Just watched the entire production. Raimondi a brilliantly malevolent (and beautifully sung) Scarpia. (He does malevolent pretty nicely, doesn't he? - those avian eyes, that tight grimace...fabulous.)
eh,@blichilde,dove sono i commenti di @abracadabranque?ma come ti permetti di far sperire i suoi commenti?anche i miei non ci sono piu!soltanto Tu leggi i miei commenti!poveretta!fanatica!
A singing actor if ever there was one. Absolutely perfect for the role.He must rank with the best Scarpia's of all time,and there were many. I think the maestro would approve.
Qua l'ultima parola hanno i tecnici del suono,tutto é falso,pornografico!
La prima cosa che hai visto con Raimondi?Questo vuol dire che non hai sentita mai Raimondi dal vivo?Quando Raimondi canterá á Parigi ti inviteró e cosi potrai vedrlo dal vivo.Nella vita la delusione fa parte del amore...
@bodiloto Mi spiace... Raimondi l'ho già visto dal vivo. A dicembre, proprio in questo ruolo, a Firenze. La voce, ahimè, non è più questa... Ma l'attore c'è, e c'è tutto! E poi è un uomo carinissimo... Mi spiace, ma l'amo ancora di più XD
@lucyllebalth80 2 e per questa ragione che ama anche Domingo...lei e una vera donna!
ahahahahahahahahah
E,in questa situazione tragica per me / sono troppo vecchio e non posso lottare contro il suo amore,cioè 2 giganti della lirica moderna Raimondi e Domingo/ voglio salutarla,lei e una donna fortunata,brava!
E poi tutti e due sono più ricchi di me/hanno soldi di più/... mi sento da solo...ahahahahahahahah
@bodiloto I soldi sono un elemento insignificante, credimi... Dato che nessuno dei due mi ha mai dato neanche mezzo euro! Purtroppo, ahimè, l'amore è cieco, si sà... Mi spiace, ma rimango della mia idea. Fattene una ragione XD
Stelle, che sento! Abracadabranque disapprova i miei gusti! Come potrò sopravvivere all'onta? Criticata da un sublime intenditore nonché anima sensibile e raffinata?
Quasi quasi, in preda alla disperazione, io men vado in un ritiro a finir la vita mia.
Tu n'as même pas le courage de t'adresser à moi directement,et tu traînes tes sarcasmes comme une maladie honteuse:J'aurais presque pitié de ta faiblesse, si elle n'était méchanceté!
Si tu parles de moi désormais,fais- le moi savoir:En démocratie,on appelle celà un droit de réponse,sinon, c'est de la diffamation!
@abracadabranque caro,questa fanatica@blichilde insulta anche lei!questa é una fanatica che non si ferma mai!da 2 anni insulta gente innocente come lei!ci vuole pazienza e coraggio!
@blichilde tu non hai gusti,sei sorda e fanatica e perversa!e dalla lirica non capisci nulla! e nel ospedale psichiatrico che devi andare,non in un ritiro!poveretta!
@blichilde che senti?i tuoi gusti?hihihihihihihihihihihihi!non puoi sentire,sei sorda e non hái un'anima pura! oggi e il mio compleanno,volevo invitarti ma tra miei amici non c'é posto di persone come te!
verránno piu di 200 amici,ti auguro di arrivare come me a 86 anni e di cantare proprio come me!oggi canteró per i miei amici...canto ancora, e tu?leggendo i tuoi commenti arrivo alla conclusione che hai una bruttissima voce...che ne pensi,e giusto il mio presentimento?ciao.
@ranigema Heureux de rencontrer âme qui vive au milieu de ces zombis!J'espère ne pas avoir à critiquer tes choix, car je n'ai égard pour personne,pas même pour mes amis,ceux-là même qui acceptent ma sincérité et dont tu fais partie,dans ce cas!
Che peccato che la generazione attuale non abbia potuto godere di tanti immensi artisti ma, tutto si rapporta al valore della presente generazione, si dice che l'umanità migliora sempre, questo non è vero nella sublime lirica, questi cantanti oggi non esistono più, il migliore è Nucci che senza nulla togliere al Maestro non è paragonabile ai grandi del passato, speriamo per il futuro altrimenti ci dovremo contentare dei DVD rimasterizzati e di youtube.
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@mauroangelucci che peccato?no,grazie alla generazione attuale che la lirica e morta!la presente generazione non conosce e sopratutto non si interessa della lirica!é finita per sempre!basta leggere i commenti!un dilettante come raimondi é considerato come un genio!viva la mediocritá e viva il suo Re!
@ranigema : io, tutta sincerità, mi chiedo come sia stato possibile catalogare R. Raimondi come basso. Dal vivo, quando canta " Tosca " ( e sto parlando di un ruolo BARITONALE come Scarpia ), i gravi non si sentono. Questo prova che Raimondi non è né un basso né, tanto meno, un basso-baritono. Raimondi è, a pieno titolo, un baritono, e neanche un baritono drammatico ( Guelfi, Bastianini e Popov avevano voci molto, molto più scure della sua e, vocalmente, lo avrebbero SBRANATO VIVO ). CIAO !!!
@mauroangelucci belissimo comento!bravo,ma in fondo penso che il pubblico moderno non ha la preparazione e non ama la lirica come la amava il pubblico degli anni 50! e poi per me la vera lirica non esiste piu!
dove sono i grandi direttori d'orchestra?
dove é l'orchestra Verdiano? e lo stile?
dove é l'orchestra Pucciniano?e lo stile?
dove é l'orchestra Wagneriano?e lo stile?
non esistono piu!
i grandi direttori dei teatri dove sono?
in Italia per i giovani cantanti lirici non c'é lavoro!
Guys please chill this is about music, not religion! Talk to the dude who set it up like that, but a youtube discussion is gonna lead nowhere, so give it a rest and enjoy wonderful Puccini instead!
About voice he is not my favorite, but about actuation Rugero Raimondi is for me the greattest Scarpia, that i believe. He makes owns the Scarpia´s role. The obsession about Tosca , dessire, even he looks unsane! Genius.
