Anarchist Rally 28th March 2009 Speakers Corner London UK (Part4)

[wajray]

yeh, u look like a bunch of squatters!!!

[wajray]

where's dell boy trotter ? lol

[wajray]

bunch of pissheads lol haha

[wajray]

Is it just me - or do most of these guys sound like Frank SPencer of Some Mothers do Hav'em!! lol ;-)

[SecretTheatre]

"We have no social space"... He said... standing on a ladder... in a park.

[auntcharlottestits]

these pricks never do nothing ,,they talk shit and have little silent protests ,,and offer peace and love ,,yeah that will scare the fuck out of the government

[MrIKILLFASCISTS]

the guy looks fucking nuts.

[Jaoric]

@MrIKILLFASCISTS so

[jystyle]

nice A little Sun Tsu art of war at the end there. amazing!!!

[Crazydog7]

So how did those street battles in the summer work out for you guys?

[wigdomeitsallthesame]

I believe in an anarchism where community and common sense still exists, law (natural and of the land) is still respected, and criminals can still be tried.

How could you let the engineers of the human crisis and global debt come out rich and unscaved.

The line for people to stand up is beyond millions of lives, so don't draw the line short on justice and allow chaos to proceed.

It is my wish that anarchy evolve into an honest anti-chaotic movement. The system we have now is chaotic enough.

[Gabb0123]

Who builds the roads? Well it surely isn't the capitalists and the bureaucrats, they don't even pay for it.

The proletariat builds the roads, and the proletariat pays for the roads through taxes.

Once we work together and organise, we can get rid of them.

[TheWiretap]

bout time the proletariat woke the fuck up! and it's OUR JOB to make it happen!!!

ANARCHISM forever comrades

[TheJames1233]

@Gabb0123 YEAH MAKE A FUCKING CHANGE!!!!!

[BreathrenUnited]

A commonly accept rule is that after government is over thrown then the people unite to form a new form of government. You all are saying the The same thing we are saying over here in the states and probley world wide. We the common folk that is. I look aroung I see millions of people who have done everything right. They go to work, save money invest and sacrifice to do so. What did they get in return? a giant shaft up the ass. We tried their way it didnt work now its time for another way.

[OldTommyFlynns]

What do anarchists want, after they've taken over from the government? Impose their own government? I m confused

[Zassasa]

they want to remove the government. anarchist dont want any government. we want to overhtrow it and dont ever create a new government.

[OldTommyFlynns]

But who builds the roads ect? Surely it is human nature to have some form of governence - wheather you call it "government" or not would it not exist in all forms of society?

[Zassasa]

well organisation will ecist ofcourse. anarchism just mean the lack of a leader not of organistation. that question is especially easy to answer from an anarcho-syndikalist point of view becuase then it is the unions that will organise that sort of things.

[OldTommyFlynns]

And dont unions elect a leader? Or a group of High members? I just see it becoming a government again, in the long run.

[Zassasa]

well no in a anarchosyndicalist union ther is no leader, but it's treu that they have a sort of council. but sitting in that council is unpaid and voulontary. and usually you sit ther for very short periods.

[OldTommyFlynns]

So anarchists want to change the government rather than remove it? Would that be a more accurate approach to the description of archists? As, by definition, governments do not have to have leaders but rather "defined as the body within an organization that has authority and function to make and the power to enforce laws, regulations, or rules". Anarchism just seems to replace this government with another.

[Zassasa]

no not raely because a government is something that has control over peoples lifes and it sets up laws and rules. in an anarchist society their is no laws or any rules as the are today. their will be more like social guidelines so to speak. if someone is an idiot the people will do someting about it. anarchism does not mean lack of organisation just the lack of authority. so nobody is forced to follow what is decided by an organistation. noone can decide about someone else.

[OldTommyFlynns]

What are social guidelines and whats the difference between them and laws - you mentioned that if someone is an idiot the people will do something about it - so like a vigilante?

[Zassasa]

well about social guidlines, i'll use drugs as an exampel. if ther is a law against a drug. you go in to jail or get fined if you use it. if ther would be "social guidelines" it might be totaly unaccepted by the sociaity and if you used drugs it would just be a social suicide. and the difference between social guidelies and laws is that the society dont have power over the laws but we can change the social guidelines. anarchism is about being able to conotroll you destiny.

[OldTommyFlynns]

Oh btw - thanks for replying to all of my questions :) And enlightening me on the anarchist movement!

[Zassasa]

although i must say that these are just my belifes, they are not 100% accuarate to what traditional anarchism is or other popular forms of anarchism, it is just my way of anarchism.

[Gabb0123]

We are against the state see, asin "the government" the ruling class body that makes all our decisions for us.

What we want is to destroy state and capitalist authority, and have 100% of decision making power in the hands of 100% of the population.

So decisions are made by everyone, not by "representatives" who just put forward their ideas, and not in parliaments, but in assemblies. Direct democracy.

Economics wise, i think most of us would say "everything for all", ie communism.

[CupOfBovril]

Hardly bloody revolutionary thought, if this what the anarchist movement is all about ... I just lost interest. Four videos I have watched now, not one bit of actual direction other than 'things are bad ... I'll say it again and louder'. How about some real solutions. Damn, if this is anarchism, its laughable.

[jackriter]

Well, it's a rally, do you want to be energized or be read theory?

Kropotkin.

[CupOfBovril]

Well, in my opinion the theory should be 'energizing' i.e if the policies/theory do not inspire dont resort to mindless and pointless ranting about opposing policy, re-evaluate. If you dont, people will fail to be interested in what you have to say. I am a case in point.

I am open minded to different thought; I would love for someone to inspire me with some foreward thinking. I am not nocking the enthusiasm more the lack of direction and of anything remotely interesting.

[jackriter]

Well, it's a rally FOR anarchists, not to make more anarchists. For anarchists, or those who undertand enough about the movement it is inspiring. Honestly you can find some free Kropotkin or Bakunin online if you want to read about what is to be done and how we want society organized.

[CupOfBovril]

I fail to see how anyone can find that inspiring? What exactly do you find inspiring about it? Dont take this the wrong way, I am not nocking the movement just simply this execution.

I didnt realise this was for the pleasure of anarchists, I thought it was a public protest. Surely you could rent out a bingo hall to stand and shout meaningless diatribe.  When you do it in public you are making your cause look ridiculous resulting in the alienation of potential revolutionaries!

[jackriter]

The public protest was today, this was the 28th, a warm up. I fail to see how it is "rediculous", but if you're talking about this guy, he did run out of things to say and it didn't look like anyone else was coming up to speak, so he started to ramble. Any potential comrades would most likely (as I'm from across the pond) stick around to try and learn a little, and talk to the attendees about Anarchism.

[AnarchistSte]

Chesterfield ANARCHISTS UNITE!!!!!

[klimatekrump]

Big Up The Brew Crew!!!