There ought to be a size chart of eve stations,I'd like to know how big these things would actually be without the scaling restrictions to keep our graphics cards from blowing up.
Well gota say that I LOVE missiles and shield tanking'n all those nice touches that caldari ships offer, but I cannot for the love of me fly an ugly-ass lego-made ship... Srsly, they all look either like they're made out of legos or that they were put together by a blind man. Nice play style, but can't stand the looks of them :(
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They need to remake this game. The levelling system is complete crap, the story is boring, and the gameplay is the same thing over and over. Such a beautiful game with such wasted potential.
@5283d This game is the nicest group of people you'll ever meet in an MMO, it doesn't matter what race you choose because the community is so friendly.
Who else has noticed that whenever Minmatar and Amarr are seen in a clip they appear with an orange-red hue and Gallente and Caldari always have a blueish greeny hue.
I get really confused at these engines the game developers use. My laptop can run at max settings for this game with absolutely no lag, but when it comes to be some other games it either can't load or lag as hell.
@Flarehappy09 for a whole 2 months cap ships were allowed in high sec, then they got banned (dang concord!), those mortal empire people get to keep them, but we don't. Jerks.
Was almost about to fall of the chair "Wow had CCP finally made a movie with Caldari in it without putting in that boring and over used drake!!" Last few sec of movie and my excitement was gone...
Well... each race is a little different. It all depends on what you want to do in game. caldari is great for PVE because of the variable change in damage type, but not always so great for PVP because of damage delay. It can work, but you would have to fire "secondary" if you wanted to get in kills in big fleet ops
So when is CCP ever going to release the Eve camera tools to the public so us players can film this kind of thing for ourselves? Because that would be really great.
i hope in future they make these game like realistic almost and in Spanish if they can make in Spanish they will get a lot of damn hit's. I'm telling you it has happened on a lot of games and these would make it a lot fun cause more fight and more action.
they should make it like in the vids where you actually fly in it. Or at least have an autopilot fly to your docking station
Please CCP do this its way better that a black bar popping up and your ship magically pops up in a docking bay under 10 seconds and same with un-docking. Its just so un - realistic.
As much as I'm for realism -- NO to your comment. Realism would be moving to the docking bay, aligning to it, then slowly flying into it. As much waiting we already do in EVE? Yeah, lets add another 5 minutes to docking and undocking upon the 5 minutes of this and 30 minutes of that. A better transition maybe, but a realistic real-time docking sequence would just be suuuuch a time-waster y'know?
@Lagalli Yeah, it would be better if you were towed in quickly, something designed specifically to last the same length of time(maybe a tad longer) as the usual black screen....
@BSGNomad no way, that would make undocking extremely long... especially in 0.0.. e.x. you wont be able to save ur friends if they are attacked outside
@SeXeHRD i agree with him it doesn't have to finish. maybe before you dock, it can fade out if you undock before its time. but before you can switch ships anyway, it takes like what 15 seconds? at least the animation will be something nice to watch during that time and even an animation actually showing the switch maybe.
@BSGNomad yh, that would be alot better and would stick with the lore of eve. but if they did it, it'd have to be an option. i mean, if you needed to get out of the station and fast, you wouldn't want to have to put up with a slow dramatic take off.
i wish they could have other people in the same hanger, for example: the Galente stations have dozens of rings that other ships could land on above and below you what if they showed another persons ship in one of those spots to add to the realism that you aren't alone in the station.
Well, they gave a cameraman a jetpack and he flew around filming the station. Well, the second one did, anyway. The first one was hit by a speeding interceptor.
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Nice video. Only the gamma settings are a EPIC FAIL. Did tr have a cheap LCD? You know, those that always look waay too white. Which is true for just about EVERY LCD out there with factory settings.
Absolutely stunning. The way EVE has evolved since I joined in 2005 is really inspiring. The graphics are a wonder to look at; a true feast for the eyes, and the way that CCP have always managed to maintain their magnificent standards is an example that should be taken to heart by all game developers. I grow more in love with EVE every day <3
if u love the caldari ships as much as i do then u too recieved that 'just finished fuckin' happy, warm afterglow. truely amazing. two of the best gunboats: ferox, rokh an the best t3 cruiser. if only a merlin had been included, theni could die a happy fella.
