Just to let you know the reason why the virgin birth. The virgin birth was more to do with Christ perfection. As from Adam all have inherited sin So Jesus could not be born by man and woman coming together as they have inherited sin from Adam. Jesus had to be Perfect. He was therefore born of the spirit and born of a virgin to keep his perfection. .
The other thing is that the virgin birth cancels out any claim Jesus has to being a descendant of David, as it was Joseph who had that bloodline, which means Jesus doesn't fulfill the prophecy in the old testament and it's yet another contradiction. Sorry guys, but you can't have it both ways.
No, it doesn't. It could've been flexible hymen (I don't know the proper English term), which doesn't break during intercourse - it's not uncommon. It could've been extraterrestrials. It could've been the Devil. It could've been Zeus...
You simply can't draw the logical chain from "it happened against all natural laws' to "therefore (my particular) god did it" - that's the entire point of the video and it requires only basic grasps of how logic and reason work.
You believe because you believe. That's OK - you are entitled to whatever faith you want to have. . But your FAITH EXPLAINS nothing and PROVES nothing.
@grozde : I remember now. We were talking about the virgin birth. But you are either misunderstanding me or taking me out of context. My faith doesn't prove that God is real or that a virgin birth happened. The fact that a virgin birth happened is what proves that God had a hand in it.
(a month ago): No, it doesn't. It could've been flexible hymen (I don't know the proper English term), which doesn't break during intercourse - it's not uncommon. It could've been extraterrestrials. It could've been the Devil. It could've been Zeus...You simply can't draw the logical chain from "it happened against all natural laws' to "therefore (my particular) god did it" - that's the entire point of the video and it requires only basic grasps of how logic and reason work.
Imagine 'Life/consciousness after death', but without the God and Religion nonsense.
It's quite real. I have been there. I imagine that mystics and the terminally ill came back and told about their experiences and then TPTB decide to create religion and God to control the masses.
Anyway, I will see you there in 80 years or so. And I don't care if you 'believe' me or not.
@SummerSunshine1988 ""God bless."? You are a real fucking cunt. Knowing someone to be an Atheist and saying "God bless." is like pissing in our fucking face with a retarded shitsucking grin on your face. You're nothing more than a hopeful recruiter for an invisible security blanket manufacturing company. Ram your religion up your buttcrack till it hurts, then fucking die, you annoying fucking troll."...That's what I'd say if I was @Knepperify LMFAO!
@TheCrimsonification : Wow.... Such a strong reaction to two little words that supposedly mean nothing to you.... Knepperify hasn't responded to my comment, which is fine. I assume he/she took it as it was meant to be taken: as simply words of parting.
@SummerSunshine1988 Listen up, ya SPAM inducing fuckup. Nobody on this Channel wants to hear, read or deal with your Bogus faith driven bullshit. Find a nice lil Theist Channel that will accept you for the retarded gullible piece of crap you are. THIS IS NOT A RECRUITING STATION FOR THEIST FUCKTARDS!!! This is a place for Atheists to hear logic and reason. Not Make believe fairy tales of gods. Now, find a dark hole to rot in, cunt.
@SummerSunshine1988 Yeah right. Run along and spew yet bullshit where it counts...to the other sheeple. Also, don't wanna ignore religion...CAN'T ignore religion. It strangles humanity at every fucking level. As a Christian that trolls Atheist sites, yer nothing more than a religious sewer dweller. Go fuck yerself sideways, bitch.
@SummerSunshine1988 Call in and be shot down like a fucking idiot. LOL Oh and I'm soooo fucking stoned right now. Pray for me Argentina and shit... FUCK YOU, endorser of lies!
@SummerSunshine1988 and no wonder @Knepperify never responded...after telling you to basically eat shit and die comment after comment. What part of "FUCK OFF" eludes yer retarded grey matter? Just sayin'. ......Pitstain.
@SummerSunshine1988 By what? Yer Bibblit? Eat shit god fearer. Nobody on Atheist channels wants to hear about yer repetitive bullshit. Fuck you and everyone like you. Oh...and don't forget to taste our Shitfuck cookies.
Always amuses me that god 'created' half the world's population with dicks and the other half with pussies -- yet putting one into another is so naughty that they had to get around this moral dilemma with virgin births :-)
@GodsTalkingSnake I don't want to start a long argument on it But the virgin birth was more to do with Christ perfection. As from Adam all have inherited sin So Jesus could not be born by man and woman as they have inherited sin from Adam. Jesus had to be Perfect. He was therefore born of the spirit and born of a virgin to keep his perfection. .
Maybe this sounds harsh but if Mr. Hitchens would be really as rational as he claims to be he hadn´t start smoking and presumable wouldn´t be boldd by chemotherapy.
But on the other hand one says: Do what the preacher says and not what he does.
(Of course one shouldn´t do sth. because Mr. Hitchens says it. I just mean: You don´t have to practice sth. valuable yourself in order to promote it. It stays valuable even if you don´t adhere it yourself).
Maybe this sounds bitter but if Mr. Hitchens would be really as rational as he claims to be he hadn´t start smoking and presumable wouldn´t be boldd by chemotherapy.
But on the other hand one says: Do what the preacher says and not what he does.
(Of course one shouldn´t do sth. because Mr. Hitchens says it. I just mean: You don´t have to practice sth. valuable yourself in order to promote it. It stays valuable even if you don´t adhere it yourself).
So it´s the question, if I can ever say that Jesus- whom I of course never met personally- really existed, no matter how much hints or even proof is presented to me. In my understanding it still would be necessary that I construct the data to a reality which I would add to the world I am confronted with.
@VitoPossilipo But has the percepted reality to be called the real reality? If yes, Jesus definetly is not a real person in the world I live in.
I hope these comments didn´t sound to condescending because compared to my idols Arthur Schopenhauer (whose ontology I mostly admire but whose misantropism I reject) and Ludwig Wittgenstein I am a tiny amateur in philosophy.
And it´s not only that we don´t witness most of the things we are convinced that they exist (the other side of the world, atoms, x-rays, yes even the back of our head) but it is also unclear, if things we don´t percept can be called existing at all (the riddle with the falling tree).
@VitoPossilipo No that's the argument that "If I'm not around then nothing really happens". It doesn't work that way, the universe is cause and effect, things don't just decide to happen, every single thing that ever happens is a result of the big bang and every effect that has ever occured is traceable back to that single origin.