Vocalmente no es mi favorito, pero en cuanto a la actuación creo que Ruggero Raimondi es el mejor Scarpia que he vísto! El hace suyo el papel. La obsesión por Tosca, la mirada, el deseo, hasta parece que en verdad está mal de la mente! Simplemente genial.
From an Italian-music hater: beautiful cinematic production and splendid singing on the part of Ruggero Raimondi!! To those who prefer Tito Gobbi when choosing between the two (having seen a video of him in the same rôle of Scarpia): if you want more of a ham & more obvious actor, then Gobbi is more the man; if you want subtlety, a more convincing Scarpia as a human being, & all the notes properly sung, then Raimondi wins (as he does with me, much as I prefer him in Borís or Arkël by far!!).
The only trouble with this segment is the apparent staging of the "Te Deum" Mass as being OUTSIDE the church - the clergy et al are processing out of the church instead of to the altar (surely wrong!!!)!! Presumably that's because the film-making crew preferred to use the main sanctuary in itself as the fictitious "Attavanti Chapel", even if the actual church of Sant' Andrea della Valle {St. Andrew of the Valley} is otherwise the genuine setting for Act I of this silly excuse for an opera.
Now, before people write me off as a bigot or Italy-hater (actually their cuisine is excellent): it's especially Italian opera that I loathe. Italian music is OK until the death of Girolamo Frescobaldi (1643), and I must grudgingly say that Respighi's stuff is good; otherwise, everything post-1643 leaves me cold at best, furious at worst. [Why do I then review it occasionally? Simply so as to give myself the chance to re-evaluate my opinions and not be closed-minded...]
@saltovitale881: No, I'm not Catholic (though I have much sympathy for the Roman Church). However, when a Mass is being celebrated, isn't it done at an altar? Also, granted that a Te Deum service in the Anglican manner can be without Communion, isn't such usually celebrated WITH a Mass in the Roman Church? Thus, it seems to me that - unless the service is being held outdoors - that the procession should go TO the altar.
I honestly welcome your input on this matter. Thank you in advance!
Just in case we're not communicating on the same wavelength: I'm presuming here that the Te Deum service is not using bread and wine held over from the Reserved Sacrament from another service (isn't that what the Ostensorium is supposed to hold in such a case, taking your words literally?), which would then be able to be distributed - if I recall correctly - without going through the actual part of the Mass where previously-unconsecrated elements are consecrated.
@LJBSasha Well the Eucharistic Benediction is not in the Mass. In the movie the priest ( a cardinal? he's got the Mitre so he's at least a bishop) holds an Ostensorium. The Ostensorium is never used in the Mass.
So I can positively say that it is not a Mass, that we see in Tosca. It seems the procession of the Corpus Domini, when the bishop holds the Blessed Sacrament and go out the Church, to the street.
The procession goes to the altar only when it ends.
@saltovitale881: Thank you so very much! So, in other words the Te Deum service is NOT part of a Mass, but can include a procession of the Sacred Host in the Ostensorium. [While I knew that in the Anglican manner the Te Deum can be either a separate service OR combined with Morning-Prayer Divine Office (Matins) and/or Communion (Mass), I didn't know that the same holds for the Roman Church. My impression was that there, most services would include a Mass.]
Still trying to wrestle down some confusion: in other words the Procession of the Consecrated Host (if I remember that being the term for the Blessed Body of Our Lord) not only is never part of a Mass, at the end of any such Procession (including when a Te Deum is celebrated), the Host (Blessed Sacrament), on arrival at the altar, is then put back in the Tabernacle (where the Reserved Sacrament is normally kept), while certain prayers are said/sung and the celebrant kneels in front of it.
Finally, saltovitale881, the celebrant in that opera's First Act is called a "cardinal" in the work's full-score ("partitura" in Italian, in case that's who you are).
One last point, just that I be fully sure of this: it's in other words not necessary to hold a non-Eucharistic service (one that's not a Mass) at an altar? Have I got this correct? In other words in this scene, a procession including the Host in the Ostensorium can start while facing away from an altar as happens in this film?
Thanks for your patience with me. [Io Loro ringrazio per la vostra pazienza - sperò che non sono troppo sbagli nel mio italiano?]
@LJBSasha The "Te, Deum" is an Hymn. We thank God for something. It is sung in December, 31 for the passed year (and for the new). In Visconti's Gattopardo the people sing the "Te, Deum" in the Church when the Prince and his family arrive to Donnafugata. In Tosca the Te Deum is sung to thank God for the Victory against Napoleon (the sacristan says it). The presence of the Blessed Sacrament, maybe it's a director choice. Notice that the Ostensorium is empty (I think for respect).
@saltovitale881: sorry but I'm puzzled about your pointing out that the Ostensorium is empty as an apparent gesture of respect - seems somewhat contradictory when you earlier said that the idea of the Procession of the Host is to bring Christ "away from the altar, to bless the people." Isn't then the idea of an empty Ostensorium missing out on that point?
[Please forgive me if this offends you in the least - know that I'm not at all anti-Catholic and am honestly trying to understand.]
@saltovitale881: you're right about the "Te Deum" being a hymn of thanksgiving and praise, and that in this case it's used relative to the purported victory at San Giuliano over Napoléon (at Marengo, the French that turn the defeat into victory!). Regarding the Blessed Sacrament's presence: I'm not so sure if it's a director's choice based on the full-score of the opera (which one can see in PDF format on IMSLP {International Music Score Library Project}) and its directions.
@saltovitale881: How right you are about "political correctness" choking me - it's Communism all over again!!!
Yes, you're right about the Ostensorium being best empty under such circumstances, given that it wasn't a real Cardinal or at least bishop displaying it in all probability - if it was, it would have added that much more authenticity (in my opinion).
Much to learn yet (I don't know Visconti's "Gattopardo" - when I get into literature, it will be on my reading list) - thank you!!
A wonderful production. The other characters in the opera are wimp-like compared to the power and brutality of Scarpia brilliantly portrayed here. I've never understood why a high-headed woman like Tosca didn't just dump the weak artist and sleep with Scarpia. She was hardly the retiring sort. I think someone once wrote a short story of them waking up the next morning, having spent a pleasant night and she had completely forgotten the artist. Can anyone help me out with the author?
