@TheSheepJEEP uhm what? have u never herd of mazdaspeed? rx-7 are somewhat collectible and alredy wicked fast with the 1994-7 yrs having the turbo any mazda speed with something done rips
@TheSheepJEEP and read my comment.. so did i..... what i am saying is something as rare and holds its value as well as an rx-7 shouldnt be tamperd with im sorry but it will eventually ruin the car.. u kno light that shines twice as bright burns out twice as fast.. but the mazdaspeeds are great cars to modify and increase performance
@MrShamrockking yea tell that to all the people who build them. the possibilities are endless with honda vehicles. mazda is much more restricted. you must own one so your opinion is to biased
@TheSheepJEEP in a way it is biased but at the same time there are only 1700 spd proteges anda ll of them are made to be modified that was moazdas purpose but an rx 7s value diminishes the instant u tamper with its perfection
ok.. wtf.. ive seen plenty of vids.. where some guys mod the crap outta these Mazdaspeed's and are not even fast.. but some other ones have like an exhaust and regular bolt-ons and those thngs are freaking quick.! i wanna buy one thats why im like O_O wtf.?!?!?!
this infact is not a v8 at all lmfaooo deff a v6 the v6 came with 3.8L V6 190hp motor the V8 (wich was the gt) came either a 4.6L V8 260hp motor or a 4.6L V8 with 320hp im pretty sure a 170hp mazda is not beating a v8 maybe a v6 DEFF not a v8 sorry ill call the stang bs if thats the case im pretty sure my 2000 maxima with 255hp stock could beat both of you lmfaoooooo
@ThatAltimaKid1117 Uh, it says right at the beginning that the protege is running 11 psi (stock is 6.5), a 3-inch exhaust and a unichip. That's all good for 250 hp, provided the AFR isn't too lean and blows the motor. Considering that the car is about 400 lbs lighter and has a 4.10 gear, I could easily see it beating a New Edge GT; the 320hp 3-valve 4.6 didn't come out till 05.
Also, unless you paid for an engine swap, your 2000 Maximahas 222 hp, not 255. And it weighs the same as the Mustang.
with bolt ons and stand alone these cars rape gt's and sho's. i have a full bolt on with out and i take sho's by 2 cars. now that i have standalone......and a tune. lawyer'd.
LOL what the fuck did you have that big ass fucking pro comp gage.... your car is barely pushing 300. No need to try and be cool with it... And next time mod your stang so its at least beastly. Not some pathetic excuse of a 8cyl.
@seansskyline This Mustang won't put down 300 at the wheels. I personally know people who have had full bolt-on, heads/cam Mustang GT's, and they barely put down 300. This Mustang, probably putting down more like 250, and that's even being generous.
I had a buddy that had a 04 GT Mustang with full exhaust and a chip that tried to smack talk me that a 4 cyl couldnt hang with a V8. After a Monday afternoon run down the road he quickly changed his mind. People dont give respect where it's due.
dude... i own a msp and race srt4s all the time. i stay dead even with them with only a two hundred dollar aftermarket intake. but dont take my word for it, look at the related video to the right
I used to eat MSPs when i was NA but had trouble keeping up with Mustang GTs,,,, hmm i dont get it! Check one of the videos under my screen name, you will see it.
you dumb fuck first off ford doesnt own mazda they only owned 33% and with how bad there sales are ford now only owns 18% now. So no.... ford doesnt own mazda.
Those rednecks think they have such fast cars just because they have a shitty v8 under the hood. Then some smart young man comes around with a sport Japanese 4 cylinder car, and the v8 gets destroyed!!!
Umm k?? When did I ever make fun of inline fours? Id rather have a manly sounding engine instead of an engine that sounds like a fart machine with a crooked exhaust muffler. I prefer american muscle just like you prefer imports.
lol. actually hondas are the fart machine weed whackers. mazdas dont sound bad at all if you do them right. and its sad when i have half the cylinders as you and beat you all the while having doulbe the gas mileage. lol.
Maybe just mustangs... If I raced it in my z28 it would have been a lot closer. I was never a fan of the mustang when it came to speed. I mainly like the way they sound.