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Damn ive allways thought the Caldari stations were abit borring.. and lifeless.. but this would really make them more atractive :) not that i need to care any more... cant dock in a caldari station :( caldari hates me...
Hey, what're those little ships flying past at about 28-30 seconds in? I've seen them in promo material before, but i don't recognize them from anything I've seen in-game...
no but the station would disable all weapons...duh...lol =) and you can only move a certain speed limit...and it would have to be on autopilot maybe but there would be multiple docking areas so we can avoid station camps lol
lol...i was being sarcastick because FS9Media plays flight simulator...and the FMC is a Flight Management Computer that you programme your route into and the autopilot will fly it...navigating system...once again i was being sarcastick
:20 is that blinky motherfucker in the back a bantam? looks kinda big
JshWthrs1 2 weeks ago
Seeing all these intergalactic bases makes me feel at peace but also trapped in my time with our limited technology.
1tomback 2 weeks ago
My tengu! (L)
Crisraidan 1 month ago in playlist EVE Online - Visuals
im from iceland and im my country Caldari means colder exept u need a k instead of a C
TheNicho223 3 months ago
@TheNicho223 Well CCP is based in iceland and the Caldari homeworld is very cold and much like Iceland so that makes sense :)
Fredfredbug4 1 month ago
I wish this how the docking proceedure animation actually looked like instead of a loading screen (maybe a loading screen then this)
companymen42 3 months ago
PERFECT MUSIC AND VIZUALISASIONS HAND OF GOD MAKE THIS!!! IWISH LIVE IN THIS UNIVERSE LIKE THIS)
1ozon671games 4 months ago
@1ozon671games Me too
Crisraidan 1 month ago in playlist EVE Online - Visuals
There ought to be a size chart of eve stations,I'd like to know how big these things would actually be without the scaling restrictions to keep our graphics cards from blowing up.
TheWarbirdPhoenix 4 months ago
@TheWarbirdPhoenix There are no scaling restrictions. They're all about 50 clicks along their longest axis.
Andreus 4 months ago
Well gota say that I LOVE missiles and shield tanking'n all those nice touches that caldari ships offer, but I cannot for the love of me fly an ugly-ass lego-made ship... Srsly, they all look either like they're made out of legos or that they were put together by a blind man. Nice play style, but can't stand the looks of them :(
Uthandir 6 months ago in playlist EVE Online
Caldari have the best looking ships. I would give my left nut to have a Rokh right now.
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guys anyway to change my race? :D
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They need to remake this game. The levelling system is complete crap, the story is boring, and the gameplay is the same thing over and over. Such a beautiful game with such wasted potential.
mikerules999 8 months ago
now i want to see that, when watching outside a window of my office quarters. No more ship spinning contests
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Breath taking. I hope they update station interiors to be more interactive and navigable like this :)
00033 8 months ago
Is that a leviathan in the background?
TheFr3shmint 9 months ago
@TheFr3shmint It's a Chimera.
Helge129 9 months ago
what is the name of this track?
Griesmayer 9 months ago
i thought that rokh would ram the ferox
kabobularproductions 9 months ago
This would be a perfect screensaver. It's even a perfect loop!
YuTe3712 9 months ago
What's the name of the ship at 1:02? The big one.
Dagg215 9 months ago
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TheEgonTowst 9 months ago
@Dagg215 Rokh. Caldari battleship
TheEgonTowst 9 months ago
Im gonna start playing soon , so out of caldari, gallente, and amarr which one is noob friendly? (I don't like Minmatar)
5283d 10 months ago
@5283d This game is the nicest group of people you'll ever meet in an MMO, it doesn't matter what race you choose because the community is so friendly.
GeneralArrow 9 months ago
Who else has noticed that whenever Minmatar and Amarr are seen in a clip they appear with an orange-red hue and Gallente and Caldari always have a blueish greeny hue.
thatguyoverthere45 10 months ago
@thatguyoverthere45 gallente = green caldari=blue amarr=yellow/orange minmatar=red.
this pattern applies to ship colors, ship icon backgrounds, and the average color of systems controlled by those factions.