Because 1) Cavaradossi is not weak nor coward: in fact, he's very brave helping Angelotti while risking his own head; nevermind defying Scarpia in the middle of the torture session. 2) Despite the superb portrayal maestro Raimondi gives us here, Scarpia is a murderer, a coward that abuses his power and position so as to get what he wants, not sparing a thought on who he is sending to the gallows, which family he is tearing apart, what sacred ground he is defiling, etc.
That's why Tosca, who was raised by nuns in the original play, and who's horrified by what she is forced to do in order to save her lover, always resisted Scarpia's advances on her, and ultimately killed him.
Impressive in every aspect, this one-shot act is marvelous. The evil and anger, frustration and lust in Scarpia's sight is unparalleled, and camera work is ourtstanding.
Scarpia's profound hypocrisy/blasphemy is horrific. I am shaken every time I see this video. Bravo, Raimondi! You brought Scarpia to life, and to death.
@TheAdmiringFool Well put. It's simply amazing the blending of his evil thinkings in loud voice with the pious hymn sung by the chorus. But isn't true the devil enters the church sometimes? This baritone aria is one of my faves. And Raimondi is a perfect Scarpia.
Ah, il est là, il est là, il est là, mon Dieu (apud Donizetti)! Un des rares et vrais Scarpia qui ont parcouru ce monde... Oui, Domingo a eu un temps dur pour nous convaincre qu'il était l'héros contre ce superbe Scarpia. Callas était l'actrice suprême mais quand à la voix il y a eu de meilleures. Gobbi était brave aussi mais Raimondi ici est mieux. Pour moi, au moins.
love the tosca so much,....when i saw it in Quantum of Solace i got teary......the best opera and they put it in james bond doesnt get any better.....always rewind the scene
Oui, mais à ce point dans l'opéra on ne sait cela (les nouvelles arrivent dans l'acte deuxième): après tout, la bataille initialement était gagné par le Maréchal autrichien Melas. Napoléon cependant a continué la bataille (a San Giuliano?) et finalement la victoire était la sienne - Melas a du fuire...
Interesting. He took the hem of the Bishops Vestment and kissed it. That is a custom in the Orthodox Church . At the great entrance during the liturgyas the Priest passes with the Chalice and the Diskarion and the faithfull mostly women and some men will bow and kiss his vestment.
A wonderful discrepancy: Scarpia hardly disguising his words plenty of malice and at the same time a chorus singing a hymn in praise of God. A demon among angels. Beautiful aria. Great opera.
acla9000...re: your wonderful discrepancy; I think the dynamics of this scene reverberate in Francis Ford Coppola's Godfather as the murders are undertaken while the child is baptized in the church.
Yes, the analogy is the same. In fact, the Godfather is scripted like an opera. I have used this same analogy before in describing this scene in Tosca. This is the real conflict that permeates the scene, a sacred moment that is juxtaposed against the evil Scarpia is plotting.
Yes, it is very good.Especially in third act, in scene with Amneris .( "Vieni d,Iside al tempio.")He make very even line of singing. I went in Grande teatro , when Aida performed them on stage and i dislike russian singer, which performed Ramfis , because he had dim timbre and awful pronunciation. But, unfortunately, a lot of russian singers ( local stars) can,t sing well and elegantly.But Raimondi can do it, i am sure.-)
Cavaradossi dice ancora: " Scarpia scellerato" (atto primo).Ma Raimondi e molto intellegente Scarpia, perche lui non e malvagio. Se un uom e bello, lui non posso esser scellerato.Bellezza del corpo supporre bellezza del anima, io penso.
P.S. A proposito, mi chiama Elisabetta( in vita)
Suvvia,Leonora-Elisabetta.If you are rally only 16,remember that Raimondi is 50 years older than you...I too think that he's handsome,but I'm not 16,alas.
And unfortunately it isn't true that a beautiful person has necessarily a beautiful soul! (I don't know Raimondi's personality,I must say).
I love this performance! So glad I found it here. Raimondi is definitely my favorite Scarpia.
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ErolDirk 2 weeks ago
Stephen V, I choose Scarpia!!!!! ( Swooning here!)
Catwink41 2 months ago
BRAVO BRAVO BRAVO!!!!!!!(Standing up on chair cheering!!!)
Catwink41 2 months ago
How much more pipeline do we neet?
Valeriushansson2 3 months ago
A performance of Tosca from Verona today at Classica.HD...:)
Hamburg/Germany, October 6, 2011
MrChannel14 3 months ago 2
The best Scarpia he just exudes menace in this scene.
Sends chills down my spine
MyMumford 4 months ago 2
please make this available to mobile users!!
MikeBury24 4 months ago
Just watched the entire production. Raimondi a brilliantly malevolent (and beautifully sung) Scarpia. (He does malevolent pretty nicely, doesn't he? - those avian eyes, that tight grimace...fabulous.)
thelex001 4 months ago 2
Brilliant!!! Molto bene.
peter5992 5 months ago
bello bravi orchestra e coro....
e epr questo il coro è stato soppresso e anche orchestra per pagare quei 4 deficenti in rai...
complimenti.....ai dirigenti
gloved333 6 months ago
I think the Swiss Guard-like costumes do not match the era of Scarpia (around 1800).
Boerenfox 6 months ago
Ogni volta che lo guardo, mi fa paura. Grande Ruggero!!!
dapontemozart1989 7 months ago
JUST WOW!
xoio 7 months ago
tutti bravi a criticare: Questo raimondi ha un espressività grandiosa !!!
tizianasaunig 7 months ago in playlist domigo tosca
è tutto in mano alle FOTTUTE agenzie ormai.
è una catena di montaggio.
TheMrBlackFloyd 8 months ago 10
io l'ho sentito in autunno a Firenze! GRANDE!!!