Raul shoulda taken that inline four, v8's all the way. I personally woulda invested my money into a z28 :) No disrespect to your stang at all. Still gotta love the v8 :D
considering ive seen taurus SHOs (tanks with 250hp) with over 200,000 on them rape modified protoge turbos i can't say I give this video any credence.
Lol...Nah man, it's not that fast of a car...I don't claim that it is at all...It has a stock protege engine that makes a little over 100whp without the turbo...I just bent a rod driving at 14psi...My mods total about 500 dollars and I am pleased with the car considering it's running from a Protege platform, but I don't pretend that it is speed demon like the SHO owners with their fat-ass slow-ass Tauruses...
Well I guess it's just in how you combine speed and luxury and your interpretation of both words. I defend the SHO because of this, but it isn't my favorite car...If I could have any car, I'd get a Buick GNX. But for the money, and for the above average ability the SHO has, it is worh buying. Can we finally call a truce?!?!?
Lol...THis argument has been a monument to time-wasting...I'm not trying to rag on the SHO or say they are rip-offs...It just bothers me when people glorify stock and lightly modified SHOs calling them sleepers when really they are not fast compared to performance cars...As for the SHO itself, I have nothing against it...I just don't like the exageration...
Good...I'm glad that's settled. I'm done wasting my life arguing about this subject...you either like an SHO or you don't. But you know, that Geo Metro with a misfiring cylinder you talked about could give a Lambo a run for its money....
I don't think my car is the god of speed...Not even close...That is where I differ from the SHO owners who think their slow pieces of shit are performance cars...The Stang is a mid to high 13 second car without nitrous which allows it to run low 12s...The Mustang hardly has worthless mods...It has most available bolt-ons and a built bottom end with 30lb injectors (though that means little without the nitrous)...
There are plenty of stupid kid owners of EVERY category of car who think they own the fastest thing on 4 wheels, SHO owners, Camaro dudes, Mustang dweebs. Not sure why you are always PMS'ing about the SHO though, it makes you look silly and butthurt.
As far as the Stang in your video, it is not mid 13 second car, that is for sure.
The Stang is without question a mid to high 13 second car...Not even a question about that...And while I will agree that many individuals exagerate the speed of their cars, it is safe to say that your analogy is without merit...The owner of a camaro ss can slap on bolt-ons and have a quick car, a SHO owner can slap on bolt ons and run like dick...There is a huge difference between the SHO and legitimate performance platforms..Not to mention the difference stock to stock, not even laughably close
You are truly a crackhead if you think that auto GT is a mid13sec car. Timeslip please. And who cares about stock? A stock SHO is high 14 sec car, nobody thinks that is fast.
Exactly my point...A stock SHO (if it is one of the "quicker" models) is a high 14 second car which is not fast at all...A stock Camaro SS is much faster...Add a bolt-ons to each, or another actual performance car, and the difference is even more pronounced....
Who the heck is comparing a stock SHO to a Camaro SS john? I sure am not. A GN is quite a slow car in stock form, as is a Supra. Yet when modified correctly, they can be awesome machines. Do you cry fowl every time you see a single turbo Supra making big numbers? The Yamaha engine is just as amazing as the 2jz-gte. So some moron in a stock TT Supra thinks he is uber-fast, and that makes the car crap? Come on man, get real.
Are you FUCKING kidding me?...How dare you compare the Shit output and quality of the SHO engine to the 2jz...Again, you're missing the point, which is not surprising...Your recent assertion is flat-out apalling and reveals your shear ignorance regarding the topic...Supras and Camaro SSs are not speed demons stock, but they are quick (around a full second faster than the stock SHO)...Bolt on for bolt on, they are even faster...That's why they are performance cars, easy speed and stock quickness
I promised myself that I would stop wasting my time with this, but let me just add one little thing: The SHO marque is a trademark of Yamaha. Even today some of their jetskis carry the designation. Anyway, the SHO part of the Taurus is not in its performance, it is in the engine's output. If the execs. at Ford thought it was ridiculously fast, they would have called it SHP. The engine is the SHO part of the car and nothing else--FOR ITS TIME. K, I'm done.
