The Kane and Gilbert Hoax - the case of invisible evidence

[1970gtosd]

Why does the accellerator have to be computer controlled anyways?

[carquestions]

@1970gtosd Short answer is for fuel economy and packaging - cables had there problems

too - What do you think turns the throttle in a bus, train or plane? These systems have been around before the year 1998 in corvettes and other cars - I haven't seen any go bad yet.

[kilgoja]

haha this is really funny...japanese are far better with electrical components than anyone else in the world....this is such a joke

[rbrucepeterson]

Hopefully we can get to the bottom of this.

I don't believe that this is the cause of the acceleration issues, but the circuit theory explains how the car could act that the gas pedal is down when it's not.  It's possible that there is a cause other than the wires, say if the solder used was a non-lead solder and grew tin bridges. In cases such as that, microscopic resistive shorts could happen in random circuits within the control unit causing unpredictable behavior.

[Yashveersingh87]

Gilbert was a poephol,

[carquestions]

March 31, 2010, 9:30 pm - Sources familiar with the NHTSA / Toyota investigations have reported to Carquestions that all of the investigations of the past two weeks (more than 8) have all resulted in a finding of "driver error" and no vehicle defects have been found. It is also reported that NHTSA will halt its current round of investigations into Toyota sudden acceleration claims until further notice.

[siucchris]

@carquestions Talk to NASA and NHTSA about this................

NHTSA and NASA have confirmed tin whiskers, with a similar resistance to the one induced by Gilbert, were found in a Toyota APPS.

[wcaba001]

As an Electrical Engineer, I partly agree and disagree with this video. It is true that no evidence of corrosion makes the wire shorting theory unlikely. HOWEVER, this video is incorrect in assuming the wires need to escape the plastic loom and make contact with the car's metallic ground. ALL electronic components carry a reference ground, any wire carrying a ground signal would be enough to short the accelerator wires. These are digital wires so the 200 ohm resistance is unneccessary to occur.

[carquestions]

New Video - Carquestions challenges GM to "man up" and recall 12 million vehicles for a safety and emissions defect concerning broken exhaust manifold bolts. Mark has researched and experienced rusted and broken exhaust manifold bolts on GM vehicles over the past few years and can't believe GM won't acknowledge the problem through a recall or TSB. Thousands of Silverado, Sierra, Suburban, Tahoe, Yukon and even Escalade owners have spent millions...

[carquestions]

This does - every manual shift car uses the same computer as the automatics - tell me why the same computer would fail only in cars with one less pedal?

[cvmiata]

great vid, very informative. what i dont understand is what was wrong with the mechanical "bowden" style cable system that connects the gas pedal to throttle body? we had this system for almost 100 years and was pretty reliable. even if the cable broke the spring on the throttle body would bring the butterfly valve to close. this is the fix, the option to go back to the old system would be great, most people just don't know enough about what they drive.

[carquestions]

@cvmiata all true - except there is still a spring on the throttle body just like there used to be

[LexusISFi]

What do you have to say about the latest news..on the electronics.. in 2002 Toyota sent a service report to all its dealers and a copy to the National Institiute on Highway Safety Asscociation (whatever the assoc) ... acknowledging that they had an issue with unintended accleration.

[carquestions]

@LexusISFi It was a TSB that they sent to dealers about reprogramming the trans computer - the acceleration issue was about delayed acceleeration actually - people would accelerate onto the highway and complain they were going to get killed because of the delayed downshift

[carquestions]

@LexusISFi They flashed the computers for the trans and that fixed it -

[carquestions]

The comment section is not working for me very well so I can't see everything I'm typing unless I use this box - gcjblack - I wanted to say there is a $2250 Reward for anyone who can show me valid proof of a faulty part or system that has caused a Toyota to accelerate out of control and have an accident.

[gcjblack]

who do you work for? It is often expected that you declare your personal interests, bias, and non-independance.

I have seen wires conduct due to oil & dirt & moisture in the plug or micro cracks on the wires. I just finished paying a mechanic for more than 3 days to trace down an intermittent fault causing my tail lights and/or reverse lights to come on, killing my battery.

If it was an accelerator module, I could have been killed. Let the investigations continue.