@Yebisu22 Thank you for your reply. I think it´s a language problem. "To exist" seems to be one of those expressions no one has a concrete idea what they mean. When does sth. exist? What has it to do so you call it existing? For whom is the universe cause an effect? Per se? But what or who is "se"? How is an objective reality imaginable?
Maybe more then one prophet was born by a virgin... only to be fair, I don´t believe in Jesus. I don´t believe in believe. I believe in witnessing. The world I can witness consists of perceptions. The rest is imagination, construction.The world we are convinced to live in is more than 90 percent constructed by our mind. (to be continued)
And another one bites the dust...I cannot believe that without any evidence, ie, more virgin births since then, people can still believe in this garbage. Especially when it points to, as Christopher said, many other legends. Can people just connect the dots already?
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@babyblueknowwho - Yes, Isis (who transformed into Neith or Nephthys) was a virgin, just like the mothers of just about all the sun-gods. Crazy, isn't it?
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@ThevanGoghBlues - hey, I'm with you. Curious why you said "when you find a bible printed before 1851, let me know" - KJV, 1611. You can find it on the internet for free. Cheers...
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what really happened tho the ''virgin'' mary was that she went to a nightclub with her mates and got pissed drunk and got plowed by 4 tansexual mexican migits and took a pregnancy test a few days later and just told everyone that she was a virgin so she wouldnt be killed. If jesus is god and god gave mary a baby then that means that jesus slept with mary the bible is full of incest
@TomFynn Ha ha! Not exactly, but I personally think that there's value in the numinous experience and the cultivation of the self.
I was refering to the three Abrahamic religions, and even though, for example, Hindhuism has a plethora of absurdities, I don't think the world would be a better place without yoga.
I guess the nearest to fact-based religion would be maths-based religion?
@Rhizomio Don't think so. Math is to say: Assuming this precisely formulated axiom to be true then applying those agreed upon algorithms this would be true also.
Religion is to say: This is true for unstated reasons, and therefore you must do that. Or else.
BTW: Yoga might be good for health, but it works without any recourse to the supernatural.
@TomFynn - I'm with you, I think, 100%. You wondered if there are fact-based religions; I think the one that comes closest was Homaranismo, invented (as you know, all religions are invented) by L. L. Zamenhof, the man who gave us Esperanto. Unfortunately it never took off. Another good one is Jainism. Just FYI. Cheers...
@geneolune Never heard of Homaranismo. Interesting, but sounds more like a declaration of principles (damn good ones btw) than a religion.
I've already checked up on Jainism (Sam Harris' the Man) but I can't help feelling that a religion whose adherents do not even take plough to field because they might hurt an earthworm is something that works only with a very, very few adherents.
@geneolune Why is it that Atheists, as in this case, can come to amicable agreements when religionists, faced with disagreement, generally call for Holy War?
@TomFynn - I guess they have God on their side. They "know" they are right, and can't wait to get to "heaven." That's what nineteen 9/11 hijackers prove.
@eaziee2k8 Including the children raped to death in Africa every day because the locals believe raping a virgin cures AIDS. Even those blessed souls have a purpose, right? The souls that spend their short time on the planet shrieking in agony and dying horrid, lonely deaths. Yes, God truly has a wonderful and majestic plan in store for those little ones.
Seems to me that the only people who believe what you advocate dont have a care in the world. Rich, stupid, lazy, and DAFT.
Virginity means that there is no father, so the new-born has no authority over him, as it is presumed that mother is not authority only someone to help. (serve , to put it brutally)
@eaziee2k8 You mean by desire of the soon-hopefully to be born baby, as parents unbeknownst to them are mere tools. The desire of parents is in fact desire of spirits that encourage them to do it. By the way it is that way as it is more believable .. All matter is based on faith it seems and it is important that newborn and parents believe in matter. As well. They are to forget the past and immerse in the NOW.
That is part of learning experience and existence is pain if you do not know how .
I think that first of all we do know nothing, second yes, all those prophets could have actually be born from Virgins, but then again what is a Virgin? A woman who had no sexual intercourse with man, but could have had and of'course had with some Deity. (Extraterrestrial being per se, easily spirit itself.)
@MissSaharaja Sorry, never said the bible as irrelevent, I dont know what you mean by "mystical", the bible is an historical artefact, thats it.
I dont care about how often the bible was translated or edited, those are obvious, I'm more interested in the fragile psychologies of people who actually believe in supernatural nonsense.
@CarlosMarti123 One mistranslation I can remember off the top of my head is the Virgin Mary, The word actually used in Hebrew scriptures is "almah" (="young woman"). Have you ever played the telephone game where youy have a circle of 20 people and you are suppose to say the same sentence all the way around. It's like that, some might diliberately mess it up while others repeat it the way they heard it. Now try doing that with a thousands of sentences for 2000 years, now you have the bible.
@SuperDanksta - you got that right, excellent. It was the person who translated the Torah into Greek (Septuagint, 3rd C BCE), changing "almah" to "virgin" ("parthenos" in Greek, later translated to "virgo" in Latin). He changed a number of key things, seemingly on purpose.
@CarlosMarti123 - The Bible hasn't been mistranslated or edited? What about the parts that were mistranslated? Ever hear of the Septuagint? Mistranslated in MANY places. How many versions of the bible exist, in English alone? Why are they not all identical? Why are they so very different? Why doesn the bible contract itself, even within the same version?
There is no such thing as the immaculate conception, The lineage of Jesus thru Joseph is right there to say Jesus was from the seed of Joseph. Plain & simple. Roman Catholicism turned it into a typical pagan myth of a fatherless divine son bcus the public they were dealing with & were trying to convert was pagan. The NT says Joseph impregnated Mary before marriage but he didn't want to make spectacle out of her. That happened then just like today, sex before marriage was quite normal.
@asherasator - Uhh... you ought to read the NT, it doesn't say Joseph impregnated Mary. It says "angels" met with them and told them the "Holy Ghost" was going to rape (my word, not theirs) Mary. It was all forged to make Jesus seem to be predicted by an OT passage (also forged by some writer in the corrupt Septuagint). Take care...
Honestly, almost all of Chrsitians I know believe that the immaculate conception was Jesus, instead of Mary. I've even mentioned it to many Catholics, who laughed at me and said I must be mistaken. The truth, from my experience, seems to be that most Chrstians are blind even to the facts of their own religion.