This is also why when the new Taurus SHO is to come out in 2010, it may be named the SVT simply because Ford has no rights to the acronym. The only way it could be called the SHO is if the Yamaha 4.4L V8 out of the Volvo S80 was to be used. However, they are leaning more to a twin-turbo Duratec V6 powertrain that would put out roughly 415HP. Maybe then it would run 13's "stock".
John, you know nothing about performance. Please explain why you feel the Yamaha engine is crap. It's great breathing 4 cam heads? It's dual runner two stage intake manifold. It's forged rotating assembly capable of handling 700hp with no modification? It's ability to rev to 8000rpm, again with no modification? The SHO engine will kick a stock 2jzge engine all over the map, and was quicker and more powerful in stock form. So, according to your criteria, a NA Supra is not a performance car.
And the SHO engine that you so vehemently discredit, mine has been making 500 daily driven HP for 55k miles. I recently competed in a standing mile shootout, where I beat multiple C6 Z06's, modded ZR1's, Vortech'd Mustangs, etc. Are those performance cars? Yep. So quit getting all bent out of shape about some punk kids who think their ratty Taurus is the fastest thing on the street, and you might just start to realize that it is actually a very competant performance platform.
Wow, how unheard of...You took a slow car and made it fast with time and money...So the fuck what?...I have a friend making close to 400whp with a built Civic...That hardly means that the Civic is a "very competent performance platform"...It just goes to show that anything can be made fast with time and money...
John, the Yamaha engine in the SHO is a very competent platform. Dog it all you like, as it just highlights your ignorance about the performance capability of engines. You will never see anything but praise about the SHO engine from anyone knowledgable. There is a reason that people put these engines into Cobra's, Pikes Peak record holding buggy's, 50k dollar sand rails, Bonneville streamliners, etc, etc. The Taurus itself? It has lots of limitations, but the engine is a crown jewel.
A crown jewel perhaps if the crown is made of shit..No one knowledgeable praises the SHO engine, and I sincerely hope for your own sake that are attempting some sick, tasteless joke when you assert that a SHO engine out-performs that of a Cobra..I fully acknowledge engine potential, you'll remember my friend with the 400whp engine..Any car has potential with time and money, that doesn't mean that every car is a performance car or worthy of the ridiculous, unwarranted praise you heap upon the SHO
Johnm, you must be all of what, 18? Were you old enough to be around for the introduction of the SHO, you would have been able to read the mountains of praise heaped upon the Yamaha engine by just about every major car magazine. Please find even one single mainstream magazine article that agrees with your assessment on this engine, and I will gladly fall at your feet and praise you as the all knowing car god you proclaim to be.
I know for a fact that the Stang is a mid 13 second car...That you discredit it's performance as an automatic is remarkably ignorant...Especially because we are talking about track times...The Mustang has a Hurst shift system, a chip upgrade which controls shift time, a very aggressive stall converter (which arguably gives it a much greater advantage over a manual transmission at the track) and Nitto 315 drag radials, not to mention the bolt-ons...
I wish I had a video of it, but I've already roasted a GT before in my SHO. It was the body style before yours, so it matched up with my '93 nicely as my SHO was an older car as well. I think its funny that people with Single overhead cam GT's think their shit is so bad ass! you've obviously done some reading, mommy and Daddy would be proud :). Now why dont you do some typing and type in turbonetics SHO and stfu
I got to put my part here, I drive a civic... but damn SHO is a great car... I have to disagree with john. SHO's are crazy, I dont like mustangs or camaro's etc, but I would deffinetly buy again another SHO. a family car that with some weight reduction and tune, can be mean at the track.
filmed during an earthquake?
420Nelbone 4 months ago
Dude 30 lbs injectors on basic bolt on GT? You're DESTROYING your AIR/FUEL ratio....
Roger0416 5 months ago
hey i was just wondering is it even possible to put a supercharger on mazda 1999 protege...***1999*** pretoge, not the mazdaspeed
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soldierslimNRA 6 months ago
That mustang looks clean. Nice.