[carquestions]

@gcjblack I work the government of Ontario as an Automotive instructor. I dodo not own a Toyota or receive money from them or any other manufacturer directly or indirectly - see my site - I do this as a public service and fund all activities personally. - The problem on your vehicle is likely well known and has been found and duplicated many times - No one has ever found a vehicle anywherre in the world that would accelerate by itself - and Toyota won't be an exception to this rule - $2250

[myHome109]

Thank you for the information and accurate reporting of product tampering. After hearing about the redundant multi-system failure occuring concurrently during SUA, I could find no evidence any of the other systems failing. Transmissioin failure, brake failure, ignition failure, no evidence. I checked Consumer Report, Edmunds, Yahoo auto, MSN auto and no prior history of other system failures. How can all these systems fail for these witnesses and their are no evidence avilable or history!

[bossoholic]

Computers have errors! If the gas petal is electronic- what makes you think that there cant be a glitch that tells the computer to "go"?

[carquestions]

@bossoholic There is a $2,250 Reward for anyone including you who can show valid proof of a defective Toyoyta part or system that has caused a car to accelerate out of control and have an accident - Care yo aplly? or would you like to pledge.

[milansc]

Do you have access to the official NHTSA investigation report about Mr. Sikes runaway Prius incident?

I've read some articles about it. It says that the investigation has showed that Mr. Sikes had applied the brakes some 250 times, lightly, contradicting his earlier statement about the incident. Why had the brakes almost disintegrated, according to the same report? If the brake override feature functions properly, it cuts the engine power, ...there should be not enough force to cause the damage.

[carquestions]

@milansc If you (as I'm sure he did) apply the brakes on then off then on etc and alternately floor it - all you do is overheat the brakes if you do this for 30 miles. You have to be careful to drive with one foot - the override only kicks in if and only if you push the brakes and the gas at the same time something he took care not to do.

[milansc]

@carquestions

Listening to his 911 call, one must admit he's a very good actor. He should consider that as a career switch option. As for the "incident" he had just wasted someone else's time and resources.

[carquestions]

@milansc He should be charged in a court of law -

[milansc]

@carquestions

Given all the problems with unintended acceleration and suspicion that the fixes may not be a definitive remedy for the problem, Toyota can't prove that he did, what they think he did, beyond reasonable doubt.

[skaai]

this is a superb debunking. Until i'd seen this, i had almost lost my faith in humanity because so many people still want to believe the car is at fault. You, sir, have reminded me that the world is not full of intellectually lazy folks... thank you

[carquestions]

suckchris - Hey Hey Hey - if I want to hear talk like that I'l call my friends or family -

[acs4llc]

@carquestions

You're right again. Toyota is not on trial for murder (manslaughter), well at least not yet. Of course the bruden of proof would be higher in that case (beyond a reasonable doubt). That's an excellent point, but how does that relate in this (civil matter).

[carquestions]

It is not a civil matter or criminal matter until a Prosecutor or lawyer files a charge or lawsuit. In these cases - If Toyota was found to have memos knowing its cars would kill people then they would be charged criminally. If one of their cars had a defective part that caused a dented bumper it would be a civil matter. It is a distinction with a difference.

[acs4llc]

True. And yes, there is a lack of evidence or a true 'smoking gun', making it nearly impossible to find Toyota civilly liable. The burden of proof would be on the plaintiffs. In the end, everybody loses. Well, except for the lawyers.

[carquestions]

Same exact thing happened with Audi - all the suits failed.

[MrObeseAmerican]

Read BUSINESS WEEK - WITCH HUNT on Toyota

[carquestions]

@siucchris Kid I was fixing cars when you were playing super mario -

I found a flaw in a smoke detector - if you put gum over the whole it won't record a fire and set an alarm - I haven't found any real examples of this but everyone chews gum right ?- Hey kid you'd better phone the fire department and tell them what I discovered.

[acs4llc]

@carquestions

You're right about Kane's test being unrealistic, but you're totally missing the point; Toyota techs, when investigating cases of unintented sudden-acceleration, are all to quick to scan engine management systems for error codes... but for some reason, are slow to retrieve "black box' data following a crash. They call such data 'unreliable' or 'usually inconclusive'. WTF? Why does the NHSTA let Toyota get away with this shit?

[milansc]

@studiob2

I know that. Thanks.

[milansc]

Technological advance always translates into new risks, challenges and questions. Are the tools at investigators disposal good enough to provide the right answers? They always have to keep up in order to be good enough. Its a never ending story.

[milansc]

Even though Mr. Gilberts experiment is totally unrealistic to happen in real time, it clearly shows that there are erroneous situations not detectable by onboard computer diagnostics. So, there may be some realistic erroneous situation which could happen in real time, but still not detectable. That possibility cannot be ruled out. Thats the point. And, because it does not leave a trace, you are not able to reconstruct what happened.

