Looks pretty effective. Some jujutsu techniques with ne-waza and jiujitsu ground fighting techniques. Somehow, I am not very sure, that you can called this hybrid as a "traditional" style. Traditional budo jujutsu, do not emphasize that much some ground techniques, like the ground armbar... cause they are much more aware of bites, and emphasize more pressure points (many of the techniques were thought against armored warriors). Even though, BJJ has it's roots in Fusen Ryu Jujutsu.
@RicardoKooh No, BJJ doesn't derive from Fusen-ryu. If you see Fusen-ryu training, you'll notice that they don't have a particular emphasis on groundwork than any other ryuha. The fact is that Jigoro Kano was not keen on groundwork but when Kodokan was defeated to Fusen-ryu due to the former's lack of competence in groundwork, he decided to include it in the curriculum. When judo's rivals had vanished in time he found the opportunity to adjust the rules in order to minimise groundwork again.
Ogawa Ryu no es originario de Brasil. En todo caso sera originario de un japones que emigro a BRasil, pero que aprendio el arte en JApon! Todas son tecnicas de Judo Kodokan
Hi Chris. Contact Gary Boaz on his page and tell him his Aikido is useless.
You will be woke up fast. He is no B.S.'er.
But be sure to actually show up when you
want to find out first hand if Aikido works or not. Yapping over a keyboard is nothing. All arts work, it just depends on the user. Peace. I hope this helps you.
Well said Bill. I trained with Gary in Phoenix for several months and travel back to Kansas to let him kick my ass occasionally, he is the real deal. Aikido is as effective as anything else in the hands of someone who believes in it.
thats not strictly true and has been proven time and again.The training method is what makes the fighter apart from innate mental toughness and athleticism.Arts that dont practice full contact in all 3ranges rely only on the latter 2 and are all user no method.
Otherwise you end up with a martial art that is just as unpractical as Aikido. And that I believe is not what this is all about. So please upload some demos of Ogawa showing real endings becasue the initial moves are highly interesting. Thank you!
@ChristofferEricsater Have to agree with you on all your points. When I first studied BJJ I was too out of breath to spar at the end of class for a few weeks. Then, when my breathing got better, I sparred with my brother who knew no martial arts and none of my techniques were working, regardless of how much I drilled them. Never wanted to miss another chance to spar ever since. Rolling makes a HUGE difference. THere are still people in the world that think their black belt teachers/instructors..
@ChristofferEricsater are so devestating yet they never even got into a real fight before. Plus, there's enough youtube videos to show that a lot of the traditional martial arts still get checked whenever they're up against newer martial arts. Thing is that many people forget is that modern martial arts like bjj are IMPROVEMENTS of what was old. While the rest of the martial arts world is using DOS, MMA, BJJ, judo, etc. are using Windows Vista. However, it is clear that any martial art that has
@ChristofferEricsater real life sparring that way students have a chance to actually put the techniques to use on someone fighting back in unexpected ways makes all the difference. I can't speak for aikido, but TMAs like ninjutsu would really benefit from having amateur mma matches in their gyms, or at least randori in order to practice all the locks, throws, pins, etc. You brought up excellent points.
The problme with Ogawa as shown here above and not in general is that the mindset they fight with here is the same as of a Judo match. Yes the initial contact of teh movements are great but the endings are not. Eitehr you have to show how the person ending up on the ground escapes and how you manage to finish him after his escape or you woud have to come up with better solutions of how you submit him or knock him out after you have trown the guy.
You can of course make it fun if you prefer and decide that with your opponent. But sparring can be just as wild as reality. It only depends on what rules the coach set and how he teach you aliveness under training or not.
It does not make sense at all to say so since the techniques were used in warfare from the beginning and used by military people today as well and for sure no matter if here were Japanese samurais in the past or Navy Seals troops of today they all will fight or fought against real opponents both in sparring and in war with people that train the very same things that they do, how to kill or control the other person. A sparring is not something simple and fun.
Sparring is underrated and what you just said proves that.
A lot of the techniques they do here leaves very basic openings for escape for someone who have been doing either BJJ or Submission. You say "but a self defense situation does not consist of two guys (especially martial artists) dueling with each other. to me they are two different things in my opinion."
