers that estimates another 200 years before we even have a sketch of what is going on. You can search for that on google. "John Hospers" "identity theory".
ellensius 5 months ago
@lint002 2) you can't choose to have faith
AntiMatterWave 5 months ago
1)"There is not one piece of evidence at all..." Lets swallow it this way. Who can provide solid, concrete, irrefutable evidence that God in fact does NOT exist? Just as we can not prove concrete evidence that God does exist. I like to look at it as an analogy. pretend life is like a lottery. No one can tell you without a doubt that you will never win and no one can tell you without a doubt that you will win. The choice to play is yours. I like to call that choice free will.
lint002 6 months ago
@lint002 1) you're comparing theism with STRONG atheism rather than just atheism in general. Regardless the task of providing evidence for the lack of god is impossible by definition. for the sako of argument imagine we have evidence undeniably proving god doesn't exist, he'sgod so he can exist despite the vidence. theists however believe in somethin that can make itself apparent even if its impossible, you know our excuse, what's yours?
AntiMatterWave 5 months ago
@AntiMatterWave 1)Okay, I checked out your channel. You truly believe that you already have the world figured out in your mere 15-16 year existence. That's a sad false. But, despite your horrific grammar, misspellings, and your constant illiterate rambling in that pathetic excuse for a paragraph, ill give you the benifit of doubt and attempt to answer your question. Now, in regard to the statement you made about "STRONG atheism", I apologize for not knowing that there are in fact "weak" --
lint002 5 months ago
@lint002 If you checked out my channel then you'd see that I said "I do not think that I know everything" and that I'm 17 not 15-16 also excuse me for not being able to put together a decent argument in 500 characters without having to cut out the odd character from the odd word.
AntiMatterWave 5 months ago
@AntiMatterWave 2) "intermediate" and "STRONG" atheists. I was not aware that there are different strengths associated with atheism. You either believe God exists or you do not. No in between. NONE. Second, in regard to your hypothetical situation you presented me with about proving that God does not exist. I would like to answer it with two answers. First it is not "impossible by definition" it is only highly improbable (huge difference). Secondly, I dare say, hypothetically of course, that --
lint002 5 months ago
@lint002 I never said anything about "intermediate" atheism. "Strong atheism" is when you believe that god definitely doesn't exist as much as theists believe that he definitely doesn't, "weak atheism" is when you don't believe that god exists but you don't believe that he definitely doesn't. Neither are names that I would have chosen. Also if you'd read my comment you'd realise why it's not highly improbable but just plain impossible to disprove god
AntiMatterWave 5 months ago
@AntiMatterWave 3) if you were able to produce irrefutable evidence to prove that God does not exist the answer is pretty self explanatory. Since neither you, nor I have concrete evidence that supports either of our points, whatever point you were trying to make with that statement is irrelevant. Moving on to the part of your pathetic comment where you asked me what my excuse is. I'm not quite sure I understand. It may be that your superior intelligence has made it difficult for me to--
lint002 5 months ago
@lint002 Hardly pathetic. The excuse for not proving god doesn't exist is that even if we did you have a permanent cop-out (i.e. he can exist despite the evidence). You however have a magical sky daddy who can make evidence out of thin air, so you have no excuse for your lack of evidence
AntiMatterWave 5 months ago
@AntiMatterWave 4) comprehend. But I will tell you that I do not have an "excuse" for believing what I believe. And as far as you telling me that I can not choose faith, you also chose faith believing what you believe. You do not have solid proof to prove your point. Therefore, you have faith that what you believe is true. Funny how someone who thinks they know it all contradicted themselves. I will thank you for the discussion though.
lint002 5 months ago
@lint002 read the first line of my comment. I'm a weak atheist, I don't say that god definitely doesn't exist, that would take faith. I think strong atheism is as irrational as theism. The things I believe take proof, without proof of something I don't believe it hence why I don't believe in god or that he definitely doesn't exist. I'm not talking about excuses for believing what you believe, I'm talking about excuses for a lack of proof, they have one, you dont. So I didn't contradict myself
AntiMatterWave 5 months ago
@TheNightshado First off, how do you know hell exists. Don't assert something as the truth if it is a belief. Second, Pascal's wager is just a way for people who are not sure to not really believe. People who abide by it are just wasting their time. Either don't believe and do something useful in the mean time, or don't attempt to fool as supposedly omniscient being that you are faithful
buckster888able 6 months ago
@TheNightshado Pascal's wager... wouldn't an omniscient god recognize this and condemn you for not truly believing in him? You are therefore just being self centered and not caring about the truth.