Many beliefs believe in immaculate conceptions. Fabrication is the name of the day with these stories.; the trouble is if something is repeated enough folk will believe it.
It is not important whatsoever to Christians. It's barely mentioned at all in the bible. Even St. Paul never once mentions anything of a virgin birth. It's only important to denominations like the Catholic Church who have made it into something it is not.
@ThevanGoghBlues Isn't it mormons that believe God has a physical, albeit perfect, body? That he lives on another planet or something? I'm not sure, it's all crazy to me.
@ThevanGoghBlues , people, cmon. The Jesus story is a remake of the Egyptian story or Horus. .. .virgin birth... 12 disciples... rise from the dead... blah blah blah.. Thousands of years before the bible was written
There is not a single shred of contemporary documentation that corroborates any of the events that allegedly occurred in the NT. The people of the ancient world were very literate and they assiduously documented the history and events of their time. It is important to understand that none of jesus' contemporaries independently mention any of jesus' alleged miracles or works. The NT is entirely unsubstantiated and it is, for all practical purposes, a work of fiction. Why lie about it,
the god having kids with mortal women idea is not exclusive to christianity in fact it predates it, in greek mythology zues used to do it all the time..but his kid hercules wasn't a pussy like jesus
@spacecowboy95 It's not exactly all that smart to say that it's weird for people who believe in god to believe in immaculate conception. I mean seriously. If a person believes in God and God created the universe(their belief), then what is so weird about them also believing in the virgin birth? So God can create planets and stars but not a simple baby? I mean, if you don't believe in God, fine, but Christians do, so therefore the virgin birth is perfectly logical for Christians.
@carlylespicks Of the 46 chromosomes, 23 of Jesus' chromosomes must have been from god (or that nasty Roman soldier). Some of that god DNA may still be on the shroud of Turin, which might be a good source to settle the matter, since now DNA may be extracted from long-dead mastodons and Neanderthals. However, I doubt that even god's DNA (any god of any religion) would convince atheists that religion is nothing more than a ploy of smart folks to control the masses of stupid people around them.
@grubelsucht Silly mortal! God's logic is above ALL THINGS! That means that your silly "discovery" of dioxyribonucleaicacid, or "DNA" is irrelevant! Ha, besides, the only chromosome that matters is the cross-shaped one...(Get it?) By the way, I am being entirely facetious.
@ThevanGoghBlues - [The bible is the] "longest, most painfully boring yet shockingly filthy read" - you said it, man. And not just the OT - the NT is nasty. Did you ever hear the story about Randolph Churchill taking on a bet that he couldn't read the bible in 2 weeks? Hilarious.
Duh? It's a spiritual story. Virgin means without sex, a spiritual birth. Jesus of Nazareth was born vaginally. Jesus the Christ is born of a virgin birth, a spiritual birth of a human being, not a human doing. It's simple. Human doings are mammals. Human beings are energies born again of a spiritual virgin nature. The Jesus Christ myth is the Osiris myth. These myths are spiritual stories, not historical facts, with a spiritual or virgin meaning not a sexual meaning. It's that simple.
@JesusWasAnAsshole Not just for the times, the onset of puberty has remained constant. The only true followers of scripture would have to be the mormons: get em young, get em often, very biblical.
@Elementboy6522 --rape is a physical and sexual act of force over a female by a sicko guy; the Virgin Birth was spiritual, without sex or force, and the Virgin Mary was obediant at the Annunciation: "Let it be done according to your word".
@TheGhostFromPlanetX First we have to know if the story did happen... or if Mary actually just made Jesus while moaning god and thus she kept on with the story.
@TheGhostFromPlanetX Oops, careful there. Luke 1:26-38 also declared Joseph, not Mary, of the line of David. So, if you want Mary to have acquiesced to god's advances, you must accept that Jesus was not of the line of David, thwarting prophecy.
@TheGhostFromPlanetX Not according to the annunciation passage of Luke. Also, the Hebrews not only intermarried among the tribes, they married non-Israelites.
@TheGhostFromPlanetX Surely you must understand the Israelites by now. Nothing forbidden is inopportune. Only one other gospel describes Mary as of the house of David. Luke clearly rejects it.
@Elementboy6522 I've always wondered the same thing. Especially since a god that WANTS her to have a child doesn't give her any chance to say no. Can you imagine?
God: You will have a child, and he will be my son!
Woman: Uh... no thanks. I'm kind of seeing this guy, and we have a good thing going. Sooo....
God: Uh.. hmm.... ok.... WOW, that was weird. Alright, bye... I guess...
@Xalimander Sorry, my comment was'nt detailed enough. What i meant was that according to the stories, "God" made a woman pregnant forcefully and without her intercourse :p
@ThevanGoghBlues That last bit is untrue, because Mary and Jesus are characters in the four gospels, and those gospels do make the claim that Mary was a virgin. Whether or not the gospels quoted those specific characters making that claim is irrelevant, because everything those characters said came from the same writers of the four respective books. You could just as easily say that not once did Harry Potter claim he was the chosen one, or something. Fictional characters are just vehicles.
@MrTickleparty everything written in the Bible is true. The scriptures can't be broken. not every passage give the subject the full treatment so often yuou have to dig.
@MrTickleparty Man never changed it ,It is still in the bible slaves was different back then they treated them good only the evil people like the Egyptian used to treat them bad
@ThevanGoghBlues this is not true... Hitchens does not mention it here, although in the next segment i think he was about to... he said there were two things that suggest Jesus was a real historical figure...the first (he did mention this) was what he considered to be monkeying about with the birthplace of Jesus to fulfull prophecy. the one he did not mention is a Roman police-blotter type historical entry talking about having to deal with some riotous hubbub led by Chrestus
So I guess it's ok that an angel fucked mary so she could give birth to jesus as a 'virgin' and do away with the senseless shame religion created over sex in the first place!! -Good greif!!!!
The immaculate conceptions refers to Mary's conception, not Jesus'. Jesus could not be born of a sinner, thus Mary must have been born without sin in order to be a suitable vessel. Or, so goes the claim at least.
@tetherson So what? The problem is not just that Jesus was allegedly born or a virgin, or born without sin, or that Mary's conception was immaculate. The problem is the concept of Original Sin.The notion that anyone is "born in sin," or "born a sinner" because of something a mythological couple did 6,000 years ago, requiring a Jesus to born born sinless so that he could die for all our sins, especially the one we had nothing to do with, that were a mere accident of birth, is simply abhorrent.
