US Congress is depressing. So serious.. everyone is ready to kill each other. We need to have a House and Senate that's more like that of New Zealand's Chamber. Watch a debate.. they're so light-hearted.
What is so disheartening about this attitude is that we have truly 'abandoned' the principles of helping our brother...Romans 14:13 If we are ever truly going to grow to our human potential we must remove the profit motive out of our decision making, or at least be truthful about what the facts are. 65% of those 15% expressed here are the unspoken seniors who, of course, are meaningless to most people when it comes to care. John F. Kennedy must be rolling in his grave.
I'm not giving you reasons to go to work. You probably have your own. Perhaps sharing things like a fire department, the marine corps, the cdc, public universities, roads and health care will make our society into a great civilization that can stand the test of time. Without public investment and helping each other we will not be a more honorable nation. I'm ashamed that we don't have national health care.
I am in favor of it if they institute a national health tax where every citizens is required to report to a national health care center once a year for an evaluation, for every 5 pounds they are overweight they pay an extra 2% to 3% in taxes until the following year, if they have kids that are overweight then parents or guardians must pay an extra 5% in taxes for every 5 pounds the kid(s) are overweight. Also make a mandatory 30% to 50% tax on all healthy foods, fast food, ice cream, candy,etc..
Take your government back from these retards, the people need to remind Government that WE have the power not them. they are not afraid of the people anymore and who would be!
I feel like health insurance is great for tragic accidents and serious health conditions. I purchase my own healthcare plan for my entire family for $39.95/month. It's like a big discount club and I save MORE with this than traditional health insurance. I don't think our system is going to improve for a while.
Have you seen their polls? The New York Times/CBS News poll just last night showed Congress' approval rating falling to 14%, with a record 82% of Americans now disapproving of the way Congress is handling its job. Obama remains @ 46%. It's always with the greatest disgust, that we see the TP's and supporters on these videos attempt to say Americans ARE the TP. We know betterf and these polls clearly support the facts
Life Expectancy in 2011: CIA Determines U. S. 78 Yrs;Canada 81.38 With all of the technological advancements, vaccines & education system in the U S of A, u would think we would have the longest life expectancy. Sadly, we don't even place in the top 10.
Things like McDonalds, stress, & lager bombs are probably responsible 4 the overall life expectancy for Americans. The top ranking country, Monaco, adds 20 more yrs to your life. Sad to say, America is number 50 on the CIA's list
In the wild there is no health care... I the wild, health care is - ow, I hurt my leg, a lion catches me and I'm dead. Well.. I'm not dead. I'm the lion, you're dead
@TheJDorian Yes and all the wealthy from those countries come here when they need complicated advanced care. Ever wonder why? In England there is a treatment for a certain form of brest cancer that works at about 90%, but the gov run healthcare does no tcover it because it is too expensive. In Canada, people come accross the border to the US for cardiac care and cancer treatments, why, cause in Canada you have to wait months for such things. If you want socialism feel free to move there.
@megarational Again, you won't debate because you can't I use no ones talking points. I am project manager dealing with healthcare data every day for the last 10 years. I know what I am talking about from dealing with it every day. I am not a republican, I am a libertarian and blame the republicans as well as the democrats for the bad economy and the rediculous size of our government. You want to live under socialist policies many countries for you to choose from.
Can you believe these people on the extreme right. This whole topic has been discussed over and over for years and they are still beating the same old drum despite reality. Just goes to show how effective massive corporate money works to keep ordinary people voting against their own best interests. Go Koch billionaire brothers, you've brainwashed 30% of Americans. Fortunately there are 70% of us who can't be Fox'd.
@theciscoshow Most people would rather have canadas healthcare, everyone knows yours is a joke. USA is the only country ive heard of that is still having a "debate" about healthcare, still in the year 2011... Thats all good and well that RICH people come to america for certain treatments but id guess most people cant afford thousands of dollars for anything, but they dont matter do they?
DOVER, Del. July 11 (BestWire) — If it can't obtain an exemption to the Affordable Care Act's medical-loss-ratio provision for the international portion of its business, Cigna Corp. may have to lay off 500 employees in Delaware, the company said.
The first thing i would do if i were pesident is ban home mortgages. Then before my first day was up i would abolish property tax. Then i would go home and think about my next move for U.S.A. And i would fall asleep counting politicians (insert joke here....).
Extortion is the destruction of the United States. Property tax extortion and income tax extortion must be eliminated. Unless that is accomplished, nothing else will matter. The world will belong to the extortionists.
Dr Elizabeth Warren of the COP says that last year 75% of the Families who ended up in bankruptcy as a result of a serious illness had health insurance at the onset of the illness or accident. Having watched many of her videos she is a seriously smart lady, and if she says the system is broken it would be foolish not to listen.
@alcraig I tend to agree with you. America is lagging far behind other nations in providing for the common good and well being of our citizens. We Americans hate to ever admit we've been snookered. Yea, lets continue to deny Health care coverage to individuals as the republicans wish. Lets deny until the situation becomes catstrophic and cost ONE HUNDRED times as much to remedy. Sure, that makles sense. Lets sign up for that
Excellent! We're not broke, we're still the richest nations yet pay 2x more for our Health Care yet still have the highest infant mortality rate of any advanced nation. GOP arguments on the cost of Universal Health Care are absurd. In the private sector the rate of increased costs currently is 7.7% while for Medicare it is only 4.6%. Medicare can negotiate prices & only spends 2 to 3% on running the program. CEO's pocket millions so how's them apples?
Thanks! It seems a lot of us know what's going on but don't know how to fix it. I hope Obama can deal with the ugly Repugs and the nutty TeaBaggerites and get us moving in the right direction. It seems the right is so intent on making Obama a one-term president they forgot to do their job to help America and Americans. Rich first, country and citizens last. Pretty sad situation for all of us.
Not being a US citizen it seems to me the main issue should be why a Country that spends double per person any OECD country on Healthcare scores the lowest in independent commonwealth fund reports. There is no doubt that those at the top of the tree receive the best care in the world but people on the lower rungs clearly are not happy with the quality of treatment they receive and the cost of that service. cont...
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universal healthcare is very simple if you want to cover people who dont have it now then you're going to have to tax the people who made enough money to provide for themselves to pay for the care of the people who didnt. now does raising taxes in the middle of a recession seem like a good idea to anyone?
@fangedcricket12 If raising taxes is by the following means it makes total sense: 1) eliminate Bush tax cuts for the rich. This makes even more sense in view of the fact that the rich poor gap continues to increase at an ever increasing rate. Wealth IS being redistributed - towards the top end. 2) end oil company subsidies. 3. End corporate loopholes.
"Every government interference in the economy consists of giving an unearned benefit, extorted by force, to some men at the expense of others" — Ayn Rand
if you're a liberal, you're are ignorant. It is NOT the government's job to baby the people in this country who chose not to make something of themselves. This country should be foucsed on equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOME. Now, I'm not saying that every single person that can't afford health care decided to throw their life away, there are certain circumstances that are understandable. But a majority of these people just want the government to do everything for them, and that is not it's job
@kelser95 That would be fine if the government upheld the Anti-Trust Law that prohibits monopolies from setting standards that are anti-capitalistic & anti-competitive, making drugs & medical care amongst the most expensive in the world without very good quality for most. Our gov't officials should butt-out of being in bed with their most generous constituents. The US gov't disgraces most of us. It's shameful for us to allow it.
@kelser95 And that includes equal opportunity for health care when you get sick. Ability to get health care only if you happen to be financially secure at that particular time is not equal opportunity.
Health care is a necessity. It's ignorant and evil policy to treat a necessity as just another commodity.
USA health care system sucks, and every country knows it, and laughs at us. The guy in the video, has prob never had a day in his life without insurance, and has NO idea what it feels like to be sick, and not be able to see a doctor because you have no insurance. Not all jobs offer insurance.
Anyone that violates the Non-Coercion Principle should be charted as such. Obama/Emanuel/Pelosi/Reid--just for their criminal medical service takeover--should be in prison at least.
You people are so stupid. "this bill is socialism, and socialism is EVIL!" I mean really. The same people who bitch about the government being too powerful and that we should all be a society of cannibalistic libertarian savages are the ones saying we should have a military second to none policing all other countries in the world to maintain capitalist dominance and social supremacy by any means necessary. Grow up. I bet less than one percent of you have actually read a book by Karl Marx.
If a broken arm was causing you considerable pain, you would want a doctor to mend the fracture instead of simply treating the pain right? Attempting to solve the health care issue in this country with a government-run program is like treating the symptom of a disease instead of the disease itself. The root of the problem with health care in the US is excessive medical costs caused by our currency being devalued by our monetary policy (.04% of its original worth).
@milkman52879 The focus of the private sector is on profits, not health care. Profits are maximized by avoiding the sick and those with health problems, and using fine print to deny coverage whenever it can.