MrPegasus1980 9 months ago
Sarà pure cinema, ma lo Scarpia di Raimondi, a tutt'oggi, pochi lo battono. Lo hai mai sentito dal vivo a teatro? Vai e poi mi dici
Igrainedatintagel 11 months ago
@Igrainedatintagel sono daccordo con te
carmelo3782 11 months ago
@Igrainedatintagel si,ho visto una centinaia di spettacoli con Raimondi.
In due anni ho visto più di 300 recite dal vivo.
Cosi dal 1958...e tu?
Nella mia vita avevo visto più di 20 baritoni che cantavano Scarpia.
Dal vivo per me i migliori Scarpia erano: Popov,Taddei,Petroff,Guelfi...
Sei contento dalla mia risposta?
bodiloto 9 months ago
I don't mean to detract from the beauty of this video....but I have to point out Pee Wee Herman at 2:52
tiger429 11 months ago 3
Call the police...this guy needs to be stopped
Operaddict 11 months ago
@Operaddict he IS the police
this is why people shouldn't be in charge of things
hjt091 11 months ago
Great aria and performance. Th e text of this aria is very sexual and creepy, no wonder Tosca was so shocking when the opera was first performed.
malletgirl02 1 year ago
raimondi nel ruolo di scarpia secondo me è impareggiabile!!
alicegardenghi 1 year ago 2
@alicegardenghi
sono accordo con te
carmelo3782 11 months ago
Hai mai visto il suo Don Giovanni? o Leporello? Grande attore e basso-baritone! RAVA
paloaltodad 1 year ago
@paloaltodad Don Giovanni e' Mozart. Puccini (in particolare Scarpia) e' TUTTA un altra cosa.
TheBaronescarpia 1 year ago
@TheBaronescarpia cioé?Raimondi -Scarpia?hihihihihihihihihihihihihi
Raimondi- Don Giovanni?hihihihihihihihihihihihi
ragazzi voi siete s o r d i!
ma avete sentito dal vivo Don Giovanni di Siepi,Ghiaurov?non!
avete sentito Scarpia di Taddei,Bastianini,Popov,Petroff,Guelfi,Reali etc.ancora meno...
ma la vostra conversazione non hà nessun senso!
Raimondi é un pessimo prodotto italiano.
Raimondi- basso?hihihihihihihihihi
Raimondi-baritono?hihihihihihihihi
@Barone,parla mi di Te,che cosa canti?
ranigema 1 year ago
@TheBaronescarpia raimondi e un o r r e n d o Scarpia.
voce,recitazione o r r e n d o!
mondo sordo!
ranigema 1 year ago
Hai mai visto il tuo Don Giovanni? o Leporello? grande attore e tenore!
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Lisa82ification 1 year ago
So beautiful! Bravo!
Lisa82ification 1 year ago
eh,@blichilde,dove sono i commenti di @abracadabranque?ma come ti permetti di far sperire i suoi commenti?anche i miei non ci sono piu!soltanto Tu leggi i miei commenti!poveretta!fanatica!
ranigema 1 year ago 4
A singing actor if ever there was one. Absolutely perfect for the role.He must rank with the best Scarpia's of all time,and there were many. I think the maestro would approve.
opera888able 1 year ago
scarpia is my favourite character from "tosca" and this aria and the final is awesome!!
PlaneswalkerAjani 1 year ago
La prima cosa che ho visto con Ruggy... E fu COLPO DI FULMINE!!!!!!!
lucyllebalth80 1 year ago
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@lucyllebalth80 Cara Lucy ma questo non é lirica,é cinema!
Qua l'ultima parola hanno i tecnici del suono,tutto é falso,pornografico!
La prima cosa che hai visto con Raimondi?Questo vuol dire che non hai sentita mai Raimondi dal vivo?Quando Raimondi canterá á Parigi ti inviteró e cosi potrai vedrlo dal vivo.Nella vita la delusione fa parte del amore...
Dicevi che sei innamorata di Domingo!
Questa volta dici : fu COLPO DI FULMINE!!!!!!!!
E a me mi parli che sono il tuo amore?
?___________?
bodiloto 1 year ago 21
@bodiloto QUESTO PRIMO ATTO è FANTASTICO .LA MUSICA TI COINVOLGE .IL FINALE è BELLISSIMO!!!!
carmelo3782 1 year ago
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bodiloto 1 year ago
@carmelo3782 Caro @carmelo3782 capisco bene il tuo gusto raffinato nella materia.
Voglio farti una domanda con simpatia,hai sentito la voce di Raimondi dal vivo?
Ragazzi perche non andate à teatro e non ascoltate questo artista dal vivo?
Cosi potete apprezzare meglio la sua voce fresca,stonata...
Ah,ragazzi a volte Raimondi comincia a gridare,non dovete avere paura,per Raimondi urlare e sinonimo a
"cantare"...
bodiloto 11 months ago
@bodiloto Mi spiace... Raimondi l'ho già visto dal vivo. A dicembre, proprio in questo ruolo, a Firenze. La voce, ahimè, non è più questa... Ma l'attore c'è, e c'è tutto! E poi è un uomo carinissimo... Mi spiace, ma l'amo ancora di più XD
lucyllebalth80 8 months ago
@lucyllebalth80 lei e una vera donna,brava!
bodiloto 8 months ago
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bodiloto 8 months ago
@lucyllebalth80 2 e per questa ragione che ama anche Domingo...lei e una vera donna!
ahahahahahahahahah
E,in questa situazione tragica per me / sono troppo vecchio e non posso lottare contro il suo amore,cioè 2 giganti della lirica moderna Raimondi e Domingo/ voglio salutarla,lei e una donna fortunata,brava!
E poi tutti e due sono più ricchi di me/hanno soldi di più/... mi sento da solo...ahahahahahahahah
Buona notte.
bodiloto 8 months ago
@bodiloto I soldi sono un elemento insignificante, credimi... Dato che nessuno dei due mi ha mai dato neanche mezzo euro! Purtroppo, ahimè, l'amore è cieco, si sà... Mi spiace, ma rimango della mia idea. Fattene una ragione XD
lucyllebalth80 8 months ago
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bodiloto 8 months ago
@lucyllebalth80 cara,trova ti un giovane ragazzo,un vero uomo!