buckster888able 6 months ago
@buckster888able who says it has to be a false belief? Are you saying atheists have a mental disability that precludes them from genuinely changing their minds? Whenever I see an atheist make this comment, i wonder... why can't they control their own thoughts, why would it be fake for them. Why can theists choose what they think if it is more pragmatic for them to do so, but atheists say apparently they can't, like it's a genetic disability or something they have no control over.
depthforge 6 months ago
@depthforge I'm saying that if they believe in god just in case he might exist, then they don't truly believe in it
buckster888able 6 months ago
@buckster888able I had this same discussion with another atheist around here, and we ended up concluding that this is only true if you ARE an atheist. Theists can truly believe whatever ridiculous thing they want with no evidence & at the drop of a hat. Atheists need proof to "truly" believe. Theists don't. For Theists true belief is easy. For atheists this instant true belief, looks like a false belief. But that's only because atheists are physically incapable of that same mental feat.
depthforge 6 months ago
So this is what happens when u throw your pearls b4 swine.
underman58 6 months ago
i'm happy so many people got to hear the gospel though!
ok enough comments lol...
stop08it 6 months ago
I think it's a weird approach to understand FAITH in GOD with our feeble logic....
Even the Bible proclaims "Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen." Hebrews 11:1 yet people want to bring logic into it we all have a decision to make..humble ourselves before Christ or take complete pride in our intellect and logic that has left SO MANY things in this world unanswered. At the end of the day, most people can ever say they never heard the gospel of Christ.
stop08it 6 months ago
@stop08it atheists think believing in God is stupid, even after you've died and seen him and come back to life after being clinically dead. it's probably stupid to think things like pascals wager can persuade them if 1st hand experience can't. the commission of a christian is not to convince, but to inform people of a choice they can make. tell them your testimony and the gospel and let God do the rest, you can lead a horse to water, but he'll only drink if he's thirsty.
depthforge 6 months ago
all i know is damn she's hot
siwooot 6 months ago
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@siwooot Google "kasey grant" if you like her. ;}
ScottishAtheist 6 months ago
Okay so you can paint a pretty picture to fit your arguments. Instead of "Fear of death" call it a "will to live". I call bullshit because most hardcore believers paint pro-abortionists as baby killers and refer to themselves as pro-lifers. People see the world how they want to see it. There really isn't any concievable way for most atheists to disprove the existence of God in believers eyes.
harrissizzle 6 months ago
Kelly its only by faith you know your gonna go home today.
martin101jc 6 months ago
Who did they chose to debate the televangelists?
odinata 6 months ago
part one has over 220,000 views and part eighteen has roughly 113,000 views. about 107,000 people are smarter than me.
parkerthehicks 6 months ago
God is real. Jesus came to save us. I've seen people get healed, legs growing out (my church friend was born with one leg short), my friend's mum being healed of brain tumours, astounding the doctor, demons fleeing people in the name of Jesus etc. I've seen lives change because of God. Accepting the Holy Spirit changed my life. No atheist can make me believe otherwise. My cousins have seen angels. The world is ending soon. There will be a nuclear war, famine in America, wars over water. Repent.
firefled 6 months ago
@firefled Do you have that on video?
jberling1 6 months ago
i think most sides made interesting points... debate is an amazing thing - people need to constantly be challenged, regardless of what they believe.
df61660a 6 months ago
"... little God-Box in my brain.. I won't let my logic seep into there"
I guess she is arguing that the individual's core-vision/heart which overrides logic is to be ignored. Why? Perhaps she believes it is a submission to ignorance.