[milansc]

Its easy when you have to deal with some mechanical malfunction due to wear and tear. Its visually detectable. This is not.

[carquestions]

@milansc You must understand that all the complaints you have ever seen from TV are unsubstantiated and anecdotal. If this were a murder trial no Prosecutor would ever have brought charges, you are convicting when you should keep an open mind and say "alleged incidents" - I'll say right here and now the first person to bring me a credible investigation that proves a defective part or system caused a Toyota to accelerate by itself and crash gets $100. How about you Milan? You a betting man?

[milansc]

@carquestions

No. I am not a betting man.

Still, I can't dismiss all the complaints as not credible. There's just too many of them and something most likely is going on.

[carquestions]

@milansc You can't dismiss the complaints and I wouldn't want you to, they need investigating. What you do need to do is not turn a complaint into evidence or proof just because the number is high. If it was 2 you wouldn't say that - but they could still be proven true couldn't they? The reverse is true just because there are two thousand they could all be proven false.

[milansc]

@carquestions

I've never said that a complaint is evidence of something being wrong. It's just an indication that something may be wrong, and certainly requires investigation.

[kawrx2002]

Anything can be manipulated with modern engine ECUs to display or not display what you want. Aftermarket companies have been doing it for years now. This is why Mr. Gilbert was hired in the first place. Engineers and attorneys knew it could be done.

You can't blame Mr. Gilbert though. He was doing what he was paid to do, but now he's under the microscope to justify these 'realistic conditions'

There still may be a problem with Toyotas electronics, but this isn't it.

[carquestions]

So far all anyone can prove is that Toyota is not perfect - not that their cars accelerate by themselves - let he without sin cast the first stone

[butterchickenfriday]

yup, Gilberts method is way off, but the principle remains that whatever happens, the onboard computer can not recognize the malfunction ...unrealistic yes, but the computer did not catch it ..so carquestions, thanks for shooting down what didn't happen with your car edumacation ...now done school us and Toyota on what the problem really is ...bunch a genius' you are !

[carquestions]

Your logic is a bit faulty - a computer of any kind cannot record an "unrealistic" event since striclty speaking you're saying a computer should be able to record events that are not real. I for one am glad they only record "real" events. Mr. Gilbert shamed all mechanics and investigators - end of story.

[milansc]

@carquestions

I have a question.

This car computer in modern cars ...

There must be a memory unit or chip to store the software run by the car computer. What happens if and when that unit fails while driving, and the software is lost?

[milansc]

This guy said he had made some +50000 miles/+80000 km since he bought his Prius in 2008. Never had a problem. And then it happened yesterday or today. After this, I believe he could make another 80000 km without a problem, or perhaps never experience a similar problem again. It's really intriguing.

[milansc]

When designing a car, you have to have in mind most vulnerable drivers, in most unusual circumstances, and only after that being able to say that your car is safe to drive.

For the sake of argument, let's say a 70-year old woman rents a Prius. Is she supposed to read a manual before driving? I don't think so. Even if she reads the manual, is she going to understand it?

So, "Keep it simple" is a must, and Toyota does not follow that.

[carquestions]

@milansc when designing a nail gun you have to keep in mind that a person who has poor eyesight may decide to purchase it thinking it works the same as a hammer they played with as a child. Does a reasonable person believe that new technology can simply be learned by trial and error and reading is never required? The reverse is of course true. How many people could jump in and drive a Model T in under a minute? - I would agree that there is room for improvement - but for all makers

[milansc]

@carquestions

Agreed. This applies to all carmakers. What I said is that vehicle controls should be the same regardless of a brand. If you learn to ride a bike, then you are able to ride all the bikes. You don't care who manufactured them. If a brand of cars becomes different from the others in a way how you operate it, then you would need to start issuing special licenses to allow drivers to operate that brand. It's essential to keep controls simple and same no matter the complexity behind it.

[milansc]

The brake override system must be a standard feature in all electronically/software controlled cars, not only Toyota, especially when Toyota have the tendency to make their cars difficult to operate. In example, you need to read manuals to learn how to put Prius into neutral while driving. How one operates a vehicle should be the same, no matter the brand. Basic operations must be as simple as possible, and Toyota have made their cars more and more complex to operate.

