Maria Yudina plays Schubert Sonata in B flat major, D.960

[darkblueangel1956]

Lettura tenebrosa che riflette il periodo in cui si trovava la Russia, un messaggio rivolto al mondo intero, contro la guerra e conro l'oscurantismo. Maria Yudina si risolleva con una sua personale luminosa speranza, durante l'incedere successivo della Sonata, dopo un inizio dall'incedere misterioso e cupo. Richter la ricorda come una Artista geniale, imprevedibile, mutevole e piena di estro, ma anche con tante manie e stranezze caratteriali, che affascinavano il suo folto pubblico.

[newFranzFerencLiszt]

I thought Richter's one was the slowest, but she fights for this record very well :D

[jbsebastian]

that's an artist!!! impressive

[rickshawdude92]

This piece sounds very inspired by Beethoven's 32nd sonata. It even seems to carry some of the same emotions as Beethoven's. Apparently, he wrote this soon after Beethoven's death. I know that Schubert was very inspired by Beethoven, but I see this more as a tribute.

[vkoracx]

truly original performing talent

[truecrypt]

@organman52

Such a pleasure to see such an unanimity!

Truly "great minds think alike"!

[vkoracx]

@organman52

it is an original interpretation and its lack of conventional obviously insults you and some other people here

but it is also MUSICAL and interesting

I think her conceptions are too advanced for your narrow framed taste,it is as simple as that

[vkoracx]

@organman52

I will enjoy my musicality and music

and you enjoy your mediocrity and narrow mindedness :)

[zerbespasek]

@organman52

yeah right

you are the normal one here

[LukeK79]

This rendition makes perfect sense to me, although I could never play it like this.

[themindandmusic]

Love how she isn't so totally dependent on the score to aid her in her conceptionand expression of the work - and how she knows what she is doing, she doen't distort pieces like Lang Lang. Two sides of same coin: mindless score-reading and mindless score-altering. Both mindless. This however is a performance with the use of a mind. Richter too has a wonderful rendition of this.

[prokorichter]

Now I know where Richter got his slow tempos!

But both of these pianists...excellent!

[revorrah]

Wasn't she a friend of Shostakovich while he was in the Leningrad conservatory (?)

[annabelvandasselaer]

@revorrah They knew eachother but to call them friends.......I don't know.......but there sure was respect......

[Thunderstar91]

I love this piece, it sounds so emotional

[quagapp]

Great playing of great music!

[berlinzerberus]

another magic hat of your intolerable sects-mentality.

you both make a perfect but strange team.

congratulations!

[caijpp]

Thank you! I deal with intolerable people and situations while he deals with open-minded learners. When he stops and I come in, you can safely assume that there is something wrong with that person's very own mentality.

[caijpp]

Dear friend, I just realized that you accidentally removed me from every corner of your channel, even the innocent subscriber's box. This won't do. You see, I have a bad habit of wanting to initiate my own moves, so I subscribed and invited you as friend again. But don't worry, immediately after you accept it, I will change everything back to the way it is now. I will even remove this and pretend nothing has ever happened. Deal? :)

[caijpp]

Now I see a pattern...

YouTube, let's not argue over those stupid, overly-convoluted concepts. Just close your mind and listen to the music. Let it stream past your ears without obstruction and you'll realize how simple everything is. That way, you will end up loving every interpretation.

Now thumb ups please?

[ClassicalMusicReview]

To whom it concerns...If you're addressing Kajo on anything you are dealing with someone so profoundly unself-aware that you can behold nothing but subjectively fundamentalist behaviors articulated under a thick veneer of Objective,Reasoned and very cultured denial in the vein of a locquatiously tolerant erudition.One may not effectively converse with someone who has never conversed with themself.

[caijpp]

Dear Smith,

Obviously there are people so interested in this conversation but are too coward to show themselves that they have to attack doubly or under-handedly...

I do not like this at all...