Tu sei giovane non ti meritano queste mummie...ahahahahahahahahah
Ciao.
bodiloto 8 months ago 2
Stelle, che sento! Abracadabranque disapprova i miei gusti! Come potrò sopravvivere all'onta? Criticata da un sublime intenditore nonché anima sensibile e raffinata?
Quasi quasi, in preda alla disperazione, io men vado in un ritiro a finir la vita mia.
blichilde 1 year ago
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@blichilde é l'ora vai! ti fara bene vedrai che ti sentirai meglio!
sei tu che hai fatto sparire i commenti di @abracadabranque perche sei fanatica!
poveretta.
ranigema 1 year ago
@blichilde
Tu n'as même pas le courage de t'adresser à moi directement,et tu traînes tes sarcasmes comme une maladie honteuse:J'aurais presque pitié de ta faiblesse, si elle n'était méchanceté!
Si tu parles de moi désormais,fais- le moi savoir:En démocratie,on appelle celà un droit de réponse,sinon, c'est de la diffamation!
abracadabranque 1 year ago
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@abracadabranque questa @blichilde si fa pagare da Raimondi,per questa ragione si permette d'insultare lei,e tantissime persone come lei!
durante un anno 50 persone hanno scritto che @blichilde é 'tiziana' e l'hanno detto : vafan...piu di 50 youtubers!
e una pazza che si serve da YT per offendere la gente innocente e simpatica!
io non sono impressionata da questa pazza fanatica,e una malata,ci vuole pieta per questa povera donna! ci vuole pazienza...coraggio caro!
ranigema 1 year ago
@ranigema Joyeux printemps!
abracadabranque 1 year ago
@abracadabranque merci!
ranigema 1 year ago
@abracadabranque caro,questa fanatica@blichilde insulta anche lei!questa é una fanatica che non si ferma mai!da 2 anni insulta gente innocente come lei!ci vuole pazienza e coraggio!
ranigema 1 year ago
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@blichilde tu non hai gusti,sei sorda e fanatica e perversa!e dalla lirica non capisci nulla! e nel ospedale psichiatrico che devi andare,non in un ritiro!poveretta!
ranigema 1 year ago
@blichilde che senti?i tuoi gusti?hihihihihihihihihihihihi!non puoi sentire,sei sorda e non hái un'anima pura! oggi e il mio compleanno,volevo invitarti ma tra miei amici non c'é posto di persone come te!
verránno piu di 200 amici,ti auguro di arrivare come me a 86 anni e di cantare proprio come me!oggi canteró per i miei amici...canto ancora, e tu?leggendo i tuoi commenti arrivo alla conclusione che hai una bruttissima voce...che ne pensi,e giusto il mio presentimento?ciao.
ranigema 1 year ago
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Le personnage est puant à souhait,la voix est au diapason:laide et antipathique!
Sa meilleure composition!
abracadabranque 1 year ago
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@abracadabranque bravo,come sei carino!
anch'io la penso come te!
ranigema 1 year ago
@ranigema Heureux de rencontrer âme qui vive au milieu de ces zombis!J'espère ne pas avoir à critiquer tes choix, car je n'ai égard pour personne,pas même pour mes amis,ceux-là même qui acceptent ma sincérité et dont tu fais partie,dans ce cas!
abracadabranque 1 year ago
Che peccato che la generazione attuale non abbia potuto godere di tanti immensi artisti ma, tutto si rapporta al valore della presente generazione, si dice che l'umanità migliora sempre, questo non è vero nella sublime lirica, questi cantanti oggi non esistono più, il migliore è Nucci che senza nulla togliere al Maestro non è paragonabile ai grandi del passato, speriamo per il futuro altrimenti ci dovremo contentare dei DVD rimasterizzati e di youtube.
mauroangelucci 1 year ago
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@mauroangelucci che peccato?no,grazie alla generazione attuale che la lirica e morta!la presente generazione non conosce e sopratutto non si interessa della lirica!é finita per sempre!basta leggere i commenti!un dilettante come raimondi é considerato come un genio!viva la mediocritá e viva il suo Re!
ranigema 1 year ago
@ranigema : io, tutta sincerità, mi chiedo come sia stato possibile catalogare R. Raimondi come basso. Dal vivo, quando canta " Tosca " ( e sto parlando di un ruolo BARITONALE come Scarpia ), i gravi non si sentono. Questo prova che Raimondi non è né un basso né, tanto meno, un basso-baritono. Raimondi è, a pieno titolo, un baritono, e neanche un baritono drammatico ( Guelfi, Bastianini e Popov avevano voci molto, molto più scure della sua e, vocalmente, lo avrebbero SBRANATO VIVO ). CIAO !!!
31122051 1 year ago
@31122051 analisi perfetta,bravo!
ranigema 1 year ago
@31122051 Agreed, why are so many people are convinced this guy is a bass is beyond me, he is "a pieno titolo" a baritone and should be proud of it.
saintsaens21 1 year ago
@mauroangelucci belissimo comento!bravo,ma in fondo penso che il pubblico moderno non ha la preparazione e non ama la lirica come la amava il pubblico degli anni 50! e poi per me la vera lirica non esiste piu!
dove sono i grandi direttori d'orchestra?
dove é l'orchestra Verdiano? e lo stile?
dove é l'orchestra Pucciniano?e lo stile?
dove é l'orchestra Wagneriano?e lo stile?
non esistono piu!
i grandi direttori dei teatri dove sono?
in Italia per i giovani cantanti lirici non c'é lavoro!
ranigema 1 year ago 14
Guys please chill this is about music, not religion! Talk to the dude who set it up like that, but a youtube discussion is gonna lead nowhere, so give it a rest and enjoy wonderful Puccini instead!
84Martin 1 year ago
τι συγκλονιστικη σκηνη τι συγκλονιστικη φωνη!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mariacelloful 1 year ago
Hátborzongató ,
ophunka 1 year ago
About voice he is not my favorite, but about actuation Rugero Raimondi is for me the greattest Scarpia, that i believe. He makes owns the Scarpia´s role. The obsession about Tosca , dessire, even he looks unsane! Genius.
