It's actually 90/10 during normal driving in D on the 4EAT. If you manually put the car in 1 or 2, and that will make as close to 50/50 as you can get without modification. You can modify the transfer duty solenoid to send even more power to the rear via a switch, and then it becomes true 50/50. I plan on performing the mod and revisiting this test later on when I have time to see if the outcome changes.
@Mopedwille There is no switch an no lockers on your car. Its hydraulic center and open front and rear diff. Center set to 80 front and 20 rear all the time. On a 5 speed manual, it has central LSD, which can send 80/20, 50/50 and 20/80 depending on the situation, from front to rear. So manual transmission cars are very capable, whereas Automatics aren't as good. Your car may or may not have a LSD on the rear axle. Depending on country. Starting in 2000 they added LSD on Outbacks.
@filmftw3 In the rear axle i have an LSD but i think it didnt work very well -.-
with the switch
i read that you can have an 50/50 awd if you install an switch with an resistance. Your car "think" the front axle are spinning and activate the rear axle cause you install the restistance
Yes Subaru LSD (Viscous) wears out after about 30k-50k miles and after that period, it operates as an open diff. As far as a switch, that Auto transmission will always work as 80/20; Doesn't matter how much the front wheels are slipping. Here in USA, it would be cheaper to just get newer transmission. A 4 speed Auto sells for under $500 and a 5 speed Auto sells for about $1200 ; A LSD diff is about $300 ; Reason being that newer cars are set with 60/40 power split
Awesome example video. My Outback has VDC so Im lucky to have the luxury of the system locking up the spinning wheels for me. Nice A/T's btw :D I guess your fozzy has the same E4AT as my Outback with the same AWD VTD system?
its weird coz my mitsubishi outlander has no locking diffa but when you have a twisted something that puts two wheels that has the least resist6ance they spin and the car doesnt move but when i have it on the gas for like 6 seconds i move forward and i hear the other wheels with the most resitance spinning so maybe it has a lock??
Its probably the dynamical braking, which is what Outback use. They call it VDT or something like that, where they can apply brakes to individual wheels as needed.
@filmftw3 yes the rear has an auto locker and the front has the lsd and it workds very well i used it a few weeks ago passing stuck ford escapes that couldnt get over a part while i made it over with a bit of throttle
@bluefox4848 Yeah, after watching this, I immediately looked for footage of a Subaru driving off-road with VTD+VDC and the diagonal spin wasn't so bad of an issue anymore.
Maybe in the far future, I might get a newer Subaru Outback with VDC and a manual transmission. I know the VTD is better for off-roading (and ESPECIALLY crawling!), but I love the control of 3 pedals.
But if I wanted to go crawling, I would get an older dual-range manual gearbox Subaru or a newer Subaru with VTD and VDC.
@AWDfreak i may have just bought a Torsion LSD for 500 bucks. imported out of japan. either to go in my L series or possibly a forester if i decide to buy it
What a PITA. The centre LSD is only 4kg, if it were 12 then that wouldnt be an issue :( But at 600bucks for a used 12kg centre lsd. With my rear locker project I might also try and look at a lockable centre lsd too.
Yeup. The 4EAT though has clutch packs and not an actual "diff", so I'm going to have to try the "4EAT Lock Mod" to see if it makes a noticeable improvement or not.
Awesome video!!! So, the vLSD is useless? I can't remember if your Forester has an LSD. And your Forester is a 4EAT right? That's the better of the AWD systems Subaru has, for off-road use anyways.
Hi! I would like to buy a Forester, but i think the height to the ground is short. So, someone tell me what kind os springs are using?
RACLUCAS 4 weeks ago
This must be an automatic, because manual transmission has a 50/50 power split. Automatic is 80/20.
filmftw3 3 months ago
@filmftw3
It's actually 90/10 during normal driving in D on the 4EAT. If you manually put the car in 1 or 2, and that will make as close to 50/50 as you can get without modification. You can modify the transfer duty solenoid to send even more power to the rear via a switch, and then it becomes true 50/50. I plan on performing the mod and revisiting this test later on when I have time to see if the outcome changes.
bluefox4848 3 months ago
@bluefox4848
When the FL tire spins, what would happen if you would put a piece of wood or a rock between the tire and the bumper? Would it stop the wheel?
filmftw3 3 months ago
@filmftw3 HI
I have an 97 Outback with the 4EAt Transmission
How does it work with the switch to have an real 50/50 awd???
