Is America a Christian Nation? (1/9) - USC Debate, 10/29/09 - Opening Statement (Moore)

[justjulie37]

Oh what a joyful day it would be if only people could leave their imaginary friends in childhood. I don't know what history he is reading , but from the readings of the founding fathers I 've seen, i don't think they wanted religion to rule this country.

[anthonyehooker]

@justjulie37 They did not want a certain religion to rule. But they wanted things founded and run by God's word. Just read REAL history not REVISIONIST history. The revisionist started changing history around 1903 because it did not fit in with their plan for America.

[Strefanasha]

christianity gave rise to civil liberties? why was the reformation a bloodbath. why, when some asked for tolerance in the 16th century they were angrily shouted down by both catholics and protestants.

civil liberites came when the people were so tired of fifghting over doctrine that they decided the questions of doctrine were irrelevant.

burning heretics stopped in the 18th not the 16th century, the rightrs of man were secular not christian

does this mane not know the 9th commandment

[anthonyehooker]

@Strefanasha We have a Republic because John Leland and James Madison met and came up with our rights to worship God as we saw fit. Baptist had the form of republic we now have in America. Thank the Baptist church for your rights to believe or NOT believe. You have the freedom to do as you wish.

[anthonyehooker]

@Strefanasha because the catholic church is not true christianity. They were tyrants who wanted everyone to believe as they do, or else.

[Strefanasha]

this filth is blasphemy. so belief in the trinity proves anything? does fruit of the spirit count? if it does look at the genocide, lok at slavery, look at history

this obscenity is merely an adjunct to american arrogance and the blasphemy of american exceptionalism,

[Strefanasha]

as usual this is american idolatry, they think they are the last great hope of christianity in the world (as did the Russians in the 16th century). in order to justify this absurdity they have to think there is such a thing as a christian nation.

the eaerly settlers came to advance the christian faith? by genocide. what hypocrisy to invoke this while murdering natives and to invoke it now

6:50: this is rhetoric to justify plunder and murder.

[Strefanasha]

christian is as does not as one professes. the US was founded on genocide. the framers of the constitution were mostly deists. this vid is egregrious revisionism especially when we see that .

if it is christians who want to argue that the US was christian and the unbelievers to the contrary this is ignorance of history.

THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS A CHRISTIAN NATION, and never was, for the nations are of the world and christs kingdom is NOT of this world.

[jfsfrnd]

1- Thos Jefferson to Maj John Cartwright, June 5, 1824

I was glad to find in your book a formal contradiction, at length, of the judiciary usurpation of legislative powers; for such the judges have usurped in their repeated decisions, that Christianity is a part of the common law. The proof of the contrary, which you have adduced, is incontrovertible; to wit,

[jfsfrnd]

2- that the common law existed while the Anglo-Saxons were yet Pagans, at a time when they had never yet heard the name of Christ pronounced, or knew that such a character had ever existed.

[jfsfrnd]

Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law.

-Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, February 10, 1814

[jfsfrnd]

What does that mean - ''America is a Christian Nation''?

[jfsfrnd]

@followerofthelord1 That is a fake quote. Tell us where he said it. It's easy to just go and grap quotes off the internet that you agree with.

[sailornaruto39]

@1:19: BULLSHIT!!!

what about shellfish,mixed crops and fabric, divorce and adultery?

What he is calling a christian nation sounds more like a christian founded by Christians

Firstly what are they calling a christian nation anyways?

[jfsfrnd]

From: Letter from Thomas Jefferson to Albert Gallatin, June 16, 1817

And you remember to have heard, that, when the act for religious freedom was before the Virginia Assembly, a motion to insert the name of Jesus Christ before the phrase, 'the author of our holy religion,' which stood in the bill, was rejected, although that was the creed of a great majority of them.

[thorthistle03]

@deficithawker Hey everybody, I have a video response that’s related to the material. less than 5mins Titled: “Christian Nation Question" I would appreciate your comments at the video. It is for a class project.

I can’t link here, but if you search “Christian Nation Question” it should be the fourth item found.

[Strega222]

"...as the government of the United States is in now way founded upon the Christian religion." -Article 11 of the Treaty of Tripoli. This treaty was ratified unanimously in the Senate of the United States. If it is not true, then the framers that voted in favor of it and supported it bore false witness.

[gneisenau321]

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[farrockaway11692]

@imaginefree69

And by common ancestor I mean with plants, fruit and rocks being our common ancestor, which by the way is ridiculous.

[HBSchool]

@farrockaway11692

I noticed you had omitted imaginefree69's mention of Numbers 31:17-18.

So, what about that part where Moses orders his men to slay women and children, with the exception of virgins, who are to be raped?

I'm looking forward to your answer..

[farrockaway11692]

@imaginefree69

Also the fact that you spoke about "practiced ritualized cannibalism" immediately tells me you (hopefully) feel that way due to your belief that we all have a common ancestor. But if you feel that way at something you read I advise you to get new Bible, the Bible never speaks of (nor condone) cannibalism, all the ritualistic sacrifices were animals an NEVER MAN.

[HBSchool]

@farrockaway11692

Do you study your own book?

"I will make them eat the flesh of their sons and daughters, and they will eat one another's flesh,"

Jeremiah 19:9

"With their own hands compassionate women have cooked their own children, "

Lamentations 4:10

",you will eat the fruit of the womb, the flesh of the sons and daughters the Lord your God has given you."

Deuteronomy 28:53-57

[farrockaway11692]

@imaginefree69

spoken of the disasters that befall us today. So I encourage you to do actual research before making such outrageous and despicable claims.

P.S. Sorry about repeating I'm doing this from my phone making it difficult to send properly.

[farrockaway11692]

@imaginefree69 20 billion years ago big bang, 4.5 billion a big circular rock formed that got rained on for millions of years, a Pool formed, life stepped out, and reproduced itself. Now you have no way of proving that happened but you and many others believe this to be fact.

[farrockaway11692]

@imaginefree69 20 billion years ago big bang, 4.5 billion a big circular rock formed that got rained on for millions of years, a Pool formed, life stepped out, and reproduced itself. Now you have no way of proving that happened but you and many others believe this to be fact. I don't see you insulting the fact that you believe you came from a rock. On the other hand their are prophecies in the Bible that came true, speaks of people that really existed, warns man about the future, and have spo

[farrockaway11692]

@imaginefree69

Sir you say that people who do not believe in what you so foolishly call "Bronze-Age Book of Myth" should not listen because It speaks of "Unicorns, talking Snakes and Donkeys". My response to this is although the Bible (Word of God) speaks of things you or I have never seen before that in no way makes it a "Book of Myth". As a matter of fact if these are why you believe it is a book of myth then you shouldn't believe the textbooks in schools which teach Evolution that claim, 2

[Imaginefree69]

Anybody who is not a member of your religion

has no reason to take any notice whatsoever

of what is written in a Bronze-Age book of myth.

Aside from the unicorns and talking snakes and donkeys

and the requirement to practice ritualized cannibalism

we see that your god commanded his people

to rip little girls from the bloody arms of their dead mothers

and take them home to share them with YHVH's priests.

This is the book you are basing your morality on?

How obscene.

[TheHonBun]

A fine job.  Thank you Ray for all you do!

[EVCarolina]

Well done Ray.