Considering the law at the time, when adultery and sex outside of wedlock got you stoned to death, I'm pretty sure I would have lied to avoid this.
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Just to let you know the reason why the virgin birth. The virgin birth was more to do with Christ perfection. As from Adam all have inherited sin So Jesus could not be born by man and woman coming together as they have inherited sin from Adam. Jesus had to be Perfect. He was therefore born of the spirit and born of a virgin to keep his perfection. .
ZeusHelios 3 weeks ago
I am so sick of these "...and I'm a Mormon" ads plastered all over Youtube. Give it a fucking rest already.
DoNotCiv 3 weeks ago
I'm thinking what was most likely is that mary cheated and made up the story so joseph wouldn't have her stoned to death.
illuminatus99 1 month ago
why are people saying rest in peace to a man who didn't believe in an afterlife?
Darkfollower666 1 month ago
we will miss his approach to make us think.... who willl step up now?
MrCalathea 2 months ago
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Maybe a quark pulled into a black hole?
MrSandpoet 2 months ago
I love Christopher. He was such a light. His words still are. May he rest in peace.
jdub94ful 2 months ago 4
Rest in piece Mr. Hitchens.
pinora13 2 months ago
Was this guy with Stonewall Jackson at Bonkers Hill?
amitus8 2 months ago
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SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
The other thing is that the virgin birth cancels out any claim Jesus has to being a descendant of David, as it was Joseph who had that bloodline, which means Jesus doesn't fulfill the prophecy in the old testament and it's yet another contradiction. Sorry guys, but you can't have it both ways.
Yebisu22 2 months ago 3
Christ was born to a virgin. God's will can accomplish anything, even impregnating a virgin.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988
The point is that even IF Jesus was born by a virgin, this doesn't prove he's god.
grozde 2 months ago
@grozde : Well, it certainly proves that God had a hand in it. Women don't usually become pregnant without having sex first.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988
No, it doesn't. It could've been flexible hymen (I don't know the proper English term), which doesn't break during intercourse - it's not uncommon. It could've been extraterrestrials. It could've been the Devil. It could've been Zeus...
You simply can't draw the logical chain from "it happened against all natural laws' to "therefore (my particular) god did it" - that's the entire point of the video and it requires only basic grasps of how logic and reason work.
grozde 2 months ago
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@grozde : Jesus Christ is the God that I have faith in. No others exist. So that's the answer I stick by.
SummerSunshine1988 2 months ago
@SummerSunshine1988
This answer makes no sense.
It's a NONanswer.
You believe because you believe. That's OK - you are entitled to whatever faith you want to have. . But your FAITH EXPLAINS nothing and PROVES nothing.
grozde 3 weeks ago
@grozde : I don't recall saying that faith proves anything.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Me: "this doesn't prove he's god."
You: "it certainly proves that God had a hand in it"
It DOES seem to me that we were talking about evidence... Otherwise, what you say is pointless: I KNOW you believe in Jesus, it's obvious.
grozde 3 weeks ago
@grozde : I remember now. We were talking about the virgin birth. But you are either misunderstanding me or taking me out of context. My faith doesn't prove that God is real or that a virgin birth happened. The fact that a virgin birth happened is what proves that God had a hand in it.
SummerSunshine1988 3 weeks ago
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@SummerSunshine1988
(a month ago): No, it doesn't. It could've been flexible hymen (I don't know the proper English term), which doesn't break during intercourse - it's not uncommon. It could've been extraterrestrials. It could've been the Devil. It could've been Zeus...You simply can't draw the logical chain from "it happened against all natural laws' to "therefore (my particular) god did it" - that's the entire point of the video and it requires only basic grasps of how logic and reason work.
grozde 3 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988
There is no cure for your brand of stupidity and ignorance.
I look forward to your encounter with death and your realization that your faith is fiction.
Knepperify1 2 weeks ago
@Knepperify1 : That's funny. If I am dead, I won't be realizing anything.
SummerSunshine1988 2 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988
That is incorrect.
Imagine 'Life/consciousness after death', but without the God and Religion nonsense.
It's quite real. I have been there. I imagine that mystics and the terminally ill came back and told about their experiences and then TPTB decide to create religion and God to control the masses.
Anyway, I will see you there in 80 years or so. And I don't care if you 'believe' me or not.
Knepperify1 2 weeks ago
@Knepperify1 : Life after death is only possible if Somebody made it possible. And He did! That somebody is God.
SummerSunshine1988 2 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988
Nonsense. This is circular reasoning.
Your intellectual inability to conceptualize of a world without something/one 'making it' is your limit, not mine.
I have died. I came back, and there is no God there. That's human power structure talking and that's not what's there.
But there IS something, life if you want to call it, after death.
Thus:
No God
No Religion
But you go on after you die.
Anyway, I look forward to your shock when you 'get it'. See you there.
Knepperify1 2 weeks ago
@Knepperify1 : God bless.
SummerSunshine1988 2 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 ""God bless."? You are a real fucking cunt. Knowing someone to be an Atheist and saying "God bless." is like pissing in our fucking face with a retarded shitsucking grin on your face. You're nothing more than a hopeful recruiter for an invisible security blanket manufacturing company. Ram your religion up your buttcrack till it hurts, then fucking die, you annoying fucking troll."...That's what I'd say if I was @Knepperify LMFAO!
Go sing Kumbaya and choke to death, theist.
TheCrimsonification 2 weeks ago
@TheCrimsonification : Wow.... Such a strong reaction to two little words that supposedly mean nothing to you.... Knepperify hasn't responded to my comment, which is fine. I assume he/she took it as it was meant to be taken: as simply words of parting.
SummerSunshine1988 2 weeks ago
@SummerSunshine1988 It's the intent behind it. I'm not gay, but if someone called me a faggot, I'd get pissed.
fundslender 1 week ago
@fundslender : I'd be ticked too.
SummerSunshine1988 1 week ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Listen up, ya SPAM inducing fuckup. Nobody on this Channel wants to hear, read or deal with your Bogus faith driven bullshit. Find a nice lil Theist Channel that will accept you for the retarded gullible piece of crap you are. THIS IS NOT A RECRUITING STATION FOR THEIST FUCKTARDS!!! This is a place for Atheists to hear logic and reason. Not Make believe fairy tales of gods. Now, find a dark hole to rot in, cunt.