Gabofeles 1 year ago
Vocalmente no es mi favorito, pero en cuanto a la actuación creo que Ruggero Raimondi es el mejor Scarpia que he vísto! El hace suyo el papel. La obsesión por Tosca, la mirada, el deseo, hasta parece que en verdad está mal de la mente! Simplemente genial.
Gabofeles 1 year ago
From an Italian-music hater: beautiful cinematic production and splendid singing on the part of Ruggero Raimondi!! To those who prefer Tito Gobbi when choosing between the two (having seen a video of him in the same rôle of Scarpia): if you want more of a ham & more obvious actor, then Gobbi is more the man; if you want subtlety, a more convincing Scarpia as a human being, & all the notes properly sung, then Raimondi wins (as he does with me, much as I prefer him in Borís or Arkël by far!!).
LJBSasha 1 year ago
The only trouble with this segment is the apparent staging of the "Te Deum" Mass as being OUTSIDE the church - the clergy et al are processing out of the church instead of to the altar (surely wrong!!!)!! Presumably that's because the film-making crew preferred to use the main sanctuary in itself as the fictitious "Attavanti Chapel", even if the actual church of Sant' Andrea della Valle {St. Andrew of the Valley} is otherwise the genuine setting for Act I of this silly excuse for an opera.
LJBSasha 1 year ago
Now, before people write me off as a bigot or Italy-hater (actually their cuisine is excellent): it's especially Italian opera that I loathe. Italian music is OK until the death of Girolamo Frescobaldi (1643), and I must grudgingly say that Respighi's stuff is good; otherwise, everything post-1643 leaves me cold at best, furious at worst. [Why do I then review it occasionally? Simply so as to give myself the chance to re-evaluate my opinions and not be closed-minded...]
LJBSasha 1 year ago
@LJBSasha Does Vivaldi leave you furious or just cold?
blichilde 1 year ago
@blichilde: Vivaldi leaves me cold
LJBSasha 1 year ago
To be honest, my likes are mainly post-1850 (with the advent of Brahms, Wagner and the Russian school).
LJBSasha 1 year ago
@LJBSasha
There is no reason to bring the Blessed Sacrament to the altar: the Ostensorium is made to Bring Him away from the altar, to bless the people.
You're not catholic, are you?
saltovitale881 1 year ago
@saltovitale881: No, I'm not Catholic (though I have much sympathy for the Roman Church). However, when a Mass is being celebrated, isn't it done at an altar? Also, granted that a Te Deum service in the Anglican manner can be without Communion, isn't such usually celebrated WITH a Mass in the Roman Church? Thus, it seems to me that - unless the service is being held outdoors - that the procession should go TO the altar.
I honestly welcome your input on this matter. Thank you in advance!
LJBSasha 1 year ago
Just in case we're not communicating on the same wavelength: I'm presuming here that the Te Deum service is not using bread and wine held over from the Reserved Sacrament from another service (isn't that what the Ostensorium is supposed to hold in such a case, taking your words literally?), which would then be able to be distributed - if I recall correctly - without going through the actual part of the Mass where previously-unconsecrated elements are consecrated.
LJBSasha 1 year ago
@LJBSasha Well the Eucharistic Benediction is not in the Mass. In the movie the priest ( a cardinal? he's got the Mitre so he's at least a bishop) holds an Ostensorium. The Ostensorium is never used in the Mass.
So I can positively say that it is not a Mass, that we see in Tosca. It seems the procession of the Corpus Domini, when the bishop holds the Blessed Sacrament and go out the Church, to the street.
The procession goes to the altar only when it ends.
saltovitale881 1 year ago
@saltovitale881: Thank you so very much! So, in other words the Te Deum service is NOT part of a Mass, but can include a procession of the Sacred Host in the Ostensorium. [While I knew that in the Anglican manner the Te Deum can be either a separate service OR combined with Morning-Prayer Divine Office (Matins) and/or Communion (Mass), I didn't know that the same holds for the Roman Church. My impression was that there, most services would include a Mass.]
LJBSasha 1 year ago
Still trying to wrestle down some confusion: in other words the Procession of the Consecrated Host (if I remember that being the term for the Blessed Body of Our Lord) not only is never part of a Mass, at the end of any such Procession (including when a Te Deum is celebrated), the Host (Blessed Sacrament), on arrival at the altar, is then put back in the Tabernacle (where the Reserved Sacrament is normally kept), while certain prayers are said/sung and the celebrant kneels in front of it.
LJBSasha 1 year ago
Finally, saltovitale881, the celebrant in that opera's First Act is called a "cardinal" in the work's full-score ("partitura" in Italian, in case that's who you are).
LJBSasha 1 year ago
One last point, just that I be fully sure of this: it's in other words not necessary to hold a non-Eucharistic service (one that's not a Mass) at an altar? Have I got this correct? In other words in this scene, a procession including the Host in the Ostensorium can start while facing away from an altar as happens in this film?
Thanks for your patience with me. [Io Loro ringrazio per la vostra pazienza - sperò che non sono troppo sbagli nel mio italiano?]
LJBSasha 1 year ago
Oops, missed in that last clause the 'ci' that should go between the 'non' and the 'sono'. "Mea culpa..." O Weh!!!
LJBSasha 1 year ago
@LJBSasha The "Te, Deum" is an Hymn. We thank God for something. It is sung in December, 31 for the passed year (and for the new). In Visconti's Gattopardo the people sing the "Te, Deum" in the Church when the Prince and his family arrive to Donnafugata. In Tosca the Te Deum is sung to thank God for the Victory against Napoleon (the sacristan says it). The presence of the Blessed Sacrament, maybe it's a director choice. Notice that the Ostensorium is empty (I think for respect).
saltovitale881 1 year ago
@saltovitale881: sorry but I'm puzzled about your pointing out that the Ostensorium is empty as an apparent gesture of respect - seems somewhat contradictory when you earlier said that the idea of the Procession of the Host is to bring Christ "away from the altar, to bless the people." Isn't then the idea of an empty Ostensorium missing out on that point?