1r0nbunny 10 months ago
What is this?! my client doesnt look anything like that!
clarinetplayerperson 11 months ago
I get really confused at these engines the game developers use. My laptop can run at max settings for this game with absolutely no lag, but when it comes to be some other games it either can't load or lag as hell.
khangsector 11 months ago
I guess they got bored after doing the Gallente one...
Inkpennington 1 year ago
Minmatar station interiors are basically Caldari stations after they forgot to apply WD-40.
Andreus 1 year ago 37
@Andreus That is because WD-40 is the only thing that can destry minmatar ships. They are built entirely of rust.
kurisu925 8 months ago 3
@lordwouter7 A few problems,
1: They're blocky and unrecognizable
2: They're far away
3: They're only in Amarr stations
4: They're fast and hard to see
I hope they improve the station background, too...
starpilot1241 1 year ago
While playing Eve online, please select your difficulty level:
1) Easy
2) Medium
3) Hard
4) CALDARI!!!!!
MrHaseoyashimora 1 year ago
ships look better than they acctually are... lol if eve was like this with ships flying around, I'd stay in station much longer
starpilot1241 1 year ago
@starpilot1241
the undock in jita sorta looks like this :D
Fuzzboy100 1 year ago
@starpilot1241 in an amarr station theres a few blocky ships flying back and forth :P
lordwouter7 1 year ago
FOR THE STATE!
bengacris 1 year ago
what ship is that at 2 18 that just docked not the reaven but the other one?
N1KOD95 1 year ago
@N1KOD95 Tengu
Flip50505050 1 year ago
@Flip50505050 oh yea subsystems
N1KOD95 1 year ago
Ok, so ship building companies build the ships...
Who the hell builds these gargantuan facilities!?
zomfgiasfc 1 year ago
I love how this anti aliased, and in the game you don't get that luxury :(
MrMindVirus 1 year ago
@MrMindVirus yes, with my comp its like this
bengacris 1 year ago
@MrMindVirus AA now in game with latest patch
XuBlax 1 year ago
What ship is at 2:00?
omgwtfhs 1 year ago
@omgwtfhs It's the Caldari T3 ship.
Synergy9k 1 year ago
@Synergy9k Oh, it is a Tengu
I've just never seen that particular configuration of subs.
omgwtfhs 1 year ago
drake , manticore and scorpion FTW ;]
Ichneumonn 1 year ago
Music's so beautiful.
mikejw721 1 year ago 2
@Flarehappy09 for a whole 2 months cap ships were allowed in high sec, then they got banned (dang concord!), those mortal empire people get to keep them, but we don't. Jerks.
gsclanleader 1 year ago
Schön wäre es wenn die Hangars und die gesammte Grafik ingame so gut wären, wie in deren videos und trailern.
E300TTD 1 year ago
@E300TTD: Ist sie, du solltest aber aufhören auf minimaler Grafik und 800x600 zu spielen :)
Helge129 1 year ago
Caldari FTW!
dareapa1 1 year ago
Caldari have the most sickest ships in the game.
james342121 1 year ago
u cant stop the ROKH, cant stop the ROKH!
R4Akai 1 year ago 3
Caldari yust have some awsome ships in outlook the ferox look badass :D
frederiksd 1 year ago
sweet
franticsledder 1 year ago
Must the Raven be such a tiny ass battleship? Few ships can match its majesty, my ass.
nosferatz 1 year ago
This game looks wonderful even when there isn't action happening, lets see WoW do that.
albettatrue 1 year ago
CCP i beg you put this in your games when you are going in and out of the hangers please i beg you
theworldisyettobe 1 year ago
@theworldisyettobe They should make it an option, and only happens when you enter a station you never been inside before..
...because those with crappy computers, I doubt they want EVE to run slower with this, so an option would do best.
ramprire 1 year ago
If only in game hangars could be this lively....*Sigh* One can only dream...
Honorthedeceased 1 year ago
when you undock they need a video on the game of you undocking
w00tbeerisgood 1 year ago
what blasphemy i saw a leviathen titan floating in there
flounder2760 1 year ago
@flounder2760
That wasn't a Leviathan. Pretty sure that was a caldari carrier.
Leviathans are 18044 meters long. They couldn't fit one if they tried.