SamAdamz 7 months ago
why would you ever ever ever do anything to a mazda besides a rx-7
TheSheepJEEP 11 months ago
@TheSheepJEEP uhm what? have u never herd of mazdaspeed? rx-7 are somewhat collectible and alredy wicked fast with the 1994-7 yrs having the turbo any mazda speed with something done rips
MrShamrockking 8 months ago
@MrShamrockking read my comment before saying something back. i said rx7
TheSheepJEEP 8 months ago
@TheSheepJEEP and read my comment.. so did i..... what i am saying is something as rare and holds its value as well as an rx-7 shouldnt be tamperd with im sorry but it will eventually ruin the car.. u kno light that shines twice as bright burns out twice as fast.. but the mazdaspeeds are great cars to modify and increase performance
MrShamrockking 8 months ago
@MrShamrockking there are certain cars that are just gay to dump money into and mazdas are some of them
TheSheepJEEP 8 months ago
@TheSheepJEEP that complete bulshit acura intergras and civis now those are stupid to dump money into
MrShamrockking 8 months ago
@MrShamrockking yea tell that to all the people who build them. the possibilities are endless with honda vehicles. mazda is much more restricted. you must own one so your opinion is to biased
TheSheepJEEP 8 months ago
@TheSheepJEEP in a way it is biased but at the same time there are only 1700 spd proteges anda ll of them are made to be modified that was moazdas purpose but an rx 7s value diminishes the instant u tamper with its perfection
MrShamrockking 8 months ago
ok.. wtf.. ive seen plenty of vids.. where some guys mod the crap outta these Mazdaspeed's and are not even fast.. but some other ones have like an exhaust and regular bolt-ons and those thngs are freaking quick.! i wanna buy one thats why im like O_O wtf.?!?!?!
2011rko 11 months ago
That is a BIG gauge.
wajalama 1 year ago
this infact is not a v8 at all lmfaooo deff a v6 the v6 came with 3.8L V6 190hp motor the V8 (wich was the gt) came either a 4.6L V8 260hp motor or a 4.6L V8 with 320hp im pretty sure a 170hp mazda is not beating a v8 maybe a v6 DEFF not a v8 sorry ill call the stang bs if thats the case im pretty sure my 2000 maxima with 255hp stock could beat both of you lmfaoooooo
ThatAltimaKid1117 1 year ago
@ThatAltimaKid1117 Uh, it says right at the beginning that the protege is running 11 psi (stock is 6.5), a 3-inch exhaust and a unichip. That's all good for 250 hp, provided the AFR isn't too lean and blows the motor. Considering that the car is about 400 lbs lighter and has a 4.10 gear, I could easily see it beating a New Edge GT; the 320hp 3-valve 4.6 didn't come out till 05.
Also, unless you paid for an engine swap, your 2000 Maximahas 222 hp, not 255. And it weighs the same as the Mustang.
CDMVette 11 months ago
@ThatAltimaKid1117 You are beyond retarded
evil00017 9 months ago
@ThatAltimaKid1117 1.its the v8 easily reckocnized
2.that mazda has atleast 210 hp
3.ur 2000 maxima only has 222 idk where ur getting255 stock from is it even stick?
MrShamrockking 8 months ago
with bolt ons and stand alone these cars rape gt's and sho's. i have a full bolt on with out and i take sho's by 2 cars. now that i have standalone......and a tune. lawyer'd.
silentsoul86 1 year ago
I'd run that stang off a cliff,start fresh.lol
johnnydje23 1 year ago
How many HP does the mazda have??
Jenia911 1 year ago
Impressive for the Mazda, but I'd still want the 'Stang if it where a manual. I don't know what I dislike more, FWD or automatics.
gearheadd318 1 year ago
wow slow
wmat10 1 year ago
nice riced out tach on that mustang....i bet its an auto too
remustintoi 1 year ago
LMAO!!!! 0:38 his own camera man asks how he feel after gettin spanked by a 4cyl LOL!!!!
