Anthony Romero message for Human Rights Day

[RURIGHT]

Our Liberties come from GOD not man!

that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

THE ACLU FIGHTS THIS AT EVERY LEVEL of our society!

[PaineLover]

"THE ACLU FIGHTS THIS AT EVERY LEVEL of our society! "

You're woefully ignorant. I know damn well you have never gone to their website and READ , found out for YOURSELF what they do, what they stand for. What they fight against is the religious nutters who ONLY want THEIR god, THEIR religion, and THEIR brand taught, and plastered all over everything and everywhere and on PUBLIC & GOVERMENT property at that!

[PaineLover]

"Our Liberties come from GOD not man!"

The 1st Commandment says: "Thou shalt have no other gods before me"

How does that square with the Constitution which says we the people can believe in ANY god we want to (not just the christian god!) or not to believe in any god at all if we so choose.? WE......THE.......PEOPLE do not have to be forced to believe in or worship the CHRISTIAN god or any god. FREEDOM OF.......and FREEDOM FROM. "NEUTRAL". EQUALITY.

[RURIGHT]

When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

[PaineLover]

"....the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them,..."

You have NO idea what laws of "NATURE" and "NATURE'S " God means. Get an education on Deism. Here is a clue: They were not talking about the christian god!! The founders were mostly deists.

[RURIGHT]

We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.

[RURIGHT]

There is no purpose for discussing truths with someone who is duncish and a prevaricator of truth! I waste my time and yours.

Your name implies that you are someone whom I have no desire to discuss anything with. Im not a Christian but I know what is right and wrong, and Universities and colleges are not real Colleges or Universities anymore because most are not open to the Freedom of Ideas!

[PaineLover]

"Your name implies that you are someone whom I have no desire to discuss anything with."

Fool. You have any idea how stupid you are? I happen to love reading Thomas Paine. You obviously do not know who that is, and not interested, eh? You SHOULD know who he is. He is one of the main characters in the formation of our Constitution. He is the one who coined the phrase: The United States of America

[RURIGHT]

At 59 and a graduate with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Intelligence Studies at Fort Huachuca and an Aviation Vietnam vet 68/71 and educated in Catholic schools K-12. And graduate of JMIC now called NDIC; I am more than qualified to state that I read the works of John Payne 35 years ago! I have a service connected injury which gives me time to discuss logic with illogical people from the political left! Please refrain from calling people a fool, because often the one saying it is the fool!

[PaineLover]

"At 59 and a graduate with a Bachelor of Arts Degree in Intelligence Studies at Fort Huachuca and an Aviation Vietnam vet 68/71 and educated in Catholic schools K-12. "

I don't give a damn what your Ed degrees are, or your experience. You're IGNORANT when it comes to American History, and the Founding , the formation of our countries Constitution. And you're ignorant as hell about the ACLU.

[PaineLover]

Thank you, Mr Romero. I am a very proud member of the ACLU.

[RURIGHT]

He quotes the Bible yet the Teachings of Jesus Christ which is to lover everyone but not every action they do. Love the Sinner but hate the Sin! The ACLU has done everything possible to keep Christian values from even being spoken. If everyone accepted Christ the world would not have war and the cruelty. Just because someone calls themselves Christian doesnt make them so. Its like saying if you stood in a garage all day would make you a car! Jesus says "We would know them by their fruit!"

[PaineLover]

"The ACLU has done everything possible to keep Christian values from even being spoken. "

WRONG! You can practice your faith in homes, churches and private religious schools. You just can't infringe upon ALL people; push YOUR religion on those who aren't christians . NO religious beliefs should be held up as THE big cahuna. Sep of church and state....ever heard of that?

[RURIGHT]

No! But your Religion is forced on everyone The Church of Atheism" And by the way can you tell me where in the Constitution Amendments, Preambles etc where it says this so called "Separation of Church and State"?

It doesn't! It say that the Government SHALL MAKE NO LAWS FOR THE ESTABLISHMENT OF A RELIGION and this bucko is the big one. OR THE FREE EXERCISE THEREOF" It says the government cant force religion..Not that we can't have it! It's you Commies on the left who are filled with hate!

[PaineLover]

"your Religion is forced on everyone The Church of Atheism"

How so? You see billboards proclaiming There is no god? A church on every street corner? When is the last time an atheist knocked on your door inviting you to come to a free thought church? Any atheists killing abortion doctors you know of? Cite examples or STFU

[RURIGHT]

Painlover ...My goodness religion has been under attack from the left and ACLU for the last 75 years and especially the last 40! They use a comment from a letter of Thomas Jefferson about separation of church and state. There is no such comment in the constitution! People came to America to rid themselves of a Government that imposed religion and who FORBID religion! "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or PROHIBITING the free exercise thereof;

[PaineLover]

'People came to America to rid themselves of a Government that imposed religion..."

YES! that is why the framers created a NEUTRAL, a secular Constitution.