Nomoreusernames113 1 year ago
Was almost about to fall of the chair "Wow had CCP finally made a movie with Caldari in it without putting in that boring and over used drake!!" Last few sec of movie and my excitement was gone...
Hense90 1 year ago
I can't even imagine how awesome this game will be in the future.
CCP kicks ass
connor2444 1 year ago
Yay, a Ferox, one of my all time favorites.
zerox830 1 year ago
That must be the new model for the ferox, it looks a lot better than the current in game model.
markevens 1 year ago
Long live the start
ErichHartmannJG52 1 year ago
Well... each race is a little different. It all depends on what you want to do in game. caldari is great for PVE because of the variable change in damage type, but not always so great for PVP because of damage delay. It can work, but you would have to fire "secondary" if you wanted to get in kills in big fleet ops
Whiskeydod 1 year ago
yep that settles it when i get EVE online im beng caldari
goddifist 1 year ago
@goddifist everyman and his dog goes caldari go amarr for the lazors of doom(and the bling bling exteriors)
luckysamurai 1 year ago
@goddifist You may regret it ^^
zaco53 1 year ago
So when is CCP ever going to release the Eve camera tools to the public so us players can film this kind of thing for ourselves? Because that would be really great.
Nochtjaeger 1 year ago
i hope in future they make these game like realistic almost and in Spanish if they can make in Spanish they will get a lot of damn hit's. I'm telling you it has happened on a lot of games and these would make it a lot fun cause more fight and more action.
SKYNETDUO 1 year ago
@SKYNETDUO eve supports alot of languages with many language chat channels ingame. english is default, but u can change it ingame.
penitent2401 1 year ago
they should make it like in the vids where you actually fly in it. Or at least have an autopilot fly to your docking station
Please CCP do this its way better that a black bar popping up and your ship magically pops up in a docking bay under 10 seconds and same with un-docking. Its just so un - realistic.
FS9Media 1 year ago
As much as I'm for realism -- NO to your comment. Realism would be moving to the docking bay, aligning to it, then slowly flying into it. As much waiting we already do in EVE? Yeah, lets add another 5 minutes to docking and undocking upon the 5 minutes of this and 30 minutes of that. A better transition maybe, but a realistic real-time docking sequence would just be suuuuch a time-waster y'know?
Lagalli 1 year ago
@Lagalli Yeah, it would be better if you were towed in quickly, something designed specifically to last the same length of time(maybe a tad longer) as the usual black screen....
Wikkiter 1 year ago
Who cares about realism when the game is fun?
Deehaen777 1 year ago
I really wish they would replace the un-docking black screen with something like this of your ship un-docking.
BSGNomad 1 year ago 126
@BSGNomad i agree
prototype516 1 year ago
@BSGNomad no way, that would make undocking extremely long... especially in 0.0.. e.x. you wont be able to save ur friends if they are attacked outside
SeXeHRD 1 year ago
@SeXeHRD i agree with him it doesn't have to finish. maybe before you dock, it can fade out if you undock before its time. but before you can switch ships anyway, it takes like what 15 seconds? at least the animation will be something nice to watch during that time and even an animation actually showing the switch maybe.
7Kiymaira7 1 year ago
@BSGNomad
irrational statement.
it should be a picture of my dog.
sry, could not resist :P
Nothization 1 year ago
@BSGNomad Well if you or anyone else is going to the fan fest, use that vist to put that point to CCP, and see what they say.
Puzzoozoo 1 year ago
@BSGNomad post it as suggestion on forums ?
Ghostkiller5555 1 year ago
@BSGNomad i think they are with incarna, sry if someone already told you this
97ginoVDB 1 year ago
@BSGNomad yh, that would be alot better and would stick with the lore of eve. but if they did it, it'd have to be an option. i mean, if you needed to get out of the station and fast, you wouldn't want to have to put up with a slow dramatic take off.
but for casual play, yes. it. would. be. awesome.
uupdown2 9 months ago
1:30 do i see a titan in the background? or is my EVE Online knowledge of ships messed up because i havent played for months?