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@TheCrimsonification : We are instructed to share God's word. I am not going to let a few unkind words stop me from doing so.
SummerSunshine1988 1 week ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Yeah right. Run along and spew yet bullshit where it counts...to the other sheeple. Also, don't wanna ignore religion...CAN'T ignore religion. It strangles humanity at every fucking level. As a Christian that trolls Atheist sites, yer nothing more than a religious sewer dweller. Go fuck yerself sideways, bitch.
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@TheCrimsonification : My, aren't you pleasant.
SummerSunshine1988 1 week ago
@SummerSunshine1988 Call in and be shot down like a fucking idiot. LOL Oh and I'm soooo fucking stoned right now. Pray for me Argentina and shit... FUCK YOU, endorser of lies!
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@SummerSunshine1988 and no wonder @Knepperify never responded...after telling you to basically eat shit and die comment after comment. What part of "FUCK OFF" eludes yer retarded grey matter? Just sayin'. ......Pitstain.
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@SummerSunshine1988 By what? Yer Bibblit? Eat shit god fearer. Nobody on Atheist channels wants to hear about yer repetitive bullshit. Fuck you and everyone like you. Oh...and don't forget to taste our Shitfuck cookies.
TheCrimsonification 1 week ago
@TheCrimsonification : You can easily ignore me if you don't care to hear what I have to say.
SummerSunshine1988 1 week ago
@grozde
Joseph could have ejaculated on her crotch without penetration.
There. She's a virgin, science explains it, no God needed.
Teen boys and girls are so fertile, this can happen.
Also, Mary was 13 or 14. Joseph was maybe 20, possibly 15-17.
They were kids.
Knepperify1 2 months ago
@Knepperify1
Actually, Joseph was an old guy. Yep. Christians - like Muhammad - are also not above paedophilia.
grozde 3 weeks ago
@grozde Do not feed the Christian...
panterasux22 4 weeks ago
Always amuses me that god 'created' half the world's population with dicks and the other half with pussies -- yet putting one into another is so naughty that they had to get around this moral dilemma with virgin births :-)
GodsTalkingSnake 3 months ago 59
@GodsTalkingSnake I don't want to start a long argument on it But the virgin birth was more to do with Christ perfection. As from Adam all have inherited sin So Jesus could not be born by man and woman as they have inherited sin from Adam. Jesus had to be Perfect. He was therefore born of the spirit and born of a virgin to keep his perfection. .
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VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
Maybe this sounds harsh but if Mr. Hitchens would be really as rational as he claims to be he hadn´t start smoking and presumable wouldn´t be boldd by chemotherapy.
But on the other hand one says: Do what the preacher says and not what he does.
(Of course one shouldn´t do sth. because Mr. Hitchens says it. I just mean: You don´t have to practice sth. valuable yourself in order to promote it. It stays valuable even if you don´t adhere it yourself).
VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
@VitoPossilipo harsh and ignorant.
dkthg 3 months ago
@dkthg Thank you for your reply.
How far had my words been ignorant? Wasn´t it smoking what made him bold?
VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
Maybe this sounds bitter but if Mr. Hitchens would be really as rational as he claims to be he hadn´t start smoking and presumable wouldn´t be boldd by chemotherapy.
But on the other hand one says: Do what the preacher says and not what he does.
(Of course one shouldn´t do sth. because Mr. Hitchens says it. I just mean: You don´t have to practice sth. valuable yourself in order to promote it. It stays valuable even if you don´t adhere it yourself).
VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
So it´s the question, if I can ever say that Jesus- whom I of course never met personally- really existed, no matter how much hints or even proof is presented to me. In my understanding it still would be necessary that I construct the data to a reality which I would add to the world I am confronted with.
VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
@VitoPossilipo But has the percepted reality to be called the real reality? If yes, Jesus definetly is not a real person in the world I live in.
I hope these comments didn´t sound to condescending because compared to my idols Arthur Schopenhauer (whose ontology I mostly admire but whose misantropism I reject) and Ludwig Wittgenstein I am a tiny amateur in philosophy.
VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
And it´s not only that we don´t witness most of the things we are convinced that they exist (the other side of the world, atoms, x-rays, yes even the back of our head) but it is also unclear, if things we don´t percept can be called existing at all (the riddle with the falling tree).
VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
@VitoPossilipo No that's the argument that "If I'm not around then nothing really happens". It doesn't work that way, the universe is cause and effect, things don't just decide to happen, every single thing that ever happens is a result of the big bang and every effect that has ever occured is traceable back to that single origin.
Yebisu22 2 months ago
@Yebisu22 Thank you for your reply. I think it´s a language problem. "To exist" seems to be one of those expressions no one has a concrete idea what they mean. When does sth. exist? What has it to do so you call it existing? For whom is the universe cause an effect? Per se? But what or who is "se"? How is an objective reality imaginable?
VitoPossilipo 2 months ago
Maybe more then one prophet was born by a virgin... only to be fair, I don´t believe in Jesus. I don´t believe in believe. I believe in witnessing. The world I can witness consists of perceptions. The rest is imagination, construction.The world we are convinced to live in is more than 90 percent constructed by our mind. (to be continued)
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VitoPossilipo 3 months ago
And another one bites the dust...I cannot believe that without any evidence, ie, more virgin births since then, people can still believe in this garbage. Especially when it points to, as Christopher said, many other legends. Can people just connect the dots already?
rockygecko 4 months ago
Lulz at the christian keyboard crusaders!
yawn at the repetition though, it just gets so old!
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mechanicmike69 5 months ago
Not to split hairs, but was Isis really a virgin in that tale? I thought I read that golden dildo did the trick. But, y'know, who can say?
babyblueknowwho 5 months ago
@babyblueknowwho - Yes, Isis (who transformed into Neith or Nephthys) was a virgin, just like the mothers of just about all the sun-gods. Crazy, isn't it?
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@ThevanGoghBlues - hey, I'm with you. Curious why you said "when you find a bible printed before 1851, let me know" - KJV, 1611. You can find it on the internet for free. Cheers...