Universal health care is just the will of the people to have a nation where anyone, regardless of wealth, can get health care, and get health care without economic devastation. Unless you want to be like some third world barbaric poverty stricken nation.
You speak as if Americans in the past were turned away in droves because they didn't have insurance. Before costs spiked to outrageous heights, that absolutely was not the case. Medical coverage didn't cost anywhere near what it does today and still wouldn't if our currency wasn't on the verge of collapse (a problem Canada doesn't have). What's wrong with correcting our fiscal issues, drastically reducing costs, and leaving health care between a Dr and a patient? It worked before.
@milkman52879 Doctors solve your health care problems. The role of government is simply to ensure a financing system that doesn't ensures everyone has access to health care and that the costs don't just fall on the backs of the sick and injured. It's called universal health care coverage. The most equitable way of financing it is through the progressive income tax system, and it's called a single payer system. It's also the most cost efficient.
I was using an analogy to explain that universal health care does not solve our current health care problems.... If health care didn't cost so much, we wouldn't have to resort to such measures to ensure that everyone could get the health care they needed. Costs weren't outrageous 50 years ago, and thus no one was denied necessary heath care. Just ask a Dr who practiced in the 60s. Universal health care means higher taxation and government spending, which adds to the problem's core.
@milkman52879 Bullshit. Canada has universal health care coverage and it costs a whopping 7% of GDP less than the absurd mish mash of a system in the U.S.
Now, before you start regurgitating the Fox & GOP lines about wait times in Canada, consider this: Canada`s system has since the inception of UHC been far less expensive than that in the U.S. and wait times were never a problem until the last few years (and it`s still no where near what the anit-Obama care propganda in the U.S portrays.
LOL...easy trigger! The fact that you're instantly condescending simply because I have a difference in opinion says a lot about you. Just because I don't favor UHC doesn't mean I'm some right-wing nut job. I despise Fox News, as well as the rest of the mainstream media, and aside from a few exceptions the GOP is nothing more than a bunch of corporate whores. Again, with a few exceptions, the same can be said about the Democrats. BOTH parties are responsible for the mess we're in.
All of these are good short-term solutions, but do nothing to address the cause of the problem at hand. Again, this is like treating a symptom of a problem instead of the problem itself. Hiking taxes and government spending rates only makes the problem at the core of this issue worse. How terrific will such programs be when the government goes completely bankrupt from all the reckless spending and everyone who's dependent upon the government is screwed?
@milkman52879 You missed the point. A single payer system is not hiking spending. It's reducing it because a single payer system is more administratively efficient and cost effective. It's the most important, but not the only, part of a real solution.
As for "raising taxes", if you consider private health insurance premiums to be a form of tax, replacing those premiums with actual taxes is reducing your taxes, since a single payer system is a lot cheaper.
You have missed the point. You're basically advocating that we perpetuate a broken system with more of the same positioning that got us here in the first place. The single payer system is better than what we have now. No doubt about it. The problem is however that even the single payer system is not sustainable! All this spending in DC is crashing our currency! The USD is worth 4% of its original worth. If the currency collapses, all of these programs go with it.
@milkman52879 Solve the problem one step at a time. Kudos to you for seeing the cost savings of a single payer system. But your political system is so fucked up and adversarial you even missed your chance at that.
Eventually you may HAVE to fall back on the GOP solution - just kick people off health care if they can't afford it, & replace medicare with a pathetic and inadequate voucher system.
@megarational small eg: Some $ for h.c. could be obtained by the Dem's proposal to end the multi-billion $ taxpayer subsidies to oil co.'s & most Americans agree. Naturally the Rep. corp. whores blocked it. They blew smoke up everyone's ass with rhetoric like "some of the oil company stocks are held by pension funds", and " why single out the oil co.s," and "lets open up the whole tax system for debate": Translation: we will block any attempt to eliminate taxpayer subsidies for oil co's.
The system you're referring to and the one that libertarians actually advocate are two different systems. There are a number of people who are down on capitalism due to all of the problems with the current system, but we don't have anything close to free market capitalism and haven't for a LONG time. We have Mercantilism at best. Describing the notion that people should be free to take care of themselves adversarial is simply inaccurate.
@milkman52879 I said your POLITICAL SYSTEM was disfunctionally adversarial. It's like two sports teams who care only about winning the contest, and the country be dammed.
America is one dumb country. Where else in the world would a narcissistic brainless milf like Sarah Palin actually be taken seriously as a presidential candidate?
@milkman52879 I agree with Libertarians that the government is too big, and too involved in peoples personal freedoms. Where Libertarians lose contact with the mother ship is when their passion for their utopian ideal blinds them to those particular areas where peoples government is absolutely necessary to represent the masses who don't have the wealth and power and would otherwise have no voice. Examples: regulations for Wall Street, and universal health care.
Yeah, there are a lot of neoconservatives out there with a dualistic view of government, but that's NOT the libertarian position AT ALL! Actual libertarians are non-interventionists and fiscal conservatives, most of which are socially liberal. I'll bet you've never read one book by Rothbard, Mises, Hayek or Menger. You are so stupid. Grow up....
@milkman52879 Libertarians serve only one useful function: to continually sensitize us about unnecessary government involvement. In the real world no nation has or will implement the "pie in the sky" theoretical model of Libertarians.
I would like to add, since this thread has been frequently revisited recently, that your view of libertarians is completely inaccurate. You apparently are confusing libertarians with neoconservatives. Libertarians do NOT subscribe to an interventionist foreign policy. You should try to educate yourself on such issues before you go around posting rants that don't make any sense. It completely undermines your credibility.
He said "earned" healthcare, I'm not a liberal but that's what makes me mad about Conservatives. Any money you've made in the private sector is due to hard work? There's hardworkers making zilch everyday in America and wealthy who don't know what they're doing but made some powerful friends or were born into it.
@TXIHedgehog37 'There's hardworkers making zilch everyday in American and wealthy who don't know what they're dong but made some powerful friends or were born into it. Well said! That's the real truth & the so-called "Conservatives" are a greedy lot devoid of heart or soul. Getting H.C. reform was a major reason for Obama's election. After a history of a half-century of failed attempts it feel fair that now at least citizens won't lose everything in the face of a catastrophic illness.
@TXIHedgehog37 Typical wealth envy, all doctors and entrepreneurs that risk their capital and make money are rich either because they inherited it or stole it.
@megarational lol, thug idiot, 56+% of medical services are coercively controlled by the Criminal Federal State with the other 46% is coercively controlled by the criminal Federal State. A voluntary system is the only moral and efficient system, you stupid lyer.
It MAY help lower costs (and hopefully it does). The problem is 12 year patents. If I could create something that someone needs in order to LIVE and can charge the massive costs for 12 YEARS (doctors are paid to prescribe prescriptions or medical treatments), I have a vicious money making machine. Also, when you provide INSURANCE, people will abuse it - and its essentially making payments for something. You can always charge more when EVERYONE makes payments for a MONOPOLIZED industry few need
No politicians will stand up to the trillion dollar industry. If we simply got rid of paying doctors to prescribe certain PATENTED medications (that cost thousands per month when there are $100 a month alternatives), we would see the considerate side of doctors come into play attacking the massive expenses to consumers. Then if we want lower SURGERY costs, we get rid of INSURANCE. Read on below
Almost makes me proud I'm from Michigan at one time before the unions and their democrats took over and ruined the state. I'm glad that Rogers is representing a part of our state!
when has the private sector fixed anything. u are going to pay for it anyway
what if the military was run by the private sector. yeah lets start turning away people that need care at hospitals. thats the only way price will go down, so yeah gotta change somthin.............dumbfucks,.............. its one excuse or the other for them to keep raising prices. the country needs to get off the dumbfuck band wagon
Let me get this straight . . . ..We're going to be "gifted" with a health care
plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people but does not add a single new doctor, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! o-yea and over seen by a surgeon general who is obese.
@z0r ur right. this bill is horrible. we dont need health care reform. this is america. we r # 1... whats that? we r ranked just behind cuba in the state of our health care system? you mean the communist cuba that kills its people if they speak out against their leaders? o i see. well still f u obama for making us pay for this expensive bill.. o wait, whats that? the house voted to remove a measure that would create a govermnet subsidised health care program creating revenue for the federal gov?
@frenchydawg first of all i'm from Cuba, and for you to make the statement that Americas health care system is of lower quality than Cuba's is laughable. Yes it is true that Cuba's government pays 87% of the citizens health care costs but that does not increase the quality of the care provided. Maybe you should stop watching Micheal Moore films and buying into that propaganda crap.
Taking care of people is righteous. Concern for the well being of people is the better thing to do. People need to be taken care of. National health care is helping people. We need to take care of each other.
@kelser95 We take care of each other in order to have civilization. The government is the means that we help out the unknown others that live a thousand miles from us. We the people desire to make it part of the government's job to provide health care for everyone. Same as we desire the military to protect the entire country and not just a few people. Of course, you won't change your mind.