[Please forgive me if this offends you in the least - know that I'm not at all anti-Catholic and am honestly trying to understand.]
LJBSasha 1 year ago
@saltovitale881: you're right about the "Te Deum" being a hymn of thanksgiving and praise, and that in this case it's used relative to the purported victory at San Giuliano over Napoléon (at Marengo, the French that turn the defeat into victory!). Regarding the Blessed Sacrament's presence: I'm not so sure if it's a director's choice based on the full-score of the opera (which one can see in PDF format on IMSLP {International Music Score Library Project}) and its directions.
LJBSasha 1 year ago
@LJBSasha Why this should offend me? This "politically correct" begins to be choking, doesn't it? :-)
I said "for respect" , meaning respect by the director. Showing a false Blessed Sacrament in the movie, as a caracter, it's not respectful.
saltovitale881 1 year ago
@saltovitale881: How right you are about "political correctness" choking me - it's Communism all over again!!!
Yes, you're right about the Ostensorium being best empty under such circumstances, given that it wasn't a real Cardinal or at least bishop displaying it in all probability - if it was, it would have added that much more authenticity (in my opinion).
Much to learn yet (I don't know Visconti's "Gattopardo" - when I get into literature, it will be on my reading list) - thank you!!
LJBSasha 1 year ago
Can someone please post the one before this? And tell me what it's called?
Villazonlover1 1 year ago
I prefer Sherrill Milnes!
NeoNesscom 1 year ago
@NeoNesscom have u listened to dmitris version? its awesome
musicalopera93 1 year ago
Muy bueno el video. La puesta, empero, es full boleta.
gaucho4004 1 year ago
Scarpia es un Scorpio, sin duda... Malo como ese arácnido. Genial interpretación!
bebetonguga 1 year ago 3
@bebetonguga scarpia un scorpio?! Uahahahah
lent77cv 1 year ago 20
The finest baritone singer/ actor of the 20th century.
esclarmonde1 1 year ago 4
Dal vivo R. Raimondi ha voce molto fioca nei gravi e decisamente forzata negli acuti.
31122051 1 year ago
A wonderful production. The other characters in the opera are wimp-like compared to the power and brutality of Scarpia brilliantly portrayed here. I've never understood why a high-headed woman like Tosca didn't just dump the weak artist and sleep with Scarpia. She was hardly the retiring sort. I think someone once wrote a short story of them waking up the next morning, having spent a pleasant night and she had completely forgotten the artist. Can anyone help me out with the author?
bdslds 1 year ago 3
Because 1) Cavaradossi is not weak nor coward: in fact, he's very brave helping Angelotti while risking his own head; nevermind defying Scarpia in the middle of the torture session. 2) Despite the superb portrayal maestro Raimondi gives us here, Scarpia is a murderer, a coward that abuses his power and position so as to get what he wants, not sparing a thought on who he is sending to the gallows, which family he is tearing apart, what sacred ground he is defiling, etc.
RAIV99 1 year ago 2
That's why Tosca, who was raised by nuns in the original play, and who's horrified by what she is forced to do in order to save her lover, always resisted Scarpia's advances on her, and ultimately killed him.
RAIV99 1 year ago
Certified Intergalactic! It couldn't get better than this.
Dogaradodia 1 year ago
When he fluently continues the phrase without talking new breath from 2:05 to 2.06 - just gives me the shivers!!!!
elizasparrow 1 year ago 3
Impressive in every aspect, this one-shot act is marvelous. The evil and anger, frustration and lust in Scarpia's sight is unparalleled, and camera work is ourtstanding.
thelinkin3000 1 year ago 3
Very impressive! I saw him last week in Vienna and he was a convincing Scarpia.
emacasta 1 year ago
I saw him also in vienna on the 17.2.
he was fantastic....
ElisabethLackner 1 year ago
Brillant, Raimodi is perfect , the best aria from the best Opera,
MIKEBURROWS1 1 year ago 3
Scarpia is in all of us.
FlyingMelbournite 1 year ago
Scarpia's profound hypocrisy/blasphemy is horrific. I am shaken every time I see this video. Bravo, Raimondi! You brought Scarpia to life, and to death.
TheAdmiringFool 1 year ago 3
@TheAdmiringFool Well put. It's simply amazing the blending of his evil thinkings in loud voice with the pious hymn sung by the chorus. But isn't true the devil enters the church sometimes? This baritone aria is one of my faves. And Raimondi is a perfect Scarpia.
acla9000 1 year ago 2
Surley the best Scarpia.
He is also on the fairly reasent recording with Tony Pappano and ROH.
violinguy100 2 years ago 3
@violinguy100 e ovvio che raimondi é the best Scarpia,per i sordi e un fatto,una realtá .hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
bodiloto 1 year ago
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abracadabranque 1 year ago
Simplemente maravilloso. Una puesta en escena, real, arrolladora. La rutilante música de Puccini y ese formidable Raimondi, un pedazo cantante-actor.
gliteranbigai 2 years ago 2
@gliteranbigai , sin duda el director de la cinematografía de esta producción es un genio
logica10 1 year ago
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francesca7564 2 years ago
TROPE
dermonster4 2 years ago
Genial first chords.
AnryK2690 2 years ago 2
Indeed they are.
thelinkin3000 1 year ago
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Nice, very nice
aljosaostojic 2 years ago 3
Splendido! Veramente ben interpretato in un magnifico quadro d'insieme!
jeanmolin55 2 years ago 2
I think that bodiloto loves Raimondi, is absolute obsessed with him...
Snowss 2 years ago 2
Powerful performance; stunning video. Thank you. Even when a voice is a bit threadbare, a great artist is still compelling.
marlyharris 2 years ago
i like this.I am a Gobi fan but this i enjoy.Cool!
kendoscot 2 years ago
Scarpia -London / Tosca - Renata Tebaldi
Scarpia -Popov / Tosca - La Dimitrova
bodiloto 2 years ago 2
Scarpia - Gobbi / Tosca - Callas
dilvishselar 2 years ago 3
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francesca7564 2 years ago
Ah, il est là, il est là, il est là, mon Dieu (apud Donizetti)! Un des rares et vrais Scarpia qui ont parcouru ce monde... Oui, Domingo a eu un temps dur pour nous convaincre qu'il était l'héros contre ce superbe Scarpia. Callas était l'actrice suprême mais quand à la voix il y a eu de meilleures. Gobbi était brave aussi mais Raimondi ici est mieux. Pour moi, au moins.