However the culture of Ogawa Ryu is really nice! So please let us know where we can see how this looks in a fight or full contact sparring. Demostrations with a non-defending opponent is not enough as a demostration of what this style can or cannot accomplish in a real life threatening situation. I saw a clip where they also had a more modern way of self defence but that looked more like Krav Maga than this. Would be ncie to see some traditional style able to prove itself as functional.
it's been round for centuries, that's proof enough. it's stuff like this that gave birth to bjj. many small joint locks found in jujutsu are too dangerous to practice in a sparring scenario. that's why they're illegal even in MMA. but a hip throw is a hip throw.
would be nice to see some actual sparring of this style. The opponent jsut stands there without defending himself or herself. Because of this it is impossible to evaluate the style quality in real life threatening situations.
One need to spar using aliveness, meaning having a fully resisting opponent to see if one's technique works or not. Does anyone know if they have full sparring videos of their style? Or are they just like Aikido people who do not want to do real sparring/randori at all?
sparring is overrated imo. its very useful and very fun, but a self defense situation does not consist of two guys (especially martial artists) duelling with each other. to me they are two different things in my opinion. this is like defenses against an initial attack, which likely will not present itself in a "sparring" situation.
Looks pretty effective. Some jujutsu techniques with ne-waza and jiujitsu ground fighting techniques. Somehow, I am not very sure, that you can called this hybrid as a "traditional" style. Traditional budo jujutsu, do not emphasize that much some ground techniques, like the ground armbar... cause they are much more aware of bites, and emphasize more pressure points (many of the techniques were thought against armored warriors). Even though, BJJ has it's roots in Fusen Ryu Jujutsu.
RicardoKooh 5 months ago
@RicardoKooh No, BJJ doesn't derive from Fusen-ryu. If you see Fusen-ryu training, you'll notice that they don't have a particular emphasis on groundwork than any other ryuha. The fact is that Jigoro Kano was not keen on groundwork but when Kodokan was defeated to Fusen-ryu due to the former's lack of competence in groundwork, he decided to include it in the curriculum. When judo's rivals had vanished in time he found the opportunity to adjust the rules in order to minimise groundwork again.
EunusRex 3 months ago
@EunusRex Thanks. That's good information. But I wonder if there is still a Fusen ryu?
RicardoKooh 3 months ago
Ogawa Ryu no es originario de Brasil. En todo caso sera originario de un japones que emigro a BRasil, pero que aprendio el arte en JApon! Todas son tecnicas de Judo Kodokan
rubengonzalezmicro 10 months ago
Ogawa Ryu no es originario de Brasil. En todo caso sera originario de un japones que emigro a BRasil, pero que aprendio el arte en JApon!
rubengonzalezmicro 10 months ago
The Gracies still have secrets,just like the Judo and JJ schools in Japan have theirs. They wont share them with outsiders
yeee941 1 year ago
Its Ogawa ryu a traditional style of Jujitsu from Brazil.
queenbee125 1 year ago
@queenbee125
It was brought to brazil..
OVERCAPITALIZE 5 months ago
whats style is this and is it avalible in los angeles
aktivenatrraktiv 2 years ago
Look up Dan Zan Ryu
MedicoCosmico 2 years ago
jjj + judo = magic pants
reccers402 2 years ago 9
Gary can be reached at kyushoaikiguy.
He's a good guy. He will help you broaden your horizons. Peace. : )
JUJUTSUBILL 2 years ago
Hi Chris. Contact Gary Boaz on his page and tell him his Aikido is useless.
You will be woke up fast. He is no B.S.'er.
But be sure to actually show up when you
want to find out first hand if Aikido works or not. Yapping over a keyboard is nothing. All arts work, it just depends on the user. Peace. I hope this helps you.
JUJUTSUBILL 2 years ago
Well said Bill. I trained with Gary in Phoenix for several months and travel back to Kansas to let him kick my ass occasionally, he is the real deal. Aikido is as effective as anything else in the hands of someone who believes in it.
prestfeldt 2 years ago
thats not strictly true and has been proven time and again.The training method is what makes the fighter apart from innate mental toughness and athleticism.Arts that dont practice full contact in all 3ranges rely only on the latter 2 and are all user no method.
billysue2 2 years ago
Otherwise you end up with a martial art that is just as unpractical as Aikido. And that I believe is not what this is all about. So please upload some demos of Ogawa showing real endings becasue the initial moves are highly interesting. Thank you!