@MrDiceman9000 'We the people desire to make it part of the government's job to provide health care for everyone. Same as we desire the military to protect the entire country and not just a few people".
Well said! Hope to hear more of your thoughtful analogies. : )
I would love someone to explain to me why every developed nation, except America, offers its citizens at least basic universal health care together with education and the rule of law. Why should it be different here? How do the people calmly accept that over 60% of bankruptcies have a medical expense element? Why are there not demonstrations? Finally; why is a president who apparently is attempting to address this issue called bad names by the very people he is trying to help?
@awakeamericanow Simple: We're in a representative democracy where majority rules and the majority of us don't want the government involved. Right now we have a 14T national debt and government entitlements are out of control. "Universal" healthcare doesn't eliminate healthcare costs, it just has the government finance them with taxes, so the people are still paying for it. 47% of Americans pay NO TAXES at a federal level. So 53% would be paying in for themselves AND the others who pay nothing.
In case you haven't noticed, the United States became the most powerful nation in the world on its own, not by copying "other" developed nations. As a proud American, I believe that this country sets the optimal standard, and doesn't need to look outside our borders for a blueprint to "follow." Do you not find it interesting that people in those countries often come here for medical treatment? Hmmm.
@clitoriscletus..... "Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies" ...CNN, google it,... hello...that means something is wrong with present system of health care
@clitoriscletus 'does not need to look outside our borders for a blueprint to follow' HOW VERY INSULAR - people often come to my country too .... its usually for the best treatment on offer....at the time.
@clitoriscletus 'does not need to look outside our borders for a blueprint to follow' HOW VERY INSULAR - people often come to my country too .... people use whatever is the best treatment on offer at the time of need, no matter what country....
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Mr. Rogers, I appreciate your efforts but your statistics are not even realistic. If 85% of us had health care, let alone affordable health care, there would be no problem in our country. 60% of those working may have some sort of coverage, the rest are in limbo and or cannot afford it, period. I would like to see someone attack the outrageous costs of health care and drug markups. A reasonable
profit is not pursued, but greed to its finest elevation. People are dying because they can't pay.
@afton53 If we were told over and over again that anywhere from 30 million to 46 million people are uninsured throughout the debate oh health-care then how can his statistic be wrong/?
@afton53 The health care bill doesn't make the insurance affordable it just means the companies have to sell it to you with pre-existing conditions. There are no caps on insurance premiums, prices are sky rocketing because of this bill.
DHHS had granted some 222 temporary waivers that offer affordable health insurance or prescription drug coverage with limited benefits. The agency updated its online list, which now reveals a whopping total of 729 Obamacare escapees. I didn't get my waiver!!
The Republicans control congress. If they think they can come up with a better h.c. reform bill then they should draft it, and have its costs & benefits analyzed by the CBO, and debated & compared by the American people.
But no, they just want to kill the present bill, and send the nation back to the situation that no government was successful in changing in the last almost half century.
The h.c. insur. co. extends coverage to millions more, prevents insur. co.s from cancelling your policy if you get sick, ends the doughnut hole for seniors, ends discrimination for pre-existing conditions, sets up an "exchange" to allow small co.s & individuals to pool purchasing power to compete with large organizations for the lower premiums, and forces insur. co's to spend at least 80% of your premiums on actual health care (as opposed to lobbying, advertising, etc.), and more...
@megarational The "liberal" solution to any industry that isn't perfect, that's screwed up due to government meddling (e.g. healthcare), is to wreck it with even more government meddling. Only a senseless dunce with a bureaucrat's brain could believe that having government run the health care system can make it better. Where were you when the ultimate disproof of that, the Soviet Union, collapsed under it's own weight?
@megarational - All those things you mentioned are going to nothing but increase the costs of health insurance. Everything you mentioned has a huge price tag on it. Are you really so foolish to think that the insurance companies will even exist after 2019? Obamacare is nothing but a bridge to a government single payer system. It is designed to force people out of private plans
and leave people no choice but to get on the only plan left, the government plan.
@megarational That is usually what people say when they have no argument. The current Obamacare plan makes them cover so many things that their costs will sky rocket. That means their premiums will as well. That means fewer people will be able to afford the private insurance so less will buy it reducing the risk pool which will itself cause further increases in rates. it is a death spiral for insurance companies and will put them out of the healthcare insurance business. Of course is the plan.
@megarational That is usually what people say when they have no argument. The current Obamacare plan makes them cover so many things that their costs will sky rocket. That means their premiums will as well. That means fewer people will be able to afford the private insurance so less will buy it reducing the risk pool which will itself cause further increases in rates. it is a death spiral for insurance companies and will put them out of the healthcare insurance business. Of course is the plan.
I hope you're right that we get to the single payer system but I imagine we won't move along that fast. Isreal's universal health care (subsidized by handouts from American taxpayers) provides them with excellent care. Most advanced countries have universal heatlh care & it works well.Did u like the system of children & adults being unable to get coverage if they pre-existing conditions? How about the cap on how much ins co's would pay. If terminal they can drop you - nice?
Stunning Health Care Law Update: Medicare's Chief Actuary says the law won't lower costs and some people will lose their current insurance!
Medicare Official Doubts Health Care Law Savings, 1/26/11, Associated Press.
"The landmark legislation probably won't hold costs down, and it won't let everybody keep their current health insurance if they like it, Chief Actuary Richard Foster told the House Budget Committee."
Hey; I'm not an American, a Brit' but have lived and worked here for years and paid my taxes. My company brings millions of dollars and creates lots of jobs in the local community, so I feel I have some reason to be able to comment. I wonder if Congressman Rogers has ever heard of George Orwell? He makes a specious argument sound like logic. How can he propose that (by his own words) 46 million uninsured Americans are better off here, than those in other countries with universal health care?
@awakeamericanow He wasn't saying that, he said 254 million people are happy with their health care and don't want to change our health care. Maybe the 46 million would be better off in another country where all of the population has the same bad health care. Why are you living in the United States?
@curveball6 In answer to your question 'Why am I living in America?' Because the company I work for, a European company which brings millions of dollars and dozens of jobs into the local community in Arizona needs me here because of my European specific professional qualifications. Given the choice I would go back in a heartbeat. I am sick to my back teeth of hearing the name of your elected president dragged through the mud by the very people he is attempting to help.
@awakeamericanow So far O'Bomber (Bush 3.0) automatons really love your mindless banter in support of the naked king.
So what you're saying is we should ENJOY having our unalienable Rights replaced with unwanted "privileges"?
Compulsory servitude beyond 3+ months per year most of us presently slave away?
Alms to a foreign, private, for profit corpse-oration that gives us nothing much in return but fiat paper 'spiral down' economics & endless fabricated wars?
I'm not an American. British, live and work here. Love my American colleagues, but totally baffled by the vilification of a president trying to introduce some equity into the health system. Citizens of all the developed countries I know off - except America - regard universal health care, education, law and order, as their birthright. God help anyone in America who falls sick or has an accident without health insurance - or just been let go? tough.
After 2013 you will have no public option if you are not already uninsured. That's in the bill as well. I can only conclude that those who are covered by then will pay massive premiums due to lack of price competition in the free market. This is a huge money monster and we will pay heavily for it in the long run!
The Military budget of the United States for the 2009 fiscal year was $ 515.4 billion. I think you guys should spend less on warfare and more on healthcare. But hey, what do i know...
@Troublesome2008 I couldn't agree more. Not sure what you mean by "you guys" though. I'm an American who is concerned about the overall welfare of our country and our individual freedoms.
Well, you complained about the Health Care Reform being "a huge money monster" and about how Americans "will pay heavily for it in the long run". At the same time The Military Industrial Complex costs you 500 billion every year (and that's the money we know about, the CIA for example has a secret budget which was 45 billion in 2005 alone). I never hear anybody complain about the money that's being spend on war, but when money is being spend on healthcare, people get angry. Funny...
I know. In fact, you are right. Never mind me. It's your country, so you people can decide how you want to spend your money. We have our own problems here in Europe, so i shouldn't talk...
@Troublesome2008 Those of us who are awake are mad at everything they spend money on which is unconstitutional! The empire and nanny state has to end through cuts or it will end badly otherwise!
you could use that same rationale for tax policy... only the numbers are not 85/15, for taxes, it's 98/2... Gee Mike, why would 98% of the population want to bow down to two percent? Think about it, hypocrite!
I think Heath care had a public option. Adapt or perish. That is not to say I want a crule society, to the contrary we had a public option. No one is placing a gun to the heads of People who work jobs without offering heathcare. When the fields need labor and find that barganing for them to have that benefit. The employer faces 2 options raise the cost onto the consumer of diminish the employees wages. Now the cost of heathcare is the root of the issue which is a suply and demand action.