[berlinzerberus]

wenn es ja nicht so erbärmlich kleinkariert wäre,dann könnte man sich ja,wie du sagst,wirklich mit solchen menschen an einen tisch setzen und ein bier trinken.jedoch würde das wahrscheinlich noch dazu benutzt,einen unter fortgeschrittenem alkoholpegel davon zu überzeugen,dass das treffen zu antiromantisch,zu sachlich und wenig authentisch war,wie man das bier in sich hinein gießt.

fundamentalisten sind eine schreckliche heimsuchung für die menschen.

gruß nach leipzig

kajo

[berlinzerberus]

...daran teinehmen lässt,findet er wohl auch noch originell.

solche leute sind gefährlich,weil sie es auf dem klavier zu nichts gebracht haben,durch jede konservatoriumsprüfung gefallen sind,die man sich denken kann,und meinen, sie müssten dann auch noch die ganze welt wegen ihres defzites tyrannisch überzeugen.mit einem wort,solche typen sind nie anerkannt worden,haben selber keine musikalische tradition,durch das land in das sie hineigeboren sind und hauen aber unentwegt auf die pauke.

[berlinzerberus]

..öffentlich desavouriert und beleidigt,dabei schreckt dieser vollidiot nicht davor zurück,nachhaltig und unangenehm vorzugehen,als ob man gegen die fundamentalistischen regeln der sekte verstoßen hätte.

er redet andauernd von der antiromantischen,mechanischen interpretationsweise in der 2.hälfte des 20.jhdt´s und macht diesen satz zum maß aller dinge.

er unterhält in seinem channel eine klavierwettbewerb,der ja gena diese spezies interpreten hervorbringt.dass er sofronitzki und norton.

[berlinzerberus]

wie recht du hast,christoph,aber wenn man so schamlos überfallen wird von solch einem sektenhäuptling wie dieser hässliche amerikaner,der glaubt,mit seinem immer wieder gleichen arte-deko-konservatoriums-anti­romantizismus gequatsche die musikalische welt erklären zu können,dann hört der spaß aber wirklich auf.das schlimme ist ja,das dieser frustrierte maniac nicht bereit ist,über seine schreckliche krankheit zu diskutieren,man wird auch noch,weil man eine andere meinung vertritt....

[Juliya37]

und wie findest du das Spiel von Maria Judina. was kennst du uber sie?

[christophleipzig]

E) Ironically spoken: I partially even enjoy Wagner - although he was a pure narciss, Horowitz - although he was stupid as Siegfried, Richter - although he was supergay, Schubert - although he had a venerous desease, Brahms - although he was so introverted, Furtwängler - although you simply cannot watch him conduct, Yudina - although she was a woman...

They all are artists of great format - I guess, this is just consense.

So: Let's have a beer and enjoy our differences.

[christophleipzig]

I have never read such a bizarr thread.

A) I don't beliefe that berlinzerberus is neither a fundamentalist or is here to offend everybody.

B) I don't belief, that caijpp, truecrytp and ClassicalMusicReview really belief, that they occupied "the true teaching".

[caijpp]

Dear Christophleipzig,

A) Nobody said he is here to offend anyone. You are deceived by his whinning.

B). We never claimed that we occupy the "true" teaching. Berlinzerberus is the one who flagrantly asserted that there is only ONE way to interprete music.

[christophleipzig]

C) If we all had the chance to drink a beer and have a nice time together, I guess, it would be a great evening. Even if we haven't the same opinion. At the end, we love probably Schubert more than our differences seem to be.

D) Ever artist was vulnerable at it's lifetime (Funny example: Wagner). And still is - isn't it great? So that shows, they are pretty much still alive, hm? In contrast: nobody will remember us or this thread, when we are dead. ;)

[berlinzerberus]

as to ravel,the video u ve sent i only can say that this is the most "rule setting"and mostmarvellous interpretation that was made by this concerto from any pianist dead or alive.

abm was a true virtuoso on the piano and a great musician too.

take notice of that.

[caijpp]

There you go. You just proved my point. I hope you do realize that you are contradicting the claim you made previous-'I'm no amb-fundamentalist"- by calling his performance the most "rule setting". I never questioned that you liked or favorited others, but how you "judge" them is based entirely on how closely they sound compared to Michelangeli. You listen for the sake of authentication only.