QUIETBOY267 1 year ago
wow nice fucking ricer tac u fucking homo, u are a disgrace to muscle cars everywhere
00prixgtp 1 year ago
LMAO!!! my man asked him how did he feel after gettin beat by a mazda HAHAHA!!!!!
QUIETBOY267 1 year ago
slow Mustang. That MAzda msut be modded alot. I mean only 170-hp stock with a turbo
pfft
MaddDogg81 1 year ago
stang needs heads, cams, and new gears and it will be good
jvepps 2 years ago
LOL what the fuck did you have that big ass fucking pro comp gage.... your car is barely pushing 300. No need to try and be cool with it... And next time mod your stang so its at least beastly. Not some pathetic excuse of a 8cyl.
seansskyline 2 years ago 10
@seansskyline This Mustang won't put down 300 at the wheels. I personally know people who have had full bolt-on, heads/cam Mustang GT's, and they barely put down 300. This Mustang, probably putting down more like 250, and that's even being generous.
SickG6 10 months ago
@SickG6 i know its not pushing 300? and fyi i built 2 gts and had them well over 300 hp. Very possible with the right amount of money of parts.
seansskyline 10 months ago
@seansskyline or you could just not be fucktard.
ShellSnell 3 months ago
I had a buddy that had a 04 GT Mustang with full exhaust and a chip that tried to smack talk me that a 4 cyl couldnt hang with a V8. After a Monday afternoon run down the road he quickly changed his mind. People dont give respect where it's due.
blthlt 2 years ago
The driver of that stang can't drive for shit. I owed a GT with the same mods as this one and it would rape GSR swapped civics. Thats a nice MSP tho.
MrJeep4life 2 years ago
@MrJeep4life Thats exactly what im sayin bro
xXMustangGuyXx 2 years ago
if imports were made in america id be all for america too. but there not
07350zhr 2 years ago
The mustang has a 160 lb passenger... the Mazda doesn't
Reavoltion 2 years ago
MUSTANGS SUCKS! GO MAZDA
coolshariq 2 years ago
mustangs arent for racing but they will still beat sum stock ass tho
FukkinVLMob5terGDK 2 years ago
big ass tach for no reason...automatic fail...and 2Vs fail anyways...
02Steeda 2 years ago
lmao!!!!!!!!!!!!!! american muscle sux all about imports
hazellunatic17 2 years ago
im all for american but you can't be imports
JVpictures 2 years ago
dude... i own a msp and race srt4s all the time. i stay dead even with them with only a two hundred dollar aftermarket intake. but dont take my word for it, look at the related video to the right
vidalj 2 years ago
id smoke that msp with my srt4 stock
cisco17571757 2 years ago
I like when a gt gets spanked....Which happens all the time...........
lendada13 2 years ago 2
Pschh SRTs are for bitches with no taste in cars.
BearAssassin 2 years ago 3
I'd still take the Mustang, who gives a flying fuck if it "loses" on a street race. Those don't count anyway
yung1jizzle1 2 years ago
If the mustang had a bigger tach he would have won . . . ricertach ftl
thegarbageman21 2 years ago 3
Seriously, I'm surprised he didn't win with that massive tach.
dub23x 2 years ago
should of bought a Pontiac GTO...
94gmcsierra 2 years ago
pontiac sucks!
skisail 2 years ago
That Stang got smoked!
prdracing 2 years ago 6
6 psi stock. Garbage car though...had one. Forge OEM WGA puts it at about 7-7.5 psi
GurlzLuvAChaud 2 years ago
seemed to me the mustang shoulda shifted to 2nd
it was like he was pullin in 4th or 3rd. when i know for a fact that u can run atleAst 55 in 2nd
87stocker 2 years ago
spicy is fast
t436 2 years ago
its just looked like the msp got a jump and it never extended the car lengnths
AdemJashari56 2 years ago
lolll yeah man good job , fuck ford !!!