RAIV99 2 years ago
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francesca7564 2 years ago
love the tosca so much,....when i saw it in Quantum of Solace i got teary......the best opera and they put it in james bond doesnt get any better.....always rewind the scene
SgtSammyJPeppers 2 years ago
hey,
i don't know where you live, but maybe you know about the MET High Definition Translations?
In Canada, they show Tosca next week, it's on big screens etc.
Check out the MET website.. They have many,many more operas ;)
-P
P0lja 2 years ago
please tell me its in or around Vancouver
SgtSammyJPeppers 2 years ago
check out your local movie theatres..
I'm going on Sunday in Toronto.. so yeah...
I'm almost certain that it will be shown in Vanc. as well!
P0lja 2 years ago
eeeeh Saturday!
P0lja 2 years ago
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bodiloto 2 years ago
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Lei sta diventando noioso, caro bodiloto.
blichilde 2 years ago
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bodiloto 2 years ago
You GOTTA love Scarpia!
Mamasan41 2 years ago
After this rendition too many women love Scarpia instead of Mario :)
blichilde 2 years ago
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@blichilde Vous avez des goûts pervers,très chère!...
abracadabranque 1 year ago
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@abracadabranque ha ragione,bravo!
ranigema 1 year ago
Oustanding
logica10 2 years ago
eccellente interpretazione!
sincerity112 2 years ago
Bravissimo!
alfikar 2 years ago
Love desire power and tyranny make you forget god, he became like god, the beast Scorpio in every thing,
mdganim 2 years ago 3
Excellent and epic music..!
MrPolitolog 2 years ago
N'empêche que à Marengo on a gagné.
isabelle070209 2 years ago 3
Oui, mais à ce point dans l'opéra on ne sait cela (les nouvelles arrivent dans l'acte deuxième): après tout, la bataille initialement était gagné par le Maréchal autrichien Melas. Napoléon cependant a continué la bataille (a San Giuliano?) et finalement la victoire était la sienne - Melas a du fuire...
LJBSasha 1 year ago
@LJBSasha ouais c'est pas faux et non à la fin du premier acte on ne SAIT PAS.
isabelle070209 1 year ago
what a voice!!
It´s so dark, so powerful... :D
a great Scarpia
marlenekato 2 years ago 5
Interesting. He took the hem of the Bishops Vestment and kissed it. That is a custom in the Orthodox Church . At the great entrance during the liturgyas the Priest passes with the Chalice and the Diskarion and the faithfull mostly women and some men will bow and kiss his vestment.
tenorismo 2 years ago 2
the contraversary he is saying Tosca you made me forgot my god, thank you for the information,
mdganim 2 years ago
A wonderful discrepancy: Scarpia hardly disguising his words plenty of malice and at the same time a chorus singing a hymn in praise of God. A demon among angels. Beautiful aria. Great opera.
acla9000 2 years ago 2
acla9000...re: your wonderful discrepancy; I think the dynamics of this scene reverberate in Francis Ford Coppola's Godfather as the murders are undertaken while the child is baptized in the church.
KNS1996DFS 2 years ago
Very well reminded, KNS1996DFS!
acla9000 2 years ago
Yes, the analogy is the same. In fact, the Godfather is scripted like an opera. I have used this same analogy before in describing this scene in Tosca. This is the real conflict that permeates the scene, a sacred moment that is juxtaposed against the evil Scarpia is plotting.
russlene 2 years ago
That's just right!
acla9000 2 years ago
semplicemente fantastico...impressionante,,,Puccini era un genio!
KinomotoSakura92 2 years ago 3
Is it just me, or does it seem like Disney's Hunchback of Notre Dame based Frollo's song "Hellfire" off of this??
DirectrixM 2 years ago 2
Yes, it is very good.Especially in third act, in scene with Amneris .( "Vieni d,Iside al tempio.")He make very even line of singing. I went in Grande teatro , when Aida performed them on stage and i dislike russian singer, which performed Ramfis , because he had dim timbre and awful pronunciation. But, unfortunately, a lot of russian singers ( local stars) can,t sing well and elegantly.But Raimondi can do it, i am sure.-)
LeonoraPasiniani 2 years ago
Scarpia...acciecato dal desiderio...
Musica travolgente....
Bellissimo.....
antonella1416 2 years ago 5
Raimondi, immenso!
Calaf081081 2 years ago 7
Me also, that scene in Quantum of Solace is immense, the music is fantastic.
ChrisKennedyBarnard 2 years ago 2
i've loved this since watching quantum of solace!
gurpsk 2 years ago 4
same haha
thekub0013 2 years ago 2
One of the greatest operatic scenes ever!
grandeopera 2 years ago 7
Agreed!
This, and 'Ave Formosissima' from Orff's Carmina Burana
xoio 2 years ago 3
Exactly so
galestorm3 2 years ago
Cavaradossi dice ancora: " Scarpia scellerato" (atto primo).Ma Raimondi e molto intellegente Scarpia, perche lui non e malvagio. Se un uom e bello, lui non posso esser scellerato.Bellezza del corpo supporre bellezza del anima, io penso.
P.S. A proposito, mi chiama Elisabetta( in vita)
LeonoraPasiniani 2 years ago 3
Suvvia,Leonora-Elisabetta.If you are rally only 16,remember that Raimondi is 50 years older than you...I too think that he's handsome,but I'm not 16,alas.
And unfortunately it isn't true that a beautiful person has necessarily a beautiful soul! (I don't know Raimondi's personality,I must say).
blichilde 2 years ago
Di Suo opinione, che Scarpia e bigoto. Quando Raimondi canto Suo favorita parte, io non penso, che lui immaginare Scarpia come bigoto.
LeonoraPasiniani 2 years ago