In fact a fanatical adherence to the empirical framework of reasoning, is itself ignorance. Why? The Absolute Reality can't be understood by a method of knowledge acquisition affected by human flaws. That is not say one cannot overcome such obstacle.
manictatter 6 months ago
I would love to see this woman debate with KEN HAM....
PrincessZorlon 6 months ago
it never ceases to amaze me. in any type of superstition i have ever heard of, the only way to witness the unbelievable is to approach it with blind faith and the mindset that it cannot possibly be wrong. the human mind is an amazing thing in that it can twist reality to perceive what it wants to believe.
autopsy87 7 months ago
@revelation1234 Without being absolutely certain on any subject matter and then speaking on it as if it is law without any degree whatsoever of certainty is about the dumbest thing I'VE EVER HEARD.Atheist talk with a I KNOW BECAUSE I KNOW SCIENCE AND I KNOW THE BIBLE kind of attitude like they know something and they don't know anymore than anybody else. You know what'd be a better use of your brain? Figuring out how yo end world hunger or something POSITIVE. At least some churches are trying.
yesits107 7 months ago
If you believe in god, solely for the purpose of going to heaven, wouldn't god be able to tell, seeing as he is omniscient? Then, god would know that you don't really believe, and that you are not really a believer. Too many people believe in god, just so that they don't have to go to hell, or risk some other divine punishment. The only reason that religion really thrives is because of propaganda-- if you don't believe us, then you will suffer for eternity.
buckster888able 7 months ago
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@buckster888able John 3:16" For God so love the world that He gave his only begotten son that whosoever believeth in Him shall not PERISH but shall have EVERLASTING LIFE." God WANTS us to be with Him for eternity. He loves us so much that he sent Christ to die as a pure sacrifice so we could have access to a pure God.
stop08it 6 months ago
If a person humbles themselves and admits they are sinners and need Christ, then they as scripture said, they will be saved and Christ will change them from the inside out. It's not religion, It's following the real, living God who is above any rules religion can come up with.There are many many people (including me) that hated God, religion and questioned anything related to Christ but the moment we asked Jesus to save us...everything changed in a way that cannot be explained. Praying for you!
stop08it 6 months ago
@NachoFcheeze Ockham's Razor, I doubt you'll understand what I'm getting at by saying this. It is a philosophical term, and people that are familiar with the argument against your proof for god will understand.
jberling1 7 months ago
ANYBODY WANNA PROVE THERE IS NO GOD? CAUSE I DIDNT HEAR ANY PROOF.... AND TO BE QUITE HONEST IF THERE IS NO PROOF EITHER WAY THEN ARGUING ATHEIST ARGUMENTS IS JUST AS IRRATIONAL.... CHRISTIANS OFFER THIER FELLOWSIP AND IF THEY DON'T WANT IT..... WELL THEY JUST DON'T... THATS LIFE..... WHATEVER
yesits107 7 months ago
@yesits107 look dude if you ask someone to "disprove" something that hasnt even been proven in the first place its invalid...i could say disprove unicorns , or disprove dragons or disprove zeus or disprove apollo we would get no where.....you have to actually for something to exist THEN you can argue for someone to negate your proof....asking for someone to disprove somethings existence doesnt mean its real
revelation1234 7 months ago
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yesits107 7 months ago
Well, I watched the whole video as well....where was the evidence for evolution? I'm still waiting for someone to give SHOW ME proof that evolution exists!! Those two judgmental Atheists who "said" they read The Bible several times (THEY LIED) who is so Pious as to say God is a tyrant?? Who are you to judge God? You atheists don't like it when you're judged You hypocrite!!! Where was Kirk and Rays proof? WHERE WAS YOURS??? There is no proof of evolution it's a theory NOT TRUTH!!
bodom71 7 months ago
@bodom71
Il keep it simple bcoz its impossible to discusse it religous ppl,bcoz they repeat themselfs and ignore whats said.
By bible god created you,god created evertyhing from godness to evil from light to dark.He gave you the ability to be greedy and the ability to be good!
NOW!Lissen,its proved that human natural impulses are Greed,Jelousis and individualism!You have an worldwide prove!from corruptuion to theft!
(CONTINUES)
Over18xD1 7 months ago