K2Dissordely 3 years ago
HOLY SHIT IM GETTIN MINE TOMM.!!!!!!!! sorry to brag its just an awsome car!
jacobgentry 3 years ago
whats the stock psi on a msp?
transamspd2002 3 years ago
7.5 psi
msp930 3 years ago
wow.....9.0 psi stock
jacobgentry 3 years ago
I take it you don't own a MSP or yours isnt stock. It varies from car to car to be honest but its generally 6-7.5psi
StealthWyvern 2 years ago
"How do you feel about that" haha. Go Mazdaspeed.
C7sCayman 3 years ago
lol mustang shit
lsvtec69biatch 3 years ago
sorry dodge and chevy have the best sounding muscle around. msp's just sound ballsie. and i love it
silentsoul86 3 years ago
yeah but they sound dang sweet. lets keep it a possitive enviornment... btw this race was between brothers...
ampzor 3 years ago
yeah im sure the mustang stays together better tho. mines always having something break . . . .ha
mikeyboy6369 3 years ago
i have an 03 mazdaspeed protege and i burn mustang gt's all the time. slowest muscle cars on the street for sure
mikeyboy6369 3 years ago
Wow, you must be fast!
I used to eat MSPs when i was NA but had trouble keeping up with Mustang GTs,,,, hmm i dont get it! Check one of the videos under my screen name, you will see it.
RigsPGT 3 years ago
driver modd :)
AdemJashari56 2 years ago 2
Ford owns mazda, they bought them. btw
rndydy 3 years ago
you dumb fuck first off ford doesnt own mazda they only owned 33% and with how bad there sales are ford now only owns 18% now. So no.... ford doesnt own mazda.
fatti03msp 3 years ago
Those rednecks think they have such fast cars just because they have a shitty v8 under the hood. Then some smart young man comes around with a sport Japanese 4 cylinder car, and the v8 gets destroyed!!!
Georgenfla 3 years ago
That, and they were in a Ford. lol
ryanthie 3 years ago
Whoa, that import took that domestic, sweet. haha.
Go mazda!
dub23x 3 years ago
Umm k?? When did I ever make fun of inline fours? Id rather have a manly sounding engine instead of an engine that sounds like a fart machine with a crooked exhaust muffler. I prefer american muscle just like you prefer imports.
ampzor 3 years ago
Just now?
lollerskates115 3 years ago
lol. actually hondas are the fart machine weed whackers. mazdas dont sound bad at all if you do them right. and its sad when i have half the cylinders as you and beat you all the while having doulbe the gas mileage. lol.
daythecountrydied21 3 years ago
Maybe just mustangs... If I raced it in my z28 it would have been a lot closer. I was never a fan of the mustang when it came to speed. I mainly like the way they sound.
ampzor 3 years ago
Raul shoulda taken that inline four, v8's all the way. I personally woulda invested my money into a z28 :) No disrespect to your stang at all. Still gotta love the v8 :D
ampzor 4 years ago
considering ive seen taurus SHOs (tanks with 250hp) with over 200,000 on them rape modified protoge turbos i can't say I give this video any credence.
StangGT5 4 years ago
Mazdaspeed implies that this car is an animal, but it is hideously slow. Mid 13's from a modded MSP? Pure Shit.
mooserack99 4 years ago
Lol...Nah man, it's not that fast of a car...I don't claim that it is at all...It has a stock protege engine that makes a little over 100whp without the turbo...I just bent a rod driving at 14psi...My mods total about 500 dollars and I am pleased with the car considering it's running from a Protege platform, but I don't pretend that it is speed demon like the SHO owners with their fat-ass slow-ass Tauruses...
johncarl0707 4 years ago
Well I guess it's just in how you combine speed and luxury and your interpretation of both words. I defend the SHO because of this, but it isn't my favorite car...If I could have any car, I'd get a Buick GNX. But for the money, and for the above average ability the SHO has, it is worh buying. Can we finally call a truce?!?!?
mooserack99 4 years ago
IDK, it's apples and oranges...someone in a Veyron can just show up and rape us all.