Mikey: The USA HC Insurance system is NOT working on a good day, fact: you can go bankrupt WITH a private HC plan. And Mikey: do you have a Private Insurance plan or the life time Government run plan? And why saddle business with paying for HC, government can do it much cheaper, like the plan you use everyday until you die.Dont blame USA folks for being mad, You pay for the poor and elderly HC, but none for yourself.
Here is the circular lodgic of both parties and why they have contempt for the American People. Democrats say tax the middle class/ rich business owners/ corporations republicans say cut spending then dont, then lower the taxes a weak 4 %. Taxing the business will never work the cost is always transifed to the product/ service which translates tax on the consumer. republicans are digging us into a debt crisis which will raise taxes.
His argument is vaild but like all rep he did not give one example of how he thinks we can fix our health care problem and that is what pisses me off so much about people who appose it. I understand completely why people want gov out of health care but at least contribute ideas because we spend more of our GDP on health care then all of the industrialized countries yet it doesn't cover everybody.....if that isnt a big problem what is?
@kinglbkiv Problem is the public thinks that getting a cold requires a trip to the emergency room. Patching up a falty system with a communist styled health care system. The problem is People do not have enough choice to reduce cost Via competition in the insurance industry. Honestly I am young in my 30's with no health problems. Paying 200 a week when I could save that cost and spend 1000 a year on physicals and the occational visit for antibioticsIs more practicle.
@kinglbkiv How ever I think its should be up to the individual to plan and expect for a serious illness or injury in there life time. Its the irresponcible people who place a 8 dollar pack of smokes over saving for the future well being then thrust them selves into the hospital with not a penny to there names and help me Im a victim of cancer. trillions of dollars to reserch Cancer and no cure? A waist of funds IMOA that could go to keep costs down for People.
@kinglbkiv there is no authority in the state or federal government's mandate to protect the individuals safty. With that stated, who decides for the individual but the individual. The issue is both coddling the insurance industries with government tax breaks and protection from competition which keeps costs artificially high for all compounding the impact on the gov picking up the tab or poorer people. Reason why saving for injury is not popular is cause inflation and pitiful interest rates.
@kinglbkiv sorry to bomb you with comments, I hope you dont take offence.just offering convasation and imput. The real issue is the internationalists want America to be inefficent, in areas it useto dominate in like cars, manufacturing, ideas AKA inventing,and likewise medicine. The key to this pan has always been 3 legs 1)dumbing down the schools 2) LEGISLATING 3)over taxing. for the record I carry no water for either repubs or democrats. The issue is Americans now shirk from responcibility.
@deathmarch5 You seem quiet indecisive idk what your arguing for other than for individuals to have more rights which i have heard be argued in favor and opposition against a public option.
@kinglbkiv I think that if we had more insurance companies as opposed to atena, Blue cross blue shield, and several others if all 10 major insurance comanies decide to agree to keep the cost per month at 1500 dollars to cover an individual. That would diminish there clientel lessing Profits. If it wasnt for government paying for 20% of the country 60 million People These business could not have the monopoly they have. The issue has always been profiteering on injury.
@kinglbkiv The insurance Companies wrote the bill which includes elements of Patriot act, UN gun bans, which was the federal government agreement to pass private legislation in the name of the Publics general welfair. The only reason for the ins comp to write this legislation was to get closer to the Person with the printing press. And guess what the People dont have one. And ultimatly history shows we either pay the debt or get collateralized as chattle. 1933 bankruptcy is an example of future.
@deathmarch5 amen bro i think we should have just had the public option but the insurance companys payed big bucks to smear it with all the lies. how could people even appose something that is an OPTION meaning for choice and freedom: some people are fuckin stupid
I've been reading your patient attempts to make some headway with jewelthief. She said "My compassion only goes so far...". Now exactly how far does it go? It doesn't seem to extend to as much as an inch. I have yet to meet a neocon, teabagger or so-called "conservative" who cares about other humans. It's always the case they label those struggling financially as lazy bums, wanting others to take care of them, wasting their money on plasma T.V.'s & other B.S. of that sort.
@WELTSORF I made a little bit of progress, but only just a little. The world is full of people like Jewel Thief and the only recourse is to vote early and vote often.
I won't disagree with you that this Williams character is getting paid much more than is necessary, and that those funds could have been much better apportioned. I won't even argue on behalf of specific companies. One fat cat (or many for that matter) doesn't make private health care as a bad idea. Those are valid points you raise, and they are real issues that need to be address. I am sure you have many other examples that bolster your side. Lets not forget that the incentive model applies not
Who are these billionaires that everyone is talking about? Business owners; do you think they just made billions by playing the lottery? So when you cut these business owner billionaires money by 25%, there going to cut jobs. Your job.
US Congress is depressing. So serious.. everyone is ready to kill each other. We need to have a House and Senate that's more like that of New Zealand's Chamber. Watch a debate.. they're so light-hearted.
upiluften 1 day ago
What is so disheartening about this attitude is that we have truly 'abandoned' the principles of helping our brother...Romans 14:13 If we are ever truly going to grow to our human potential we must remove the profit motive out of our decision making, or at least be truthful about what the facts are. 65% of those 15% expressed here are the unspoken seniors who, of course, are meaningless to most people when it comes to care. John F. Kennedy must be rolling in his grave.
Proprem 1 week ago
I'm not giving you reasons to go to work. You probably have your own. Perhaps sharing things like a fire department, the marine corps, the cdc, public universities, roads and health care will make our society into a great civilization that can stand the test of time. Without public investment and helping each other we will not be a more honorable nation. I'm ashamed that we don't have national health care.
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JamieLianabf131 2 months ago
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Apolloadama1 3 months ago
I am in favor of it if they institute a national health tax where every citizens is required to report to a national health care center once a year for an evaluation, for every 5 pounds they are overweight they pay an extra 2% to 3% in taxes until the following year, if they have kids that are overweight then parents or guardians must pay an extra 5% in taxes for every 5 pounds the kid(s) are overweight. Also make a mandatory 30% to 50% tax on all healthy foods, fast food, ice cream, candy,etc..
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2002BRAM 5 months ago
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eliasmouawad 5 months ago
I feel like health insurance is great for tragic accidents and serious health conditions. I purchase my own healthcare plan for my entire family for $39.95/month. It's like a big discount club and I save MORE with this than traditional health insurance. I don't think our system is going to improve for a while.
SelfEmployedUtopia 5 months ago
@2012BigAirJump No problem you inbred moron. I debate those worthy of it. The other fools like you I just insult for fun. It's effortless.
megarational 5 months ago
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onesmartgal 5 months ago
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Have you seen their polls? The New York Times/CBS News poll just last night showed Congress' approval rating falling to 14%, with a record 82% of Americans now disapproving of the way Congress is handling its job. Obama remains @ 46%. It's always with the greatest disgust, that we see the TP's and supporters on these videos attempt to say Americans ARE the TP. We know betterf and these polls clearly support the facts
onesmartgal 5 months ago
A non-partisan poll shows the public blames the GOP for the debt crisis by 70%.'
They can't keep pulling the wool over Americans' eyes anymore. The populace has awakened.
onesmartgal 5 months ago
Life Expectancy in 2011: CIA Determines U. S. 78 Yrs;Canada 81.38 With all of the technological advancements, vaccines & education system in the U S of A, u would think we would have the longest life expectancy. Sadly, we don't even place in the top 10.
Things like McDonalds, stress, & lager bombs are probably responsible 4 the overall life expectancy for Americans. The top ranking country, Monaco, adds 20 more yrs to your life. Sad to say, America is number 50 on the CIA's list
onesmartgal 5 months ago
In the wild there is no health care... I the wild, health care is - ow, I hurt my leg, a lion catches me and I'm dead. Well.. I'm not dead. I'm the lion, you're dead
bbvibrabb 6 months ago
Amazing - seriously?
nmgutman 6 months ago
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'They are simply too dense to fully grasp the implications of what you are saying.' bvdwidepants
You and TheJDorian speak the truth. How blind or how selfish and greedy does one have to be not to see through the lies?
onesmartgal 6 months ago
America is the only industrialized nation in the world which doesnt have universal healthcare. Get a grip.
TheJDorian 6 months ago
@TheJDorian They are simply too dense to fully grasp the implications of what you are saying.
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onesmartgal 6 months ago
@TheJDorian Yes and all the wealthy from those countries come here when they need complicated advanced care. Ever wonder why? In England there is a treatment for a certain form of brest cancer that works at about 90%, but the gov run healthcare does no tcover it because it is too expensive. In Canada, people come accross the border to the US for cardiac care and cancer treatments, why, cause in Canada you have to wait months for such things. If you want socialism feel free to move there.
theciscoshow 6 months ago
@theciscoshow
I already told you when you said "insurance co.'s" won't exist after 2019, I won't waste time debating a fool.