Greets from Germany
Wille
Mopedwille 1 month ago
@Mopedwille There is no switch an no lockers on your car. Its hydraulic center and open front and rear diff. Center set to 80 front and 20 rear all the time. On a 5 speed manual, it has central LSD, which can send 80/20, 50/50 and 20/80 depending on the situation, from front to rear. So manual transmission cars are very capable, whereas Automatics aren't as good. Your car may or may not have a LSD on the rear axle. Depending on country. Starting in 2000 they added LSD on Outbacks.
filmftw3 1 month ago
@filmftw3 In the rear axle i have an LSD but i think it didnt work very well -.-
with the switch
i read that you can have an 50/50 awd if you install an switch with an resistance. Your car "think" the front axle are spinning and activate the rear axle cause you install the restistance
hope you understand what i mean XD
GReets
Mopedwille 1 month ago
@Mopedwille
Yes Subaru LSD (Viscous) wears out after about 30k-50k miles and after that period, it operates as an open diff. As far as a switch, that Auto transmission will always work as 80/20; Doesn't matter how much the front wheels are slipping. Here in USA, it would be cheaper to just get newer transmission. A 4 speed Auto sells for under $500 and a 5 speed Auto sells for about $1200 ; A LSD diff is about $300 ; Reason being that newer cars are set with 60/40 power split
filmftw3 1 month ago
@filmftw3 ah okay
is ist possible to install an manual tranmission into an automatic car??
cause i have an 5 speed manual transmission from an other outback and i plan to install it
Greets
Mopedwille 1 month ago
Awesome example video. My Outback has VDC so Im lucky to have the luxury of the system locking up the spinning wheels for me. Nice A/T's btw :D I guess your fozzy has the same E4AT as my Outback with the same AWD VTD system?
Matty231 7 months ago
@Matty231
Mine does have the 4EAT, but it doesn't have VTD. Just a VLSD rear diff (which works on the street, not off road), and an open front diff.
bluefox4848 7 months ago
@bluefox4848 Oh yeap sweet. SO you've got the Active AWD I'm guessing... but yours is a turbo?? I thought they had the VTD AWD.
Matty231 7 months ago
@Matty231 I have the normal Subaru AWD, but VTD/VDC didn't come on the Forester's until 2007 and on.
bluefox4848 7 months ago
its weird coz my mitsubishi outlander has no locking diffa but when you have a twisted something that puts two wheels that has the least resist6ance they spin and the car doesnt move but when i have it on the gas for like 6 seconds i move forward and i hear the other wheels with the most resitance spinning so maybe it has a lock??
gadgetguy4000 8 months ago
@gadgetguy4000
Its probably the dynamical braking, which is what Outback use. They call it VDT or something like that, where they can apply brakes to individual wheels as needed.
filmftw3 3 months ago
@filmftw3 yes the rear has an auto locker and the front has the lsd and it workds very well i used it a few weeks ago passing stuck ford escapes that couldnt get over a part while i made it over with a bit of throttle
gadgetguy4000 3 months ago
Greetings.
How you realized blocking of one of back wheels? You have two pedals on a bench hammer?
odyssey069 8 months ago
@bluefox4848 Yeah, after watching this, I immediately looked for footage of a Subaru driving off-road with VTD+VDC and the diagonal spin wasn't so bad of an issue anymore.
Maybe in the far future, I might get a newer Subaru Outback with VDC and a manual transmission. I know the VTD is better for off-roading (and ESPECIALLY crawling!), but I love the control of 3 pedals.
But if I wanted to go crawling, I would get an older dual-range manual gearbox Subaru or a newer Subaru with VTD and VDC.
AWDfreak 9 months ago
@bluefox4848 DO IIIIIT! Get the Cusco LSD! You KNOW you're going to love it. But damn, $1200 for an LSD is steep!
AWDfreak 9 months ago
@AWDfreak i may have just bought a Torsion LSD for 500 bucks. imported out of japan. either to go in my L series or possibly a forester if i decide to buy it
TheDirtydavo 7 months ago
What a PITA. The centre LSD is only 4kg, if it were 12 then that wouldnt be an issue :( But at 600bucks for a used 12kg centre lsd. With my rear locker project I might also try and look at a lockable centre lsd too.
taza11659 9 months ago
@taza11659
Yeup. The 4EAT though has clutch packs and not an actual "diff", so I'm going to have to try the "4EAT Lock Mod" to see if it makes a noticeable improvement or not.
bluefox4848 9 months ago
@bluefox4848 Have you done this yet Josh?
taza11659 4 months ago
Awesome video!!! So, the vLSD is useless? I can't remember if your Forester has an LSD. And your Forester is a 4EAT right? That's the better of the AWD systems Subaru has, for off-road use anyways.
AWDfreak 9 months ago