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figbat1 5 months ago
The story of Jesus being born of a virgin is just a fairy story. See my website:biblethumpingatheist.co.uk
tomecrawford 6 months ago
what really happened tho the ''virgin'' mary was that she went to a nightclub with her mates and got pissed drunk and got plowed by 4 tansexual mexican migits and took a pregnancy test a few days later and just told everyone that she was a virgin so she wouldnt be killed. If jesus is god and god gave mary a baby then that means that jesus slept with mary the bible is full of incest
davidmorrison09 6 months ago
Possibly the greatest public speaker of... (shall I? Oh, go on then...) ALL TIME. Love the Hitch. Telling it how it is.
johnjosmith42 6 months ago
Religions are great; faith based religions are idiotic.
Rhizomio 6 months ago
@Rhizomio well, as The Smiths would say: You're half-wrong.
johnjosmith42 6 months ago
@Rhizomio Holy Shit! Does that mean that there are fact-based Religions?
TomFynn 6 months ago
@TomFynn Ha ha! Not exactly, but I personally think that there's value in the numinous experience and the cultivation of the self.
I was refering to the three Abrahamic religions, and even though, for example, Hindhuism has a plethora of absurdities, I don't think the world would be a better place without yoga.
I guess the nearest to fact-based religion would be maths-based religion?
Rhizomio 6 months ago
@Rhizomio Don't think so. Math is to say: Assuming this precisely formulated axiom to be true then applying those agreed upon algorithms this would be true also.
Religion is to say: This is true for unstated reasons, and therefore you must do that. Or else.
BTW: Yoga might be good for health, but it works without any recourse to the supernatural.
TomFynn 6 months ago
@TomFynn - I'm with you, I think, 100%. You wondered if there are fact-based religions; I think the one that comes closest was Homaranismo, invented (as you know, all religions are invented) by L. L. Zamenhof, the man who gave us Esperanto. Unfortunately it never took off. Another good one is Jainism. Just FYI. Cheers...
geneolune 5 months ago
@geneolune Never heard of Homaranismo. Interesting, but sounds more like a declaration of principles (damn good ones btw) than a religion.
I've already checked up on Jainism (Sam Harris' the Man) but I can't help feelling that a religion whose adherents do not even take plough to field because they might hurt an earthworm is something that works only with a very, very few adherents.
TomFynn 5 months ago
@TomFynn - Good point on the Jains and worms. And I agree with you on Homaranismo, in general. And yes - Sam Harris is the man!!
geneolune 5 months ago
@geneolune Why is it that Atheists, as in this case, can come to amicable agreements when religionists, faced with disagreement, generally call for Holy War?
TomFynn 5 months ago
@TomFynn - I guess they have God on their side. They "know" they are right, and can't wait to get to "heaven." That's what nineteen 9/11 hijackers prove.
geneolune 5 months ago
Why does Hitchens validate the idea that clowns like Dinesh D'Souza and William Lane Craig are "intellectuals" by debating them?
jimbrown257 6 months ago
@jimbrown257 - I have to agree with you. I love Hitchens, but why bother with credulous pious brainwashed idiots like Craig and D'Souza.
TownCryo 6 months ago
@eaziee2k8 Including the children raped to death in Africa every day because the locals believe raping a virgin cures AIDS. Even those blessed souls have a purpose, right? The souls that spend their short time on the planet shrieking in agony and dying horrid, lonely deaths. Yes, God truly has a wonderful and majestic plan in store for those little ones.
Seems to me that the only people who believe what you advocate dont have a care in the world. Rich, stupid, lazy, and DAFT.
djmooreUSMC 6 months ago
Christopher Hitchens.... You Rock!!
In all these debates you're the only one who tells it as it is.. (You and Sam harris)
Keep spreading the Good word that is truth.
Jesus was not an X-man
MrBoggles 6 months ago
Virginity means that there is no father, so the new-born has no authority over him, as it is presumed that mother is not authority only someone to help. (serve , to put it brutally)
Kawagi1 6 months ago
@eaziee2k8 You mean by desire of the soon-hopefully to be born baby, as parents unbeknownst to them are mere tools. The desire of parents is in fact desire of spirits that encourage them to do it. By the way it is that way as it is more believable .. All matter is based on faith it seems and it is important that newborn and parents believe in matter. As well. They are to forget the past and immerse in the NOW.
That is part of learning experience and existence is pain if you do not know how .
Kawagi1 6 months ago
I think that first of all we do know nothing, second yes, all those prophets could have actually be born from Virgins, but then again what is a Virgin? A woman who had no sexual intercourse with man, but could have had and of'course had with some Deity. (Extraterrestrial being per se, easily spirit itself.)
Kawagi1 6 months ago
He should do one called "why the abortion right is important for liberals and the atheists who ride their coat-tails" just to even things out a bit.
fashklash 6 months ago
I think virgin birth has a symbolic meaning in religions and mythology of the world.
LiberalPonder 6 months ago
@MissSaharaja Sorry, never said the bible as irrelevent, I dont know what you mean by "mystical", the bible is an historical artefact, thats it.
I dont care about how often the bible was translated or edited, those are obvious, I'm more interested in the fragile psychologies of people who actually believe in supernatural nonsense.
spacecowboy95 7 months ago
@spacecowboy95 The Bible hasn't been mistranslated or edited, you retard.
carm(.)org/manuscript-evidence
CarlosMarti123 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 The bible hasn't been edited?
What about all the parts where it was edited?
Wow dude, I love how you guys will just outright lie for your faith.
spacecowboy95 7 months ago
@spacecowboy95 “What about all the parts where it was edited?”
Like which ones?
CarlosMarti123 7 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 check awitness.org slash essays slash bizarre.
MunkyDrag0n 7 months ago
@MunkyDrag0n Broken link 404.
CarlosMarti123 6 months ago
@CarlosMarti123 One mistranslation I can remember off the top of my head is the Virgin Mary, The word actually used in Hebrew scriptures is "almah" (="young woman"). Have you ever played the telephone game where youy have a circle of 20 people and you are suppose to say the same sentence all the way around. It's like that, some might diliberately mess it up while others repeat it the way they heard it. Now try doing that with a thousands of sentences for 2000 years, now you have the bible.
SuperDanksta 6 months ago
@SuperDanksta - you got that right, excellent. It was the person who translated the Torah into Greek (Septuagint, 3rd C BCE), changing "almah" to "virgin" ("parthenos" in Greek, later translated to "virgo" in Latin). He changed a number of key things, seemingly on purpose.