mooserack99 4 years ago
Lol...THis argument has been a monument to time-wasting...I'm not trying to rag on the SHO or say they are rip-offs...It just bothers me when people glorify stock and lightly modified SHOs calling them sleepers when really they are not fast compared to performance cars...As for the SHO itself, I have nothing against it...I just don't like the exageration...
johncarl0707 4 years ago
Good...I'm glad that's settled. I'm done wasting my life arguing about this subject...you either like an SHO or you don't. But you know, that Geo Metro with a misfiring cylinder you talked about could give a Lambo a run for its money....
mooserack99 4 years ago
So, you barely held off an slushbox stang with a list of worthless mods? Awesome!! All bow to the protege, god of speed!
turbotoolman 4 years ago
I don't think my car is the god of speed...Not even close...That is where I differ from the SHO owners who think their slow pieces of shit are performance cars...The Stang is a mid to high 13 second car without nitrous which allows it to run low 12s...The Mustang hardly has worthless mods...It has most available bolt-ons and a built bottom end with 30lb injectors (though that means little without the nitrous)...
johncarl0707 4 years ago
There are plenty of stupid kid owners of EVERY category of car who think they own the fastest thing on 4 wheels, SHO owners, Camaro dudes, Mustang dweebs. Not sure why you are always PMS'ing about the SHO though, it makes you look silly and butthurt.
As far as the Stang in your video, it is not mid 13 second car, that is for sure.
turbotoolman 4 years ago
The Stang is without question a mid to high 13 second car...Not even a question about that...And while I will agree that many individuals exagerate the speed of their cars, it is safe to say that your analogy is without merit...The owner of a camaro ss can slap on bolt-ons and have a quick car, a SHO owner can slap on bolt ons and run like dick...There is a huge difference between the SHO and legitimate performance platforms..Not to mention the difference stock to stock, not even laughably close
johncarl0707 4 years ago
You are truly a crackhead if you think that auto GT is a mid13sec car. Timeslip please. And who cares about stock? A stock SHO is high 14 sec car, nobody thinks that is fast.
turbotoolman 4 years ago 2
Exactly my point...A stock SHO (if it is one of the "quicker" models) is a high 14 second car which is not fast at all...A stock Camaro SS is much faster...Add a bolt-ons to each, or another actual performance car, and the difference is even more pronounced....
johncarl0707 4 years ago
Who the heck is comparing a stock SHO to a Camaro SS john? I sure am not. A GN is quite a slow car in stock form, as is a Supra. Yet when modified correctly, they can be awesome machines. Do you cry fowl every time you see a single turbo Supra making big numbers? The Yamaha engine is just as amazing as the 2jz-gte. So some moron in a stock TT Supra thinks he is uber-fast, and that makes the car crap? Come on man, get real.
turbotoolman 4 years ago 2
Are you FUCKING kidding me?...How dare you compare the Shit output and quality of the SHO engine to the 2jz...Again, you're missing the point, which is not surprising...Your recent assertion is flat-out apalling and reveals your shear ignorance regarding the topic...Supras and Camaro SSs are not speed demons stock, but they are quick (around a full second faster than the stock SHO)...Bolt on for bolt on, they are even faster...That's why they are performance cars, easy speed and stock quickness
johncarl0707 4 years ago
I promised myself that I would stop wasting my time with this, but let me just add one little thing: The SHO marque is a trademark of Yamaha. Even today some of their jetskis carry the designation. Anyway, the SHO part of the Taurus is not in its performance, it is in the engine's output. If the execs. at Ford thought it was ridiculously fast, they would have called it SHP. The engine is the SHO part of the car and nothing else--FOR ITS TIME. K, I'm done.
mooserack99 4 years ago
This is also why when the new Taurus SHO is to come out in 2010, it may be named the SVT simply because Ford has no rights to the acronym. The only way it could be called the SHO is if the Yamaha 4.4L V8 out of the Volvo S80 was to be used. However, they are leaning more to a twin-turbo Duratec V6 powertrain that would put out roughly 415HP. Maybe then it would run 13's "stock".