Now quit polluting my in basket with bullshit Faux News/GOP/Corporate whore talking points beat to death during the h.c. debate.
megarational 6 months ago 3
@megarational Again, you won't debate because you can't I use no ones talking points. I am project manager dealing with healthcare data every day for the last 10 years. I know what I am talking about from dealing with it every day. I am not a republican, I am a libertarian and blame the republicans as well as the democrats for the bad economy and the rediculous size of our government. You want to live under socialist policies many countries for you to choose from.
theciscoshow 6 months ago
@theciscoshow Fuck off and quit polluting my in basket.
Why do you keep clinging?
Do you LIKE being insulted?
megarational 6 months ago
@megarational
Can you believe these people on the extreme right. This whole topic has been discussed over and over for years and they are still beating the same old drum despite reality. Just goes to show how effective massive corporate money works to keep ordinary people voting against their own best interests. Go Koch billionaire brothers, you've brainwashed 30% of Americans. Fortunately there are 70% of us who can't be Fox'd.
onesmartgal 5 months ago
@onesmartgal Yup.
megarational 5 months ago
@theciscoshow Most people would rather have canadas healthcare, everyone knows yours is a joke. USA is the only country ive heard of that is still having a "debate" about healthcare, still in the year 2011... Thats all good and well that RICH people come to america for certain treatments but id guess most people cant afford thousands of dollars for anything, but they dont matter do they?
TheJDorian 5 months ago
DOVER, Del. July 11 (BestWire) — If it can't obtain an exemption to the Affordable Care Act's medical-loss-ratio provision for the international portion of its business, Cigna Corp. may have to lay off 500 employees in Delaware, the company said.
Obama is a human wrecking ball.
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stuart1116 7 months ago
The first thing i would do if i were pesident is ban home mortgages. Then before my first day was up i would abolish property tax. Then i would go home and think about my next move for U.S.A. And i would fall asleep counting politicians (insert joke here....).
gnfrf80 7 months ago
Even Pokemon has free healthcare.
RonBurgundy161 7 months ago
Extortion is the destruction of the United States. Property tax extortion and income tax extortion must be eliminated. Unless that is accomplished, nothing else will matter. The world will belong to the extortionists.
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Freedomloveandtruth 7 months ago
Dr Elizabeth Warren of the COP says that last year 75% of the Families who ended up in bankruptcy as a result of a serious illness had health insurance at the onset of the illness or accident. Having watched many of her videos she is a seriously smart lady, and if she says the system is broken it would be foolish not to listen.
alcraig 7 months ago
@alcraig I tend to agree with you. America is lagging far behind other nations in providing for the common good and well being of our citizens. We Americans hate to ever admit we've been snookered. Yea, lets continue to deny Health care coverage to individuals as the republicans wish. Lets deny until the situation becomes catstrophic and cost ONE HUNDRED times as much to remedy. Sure, that makles sense. Lets sign up for that
bvdwidepants 7 months ago
@bvdwidepants
Excellent! We're not broke, we're still the richest nations yet pay 2x more for our Health Care yet still have the highest infant mortality rate of any advanced nation. GOP arguments on the cost of Universal Health Care are absurd. In the private sector the rate of increased costs currently is 7.7% while for Medicare it is only 4.6%. Medicare can negotiate prices & only spends 2 to 3% on running the program. CEO's pocket millions so how's them apples?
onesmartgal 6 months ago
@onesmartgal You are exactly right. Well said.
SeymourTruthh 6 months ago
@SeymourTruthh
Thanks! It seems a lot of us know what's going on but don't know how to fix it. I hope Obama can deal with the ugly Repugs and the nutty TeaBaggerites and get us moving in the right direction. It seems the right is so intent on making Obama a one-term president they forgot to do their job to help America and Americans. Rich first, country and citizens last. Pretty sad situation for all of us.
onesmartgal 6 months ago
@onesmartgal Very well said. I think you nailed it. The wealthy first, everything else is secondary.
SeymourTruthh 6 months ago
@SeymourTruthh
What's it all about Alphie?
onesmartgal 6 months ago
Not being a US citizen it seems to me the main issue should be why a Country that spends double per person any OECD country on Healthcare scores the lowest in independent commonwealth fund reports. There is no doubt that those at the top of the tree receive the best care in the world but people on the lower rungs clearly are not happy with the quality of treatment they receive and the cost of that service. cont...
alcraig 7 months ago
any friends from canada ..we would greatly like to hear your comments about your healthcare system , weither you like it or not, what is good or bad etc..thank you ,
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CecilCollins34 8 months ago
universal healthcare is very simple if you want to cover people who dont have it now then you're going to have to tax the people who made enough money to provide for themselves to pay for the care of the people who didnt. now does raising taxes in the middle of a recession seem like a good idea to anyone?
fangedcricket12 9 months ago
@fangedcricket12 If raising taxes is by the following means it makes total sense: 1) eliminate Bush tax cuts for the rich. This makes even more sense in view of the fact that the rich poor gap continues to increase at an ever increasing rate. Wealth IS being redistributed - towards the top end. 2) end oil company subsidies. 3. End corporate loopholes.
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notbestfriends 9 months ago
if you're a liberal, you're are ignorant. It is NOT the government's job to baby the people in this country who chose not to make something of themselves. This country should be foucsed on equal OPPORTUNITY, not equal OUTCOME. Now, I'm not saying that every single person that can't afford health care decided to throw their life away, there are certain circumstances that are understandable. But a majority of these people just want the government to do everything for them, and that is not it's job
kelser95 9 months ago
@kelser95 That would be fine if the government upheld the Anti-Trust Law that prohibits monopolies from setting standards that are anti-capitalistic & anti-competitive, making drugs & medical care amongst the most expensive in the world without very good quality for most. Our gov't officials should butt-out of being in bed with their most generous constituents. The US gov't disgraces most of us. It's shameful for us to allow it.
SIMKINETICS 9 months ago
@kelser95 And that includes equal opportunity for health care when you get sick. Ability to get health care only if you happen to be financially secure at that particular time is not equal opportunity.
Health care is a necessity. It's ignorant and evil policy to treat a necessity as just another commodity.
megarational 8 months ago
USA health care system sucks, and every country knows it, and laughs at us. The guy in the video, has prob never had a day in his life without insurance, and has NO idea what it feels like to be sick, and not be able to see a doctor because you have no insurance. Not all jobs offer insurance.
NowThePeople 9 months ago
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heartlessvietboy 9 months ago
Anyone that violates the Non-Coercion Principle should be charted as such. Obama/Emanuel/Pelosi/Reid--just for their criminal medical service takeover--should be in prison at least.
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You people are so stupid. "this bill is socialism, and socialism is EVIL!" I mean really. The same people who bitch about the government being too powerful and that we should all be a society of cannibalistic libertarian savages are the ones saying we should have a military second to none policing all other countries in the world to maintain capitalist dominance and social supremacy by any means necessary. Grow up. I bet less than one percent of you have actually read a book by Karl Marx.
VideoFreeMichael 10 months ago
@VideoFreeMichael
If a broken arm was causing you considerable pain, you would want a doctor to mend the fracture instead of simply treating the pain right? Attempting to solve the health care issue in this country with a government-run program is like treating the symptom of a disease instead of the disease itself. The root of the problem with health care in the US is excessive medical costs caused by our currency being devalued by our monetary policy (.04% of its original worth).
milkman52879 10 months ago
@milkman52879 The focus of the private sector is on profits, not health care. Profits are maximized by avoiding the sick and those with health problems, and using fine print to deny coverage whenever it can.
Universal health care is just the will of the people to have a nation where anyone, regardless of wealth, can get health care, and get health care without economic devastation. Unless you want to be like some third world barbaric poverty stricken nation.
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational
You speak as if Americans in the past were turned away in droves because they didn't have insurance. Before costs spiked to outrageous heights, that absolutely was not the case. Medical coverage didn't cost anywhere near what it does today and still wouldn't if our currency wasn't on the verge of collapse (a problem Canada doesn't have). What's wrong with correcting our fiscal issues, drastically reducing costs, and leaving health care between a Dr and a patient? It worked before.
milkman52879 8 months ago
@milkman52879 Doctors solve your health care problems. The role of government is simply to ensure a financing system that doesn't ensures everyone has access to health care and that the costs don't just fall on the backs of the sick and injured. It's called universal health care coverage. The most equitable way of financing it is through the progressive income tax system, and it's called a single payer system. It's also the most cost efficient.
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational
I was using an analogy to explain that universal health care does not solve our current health care problems.... If health care didn't cost so much, we wouldn't have to resort to such measures to ensure that everyone could get the health care they needed. Costs weren't outrageous 50 years ago, and thus no one was denied necessary heath care. Just ask a Dr who practiced in the 60s. Universal health care means higher taxation and government spending, which adds to the problem's core.
milkman52879 8 months ago
@milkman52879 Bullshit. Canada has universal health care coverage and it costs a whopping 7% of GDP less than the absurd mish mash of a system in the U.S.