ApolloniusJr 6 months ago
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@CarlosMarti123 - The Bible hasn't been mistranslated or edited? What about the parts that were mistranslated? Ever hear of the Septuagint? Mistranslated in MANY places. How many versions of the bible exist, in English alone? Why are they not all identical? Why are they so very different? Why doesn the bible contract itself, even within the same version?
ApolloniusJr 6 months ago
There is no such thing as the immaculate conception, The lineage of Jesus thru Joseph is right there to say Jesus was from the seed of Joseph. Plain & simple. Roman Catholicism turned it into a typical pagan myth of a fatherless divine son bcus the public they were dealing with & were trying to convert was pagan. The NT says Joseph impregnated Mary before marriage but he didn't want to make spectacle out of her. That happened then just like today, sex before marriage was quite normal.
asherasator 7 months ago
@asherasator - Uhh... you ought to read the NT, it doesn't say Joseph impregnated Mary. It says "angels" met with them and told them the "Holy Ghost" was going to rape (my word, not theirs) Mary. It was all forged to make Jesus seem to be predicted by an OT passage (also forged by some writer in the corrupt Septuagint). Take care...
geneolune 5 months ago
Honestly, almost all of Chrsitians I know believe that the immaculate conception was Jesus, instead of Mary. I've even mentioned it to many Catholics, who laughed at me and said I must be mistaken. The truth, from my experience, seems to be that most Chrstians are blind even to the facts of their own religion.
7j8i9m 7 months ago
Many beliefs believe in immaculate conceptions. Fabrication is the name of the day with these stories.; the trouble is if something is repeated enough folk will believe it.
rohansrider 7 months ago
How many stories did he quote about the virgin birth from other prophets prophesies?
hobbi1123 7 months ago
It is not important whatsoever to Christians. It's barely mentioned at all in the bible. Even St. Paul never once mentions anything of a virgin birth. It's only important to denominations like the Catholic Church who have made it into something it is not.
gmdinformation 7 months ago
@ThevanGoghBlues Isn't it mormons that believe God has a physical, albeit perfect, body? That he lives on another planet or something? I'm not sure, it's all crazy to me.
Clubbingshawn 7 months ago
@ThevanGoghBlues , people, cmon. The Jesus story is a remake of the Egyptian story or Horus. .. .virgin birth... 12 disciples... rise from the dead... blah blah blah.. Thousands of years before the bible was written
JesusWasAnAsshole 7 months ago
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There is not a single shred of contemporary documentation that corroborates any of the events that allegedly occurred in the NT. The people of the ancient world were very literate and they assiduously documented the history and events of their time. It is important to understand that none of jesus' contemporaries independently mention any of jesus' alleged miracles or works. The NT is entirely unsubstantiated and it is, for all practical purposes, a work of fiction. Why lie about it,
sailcat9 7 months ago
some woman in the middle east got knocked up and claimed to have the son of God, you now know the birth of Christianity
TheRationalist76 8 months ago 2
the god having kids with mortal women idea is not exclusive to christianity in fact it predates it, in greek mythology zues used to do it all the time..but his kid hercules wasn't a pussy like jesus
bigmanoooo1 8 months ago 2
how the fuck can anyone be so stupid to believe the virgin birth story? its just so weird...
spacecowboy95 8 months ago 58
@spacecowboy95 Darth Vader did, but it was his Mom so ya know.
quantumG 5 months ago
@spacecowboy95 Agreed.....I call that whole story "The Virgin Birth / Zombie God " story.
jb111082 5 months ago
@spacecowboy95 It's not exactly all that smart to say that it's weird for people who believe in god to believe in immaculate conception. I mean seriously. If a person believes in God and God created the universe(their belief), then what is so weird about them also believing in the virgin birth? So God can create planets and stars but not a simple baby? I mean, if you don't believe in God, fine, but Christians do, so therefore the virgin birth is perfectly logical for Christians.
carlylespicks 5 months ago
@carlylespicks Of the 46 chromosomes, 23 of Jesus' chromosomes must have been from god (or that nasty Roman soldier). Some of that god DNA may still be on the shroud of Turin, which might be a good source to settle the matter, since now DNA may be extracted from long-dead mastodons and Neanderthals. However, I doubt that even god's DNA (any god of any religion) would convince atheists that religion is nothing more than a ploy of smart folks to control the masses of stupid people around them.
grubelsucht 4 months ago
@grubelsucht Silly mortal! God's logic is above ALL THINGS! That means that your silly "discovery" of dioxyribonucleaicacid, or "DNA" is irrelevant! Ha, besides, the only chromosome that matters is the cross-shaped one...(Get it?) By the way, I am being entirely facetious.
rockygecko 4 months ago 2
@ThevanGoghBlues The human race needs to throw off the yoke of these religious fairy tale myths once and for all.
mrbrianmccarthy 8 months ago 3
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@ThevanGoghBlues - [The bible is the] "longest, most painfully boring yet shockingly filthy read" - you said it, man. And not just the OT - the NT is nasty. Did you ever hear the story about Randolph Churchill taking on a bet that he couldn't read the bible in 2 weeks? Hilarious.
libomann 8 months ago
God is love. Love is blind. Stevie Wonders is blind. Stevie Wonders is God
pandapalace11 8 months ago 23
@pandapalace11 At last somebody has finally figured it out : )
adler2adler 8 months ago
@pandapalace11 Win logical fallacy.
TheOriginalBlueKirby 5 months ago
I wish I had Hitchen's brain. :(
xn117 8 months ago
@ThevanGoghBlues I did not generalize about atheists nor attack or put down anyone. so chill
AlexanderRaccoon 8 months ago
@ThevanGoghBlues it is in each of the gospels
AlexanderRaccoon 8 months ago
Duh? It's a spiritual story. Virgin means without sex, a spiritual birth. Jesus of Nazareth was born vaginally. Jesus the Christ is born of a virgin birth, a spiritual birth of a human being, not a human doing. It's simple. Human doings are mammals. Human beings are energies born again of a spiritual virgin nature. The Jesus Christ myth is the Osiris myth. These myths are spiritual stories, not historical facts, with a spiritual or virgin meaning not a sexual meaning. It's that simple.
jackgoldman1 9 months ago
If a god make a woman pregnant, wouldnt that be considered rape?
Elementboy6522 9 months ago 61
@Elementboy6522 Actually, as Mary was 12 or 13 at the time, it would be child rape.
fdasherv 7 months ago
@fdasherv god is totally a depraved psycho :S I see priests do follow his word
Alice89chan 7 months ago
@fdasherv If mary was around 13, she was of child bearing age for the times. She must have been really really ugly to still be a virgin.