[milansc]

As for Mr. David Gilbert, if he did exactly what you have said, then his 10 minutes of fame will certainly turn into 10 years of shame.

Don't get me wrong. I don't blame Toyota for having the problem, but I am very disappointed with the way how they reacted to it. It has been painfully slow. It's very hard to detect and isolate software glitches, and they may be deadly. Not knowing what exactly is causing it, they should have build in the override brake system years back.

[carquestions]

@milansc Brake override is a must - but what of all the other older cars? - It's not a software glitch - their programs aren't that complicated and are easily bug tested.

[milansc]

It's not what you can see.

It's what you cannot see.

It's not the hardware.

It's the software.

[carquestions]

If it was - someone would have taken me up on my $1000 offer - Do you really think in millions of cars over the past 8 years nobody can replicate this problem or show any hard evidence?

[milansc]

@carquestions

You can't get access to Toyota's software.

Software glitches may not happen frequently.

Read the newest report about runaway Prius near San Diego, CA.

[carquestions]

@milansc If your computer gets a virus there are programs that can find it easily. Do you think trained computer technicians couldn't find it in all these thousands of complaints - stop and think for a second

[milansc]

@carquestions

Let's use this analogy of a computer virus. Assume this Toyota's software glitch, if it exists, is a completely new virus. None of the existing antivirus programs would be able to detect such a virus, because they are not programmed to. In order for the antivirus program to be able to detect it, a new virus must be understood, how it behaves, what are its properties, so the knowledge of the virus could be programmed into the antivirus software and thus make the virus detectable.

[carquestions]

@milansc Sorry - you miss understand me - I merely was stating technology exists to check for errors, I don't mean you should by virus software for your car. These vehicle systems are dedicated and no one can add a virus to a cars computer that I know of.

[milansc]

@carquestions

I know. I was just using a virus as an analogy.

The technology exists to check for errors, but still those errors must be anticipated. Software glitches are not anticipated, and therefore not detectable by the system. You can see the result of a software glitch, i.e. unintended acceleration, but you don't know why it happens, what exactly triggers it. Of course, we don't know if it's a software glitch at all, but these systems become increasingly complex, one cannot rule out.

[carquestions]

@milansc I can list a dozen cars from Chev's to Honda's that have soft errors. Every single one had an undesirable effect on the car of some kind and every one of those effects could be reproduced and examples could be found. Strange these 8 million cars with thousands of complaints no one can find one that does it after they get out from behind the wheel.

[milansc]

@carquestions

It's very puzzling indeed.

You know, with millions of Toyotas on North American roads, that's still a very small percentage of incidents. So, it is really a very rare occurrence. That's part of the problem why it is so hard to pinpoint the exact cause. And, because involves acceleration, when it happens, it's dangerous.

[carquestions]

@milansc There have been many instances were a rare defect was found and it only affected a tiny amount of cars - they still found real examples of it - case in point Look at an 08 Expedition - there is a recall for 45 vehicles -

[carquestions]

@milansc Rare occurrences have been found many times before - there have been recalls of less then 10 cars. Case in point 08 ford Expedition, 45 vehicles recalled for an air bag defect - that rare but they still found it.

[milansc]

@carquestions

So, what do you think is going on?

You are an intelligent professional.

I've found your video very helpful.

On one side we have these incidents coming in.

They are rare, but persistent.

On the other side, nobody seems to be able to explain why it's happening.

This guy said it had nothing to do with the floormats. Also, my understanding is that his Prius has never been recalled to replace the gas pedal.

[carquestions]

@milansc All these complaints are the same - automatic trans, over 50, accelerates by itself, brakes fail, credible person, all deny, more women then men, no evidence immediately after accident, no evidence on further investigation, no comparison vehicles - its the pedal design and your foot. I think if pressure is applied to the left edge of your foot like when braking - I don't think your brain can recognize a light pressure on the right edge at the same time. It would explain all.

[milansc]

@carquestions

If I understood you correctly, you are saying that it happens when drivers press the brakes pedal, commanding the vehicle to brake, but at the same time the right part of their foot presses the gas pedal, lightly, which would command the vehicle to accelerate, but they are not aware of it. That may explain it.

The problem with these drivers is you can't get an info you could rely on 100%.

[milansc]

This guy from San Diego said he'd been practically off his seat while laying on the brakes pedal so hard ... The question is what and who to believe.

