Should Obama Continue Covert Operations In Iran? - David Sanger

[MonsterIsrael]

USA Govt. control by Israel. Do you know about AIPAC? They control American election , your daily life, your economy , everything. If they tell USA Govt. to tell lie even though they know it is lie, no problem American Govt. tell it immediately there is WMD in iraq, including Obama, John Machine,Clinton Bush all are member of AIPAC and all will tell the same voice without any difference.

[FXThug]

@MonsterIsrael Really?



[anthony68drake]

In fact, Rwanda and Darfur are perfect examples of success in us NOT policing the world. Here, we have NOT got involved and what do you know...after only a few hundred thousand people dead, raped or tortured, there is peace again. And since we DIDN'T get involved, nobody hates us. It's a win win situation. Don't get involved! Stop being policemen!

[anthony68drake]

We need to stop being involved in foreign matters, like we did in South Africa against Apartheid, like we did in Yugoslavia against the Serbians, like we do in the Middle East, trying to "restrain" Israel. Just let everyone do what they want with their own countries and stay out!

[sakjobawitz]

It's funny when people say why do so many countries dislike us, here's a thought...ask yourself how many US military bases are worldwide(800+). The exact number isn't even that important, now ask yourself how many foreign military bases are in the US(0). When we stop being the world police and no longer try to Globalize what we believe, the rest of the world will start to respect us again.

[nucflashevent]

"Globalize what we believe"?!?!?

You mean that when people live in fear they probably aren't very happy? You mean that when people aren't very happy, they tend to be violent?

Sorry, I didn't realize that was just an "American" idea.

You can live in your bubble if you wish, believing the root of all evil is the United States, but it is nothing but a bubble.

Without the United States in a position of leadership, the world would fly apart at the seams.

[LeviathanXX]

Covert action is unpopular, but what's the alternative? Covert activity has existed as long as great hegemonic powers- it is often the intermediate option between diplomacy and war. Covert action is political risk taking- sometimes it will be successful, sometimes it will backfire. Whether a country engages in covert action history will continue in often unpredictable ways. To abstain from covert action can be equally dangerous and does not grant immunity from history

[infokemp]

Check out seymour Hersh video about the US funding AlQueada linked groups in Iran,

The enemy of my enemy is my friend? No CFR, Binladen stiill wants to kill americans and still want to fly planes into buildings, Crush AlQueada, you can negotiate with Iran you cannot negotiate with Al Queada.

US and EU will crush AlQueada

[AlexMadsen87]

Here is a video that i think is IMPORTANT that you see:

watch?v=styB1pF1FKg

[MrMan428]

The US is not going to stop all covert action in Iran or anywhere else. But something they should consider discontinuing is support for listed terrorist organizations meant to destabilize Iran such as Iraq-based Mujahedin-e Khalq (MEK).

[Nuclearcx]

they should stop all this shit. this kind of things are the reason (apart from the obvious ones) everyone hates america, always sticking your noses into other countries and trying to mess em up. you think the iranians are inclined to have any talks with any western country about discontinuing their program when you keep doing stuff like this?

[nucflashevent]

No one said running the world was going to be clean and neat.

[MrMan428]

Being the most powerful nation in the world does not mean we are in control.

Sure, we've tried to FORCE our way of life on other countries but it always ends up backfiring and causing the opposite reaction. The US gov't has overthrown democratically elected heads of state because they aren't seen as pro-western. Meanwhile we allow dictators to rule elsewhere because they are pro-western. Then we invade a country and say it's because we are spreading democracy.

The world knows we're hypocrites.

[theforeigner85]

Actually, there's no need to force western culture, it's openly embraced by cultures around the world to an extant where countries like Iran, Saudi Arabia choose to ban things for being too "western" such as clothing, film and music.

I can't think of a single liberal democracy that was overthrown by the U.S. and its allies. I can only think of far-left social democracies with close ties to the Soviet Union.

[nucflashevent]

Thank you!

[MrMan428]

By way of life I don't mean our culture or media as much as I mean our economic practices. No country has a right to overthrow a leader that was elected by the people of a sovereign nation, unless of course that nation poses a direct threat. In the case of South America during the Cold War, those nations did not pose a threat to us. We just wanted them to adopt our ideology.

Regardless of whether they're far-left, it's hypocritical to overthrow some democracies and then say we are spreading it.

[theforeigner85]

Well, if you look at far-left democracies, like in Venezuela, you'll notice once they assume power they quickly try to erode democratic institutions.

Hamas was democratically elected, but I doubt many people would label them democrats.

In South America, it appeared there could emerge a communist "southern bloc".  Which i'm sure you'd agree would be a threat to the U.S. militarily and economically.

[MrMan428]

In the case of Venezuela I was critical of Chavez's referendum to remove term limits. I think it opens the door to one party rule dictatorship. When it comes down to it though, it's their prerogative. It was put to a national vote and passed by popular mandate.

In the case of Hamas, first ask yourself what would cause the majority to elect such a hardline party in the first place. Israel has a policy of apartheid in Palestine. Would you react so differently in a similar situation?

[theforeigner85]

"In the case of Hamas, first ask yourself what would cause the majority to elect such a hardline party in the first place. Israel has a policy of apartheid in Palestine. Would you react so differently in a similar situation?"

Yes, I would. I'd like to think i'm above barbarism and religious supremacism.

Apartheid? Arab-Israelis are officials, mayors, even lawmakers in Israeli Parliament, they go to the same universities as Jews, they have more rights in Israel than in most Arab countries.

[MrMan428]

Religion aside, if an official governing body segregated you from your loved ones, prevented travel, limited your freedom, destroyed your house to build illegal cities, and killed your friends or family in airstrikes, you would be angry also. It's a natural human response. You may take a holier-than-thou approach now, but it seems that you don't really know the situation. Where do you get your information?

I will PM you a couple of links.

[theforeigner85]

Oh, I used to be viciously anti-Israel.

You do realize that Hamas also does most of those things you mentioned to its own people, and they're religious fanatics who celebrate civilian murder on top of that.. and by celebrate, I don't mean solemn vigils, I mean firing-shots-in-the-sky, handing-out-flowers- and-candy celebrating.

I don't agree with everything Israel does, but from all i've seen, read and heard, the lesser of two evils in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict can't be more obvious.

[mathomaatuark]

There really is not much of a better way to say this. America has criticism coming in the face of its past deeds yet people who are not responsible for these actions run to Americas defense as if they are insulted or angry. It's like the father who beats your mom. Some people are confused about how they should feel about that guy.