And YOU are dead wrong when you said: " and who FORBID religion!" because you're only partially right. You see, the people were only allowed to practice ONE religion (CHRISTIAN) and it HAD TO BE THEIR WAY.

[PaineLover]

"It says the government cant force religion'

That's right . The goverment can't endorse/force ANY particular religion over another.  THAT is the essense of seperation of church and state! NO BODY gets to be the number one religion! The framers wrote the Constitution as a secular document .

[RURIGHT]

The framers wrote the Constitution as a secular document . NO THEY DIDN'T!!

The establishment of the US was under the Judeo Christian Philosophy!

[PaineLover]

"establishment of the US was under the Judeo Christian Philosophy! "

THEN how come there is NO mention of the CHRISTIAN god in our Constitution, or ANY of our Laws? The Bible is the exact opposite of our Constitution; the very ANTITHISIS of the barbaric bible!

[PaineLover]

I think you should probably learn what the word "communism" means before you go around accusing people of being 'commies'. This may come as a complete surprise to you, but not all people who are non-christian, or are atheist are 'commies". That kind of McCarthyish thinking started back there in the 50's which is why we have "under God" in the pledge and on our currency.

[PaineLover]

Tell me, WHERE in the Bible can one find the concepts of democracy, trial by a jury of one's peers, religious freedom and inalienable rights "? The Bible prescribes death for working on the Sabbath, cursing one's parents, and for adultery. How does that square with The Constitution ?

[PaineLover]

"If everyone accepted Christ the world would not have war and the cruelty."

STUPID and false. You know nothing about the frigging HISTORY of christianity. Prisons are full of people who identy themselves as christians. And you lie when you use that "Not a true christian" fallacy.

[RURIGHT]

You can't make laws to stop people from saying what they want,,,Thats Fascism! You have to educate not indoctrinate which the ACLU does. You want to screw another man in the ass? Then do it! But don't tell me and my children that this is natural and ok. Keep your bedroom antics to yourself. And as a Nam Vet 68/69 I can say without pregidous that homosexuality in the Military would be destructive to the cohesion that is needed in military affairs.

I wont shower with a gay.Tell me why I should?

[PaineLover]

"But don't tell me and my children that this is natural and ok."

You should know that for many years (and still today in the deep south) many believed that interracial marriages were not "normal". Just because YOU are an ignorant bigot; just because your religion tells you something and YOU believe it, that does not mean we ALL have to abide by YOUR beliefs. And goddamn it , it is the religious that indoctrinate! Not the ACLU

[RURIGHT]

PaineLover....Lets see youre a Twisted little kid under 25 who has been no where seen nothing and knows it all! I'm 59 seen what Secularism has done to this country! Before the1970s Church doors where never locked, No school shootings, kids were polite and worked hard and where educated. Today ignorance is the norm which is your generation. No matter what you say punk! Ive been there and I came from an education system that taught kids. Your gen is pathetic and filled with girly boys like you

[PaineLover]

"youre a Twisted little kid under 25 "

READ MY PROFILE! I'm a 63 yr old female. I've traveled extensively, almost every state, lived in 7 different states, and to several foreign countries. I'm not a punk, or girly boy. Yeah, what was that you said about 'pathetic" or educated?

[RURIGHT]

If there were ever an institution that has done more damage to personal freedoms it would be the ACLU! This organization is at war with Christianity and conservative values. Speak your peace on any College or University and see what happens? If you don't walk the Marxist Political Correctness line you can be eliminated from that institution. If you say Jesus is Lord youre in trouble, but say Jesus FKN Christ and nothing happens! The ACLU is a freedom destroying organization!

[PaineLover]

"The ACLU is a freedom destroying organization! "

You're an idiot. That is completely false. The ACLU has gone to bat for many christians. Many cases which you know nothing about.

[PaineLover]

From the ACLU website:

"People For the American Way is dedicated to making the promise of America real for every American: Equality. Freedom of speech. Freedom of religion. The right to seek justice in a court of law. The right to cast a vote that counts. The American Way." (Cont..)

[PaineLover]

"Our vision is a vibrantly diverse democratic society in which everyone is treated equally under the law, given the freedom and opportunity to pursue their dreams, and encouraged to participate in our nations civic and political life. Our America respects diversity, nurtures creativity and combats hatred and bigotry." (Cont...)

[PaineLover]

"We believe a society that reflects these constitutional principles and progressive values is worth fighting for, and we take seriously our responsibility to cultivate new generations of leaders and activists who will sustain these values for the life of this nation."

[PaineLover]

" If you say Jesus is Lord youre in trouble,"

LIE. There are a ton of videos on YT showing whacky preachers on college campus's. They're just not allowed to preach in a closed classroom, or have a teacher preaching. You are badly in need of an education. Ignorance is not a virtue

[PaineLover]

"The ACLU is a freedom destroying organization! '

I'm still waiting for you to give SPECIFIC examples of how they are "destroying" ANY freedoms. Please. Have you ever bothered to check out their website?

[tnichlsn]

thank you ACLU for all you do.