[berlinzerberus]

i was born in the european tradition and my aesthetical convictions are well founded by the high level in education and cultural lore i always could enjoy in my life.

[berlinzerberus]

...i am exactly no abm-fundamentalist at all.take a quick glance at my favourites and you will see that i use to appreciate a lot of great artistical pianists,and they all have their own beauty.

i see that u will reduce my musical aesthetics at michelangeli,but you will not suceed in doing this.

there is a proverb in german which means that every great artist "ist für sich selbst zu gott".

[berlinzerberus]

obviously u didnt read my channel carefully.michelangeli is a phenomenon particularly from the point of professional piano playing,there is noone who has been ruled from playing the piano loke him.the way he plays is absolutely unique......but...

[tchebinai71]

the two chords on 0.21 and 0.22 touched me very deep.

A bit strange on the tempo, but still great.

i very different from brrrrendel (oops) politically correct version. I love both.

[berlinzerberus]

strange and disgusting recomments.but its always the same:fundamentalism creates intolerance and defamation.i will not join in such a debate because pretty often those fundamentalists are only frustated but in one point they are all similar:

they are h a t e r s and not able to discuss,what a pity!

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,That you regard perfumed ladies of the night and tobacco stained teeth as disgusting is a good indication of how far you will go to sanitize something.Concerning 'hate'There is no hate for people here.Just hate for theintolerance that arises from narrowness.You are the 'fundamentalist here as your sight indicates...you are a 'censor'

[caijpp]

Dear Kajohada,

From the letter you've sent me, which took me a while to translate and understand, your standard of beauty is the strangest I've seen so far on YT. While some judge music with their ears and others with ink marks, you do not judge at all, but compare everything to your beloved Michelangeli. Basically, he is the only justifiable standard in your wide and wild claims.

[caijpp]

You are not a fundamentalist at all...you are a mystic of the most fundamental kind, constantly immolating yourself by offering your soul to Michelangeli.

What a pity!

[berlinzerberus]

i dont really know why you are so upset to me.you gave me a hint of a comment i really had forgotten i wrote such a long time ago.

so i gave u such recomments in justifying my former comment and u dont agree.thats okay,but obviously u feel insulted,i dont why.

lets stop writing now!

we dont come together in style and meaning.

[truecrypt]

Reply from ClassicalMusicReview:

"I give you a 'hard time' because your view is extremely narrow of what classical music can be and you wish to impose that view on others

You're profoundly conceited about the narrowness of your view and you're totally unaware of both of these. As you have spent your life in music your taste is hard-wired.

[truecrypt]

But if I make you self-aware maybe

a window of tolerance can arise in you and save some of your students from feeling that THE WAY to play is as a mechanical plastic Arte Deco Haskil icon."

[billyguns2]

At first I thought, "Oh, this is way too slow" and then the menacing bass line came in, exactly right! This is truly a duet between angels and demons, a profoundly thought out and convincing interpretation by one of the greatest pianists of all time. We are so fortunate to have so much of her work available via YouTube; she deserves to be more widely known and appreciated.

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Billy,I think that thanks to Kutuzov here Maria Yudina has gained in some reasonable measure here...a greater acclaim.

In an era that has almost no interest in classical music,even 200 people more is a huge breakthough. Of course...this performance is remarkably focused and balanced expressively. She doesn't play notes...but the affect.

[kajohada]

...oh no,thats really too slow at the beginning,it doesnt flow and she always changes the tempo,its rather a caricature of this famous piece,what a pity!

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,What your statement means translated into a language that reflects your perceptive cognition is...'The beginning defies my sense of habituated tempo here and her tempo is SO along the lines of a Schubert performance that Franz himself would have given and therefore is a caricature of my anti-romantic 20th century conservatory views of this piece that I have ever held...'