JesusWasAnAsshole 7 months ago
@JesusWasAnAsshole Not just for the times, the onset of puberty has remained constant. The only true followers of scripture would have to be the mormons: get em young, get em often, very biblical.
fdasherv 7 months ago
@Elementboy6522 --rape is a physical and sexual act of force over a female by a sicko guy; the Virgin Birth was spiritual, without sex or force, and the Virgin Mary was obediant at the Annunciation: "Let it be done according to your word".
TheGhostFromPlanetX 7 months ago
@TheGhostFromPlanetX First we have to know if the story did happen... or if Mary actually just made Jesus while moaning god and thus she kept on with the story.
If you know what I mean
Alice89chan 7 months ago
@TheGhostFromPlanetX Oops, careful there. Luke 1:26-38 also declared Joseph, not Mary, of the line of David. So, if you want Mary to have acquiesced to god's advances, you must accept that Jesus was not of the line of David, thwarting prophecy.
fdasherv 7 months ago
@fdasherv --Jews could not marry outside of their tribe, so Mary was of the line of David.
TheGhostFromPlanetX 7 months ago
@TheGhostFromPlanetX Not according to the annunciation passage of Luke. Also, the Hebrews not only intermarried among the tribes, they married non-Israelites.
fdasherv 7 months ago
@fdasherv --the Annunciation narrative only mentions Joseph / House of David and Jesus / Throne of David.
TheGhostFromPlanetX 7 months ago
@fdasherv --They may have married non-jews, but the Old Test forbids marrying non-jews.
TheGhostFromPlanetX 7 months ago
@TheGhostFromPlanetX Surely you must understand the Israelites by now. Nothing forbidden is inopportune. Only one other gospel describes Mary as of the house of David. Luke clearly rejects it.
fdasherv 7 months ago
@Elementboy6522 Incest, actually.
ChurchOfKali66619 7 months ago
@Elementboy6522 Really nice comment, man!!! :-) Conceived by the holy ghost = Raped by the holy ghost!!! LOL..
Freelifewonder 7 months ago
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@Elementboy6522
"If a god make a woman pregnant, wouldnt that be considered rape?"
...Dude, you should have seen how short her skirt was; she was practically begging for it.
I mean...c'mon...who are you gonna believe, some shady slut or the guy who was nice enough to create the universe for us??
jimbrown257 6 months ago
@Elementboy6522 I've always wondered the same thing. Especially since a god that WANTS her to have a child doesn't give her any chance to say no. Can you imagine?
God: You will have a child, and he will be my son!
Woman: Uh... no thanks. I'm kind of seeing this guy, and we have a good thing going. Sooo....
God: Uh.. hmm.... ok.... WOW, that was weird. Alright, bye... I guess...
BrellK 6 months ago
@Elementboy6522 So anyone who makes a woman pregnant is a rapist ?
Xalimander 5 months ago
@Xalimander Sorry, my comment was'nt detailed enough. What i meant was that according to the stories, "God" made a woman pregnant forcefully and without her intercourse :p
Elementboy6522 5 months ago
@Elementboy6522 But he didnt have the sex0r with her. He impregnated her with telepathy.
Xalimander 5 months ago
@Xalimander Where in the bible does it say that? :)
Besides, it does'nt matter... Its just a story :X
Elementboy6522 5 months ago
@Elementboy6522 I certainly dont recall god raping the bitch in the bible.
Xalimander 5 months ago
@Xalimander And that would be considered rape
Elementboy6522 5 months ago
@ThevanGoghBlues That last bit is untrue, because Mary and Jesus are characters in the four gospels, and those gospels do make the claim that Mary was a virgin. Whether or not the gospels quoted those specific characters making that claim is irrelevant, because everything those characters said came from the same writers of the four respective books. You could just as easily say that not once did Harry Potter claim he was the chosen one, or something. Fictional characters are just vehicles.
RookofIvory 9 months ago
@MrTickleparty everything written in the Bible is true. The scriptures can't be broken. not every passage give the subject the full treatment so often yuou have to dig.
suggesttwo 9 months ago
@MrTickleparty Man never changed it ,It is still in the bible slaves was different back then they treated them good only the evil people like the Egyptian used to treat them bad
prittydeb 9 months ago
@MrTickleparty I don't recall such a thing could you show it to me?
prittydeb 9 months ago
Too stupid to understand science? try religion :)... it works all the time
HalcyonAugust2 9 months ago
@ThevanGoghBlues this is not true... Hitchens does not mention it here, although in the next segment i think he was about to... he said there were two things that suggest Jesus was a real historical figure...the first (he did mention this) was what he considered to be monkeying about with the birthplace of Jesus to fulfull prophecy. the one he did not mention is a Roman police-blotter type historical entry talking about having to deal with some riotous hubbub led by Chrestus
revpgesq 9 months ago
god must have a small dick..
raped a woman and she didnt even wake up :)
OmfgItsHenu 10 months ago 3
@OmfgItsHenu Who's God has the biggest dick? That's mankinds greatest quest!
Lennon4ever1 9 months ago
So I guess it's ok that an angel fucked mary so she could give birth to jesus as a 'virgin' and do away with the senseless shame religion created over sex in the first place!! -Good greif!!!!
Lennon4ever1 10 months ago
@Lennon4ever1
No no no
The immaculate conceptions refers to Mary's conception, not Jesus'. Jesus could not be born of a sinner, thus Mary must have been born without sin in order to be a suitable vessel. Or, so goes the claim at least.
tetherson 9 months ago
@tetherson So what? The problem is not just that Jesus was allegedly born or a virgin, or born without sin, or that Mary's conception was immaculate. The problem is the concept of Original Sin.The notion that anyone is "born in sin," or "born a sinner" because of something a mythological couple did 6,000 years ago, requiring a Jesus to born born sinless so that he could die for all our sins, especially the one we had nothing to do with, that were a mere accident of birth, is simply abhorrent.
Kailoa36 9 months ago 2
@Lennon4ever1 Haha, I never thought about it like that
Zimnyification 9 months ago
Isaiah 7:14 says "alma" which means young woman. He is talking about King Ahaz, anyway.
ChildofYeshua777 10 months ago
@multiplemugs The sin in the Garden of eden was disobidience not sex.
suggesttwo 10 months ago