first of all, how is the spirit distiquished from god? it seems to me that god and the spirit are exactly the same, so why not just say god...secondly , the bible says that god was the word and the word was god, which is kind of an unnecessary way of saying thats gods word comes from god..."the word became flesh" .. the word..BECAME flesh...thats an unnecessary way of saying jesus spoke the word of god in the flesh , as a man...he was a man......i see no reason to talk of trinities
The Spirit is God. He is distinguished from God the Father. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God.
You left out one crucial part of the beginning of the book of John. It states that the word was WITH God, and the word was God. It identifies the word as something that had existed eternally alongside God, in addition to being God. This is describing the eternal relationship between God the Father and God the Son. They are both God, and yet distinct from one another.
@StutteringDave i dont agree, if jesus was god, why would he be praying to god and ...oh , nevermind, i dont really want to do the trinity argument... ill just believe god is god and jesus did and said god's will, and you can believe in a trinity, and well all be peachy
Jesus, God's Eternally Begotten Son, was pray to the eternal Father. The trinity consists of one God in three persons, or centers of consciousness. The consciousness of the Son was praying to he consciousness of the Father.
Who wins in a fight? Goku or silver-age Superman? Your answer determines the fate of not only the universe, but of your eternal soul! Choose... but choose wisely.
It seems like Christians are trying to rationalize the contradictary ideas of God being the one true God, and the necessity of their beliefs for Jesus to be a separate entity from God (the concept of Father-God.) From a 'God is omni*' perspective, it's unnecessary for God to split himself like this. From this perspective, I think the only logical Christian response would have to be "he did it for the hell of it," which is just silly and not sensible for God to do.
Look at what mathmexican said. Why would God need to split himself just so he could "die" for our sins. He could just as one entity point His hand from the sky, snap his fingers and say "Hey guys you know that sin thing? We're cool now." But no. He has to split himself into a separate entity and subject himself to what, to God, would be less than a stubbed toe. After all that we STILL have to be so afraid of "sin," we have to symbolically feast on Jesus's flesh and blood... FOR THE HELL OF IT.
"No, he couldn't have because that would make him unjust."
How so? If he were all-loving and all-forgiving, why couldn't he just forgive? And to speak about unjust, He drowned everyone in the whole world except for Noah and his family, even unborn children. What did they do wrong? What about the firstborn in all of Egypt. He killed them to make a point? How is that just? Also if God defines Justice, and can say anything he does is just, he can do what I said and it would be just.
It is the sacrifice of Christ that allows him to be all forgiving. The God of the bible is not one who can allow iniquity to go unpunished.
We are all sinful from birth. If God were to destroy every human being on earth, including children, there is no injustice in it because he would simply be destroying evil.
So why didn't he? Noah wasn't that good of a guy was he? Right after the flood, he got so drunk, he passed out naked. How did God not see that coming? His son Ham walks in and sees him naked, and so slavery is okay? How do you get from "sees a guy naked" to "your children will forever be slaves?" Granted, that was Noah, but that is not a point in His favor. That just means Noah was evil, and God condoned it. He let Noah live and didn't punish him for that act.
One being or three persons? so the yolk cant be considered a god on it's own?
And so god knew he would make man and would punish them and need to give retribution for them and the best he could come up with was splitting himself in to another part and sending that part to 'die' if u can even call it that?....he's smart
and i still have no fuckin idea what the 'holy spirit' is and why it's considered part of the christian god n not just something else.
The egg analogy fails for the reason stated above. The shell, yolk or white isn't an egg separately. If we were to run the analogy further, it would turn out that Jesus is a part of god, Father is a part of god and Holy Spirit is a part of god - all serving different functions and together forming a singularity of god.
An egg isnt 3 different personalities at the same time and 3 different things. Father, Son, and a spirit. Not even remotely similar. But that analogy is better then the water analogy. But still fails for the same exact reasons. Even multiples [that's what split personality sufferers are called. Multiples.] are one personality at a time. Not all at once.
Conjoined triplets are one personality? No, they aren't. They do have a connection though. They can tell how each other feel, and they're bodies normally work together. But at the same time. they aren't the same exact personality, 2 into one at the same exact time. Two conjoined twins or 3, are not 3 personalities at the same exact time.
first of all, how is the spirit distiquished from god? it seems to me that god and the spirit are exactly the same, so why not just say god...secondly , the bible says that god was the word and the word was god, which is kind of an unnecessary way of saying thats gods word comes from god..."the word became flesh" .. the word..BECAME flesh...thats an unnecessary way of saying jesus spoke the word of god in the flesh , as a man...he was a man......i see no reason to talk of trinities
longfootbuddy 1 year ago
The Spirit is God. He is distinguished from God the Father. The Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit are all God.
You left out one crucial part of the beginning of the book of John. It states that the word was WITH God, and the word was God. It identifies the word as something that had existed eternally alongside God, in addition to being God. This is describing the eternal relationship between God the Father and God the Son. They are both God, and yet distinct from one another.
StutteringDave 1 year ago
@StutteringDave i dont agree, if jesus was god, why would he be praying to god and ...oh , nevermind, i dont really want to do the trinity argument... ill just believe god is god and jesus did and said god's will, and you can believe in a trinity, and well all be peachy
longfootbuddy 1 year ago
@longfootbuddy
Jesus, God's Eternally Begotten Son, was pray to the eternal Father. The trinity consists of one God in three persons, or centers of consciousness. The consciousness of the Son was praying to he consciousness of the Father.