Now, before you start regurgitating the Fox & GOP lines about wait times in Canada, consider this: Canada`s system has since the inception of UHC been far less expensive than that in the U.S. and wait times were never a problem until the last few years (and it`s still no where near what the anit-Obama care propganda in the U.S portrays.
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational
LOL...easy trigger! The fact that you're instantly condescending simply because I have a difference in opinion says a lot about you. Just because I don't favor UHC doesn't mean I'm some right-wing nut job. I despise Fox News, as well as the rest of the mainstream media, and aside from a few exceptions the GOP is nothing more than a bunch of corporate whores. Again, with a few exceptions, the same can be said about the Democrats. BOTH parties are responsible for the mess we're in.
milkman52879 8 months ago
@milkman52879 You want a tremendous reduction in h.c. costs:
1. most critical - a single payer system, the biggest opportunity for massive savings.
2. eliminate medical school quotas
3. heavily subsidized (or free) med. school for those of low income students with demonstrated aptitude.
4. fast track foreign doctors (one the pass U.S.) exams, getting residency in hospitals.
5. use Mayo clinic ``team`` approach.
6. innovative changes like computerized national records (reduces admin & duplic). .
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational
All of these are good short-term solutions, but do nothing to address the cause of the problem at hand. Again, this is like treating a symptom of a problem instead of the problem itself. Hiking taxes and government spending rates only makes the problem at the core of this issue worse. How terrific will such programs be when the government goes completely bankrupt from all the reckless spending and everyone who's dependent upon the government is screwed?
milkman52879 8 months ago
@milkman52879 You missed the point. A single payer system is not hiking spending. It's reducing it because a single payer system is more administratively efficient and cost effective. It's the most important, but not the only, part of a real solution.
As for "raising taxes", if you consider private health insurance premiums to be a form of tax, replacing those premiums with actual taxes is reducing your taxes, since a single payer system is a lot cheaper.
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational
You have missed the point. You're basically advocating that we perpetuate a broken system with more of the same positioning that got us here in the first place. The single payer system is better than what we have now. No doubt about it. The problem is however that even the single payer system is not sustainable! All this spending in DC is crashing our currency! The USD is worth 4% of its original worth. If the currency collapses, all of these programs go with it.
milkman52879 8 months ago
@milkman52879 Solve the problem one step at a time. Kudos to you for seeing the cost savings of a single payer system. But your political system is so fucked up and adversarial you even missed your chance at that.
Eventually you may HAVE to fall back on the GOP solution - just kick people off health care if they can't afford it, & replace medicare with a pathetic and inadequate voucher system.
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational small eg: Some $ for h.c. could be obtained by the Dem's proposal to end the multi-billion $ taxpayer subsidies to oil co.'s & most Americans agree. Naturally the Rep. corp. whores blocked it. They blew smoke up everyone's ass with rhetoric like "some of the oil company stocks are held by pension funds", and " why single out the oil co.s," and "lets open up the whole tax system for debate": Translation: we will block any attempt to eliminate taxpayer subsidies for oil co's.
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational
The system you're referring to and the one that libertarians actually advocate are two different systems. There are a number of people who are down on capitalism due to all of the problems with the current system, but we don't have anything close to free market capitalism and haven't for a LONG time. We have Mercantilism at best. Describing the notion that people should be free to take care of themselves adversarial is simply inaccurate.
milkman52879 8 months ago
@milkman52879 I said your POLITICAL SYSTEM was disfunctionally adversarial. It's like two sports teams who care only about winning the contest, and the country be dammed.
America is one dumb country. Where else in the world would a narcissistic brainless milf like Sarah Palin actually be taken seriously as a presidential candidate?
megarational 8 months ago
@milkman52879 I agree with Libertarians that the government is too big, and too involved in peoples personal freedoms. Where Libertarians lose contact with the mother ship is when their passion for their utopian ideal blinds them to those particular areas where peoples government is absolutely necessary to represent the masses who don't have the wealth and power and would otherwise have no voice. Examples: regulations for Wall Street, and universal health care.
megarational 8 months ago
@VideoFreeMichael
Yeah, there are a lot of neoconservatives out there with a dualistic view of government, but that's NOT the libertarian position AT ALL! Actual libertarians are non-interventionists and fiscal conservatives, most of which are socially liberal. I'll bet you've never read one book by Rothbard, Mises, Hayek or Menger. You are so stupid. Grow up....
milkman52879 10 months ago
@milkman52879 Libertarians serve only one useful function: to continually sensitize us about unnecessary government involvement. In the real world no nation has or will implement the "pie in the sky" theoretical model of Libertarians.
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational
Basically resorting to name calling instead of sticking to the issues undermines the credibility of your position.....
milkman52879 8 months ago
@VideoFreeMichael
I would like to add, since this thread has been frequently revisited recently, that your view of libertarians is completely inaccurate. You apparently are confusing libertarians with neoconservatives. Libertarians do NOT subscribe to an interventionist foreign policy. You should try to educate yourself on such issues before you go around posting rants that don't make any sense. It completely undermines your credibility.
milkman52879 8 months ago
He said "earned" healthcare, I'm not a liberal but that's what makes me mad about Conservatives. Any money you've made in the private sector is due to hard work? There's hardworkers making zilch everyday in America and wealthy who don't know what they're doing but made some powerful friends or were born into it.
TXIHedgehog37 10 months ago 25
@TXIHedgehog37 'There's hardworkers making zilch everyday in American and wealthy who don't know what they're dong but made some powerful friends or were born into it. Well said! That's the real truth & the so-called "Conservatives" are a greedy lot devoid of heart or soul. Getting H.C. reform was a major reason for Obama's election. After a history of a half-century of failed attempts it feel fair that now at least citizens won't lose everything in the face of a catastrophic illness.
onesmartgal1 9 months ago 2
@TXIHedgehog37 Typical wealth envy, all doctors and entrepreneurs that risk their capital and make money are rich either because they inherited it or stole it.
qwertypoiu4321 9 months ago
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megarational 8 months ago
@qwertypoiu4321 Doctors are risking fuck all. Ever hear of a doctor going bankrupt?
megarational 8 months ago
@megarational lol, thug idiot, 56+% of medical services are coercively controlled by the Criminal Federal State with the other 46% is coercively controlled by the criminal Federal State. A voluntary system is the only moral and efficient system, you stupid lyer.
qwertypoiu4321 8 months ago
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I hope USA doesn't fix their health care because then I'll have less things to make fun of the USA about.
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SesyuaFawnay790 11 months ago 26
It MAY help lower costs (and hopefully it does). The problem is 12 year patents. If I could create something that someone needs in order to LIVE and can charge the massive costs for 12 YEARS (doctors are paid to prescribe prescriptions or medical treatments), I have a vicious money making machine. Also, when you provide INSURANCE, people will abuse it - and its essentially making payments for something. You can always charge more when EVERYONE makes payments for a MONOPOLIZED industry few need
luckycharmz336 11 months ago
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luckycharmz336 11 months ago
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No politicians will stand up to the trillion dollar industry. If we simply got rid of paying doctors to prescribe certain PATENTED medications (that cost thousands per month when there are $100 a month alternatives), we would see the considerate side of doctors come into play attacking the massive expenses to consumers. Then if we want lower SURGERY costs, we get rid of INSURANCE. Read on below
luckycharmz336 11 months ago
When will this nightmare be over????
There's got to be a better way to enact some simple and understandable health care reforms based on common sense.
ilikeutubejustfine 11 months ago
Powerful video. Let's get it back out there again.
chase82 11 months ago
Almost makes me proud I'm from Michigan at one time before the unions and their democrats took over and ruined the state. I'm glad that Rogers is representing a part of our state!
rodeocowboy1 11 months ago
when has the private sector fixed anything. u are going to pay for it anyway
what if the military was run by the private sector. yeah lets start turning away people that need care at hospitals. thats the only way price will go down, so yeah gotta change somthin.............dumbfucks,.............. its one excuse or the other for them to keep raising prices. the country needs to get off the dumbfuck band wagon
ianhowe007 11 months ago
Let me get this straight . . . ..We're going to be "gifted" with a health care
plan we are forced to purchase and fined if we don't, Which purportedly covers at least ten million more people but does not add a single new doctor, written by a committee whose chairman says he doesn't understand it, passed by a Congress that didn’t read it, and financed by a country that's broke!!!!! o-yea and over seen by a surgeon general who is obese.