[berlinzerberus]

wenn man das 1. thema dieses satzes der sonate,die ich oft im konzert live gespielt habe,mit einem solch herben brahmschen espressivo so langsam,rhythmisch so verzerrt,quasi als einleitung zum 2. thema bezieht,das dann wiederum viel zu schnell und mechanisch spielt und sich in diesem teil der sonate nun nicht mehr um die dynamik und den musikalischen geschmack kümmert,dann hat man den ersten satz interpretatorisch verfehlt.das ist weder schubert noch schubert mit russischer seele!

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,I appreciate your well meant comments on the Sonata structure and it's performance practices,but you are speaking about YOUR late 20th century ideas of that and not the performance practice of Schubert or of his time.Her ideas simply blew open your narrow perception and of course,you don't like that.

[berlinzerberus]

die epische struktur weicht einer leicht trunkenen,die agogik der schubertschen tonsprache nicht beherrschenden.die figurativen elemente der sonate werden von der russischen pianistin nicht in einen ausdruckszusammenhang gestellt und beseelt,sondern nur mechanisch heruntergehämmert.leider wird das gesamtbild durch den schlechten klvierklang,der durch schlechte anschlagstechnik hervorgerufen wird,noch zusätzlich negativ bestimmt.nein maria yudina ist keine schubert-interpretin.

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,Your central tenet of that this is 'Schubert' injected with Russian soul is such a gross generality I simply don't know where to begin.What is a Russian soul and who appointed you to speak for Schubert? Your next tenet that Maria is 'no interpretor of Yudina' can only mean that you are the maestro himself returned...or typing from inside a looney bin.

[berlinzerberus]

...man könnte ja sagen,sie hat eine altmodische auffassung von schubert,wie die pianisten des 19. und frühen 20.jahrhunderts,aber leider ist die darstellung auch pianistisch recht schlecht,mme.yudina über keine wohl modellierende dynamik,einer "inneren"dynamik verfügt und die etwas heiklen stellen,bei denen man vermuten muss,dass sie es nicht vom blatt spielen kann,sondern etwas üben muss,spielt sie nicht gleichmäßig,es klappert und hakelt gelegentlich....wie gesagt!

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,Your point that 'pianistically speaking her representation is bloody awful',

is based on your aesthetic of pretty and continuous sound for the old ladies of the conservatory who like the phrase ' long live mechanical ' typed in lip gloss on their SS leather garter straps.

[berlinzerberus]

das "tempo rubato" beherrscht sie,ähnlich wie im rondo a moll von mozart keineswegs,vielleicht hat sie sowohl hier als auch bei schubert ein oder zwei gläser vodka getrunken.....hehe...nasztrowj­e!

der rhythmus klingt jedenfalls etwas "betrunken".LOL

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,Your perception that her 'rhythm sounds drunken' is funny.However what is sad is to have such a limited idea of what this rhetoric can be and the vastly unquantifiable role that time can play in that.I bet that you teach and ruin the musicality of many fine youngsters in the name of Ein Klavier,Eine Darstellung,und Ein Ansicht des Komponists...

[berlinzerberus]

meine schubert rezeption kommt aus der tradition der wiener klassik und ist wohl fundiert.ich weiß,wie man die unendliche melodie der späten schubert sonaten gestalten muss,weil ich das schubertsche melos gut kenne.

es gibt pianisten,die diese sonate wunderbar spielen:clara haskil,richter,alfred brendel,den ich mit schubert sehr mag.

alle haben maßstäbe gesetzt,maria yudina gehört leider nicht zu ihnen!

[ClassicalMusicReview]

I appreciate that you feel that you're coming from a 'Traditional Viennese legacy'.But that legacy is lost.What we today regard as that legacy is a sham. That legacy was sold out by generations of Viennese artists who chose to sell their soul to the new Objectivist-Literalist Conservatory Agenda of the 20th century. Brendel and Haskil are perfect examples of this,for they play in a way that no musician born before 1870 would have ever considered.

[berlinzerberus]

nein,mein herr,ich weiß wie ich meine studenten individuell fördern kann und sie nicht gleichschalten möchte,aber es gibt einen professionellen grundkonsenz,von dem ich nicht lassen kann und da bin ich danz lehrer der "heutigen zeit" und das ist die professionalität von technik und fantasie und die authentizität der interpretation im zeitalter der visuellen und auditiven medien und deren kontroll und gesetzmachenden einflüsse.ich bin im zeitalter der schallplatte geboren worden!