purplehayabusa 1 year ago
@purplehayabusa its caldari carrier, Chimera
FatherJustify 1 year ago
I knew my ship knowledge was screwed up
purplehayabusa 1 year ago
@purplehayabusa I can bet my current underpants on that it's a titan
Sicram91 1 year ago
@Sicram91 Naw it is actually a Chimera... I checked the ship charts, and also a titan wouldnt be able to get inside the station
purplehayabusa 1 year ago
@purplehayabusa Aw damn, I guess my underpants gotta go then! No good at Cal ships XD Gallente here <.<
Sicram91 1 year ago
these hanger vids are breath taking
ifartinurdirection1 1 year ago
This is what the Hangers *should* feel like. Let's hope this is something on CCP's todo list! :D
Ruppetthemuppet 2 years ago
Majestically epic! =)
Anoleis 2 years ago
Anyone else noticed that the caldari supercarrier is a rokh with that massive 'wingy bit' stuck to the front?
cdtoadams 2 years ago 2
i wish they could have other people in the same hanger, for example: the Galente stations have dozens of rings that other ships could land on above and below you what if they showed another persons ship in one of those spots to add to the realism that you aren't alone in the station.
IMDRock 2 years ago 3
^this. Would be awsome. It would work for Amarr stations too
vesemashouk 2 years ago
@IMDRock It would look awesome if they did that. Don't think they will, or not for a long time.
dzodzer 1 year ago
@dzodzer :P One day...
bldude2 1 year ago
Only one frigate, no T2 ships? Lol. Eye candy!
dzodzer 2 years ago
un whats the purpose of this vid anyway?
dendugger 2 years ago
its purpose is to show the Ships that the Caldari Race in Eve fly.
Its a eye candy video
WesDesto 2 years ago
Awesome, how did they film this??
Calaghi 2 years ago
Well, they gave a cameraman a jetpack and he flew around filming the station. Well, the second one did, anyway. The first one was hit by a speeding interceptor.
Synergy9k 2 years ago 89
ROFL
Aeden17 2 years ago
@Synergy9k lol, nice
blackhawk2442 2 years ago
@Synergy9k
Those blasted interceptors never notice people around them. XD
kakashimorph 2 years ago
@Synergy9k LOL i like that
thEsPamer106 1 year ago
@Synergy9k lol no it wasent a speeding intercepter he got burnt alive by a battle ships engines
121cortez 1 year ago
I agree with primatepaul...more in game cinematics are needed!
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Surgeification 2 years ago
What is the ship it circles around at 2:30-3:00 ish?
TheSelrahc114 2 years ago
Tengu :) T3 Cruiser
BetrayerSubbs 2 years ago
more eve caldari ftw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
dendugger 2 years ago
eve just looks better and better, but i think a few more in game cinematics would do no harm.
primatepaul 2 years ago 4
Obviously a new f eature of WiS
Being able to fly around ships inside the station, with a Concord Punishment for killing someone due to a collision.
anon483 2 years ago
... This is prob not in Incarna
And killing because of a collision? lol if they do add this im sure it will be autopilot
FS9Media 1 year ago
I WANT AN EVE FILM!
antnee4000 2 years ago 4
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Nice video. Only the gamma settings are a EPIC FAIL. Did tr have a cheap LCD? You know, those that always look waay too white. Which is true for just about EVERY LCD out there with factory settings.
Very unprofessional.
Evi1M4chine 2 years ago
Are you putting that in comments on all hangar vids?
CompactDisc7227 2 years ago 3
Maybe its just your computer? >.>
umd223 2 years ago
If station in game like in this vid it going to be epic!
FreedomFighterEx 2 years ago
this are ingame graphics with aa and maximum settings on 1920x1080
akademiker23 2 years ago
i know about graphics but i mean it would be cool when we docked and saw other ship fly in and out like in this vid >_>
sadly........i can run only Low setting T ^ T
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ppeterppasd 2 years ago
oh .. yeah right =/ im so sry
Naishalune 2 years ago
ITS NOT A LEVIATHAN. Its a Chimera. (Carrier)
JuniorDExchangecore 2 years ago
Titans are almost as big as the stations themselves... Howd they fit one in there with all that extra space?