mooserack99 4 years ago
John, you know nothing about performance. Please explain why you feel the Yamaha engine is crap. It's great breathing 4 cam heads? It's dual runner two stage intake manifold. It's forged rotating assembly capable of handling 700hp with no modification? It's ability to rev to 8000rpm, again with no modification? The SHO engine will kick a stock 2jzge engine all over the map, and was quicker and more powerful in stock form. So, according to your criteria, a NA Supra is not a performance car.
turbotoolman 4 years ago 3
And the SHO engine that you so vehemently discredit, mine has been making 500 daily driven HP for 55k miles. I recently competed in a standing mile shootout, where I beat multiple C6 Z06's, modded ZR1's, Vortech'd Mustangs, etc. Are those performance cars? Yep. So quit getting all bent out of shape about some punk kids who think their ratty Taurus is the fastest thing on the street, and you might just start to realize that it is actually a very competant performance platform.
turbotoolman 4 years ago 2
Wow, how unheard of...You took a slow car and made it fast with time and money...So the fuck what?...I have a friend making close to 400whp with a built Civic...That hardly means that the Civic is a "very competent performance platform"...It just goes to show that anything can be made fast with time and money...
johncarl0707 4 years ago
John, the Yamaha engine in the SHO is a very competent platform. Dog it all you like, as it just highlights your ignorance about the performance capability of engines. You will never see anything but praise about the SHO engine from anyone knowledgable. There is a reason that people put these engines into Cobra's, Pikes Peak record holding buggy's, 50k dollar sand rails, Bonneville streamliners, etc, etc. The Taurus itself? It has lots of limitations, but the engine is a crown jewel.
turbotoolman 4 years ago 2
A crown jewel perhaps if the crown is made of shit..No one knowledgeable praises the SHO engine, and I sincerely hope for your own sake that are attempting some sick, tasteless joke when you assert that a SHO engine out-performs that of a Cobra..I fully acknowledge engine potential, you'll remember my friend with the 400whp engine..Any car has potential with time and money, that doesn't mean that every car is a performance car or worthy of the ridiculous, unwarranted praise you heap upon the SHO
johncarl0707 4 years ago
Johnm, you must be all of what, 18? Were you old enough to be around for the introduction of the SHO, you would have been able to read the mountains of praise heaped upon the Yamaha engine by just about every major car magazine. Please find even one single mainstream magazine article that agrees with your assessment on this engine, and I will gladly fall at your feet and praise you as the all knowing car god you proclaim to be.
turbotoolman 4 years ago 11
I know for a fact that the Stang is a mid 13 second car...That you discredit it's performance as an automatic is remarkably ignorant...Especially because we are talking about track times...The Mustang has a Hurst shift system, a chip upgrade which controls shift time, a very aggressive stall converter (which arguably gives it a much greater advantage over a manual transmission at the track) and Nitto 315 drag radials, not to mention the bolt-ons...
johncarl0707 4 years ago
I wish I had a video of it, but I've already roasted a GT before in my SHO. It was the body style before yours, so it matched up with my '93 nicely as my SHO was an older car as well. I think its funny that people with Single overhead cam GT's think their shit is so bad ass! you've obviously done some reading, mommy and Daddy would be proud :). Now why dont you do some typing and type in turbonetics SHO and stfu
simon7118 4 years ago
Alright here comes the hater... lol.
I got to put my part here, I drive a civic... but damn SHO is a great car... I have to disagree with john. SHO's are crazy, I dont like mustangs or camaro's etc, but I would deffinetly buy again another SHO. a family car that with some weight reduction and tune, can be mean at the track.
eileenspoon 3 years ago
Dang man, you car so fast!! Can I have you childs??
turbotoolman 4 years ago
Does the Mustang happen to be auto? I was listening to it shit and that's how it sounded.
smootnaman 4 years ago
Yeah, the Mustang is definately atuo...It has a disadvantage from a rolling start but tears ass from a dig with it's stall converter...
johncarl0707 4 years ago
Nice. You couldn't film them side by side and gone on the 3rd honk?
smootnaman 4 years ago
Actually, that's precisely what we did, unfortunately the filmer began recording just after the third honk...
johncarl0707 4 years ago