What the hell could possibly go wrong?
z0r 11 months ago 8
@z0r ur right. this bill is horrible. we dont need health care reform. this is america. we r # 1... whats that? we r ranked just behind cuba in the state of our health care system? you mean the communist cuba that kills its people if they speak out against their leaders? o i see. well still f u obama for making us pay for this expensive bill.. o wait, whats that? the house voted to remove a measure that would create a govermnet subsidised health care program creating revenue for the federal gov?
frenchydawg 11 months ago
@frenchydawg first of all i'm from Cuba, and for you to make the statement that Americas health care system is of lower quality than Cuba's is laughable. Yes it is true that Cuba's government pays 87% of the citizens health care costs but that does not increase the quality of the care provided. Maybe you should stop watching Micheal Moore films and buying into that propaganda crap.
z0r 11 months ago 4
Taking care of people is righteous. Concern for the well being of people is the better thing to do. People need to be taken care of. National health care is helping people. We need to take care of each other.
MrDiceman9000 1 year ago
@MrDiceman9000 or people can take care of themselves. When did it become the government's job to provide health care for everyone?!
kelser95 9 months ago
@kelser95 We take care of each other in order to have civilization. The government is the means that we help out the unknown others that live a thousand miles from us. We the people desire to make it part of the government's job to provide health care for everyone. Same as we desire the military to protect the entire country and not just a few people. Of course, you won't change your mind.
MrDiceman9000 3 months ago
@MrDiceman9000 'We the people desire to make it part of the government's job to provide health care for everyone. Same as we desire the military to protect the entire country and not just a few people".
Well said! Hope to hear more of your thoughtful analogies. : )
onesmartgal 2 months ago
@MrDiceman9000 so i go to work everyday to support the lazy bum who decides not to. yeah, that sounds fair.
fingersmcoy 1 month ago
I would love someone to explain to me why every developed nation, except America, offers its citizens at least basic universal health care together with education and the rule of law. Why should it be different here? How do the people calmly accept that over 60% of bankruptcies have a medical expense element? Why are there not demonstrations? Finally; why is a president who apparently is attempting to address this issue called bad names by the very people he is trying to help?
awakeamericanow 1 year ago 24
@awakeamericanow Simple: We're in a representative democracy where majority rules and the majority of us don't want the government involved. Right now we have a 14T national debt and government entitlements are out of control. "Universal" healthcare doesn't eliminate healthcare costs, it just has the government finance them with taxes, so the people are still paying for it. 47% of Americans pay NO TAXES at a federal level. So 53% would be paying in for themselves AND the others who pay nothing.
basketballplayer182 1 year ago
@awakeamericanow
In case you haven't noticed, the United States became the most powerful nation in the world on its own, not by copying "other" developed nations. As a proud American, I believe that this country sets the optimal standard, and doesn't need to look outside our borders for a blueprint to "follow." Do you not find it interesting that people in those countries often come here for medical treatment? Hmmm.
clitoriscletus 1 year ago
@clitoriscletus..... "Medical bills prompt more than 60 percent of U.S. bankruptcies" ...CNN, google it,... hello...that means something is wrong with present system of health care
velvetbc 11 months ago
@clitoriscletus 'does not need to look outside our borders for a blueprint to follow' HOW VERY INSULAR - people often come to my country too .... its usually for the best treatment on offer....at the time.
Jeannelawes 11 months ago
@clitoriscletus 'does not need to look outside our borders for a blueprint to follow' HOW VERY INSULAR - people often come to my country too .... people use whatever is the best treatment on offer at the time of need, no matter what country....
Jeannelawes 11 months ago
Obamacare was signed on March 2010 with 59% of the people disapproving according to a CNN poll. The CBO scored Obamacare on six years of coverage for 10 years of taxes, which is how the CBO showed the bill to be deficit neutral . It’s unconstitutional mandating all citizens to purchase health care. Even Pelosi said, “We have to pass the bill, so you can find out what is in it.” watch?v=KoE1R-xH5To It’s also meant to take over industry watch?v=p-bY92mcOdk
Allen West 2012
Twilightifyable 1 year ago
If U.S. District Judge Roger doesn't want to sound like an oxymoron he needs to rule car insurance unconstitutional also.
nomeatsteak 1 year ago
Mr. Rogers, I appreciate your efforts but your statistics are not even realistic. If 85% of us had health care, let alone affordable health care, there would be no problem in our country. 60% of those working may have some sort of coverage, the rest are in limbo and or cannot afford it, period. I would like to see someone attack the outrageous costs of health care and drug markups. A reasonable
profit is not pursued, but greed to its finest elevation. People are dying because they can't pay.
afton53 1 year ago 8
@afton53 If we were told over and over again that anywhere from 30 million to 46 million people are uninsured throughout the debate oh health-care then how can his statistic be wrong/?
curveball6 11 months ago
@afton53 The health care bill doesn't make the insurance affordable it just means the companies have to sell it to you with pre-existing conditions. There are no caps on insurance premiums, prices are sky rocketing because of this bill.
DHHS had granted some 222 temporary waivers that offer affordable health insurance or prescription drug coverage with limited benefits. The agency updated its online list, which now reveals a whopping total of 729 Obamacare escapees. I didn't get my waiver!!
1776Rosco 11 months ago 2
@1776Rosco Yes and over 40% of those waivers went to Obama's beloved unions. I want my health care waiver.
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afton53 1 year ago
The Republicans control congress. If they think they can come up with a better h.c. reform bill then they should draft it, and have its costs & benefits analyzed by the CBO, and debated & compared by the American people.
But no, they just want to kill the present bill, and send the nation back to the situation that no government was successful in changing in the last almost half century.
megarational 1 year ago 22
The h.c. insur. co. extends coverage to millions more, prevents insur. co.s from cancelling your policy if you get sick, ends the doughnut hole for seniors, ends discrimination for pre-existing conditions, sets up an "exchange" to allow small co.s & individuals to pool purchasing power to compete with large organizations for the lower premiums, and forces insur. co's to spend at least 80% of your premiums on actual health care (as opposed to lobbying, advertising, etc.), and more...
megarational 1 year ago 31
@megarational The "liberal" solution to any industry that isn't perfect, that's screwed up due to government meddling (e.g. healthcare), is to wreck it with even more government meddling. Only a senseless dunce with a bureaucrat's brain could believe that having government run the health care system can make it better. Where were you when the ultimate disproof of that, the Soviet Union, collapsed under it's own weight?
carlosperdue 8 months ago
@megarational - All those things you mentioned are going to nothing but increase the costs of health insurance. Everything you mentioned has a huge price tag on it. Are you really so foolish to think that the insurance companies will even exist after 2019? Obamacare is nothing but a bridge to a government single payer system. It is designed to force people out of private plans
and leave people no choice but to get on the only plan left, the government plan.
theciscoshow 6 months ago
@theciscoshow Insurance companies are not even going to exist after 2019?
Sorry, i refuse to debate a total fool.
megarational 6 months ago
@megarational That is usually what people say when they have no argument. The current Obamacare plan makes them cover so many things that their costs will sky rocket. That means their premiums will as well. That means fewer people will be able to afford the private insurance so less will buy it reducing the risk pool which will itself cause further increases in rates. it is a death spiral for insurance companies and will put them out of the healthcare insurance business. Of course is the plan.
theciscoshow 6 months ago
@megarational That is usually what people say when they have no argument. The current Obamacare plan makes them cover so many things that their costs will sky rocket. That means their premiums will as well. That means fewer people will be able to afford the private insurance so less will buy it reducing the risk pool which will itself cause further increases in rates. it is a death spiral for insurance companies and will put them out of the healthcare insurance business. Of course is the plan.
theciscoshow 6 months ago
@theciscoshow
I hope you're right that we get to the single payer system but I imagine we won't move along that fast. Isreal's universal health care (subsidized by handouts from American taxpayers) provides them with excellent care. Most advanced countries have universal heatlh care & it works well.Did u like the system of children & adults being unable to get coverage if they pre-existing conditions? How about the cap on how much ins co's would pay. If terminal they can drop you - nice?
onesmartgal 6 months ago
Stunning Health Care Law Update: Medicare's Chief Actuary says the law won't lower costs and some people will lose their current insurance!
Medicare Official Doubts Health Care Law Savings, 1/26/11, Associated Press.
"The landmark legislation probably won't hold costs down, and it won't let everybody keep their current health insurance if they like it, Chief Actuary Richard Foster told the House Budget Committee."
RuflessRecords 1 year ago 4
looks like we have at least one person with some sense up there
sandhilldiva 1 year ago
Hey; I'm not an American, a Brit' but have lived and worked here for years and paid my taxes. My company brings millions of dollars and creates lots of jobs in the local community, so I feel I have some reason to be able to comment. I wonder if Congressman Rogers has ever heard of George Orwell? He makes a specious argument sound like logic. How can he propose that (by his own words) 46 million uninsured Americans are better off here, than those in other countries with universal health care?
awakeamericanow 1 year ago 26
@awakeamericanow He wasn't saying that, he said 254 million people are happy with their health care and don't want to change our health care. Maybe the 46 million would be better off in another country where all of the population has the same bad health care. Why are you living in the United States?
curveball6 11 months ago
@curveball6 In answer to your question 'Why am I living in America?' Because the company I work for, a European company which brings millions of dollars and dozens of jobs into the local community in Arizona needs me here because of my European specific professional qualifications. Given the choice I would go back in a heartbeat. I am sick to my back teeth of hearing the name of your elected president dragged through the mud by the very people he is attempting to help.
awakeamericanow 11 months ago 10
@awakeamericanow So far O'Bomber (Bush 3.0) automatons really love your mindless banter in support of the naked king.