Shadowhawk555 2 years ago
@hammer326..
hmm yes the background is the same.. of Caldari .. but .. u will be alone
.. u didnt see any other ships like the leviathan or the Ferox
Naishalune 2 years ago
Yes ...it is Oo xD
Naishalune 2 years ago
1:35 is that a fucking leviathan passing in a station?
XwawawaX344 2 years ago
it's a chimera carrier, leviathan is at least 20 bigger :)
gonger03 2 years ago
I believe that's a chimera, the Caldari tier 1 carrier.
jfalc5 2 years ago 2
@jfalc5: There are no "Tier 1" carriers, only Carriers and Supercarriers.
Helge129 2 years ago
AWE INSPIRING! I have not been active in a year or so aside from a few 5-days is this how hangar backgrounds look now??
hammer326 2 years ago
Yes it is how the backgrounds look now, except that we would not see the ships flying around
diablolrm90 2 years ago
Absolutely stunning. The way EVE has evolved since I joined in 2005 is really inspiring. The graphics are a wonder to look at; a true feast for the eyes, and the way that CCP have always managed to maintain their magnificent standards is an example that should be taken to heart by all game developers. I grow more in love with EVE every day <3
This video is just absolute... ecstasy.
Lythie 2 years ago 3
if u love the caldari ships as much as i do then u too recieved that 'just finished fuckin' happy, warm afterglow. truely amazing. two of the best gunboats: ferox, rokh an the best t3 cruiser. if only a merlin had been included, theni could die a happy fella.
RealisticSigma 2 years ago
all hail caldari, all hail ccp!
dendugger 2 years ago
@downunder use VLC player there is an option to use a video ase background image
bodyculture79 2 years ago
glorious caldari master race
also why cant we have thissssss
MaxyZorin 2 years ago
eve is wayyyyyyy better than a flight sim all you do is pretend to fly ships....in eve you actually have to work for it ;) and you do get to fly them!
delta13bravo 2 years ago
You are mistaken
FS9Media 1 year ago
CCP, would you guys be able to produce this in a downloadable version so we could make this video into a moving desktop and/or screensaver?
if it already is can you post a link to it. cheers
DownUnderSnypar 2 years ago
i luvz eve ....
Caboose3012 2 years ago 3
very nice!
stormWillClark 2 years ago
Damn ive allways thought the Caldari stations were abit borring.. and lifeless.. but this would really make them more atractive :) not that i need to care any more... cant dock in a caldari station :( caldari hates me...
Ph33NIXx 2 years ago 2
Watching this makes me feel like cryptic dropped the ball hard with STO lol. Good job CCP, you were the studio that should have created STO.
thyroid99 2 years ago 2
This is a win, GO CCP!
JacqEve 2 years ago
This is epic.. :) well done CCP
eklipsestudiosnz 2 years ago
wooo go chimera!!!
ratchet600 2 years ago
Hey, what're those little ships flying past at about 28-30 seconds in? I've seen them in promo material before, but i don't recognize them from anything I've seen in-game...
SomeOtherGuyOrPerson 2 years ago
That is the Caldari fighters, called Dragonfly.
TheMrSolaris 2 years ago
Docking and undocking SHOULD BE LIKE THIS!
FS9Media 2 years ago
People would just be shooting each other in stations if it was like this.
stanger828 2 years ago 2
no but the station would disable all weapons...duh...lol =) and you can only move a certain speed limit...and it would have to be on autopilot maybe but there would be multiple docking areas so we can avoid station camps lol
FS9Media 2 years ago
hey FS9Media....have you got this game...if so....do the aircraft come with an FMC??
FSHighDefinition 2 years ago
@FSHighDefinition What is a FMC? I play eve.. but i cant answere the question cos i dont know what your asking ;)
Ph33NIXx 2 years ago
lol...i was being sarcastick because FS9Media plays flight simulator...and the FMC is a Flight Management Computer that you programme your route into and the autopilot will fly it...navigating system...once again i was being sarcastick
FSHighDefinition 2 years ago
lmao dude haha this is EVE not a flight simulator bro...xD
FS9Media 2 years ago
that sucks
FSHighDefinition 2 years ago
no it doesnt i actually liked it just as much as flying...and its a very serious game.
FS9Media 2 years ago
Also its online only.
FS9Media 2 years ago