[ClassicalMusicReview]

1.Dear Kajo,I like that you speak straight-forwardly with politeness,intelligence and

musicality.What I have heard from you is-

As YOU'RE a pianist,As YOU'RE of a modern Viennese tradition that can trace its roots,As YOU'VE recited this,As YOU understand the Sonata form as Schubert intended...

[ClassicalMusicReview]

2.Continued...as you understand what Russian is and isn't,as you understand what pianism is and isn't etc-that you may set the boundaries and be the judge.I bet what you don't know is how sublimely conceited you are.

[ClassicalMusicReview]

3.You are the sheltered well meaning product of a Conservatory life that plays music all day,while ruling out the hearing spirit and intuitive meaning of it in the name of professionalism,respect,and reason.

[berlinzerberus]

...i am not conceited at all but 1. i teach professionals and 2. i am a professional,thats it!!

have u been ever disappointed by those species in your live,i dont hope so!

regards

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,1.Of course I have been diappointed by those around me-and also myself many times.

I wish to respectfully suggest that you are profoundly conceited in your Weltanschauung,but that you are so mannerly and kind in your personality and behavior that you have also hid it from yourself too!

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Zwar ist es Ihr Recht zu denken daß Sie wissen wie Schubert sein sollte.Ich möchte nur mit hochachtung vorschlagen daß Sie gar nicht weißt wie Schubert vorgeführt wird sollte.2

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Schubert reeked of Booze and perfumed whores. He always had tobacco stained teeth and breath.Perhaps a clue to his music.

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Lastly Kajo,There's no 'Konsenz' on playing anything.Otherwise there wouldn't be artists like Lang and Pogo whom you dislike.

[ClassicalMusicReview]

A correction-Ich möchte nur mit hochachtung vorschlagen daß Sie GAR NICHT wissen wie Schubert vorgeführt sollen wird.

[berlinzerberus]

i dont dislike pogorelich you must read more carefully mr.classicalmusic.on the contrary i appreciate him as a real talented artist.

he belongs to the best of younger ones.i like him more than pollini because he is more gifted manually,he is a true pianist.

[ClassicalMusicReview]

Dear Kajo,You're simply using a lawyers tactic here.Whomever you don't like is clear proof that there is no 'consensus' between professionals here on how to play.You are always trying to evade how you are...I'm always prepared for you to redefine any statement that you make,so that you might NEVER see how sublimely assured you are about your narrow Weltanschauung musically.

[caijpp]

Aha! That's the last piece of the Schubert puzzle.

[berlinzerberus]

richter sagte von ihr,sie sei eine live-pianistin gewesen,sie hätte ungeheueren eindruck gemacht und das publikum im konzert beherrscht.das mag vielleicht sein,ich habe sie nie im konzert gehört.weiterhin sagte richter,sie lebte statt mit einem mann mit katzen wie ein clochard zusammen und sie ginge "wie im regen",wenn sie die bühne betratLOL.sie war bestimmt eine eindrucksvolle person.dieser eindruck stellt sich jedoch beim anhören der sonate von schubert nicht ein.

[berlinzerberus]

sviatoslav richter sagte von ihr,sie sei eine live-pianistin gewesen,sie habe ungeheueren eindruck gemacht und das publikum bezwungen.weiterhin sagte richter,dass sie statt mit einem mann mit katzen zusammengelebt hätte,ohne zähne und das podium betreten hätte,"als ginge sie im regen"LOLL

dieser bezingende eindruck stellt sich beim hören der schubertschen b dur sonate leider nicht ein.

[Liszt1886]

Grande interpretazione, veramente personale, non omogeneizzata come quelle che ora ci infliggono Radu Lupu e altri come lui.

[kjw163]

She really has something to SAY about this great work. Too many pianists today are just note players, with little depth/color/nuance. Kissin would be an example of that...to me, waaaay overrated.