So what you're saying is we should ENJOY having our unalienable Rights replaced with unwanted "privileges"?
Compulsory servitude beyond 3+ months per year most of us presently slave away?
Alms to a foreign, private, for profit corpse-oration that gives us nothing much in return but fiat paper 'spiral down' economics & endless fabricated wars?
THAT'S WHY WE'RE ALL SICK!
GnosticNinja 5 months ago
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I'm not an American. British, live and work here. Love my American colleagues, but totally baffled by the vilification of a president trying to introduce some equity into the health system. Citizens of all the developed countries I know off - except America - regard universal health care, education, law and order, as their birthright. God help anyone in America who falls sick or has an accident without health insurance - or just been let go? tough.
WAKE UP AMERICA........DOH
armstrongariz 1 year ago
Listen to him. He speaks the truth! go to:Her Name is Ms Ann, on YOU TUBE, and let Rev. Manning inform you! It is a must read!
peteykkk 1 year ago
After 2013 you will have no public option if you are not already uninsured. That's in the bill as well. I can only conclude that those who are covered by then will pay massive premiums due to lack of price competition in the free market. This is a huge money monster and we will pay heavily for it in the long run!
72tubecat 1 year ago
@72tubecat
The Military budget of the United States for the 2009 fiscal year was $ 515.4 billion. I think you guys should spend less on warfare and more on healthcare. But hey, what do i know...
Troublesome2008 1 year ago 24
@Troublesome2008 I couldn't agree more. Not sure what you mean by "you guys" though. I'm an American who is concerned about the overall welfare of our country and our individual freedoms.
72tubecat 1 year ago
@72tubecat
Well, you complained about the Health Care Reform being "a huge money monster" and about how Americans "will pay heavily for it in the long run". At the same time The Military Industrial Complex costs you 500 billion every year (and that's the money we know about, the CIA for example has a secret budget which was 45 billion in 2005 alone). I never hear anybody complain about the money that's being spend on war, but when money is being spend on healthcare, people get angry. Funny...
Troublesome2008 1 year ago 24
@Troublesome2008 Well this video is about healthcare, not the MIC.
72tubecat 1 year ago
@72tubecat
I know. In fact, you are right. Never mind me. It's your country, so you people can decide how you want to spend your money. We have our own problems here in Europe, so i shouldn't talk...
Troublesome2008 1 year ago
@Troublesome2008 Those of us who are awake are mad at everything they spend money on which is unconstitutional! The empire and nanny state has to end through cuts or it will end badly otherwise!
1776Rosco 11 months ago 3
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you could use that same rationale for tax policy... only the numbers are not 85/15, for taxes, it's 98/2... Gee Mike, why would 98% of the population want to bow down to two percent? Think about it, hypocrite!
mortgagecommitments 1 year ago
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mortgagecommitments 1 year ago
I think Heath care had a public option. Adapt or perish. That is not to say I want a crule society, to the contrary we had a public option. No one is placing a gun to the heads of People who work jobs without offering heathcare. When the fields need labor and find that barganing for them to have that benefit. The employer faces 2 options raise the cost onto the consumer of diminish the employees wages. Now the cost of heathcare is the root of the issue which is a suply and demand action.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
Mikey: The USA HC Insurance system is NOT working on a good day, fact: you can go bankrupt WITH a private HC plan. And Mikey: do you have a Private Insurance plan or the life time Government run plan? And why saddle business with paying for HC, government can do it much cheaper, like the plan you use everyday until you die.Dont blame USA folks for being mad, You pay for the poor and elderly HC, but none for yourself.
DjWellDressedMan 1 year ago
Here is the circular lodgic of both parties and why they have contempt for the American People. Democrats say tax the middle class/ rich business owners/ corporations republicans say cut spending then dont, then lower the taxes a weak 4 %. Taxing the business will never work the cost is always transifed to the product/ service which translates tax on the consumer. republicans are digging us into a debt crisis which will raise taxes.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
His argument is vaild but like all rep he did not give one example of how he thinks we can fix our health care problem and that is what pisses me off so much about people who appose it. I understand completely why people want gov out of health care but at least contribute ideas because we spend more of our GDP on health care then all of the industrialized countries yet it doesn't cover everybody.....if that isnt a big problem what is?
kinglbkiv 1 year ago
@kinglbkiv Problem is the public thinks that getting a cold requires a trip to the emergency room. Patching up a falty system with a communist styled health care system. The problem is People do not have enough choice to reduce cost Via competition in the insurance industry. Honestly I am young in my 30's with no health problems. Paying 200 a week when I could save that cost and spend 1000 a year on physicals and the occational visit for antibioticsIs more practicle.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
@kinglbkiv How ever I think its should be up to the individual to plan and expect for a serious illness or injury in there life time. Its the irresponcible people who place a 8 dollar pack of smokes over saving for the future well being then thrust them selves into the hospital with not a penny to there names and help me Im a victim of cancer. trillions of dollars to reserch Cancer and no cure? A waist of funds IMOA that could go to keep costs down for People.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
@kinglbkiv there is no authority in the state or federal government's mandate to protect the individuals safty. With that stated, who decides for the individual but the individual. The issue is both coddling the insurance industries with government tax breaks and protection from competition which keeps costs artificially high for all compounding the impact on the gov picking up the tab or poorer people. Reason why saving for injury is not popular is cause inflation and pitiful interest rates.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
@kinglbkiv sorry to bomb you with comments, I hope you dont take offence.just offering convasation and imput. The real issue is the internationalists want America to be inefficent, in areas it useto dominate in like cars, manufacturing, ideas AKA inventing,and likewise medicine. The key to this pan has always been 3 legs 1)dumbing down the schools 2) LEGISLATING 3)over taxing. for the record I carry no water for either repubs or democrats. The issue is Americans now shirk from responcibility.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
@deathmarch5 You seem quiet indecisive idk what your arguing for other than for individuals to have more rights which i have heard be argued in favor and opposition against a public option.
kinglbkiv 1 year ago
@kinglbkiv I think that if we had more insurance companies as opposed to atena, Blue cross blue shield, and several others if all 10 major insurance comanies decide to agree to keep the cost per month at 1500 dollars to cover an individual. That would diminish there clientel lessing Profits. If it wasnt for government paying for 20% of the country 60 million People These business could not have the monopoly they have. The issue has always been profiteering on injury.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
@kinglbkiv The insurance Companies wrote the bill which includes elements of Patriot act, UN gun bans, which was the federal government agreement to pass private legislation in the name of the Publics general welfair. The only reason for the ins comp to write this legislation was to get closer to the Person with the printing press. And guess what the People dont have one. And ultimatly history shows we either pay the debt or get collateralized as chattle. 1933 bankruptcy is an example of future.
deathmarch5 1 year ago
@deathmarch5 amen bro i think we should have just had the public option but the insurance companys payed big bucks to smear it with all the lies. how could people even appose something that is an OPTION meaning for choice and freedom: some people are fuckin stupid
kinglbkiv 1 year ago
i'd bet my truck that most member of congress that are for this healthcare "reform" have stock in pharmacuticals.
TheAngryarchangel 1 year ago
and yet it still went through
cheesejerkys 1 year ago
Zyworski
I've been reading your patient attempts to make some headway with jewelthief. She said "My compassion only goes so far...". Now exactly how far does it go? It doesn't seem to extend to as much as an inch. I have yet to meet a neocon, teabagger or so-called "conservative" who cares about other humans. It's always the case they label those struggling financially as lazy bums, wanting others to take care of them, wasting their money on plasma T.V.'s & other B.S. of that sort.
WELTSORF 1 year ago
@WELTSORF I made a little bit of progress, but only just a little. The world is full of people like Jewel Thief and the only recourse is to vote early and vote often.
Zyworski 1 year ago
Come on America, even Pokemon has a free healthcare system.
NottinghamForest22 1 year ago
finally,a human being with a brain has spoken
500Scrammy 1 year ago 2
I won't disagree with you that this Williams character is getting paid much more than is necessary, and that those funds could have been much better apportioned. I won't even argue on behalf of specific companies. One fat cat (or many for that matter) doesn't make private health care as a bad idea. Those are valid points you raise, and they are real issues that need to be address. I am sure you have many other examples that bolster your side. Lets not forget that the incentive model applies not
andrewh86sd 1 year ago
Who are these billionaires that everyone is talking about? Business owners; do you think they just made billions by playing the lottery? So when you cut these business owner billionaires money by 25%, there going to cut jobs. Your job.
Christopherwilder47 1 year ago