StutteringDave 1 year ago
lOL Your House jULY 27 2008 Still Looks The Same July 9th 2009 Lol Even the Stand Still In The Exact Same Spot. :P
swantonbomber3 2 years ago
Who wins in a fight? Goku or silver-age Superman? Your answer determines the fate of not only the universe, but of your eternal soul! Choose... but choose wisely.
smpolymen 2 years ago
@sapperbloggs
"I don't try to make sense of the trinity"
That is great, lets not put any thought into it and reject it, just like creationists often do with evolution.
"Interesting to those who are interested, but completely untestable and therefore irrelevant."
How the heck is it irrelevant because it is untestable? How absurd. With that reasoning we can throw out philosophy.
MagicalPancakeMix 2 years ago
That's an excellent book!
ukchristian28 2 years ago
It seems like Christians are trying to rationalize the contradictary ideas of God being the one true God, and the necessity of their beliefs for Jesus to be a separate entity from God (the concept of Father-God.) From a 'God is omni*' perspective, it's unnecessary for God to split himself like this. From this perspective, I think the only logical Christian response would have to be "he did it for the hell of it," which is just silly and not sensible for God to do.
smpolymen 2 years ago
I have more complicated beliefs about the trinity than "he did it for the hell of it".
You should try to understand the trinity more than mindlessly saying it is contradictory.
MagicalPancakeMix 2 years ago
Look at what mathmexican said. Why would God need to split himself just so he could "die" for our sins. He could just as one entity point His hand from the sky, snap his fingers and say "Hey guys you know that sin thing? We're cool now." But no. He has to split himself into a separate entity and subject himself to what, to God, would be less than a stubbed toe. After all that we STILL have to be so afraid of "sin," we have to symbolically feast on Jesus's flesh and blood... FOR THE HELL OF IT.
smpolymen 2 years ago
God did not "split" himself. He has eternally existed in three persons. Jesus was still a part of the trinity before he was incarnated as a human.
"He could just as one entity point His hand from the sky, snap his fingers and say "Hey guys you know that sin thing? We're cool now."
No, he couldn't have because that would make him unjust. This is basic theology. Know something about Christianity if you are going to criticize it.
StutteringDave 2 years ago
"No, he couldn't have because that would make him unjust."
How so? If he were all-loving and all-forgiving, why couldn't he just forgive? And to speak about unjust, He drowned everyone in the whole world except for Noah and his family, even unborn children. What did they do wrong? What about the firstborn in all of Egypt. He killed them to make a point? How is that just? Also if God defines Justice, and can say anything he does is just, he can do what I said and it would be just.
smpolymen 2 years ago
It is the sacrifice of Christ that allows him to be all forgiving. The God of the bible is not one who can allow iniquity to go unpunished.
We are all sinful from birth. If God were to destroy every human being on earth, including children, there is no injustice in it because he would simply be destroying evil.
StutteringDave 2 years ago
"If God were to...destroying evil."
So why didn't he? Noah wasn't that good of a guy was he? Right after the flood, he got so drunk, he passed out naked. How did God not see that coming? His son Ham walks in and sees him naked, and so slavery is okay? How do you get from "sees a guy naked" to "your children will forever be slaves?" Granted, that was Noah, but that is not a point in His favor. That just means Noah was evil, and God condoned it. He let Noah live and didn't punish him for that act.
smpolymen 2 years ago
Well done.
Epydemic2020 2 years ago
One being or three persons? so the yolk cant be considered a god on it's own?
And so god knew he would make man and would punish them and need to give retribution for them and the best he could come up with was splitting himself in to another part and sending that part to 'die' if u can even call it that?....he's smart
and i still have no fuckin idea what the 'holy spirit' is and why it's considered part of the christian god n not just something else.
mathmexican4234 2 years ago
Lame....
SuperDoomandgloom 2 years ago
Curse the annoying sound!
chert95 2 years ago
But the shell is not the egg ;-)
Pumbaelo 2 years ago
The egg analogy fails for the reason stated above. The shell, yolk or white isn't an egg separately. If we were to run the analogy further, it would turn out that Jesus is a part of god, Father is a part of god and Holy Spirit is a part of god - all serving different functions and together forming a singularity of god.
QueryTruth 2 years ago
isn't it easier and quicker to say the trinity is the manifestation(s) on the 'god' of christianity.
philthy122 2 years ago
That makes sense...still a bit confusing though...but makes sense =)
darrel122 2 years ago
Great video Dave, 5/5
see you in mmm, like 40 days..?
TheIrrationalAtheist 2 years ago
I'm sorry, that high pitched whine makes it too hard to follow this video with my audio sensitivity.
JRChadwick 2 years ago
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kingkongpingpongdong 2 years ago
I don't understand the point of this video?
Please, am all ears. But don't think for a moment that I will understand by mere belief.
kingkongpingpongdong 2 years ago
An egg isnt 3 different personalities at the same time and 3 different things. Father, Son, and a spirit. Not even remotely similar. But that analogy is better then the water analogy. But still fails for the same exact reasons. Even multiples [that's what split personality sufferers are called. Multiples.] are one personality at a time. Not all at once.
jay666KJ 2 years ago
Maybe conjoined triplets would be an apt analogy.
NermalsChannel 2 years ago
Conjoined triplets are one personality? No, they aren't. They do have a connection though. They can tell how each other feel, and they're bodies normally work together. But at the same time. they aren't the same exact personality, 2 into one at the same exact time. Two conjoined twins or 3, are not 3 personalities at the same exact time.
jay666KJ 2 years ago
"Conjoined triplets are one personality? No, they aren't."
Wasn't saying they are.
Doesn't really matter though. Dave is the one defending the idea of a trinity. I'm not convinced he's explained it without contradiction.
NermalsChannel 2 years ago