[Mortimer123]

kjw163 - you are So right! Would the musicologists agree that this style is perfectly appropriate? No way. But who cares? She truly illuminates the piece, and she moves us. Many thanks to truecrypt for posting this!!!

[organman52]

@kjw163 I personally am not interested in whatever ANYONE has to 'say' about this masterpiece. The only one that should EVER have anything to 'say' about it is the master who created it. You are sick to say that as well as what you say about Kissin. Truly sick.

[kifladan]

@organman52

it would be nice if you weren't interested in saying anything at all,here or anywhere else since it is all kaka coming out of your mouth

[pianistmusic]

Genius .....the one and only interesting performance that I have heard.....she is stunning in every way

[ejasiewicz]

I have to agree witht he negatives about this perf. Yudina is a great musician - her Diabelli are magnificent, for ex. But, she apparently doesn't understand Schubert at all.

[ejasiewicz]

(Though, I don't wish to come off too harshly; Yudina's irrgularities after are the source of her greatness.)

[ThomasJBromley]

Richter said on the documentary "the enigma" that she played this sonata "splendidly" you can take his word for it! Her Schubert playing like everything else she did was was phenomenal.

[weikko79]

Actually, Richter also said that her way of playing it was "topsy-turvy" :-D

[alexha89]

I think this is a very valuable document.

We can hear how interpretations of classical music changed. Some may find that style wrong. Maybe in 80 or 90 years the people will find the style of our time strange and wrong...to mathematical and rational?!

Or does anyone know how schubert would have played this sonata? We have no recordings of schubert himself.

Thx for sharing this recordings with us, truecrypt!!

[sshuck]

Amazing how so many amateur philosopher-pedants are brought into appearance, like earthworms after a storm, by a half-century-old record of a woman who loved Schubert and didn't give a ****.

5 stars.

[tchebinai71]

wow thanks . I quite agree with the fact it's certainly not a "correct interpretation" if we look at the score what i didn't do ; But, iven if i do know that the respect of the score remains the goal in order to find out the composers feelings , i feel more attracted by the little " thing " that the artist will add . i'm looking for a new speech all the time . i won't ever hear schubert play and im not sure that with the more accurate version i will so i don't care for the score. create

[weikko79]

I think this is a beautiful performance. Of course it's totally "shivorot-na-vyvorot", like Richter said, as well. For instance, Yudina starts out in the tempo of "molto moderatissimo", only to change it to a breakneck speed a couple of minutes later. Her fortissimi are kind of unnerving as well. But just listen to her pianissimo right after this clip: that's piano playing of such exquisite, ethereal beauty that it takes my breath away.

[ejasiewicz]

Or simply put, IT'S TOO SLOW. ;) This is a first move't to a classical/romantic sonata form, marked molto moderato - not marche funebre!

[weikko79]

I think she merely treats the first bars as an introduction, much like the Aria in The Goldberg Variations. I think it's an interesting take on the piece, no matter how you feel about it.

[ejasiewicz]

Yes, she's certainly an interesting artist. (But, it's still wrong to treat the opening bars here as an intro.)

[suzettegm]

I keep coming cback for this. Whatever the responses, she certainly leaves nobody indifferent, art shouldn't, of course.

[claire653]

This performance outraged me!!! What the heck is she doing with the score??? Not pleased, total disrespect of composer's intentions. I wonder, what is the year of this recording?

[truecrypt]

Dear Clair, certain musicians don't fit into common standards set by popular music. I've already had a very similar exchange with tituscaesar. Probably it's generational... but I didn't think that ignorance is so contagious. Say hi to Amy Winehouse.

[claire653]

Well, thanks I will! Have you studied the score, have you looked at it, performed this piece or read on Schubert's style of writing for piano? Well, I guess not, and what does popular music have to do with this??? Don't generalize please.

[truecrypt]

Dear Clair;

1. The answer to your multiple questions is YES, I did.

2. Your guess is incorrect.

3. I have nothing against popular music or your favorite Ami Winehouse. Actually it's nice to see a representative of your generation defending the "purity" of Schubert's style. "Faithfulness to the score" (or style) is a relative term. Great artists can "bend" it and still be *authentic*...