ChristofferEricsater 3 years ago
@ChristofferEricsater Have to agree with you on all your points. When I first studied BJJ I was too out of breath to spar at the end of class for a few weeks. Then, when my breathing got better, I sparred with my brother who knew no martial arts and none of my techniques were working, regardless of how much I drilled them. Never wanted to miss another chance to spar ever since. Rolling makes a HUGE difference. THere are still people in the world that think their black belt teachers/instructors..
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
@ChristofferEricsater are so devestating yet they never even got into a real fight before. Plus, there's enough youtube videos to show that a lot of the traditional martial arts still get checked whenever they're up against newer martial arts. Thing is that many people forget is that modern martial arts like bjj are IMPROVEMENTS of what was old. While the rest of the martial arts world is using DOS, MMA, BJJ, judo, etc. are using Windows Vista. However, it is clear that any martial art that has
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
@ChristofferEricsater real life sparring that way students have a chance to actually put the techniques to use on someone fighting back in unexpected ways makes all the difference. I can't speak for aikido, but TMAs like ninjutsu would really benefit from having amateur mma matches in their gyms, or at least randori in order to practice all the locks, throws, pins, etc. You brought up excellent points.
iMaKeUsHoOk 1 year ago
The problme with Ogawa as shown here above and not in general is that the mindset they fight with here is the same as of a Judo match. Yes the initial contact of teh movements are great but the endings are not. Eitehr you have to show how the person ending up on the ground escapes and how you manage to finish him after his escape or you woud have to come up with better solutions of how you submit him or knock him out after you have trown the guy.
ChristofferEricsater 3 years ago
You can of course make it fun if you prefer and decide that with your opponent. But sparring can be just as wild as reality. It only depends on what rules the coach set and how he teach you aliveness under training or not.
ChristofferEricsater 3 years ago
It does not make sense at all to say so since the techniques were used in warfare from the beginning and used by military people today as well and for sure no matter if here were Japanese samurais in the past or Navy Seals troops of today they all will fight or fought against real opponents both in sparring and in war with people that train the very same things that they do, how to kill or control the other person. A sparring is not something simple and fun.
ChristofferEricsater 3 years ago
Sparring is underrated and what you just said proves that.
A lot of the techniques they do here leaves very basic openings for escape for someone who have been doing either BJJ or Submission. You say "but a self defense situation does not consist of two guys (especially martial artists) dueling with each other. to me they are two different things in my opinion."
ChristofferEricsater 3 years ago
However the culture of Ogawa Ryu is really nice! So please let us know where we can see how this looks in a fight or full contact sparring. Demostrations with a non-defending opponent is not enough as a demostration of what this style can or cannot accomplish in a real life threatening situation. I saw a clip where they also had a more modern way of self defence but that looked more like Krav Maga than this. Would be ncie to see some traditional style able to prove itself as functional.
ChristofferEricsater 3 years ago
it's been round for centuries, that's proof enough. it's stuff like this that gave birth to bjj. many small joint locks found in jujutsu are too dangerous to practice in a sparring scenario. that's why they're illegal even in MMA. but a hip throw is a hip throw.
kempobrad 3 years ago
would be nice to see some actual sparring of this style. The opponent jsut stands there without defending himself or herself. Because of this it is impossible to evaluate the style quality in real life threatening situations.
One need to spar using aliveness, meaning having a fully resisting opponent to see if one's technique works or not. Does anyone know if they have full sparring videos of their style? Or are they just like Aikido people who do not want to do real sparring/randori at all?
ChristofferEricsater 3 years ago
sparring is overrated imo. its very useful and very fun, but a self defense situation does not consist of two guys (especially martial artists) duelling with each other. to me they are two different things in my opinion. this is like defenses against an initial attack, which likely will not present itself in a "sparring" situation.
kempobrad 3 years ago
It's ogawa ryu
Aikijinja 3 years ago
it's a great video, very fascinating, but i just wish the camera would be a little further back and they would go over the technique
catchmyseed7 3 years ago
Pretty interesting. It doesn't show much in the way of guardwork though.
MEGALEF 3 years ago
very nice one, I like the cleanness of their technique
KingColt1985 4 years ago
really cool vid
thanks for posting it
19505555 4 years ago