[annabelvandasselaer]

@truecrypt I love this performance and I think Schubert would have been pleased with it as well..........

[goodguysdoll]

@annabelvandasselaer Schubert would have committed suicide after hearing this.

[SurvivingBear]

@organman52

She is not psychotic. She is a genius.

[chad410]

i think we are used to a set way which this is symphonically played as opposed to that of a story being told

[suzettegm]

Like pianopera I don't like it. But I'm captured nonetheless. Thanks for sharing, it's certainly worth listening to!

[francorussie]

I am not a fan. But despite her fiery temperament and eccentricity :-) (I do not agree with it...) there is something certainly very moving, almost magnetic in her somewhat strange interpretation.

[suzettegm]

Yes, it's the force of her personality. So wether you like it or not, you're attracted. Some parts are very moving, but not the whole piece imho.

[smithsherman]

Flinging your panties off...against your will...eh?

[suzettegm]

Dear Smith (to stay with your metaphor)I took them off resignedly, folded them neatly on a chair (ect.)and found myself surprised at having some fun after all.

[smithsherman]

ONE MAY NOT FIND THIS PLAYING IN SCORES,NOR CAN IT BE TAUGHT.Either one has the experienc

ed aesthetic reliance intuitively...or not.

[charlottevk]

Her unique style of playing reflects her personallity. I enjoyed it very much again.

Thank,s for sharing Truecrypt!

[pianopera]

Truecrypt: I agree, she really feels it this way, it's not pretentious, bizar or extreme for its own sake.

Smith: you can invent all sorts of theories why I don't like it, be my guest...I'm just an intuitive musician with strong preferences.

Now if you will excuse me, I have to go to truecrypt's new upload...that's more for me!

[smithsherman]

We're "intuitive" today are we? What happened to Sherlock Holmes?

[pianopera]

The best scientific discoveries in history were done by people with strong intuition...Sherlock docet.

[smithsherman]

Good!...I'm glad you're now devoted to your intuition instead of scores.Maybe you'll actually entertain me when I visit.

[pianopera]

The best thing of course is to find a balance between those two...

And don't forget...I already entertained or puzzled you with a couple of posts, just like truecrypt...now it's your turn.

[truecrypt]

Of course, it's an *extremely* individual (and may be disputable) interpretation! But what a great and strong individuality! She doesn't "invent" it for a sake of originality - it's how she sees it. At least I think it's a very interesting, unusual and moving playing.

[smithsherman]

Here we have the Return of a creative ostinato.Instead of the milky-even endlessly rhythmically terse ostinato of the normal pianist,we get variations on infinite possibility.This is my favorite version of this now.But she doesn't really do it through a bold new vision,(The intro is)but rather she accumulates fascination and spiritual affect by attending to more descriptive details per phrase than do others.And little by little that creates a much larger impression

[pianopera]

I see (hear) what you mean. But to me, these constant tempo fluctuations and choise of various tempi (in all 4 movements) and bringing out details are NOT logical. In the end I have what Marcel had with many Richter recordings - many of her decisions make no sense to the music to my ears. Even in her pedalling. Sorry! (and now you it know too, truecrypt...) Smith, please no reply with metronomes or conservatoires here...just my taste.

But it is VERY GOOD that she plays the reprise here!

[smithsherman]

They're not mechanical....You're listening...not hearing

[pianopera]

What do you mean, who are not mechanical? And what's the difference between listening and hearing in your book?

[smithsherman]

You want expectation to be created and fulfilled...I want to to be surprised.That is the difference,for better or worse.

[pianopera]

I don't know...sometimes I am surprised by a very unorthodox interpretation of a well-known piece, and at the same time I am convinced by it...but not with this.

[smithsherman]

My 1st statement was not helpful. I apologize

The 2nd 1 is much closer to reality.I want the sense of heading into mystery,which requires expectations to be created just long enough...to be dashed.

[smithsherman]

You're not so fond of surprise and mystery.

You want expectation to be created and gloriously reliably logically fulfilled.

Each is a fetish.