[carquestions]

@milansc It can be proven - you rig a car with a camera under the driver's seat and a microphone. You get test subjects to drive the car - you profile them - over 60 etc. You have a passenger posing as a researcher in the passenger front seat that has hidden controls to accelerate the car without notice to the driver - you then film the whole thing and act surprised at the end - you'll catch about 20% believing they hit the brake when the camera says otherwise.

[milansc]

@carquestions

Nice idea :)

But still, they should consider a larger gap between the pedals, to make this simultaneous application of both pedals impossible to happen, like the scenario you explained in the video.

[carquestions]

@milansc I'm glad you agree - it's been done before

[milansc]

@carquestions

Well, it's been nice to chat with a fellow Canadian.

I am Canadian as well, living in Brampton, immigrated to Canada in 1993 from Sarajevo.

[macdaddy1600]

toyotas are great cars ITS OBAMA AND THE ASSHOLES IN CONGRESS WHO WANT TOYOTA TO START A UNION THATS THE PROBLEM GO TOYOTA

[carquestions]

Another angry out of work engineer - So can I please have the one example you keep yapping about? - still no evidence - are you just going to keep saying you have it over and over again

Did you read Sussman and Pollard already - far more qualified people then you tackled the problem and would disagree with you. but I guess you don't like facts you can touch do you?

[carquestions]

beginnerelctronics would like everyone here to believe he has a BSEE from somewhere and has qualifications as an expert - Since he's hiding behind his username I don't know why he didn't say he has a Doctorate in Electrical engineering like Dr. Gilbert - perhaps they are related?

[carquestions]

You're really getting your prostate in a knot eh? I'm Canadian - we don't take offense 

Thanks for stating the obvious "test the theories" - how about you do that and show us your results? Mr. Engineer - that way people will respect you for what you do instead of what you say. And for the sixth time today can you give us any source of information that show clear evidence that your theory occurs in a dbw system - I'm guessing we;ll never see evidence from you

[carquestions]

I work for the Ontario Government in Canada - anyone can verify that - too bad your research skills are limited to posting wild theories. I'm no more likely to be paid by Toyota or drive one than your are David Gilbert's twin brother with the same wild theories. Genius - the ads change - Lincoln has been an advertiser as well too - So you think I work for Ford as well?

Stop getting your information from CNN and Fox

[carquestions]

Would you believe MIT electronic engineers? or will you slag them to? - Look up the Sussman and Pollard report 1989 - look at all the research they conducted and look closely at the conclusion - its about Sudden unintended acceleration by the way. Now would you be so kind as to provide one single study - photo ANYTHING that proves your wild theory about sudden unintended acceleration in any Toyota or any other make EVER - will be waiting for for a while I'd guess

[slagjumper]

I meant use the device that displays the crash data from the recording device.

[carquestions]

No they do not - proprietary is the term that is being used

[slagjumper]

Hmm. Toiyota doesnt let anyone outside the company use the device that records crash data?

[slagjumper]

Other cases could have been settled out of court. I tend to agree that the collection of facts makes the issue very unlikely, once per 10 billion hours traveled maybe. How long does the EDR record data, before overwriting? Did it show 100 mph in the case inquestion? Where is the edr vid?

[carquestions]

3 to 5 seconds before and during impact. Little is known about Toyota's scan tool to read it since they are the only ones who have it - Of interest GM's and Ford's scan tool is available for purchase and both companies have shot down SUA cases in court with it.

[slagjumper]

How many claims have made it to court? Do dealers actually diagnose the problem within the ECM-- or do they just find it bad and sell you a new one? Could be that the components inside the ECM look fine, but no longer function within spec. So looking for cracks, burns and such wont reveal the problem. Also why does your video only talk about the external wires? I see Gilbert's claim as a possible vector of failure, rather than an explanation of what happened.

[carquestions]

No claims have made it to court - interesting don't you think? - Speaking of ECM's - don't you think the completely separate EDR would be happy to record the fault in real time for all to see - The EDR (see my video on it) would clearly show 0% throttle, brakes applied speed at 100 mph.

[slagjumper]

I agree this issue could happen in any car with circuit boards. Whayt if the componants where out of spec -- due to asy heat or time. Not enough to cause an obvious issue at first? How many MB circuit borads where examined, before a fault was found?

[carquestions]

Just one - from one complaint was found. Don't you think its odd that thousands of technicians can't find any physical evidence from thousands of Toyota complaints?

[slagjumper]

What if the short occurred inside a control module due to a faulty part -- say a diode? Control modules are grounded on the outside of the box. I think that the entire circuit shold be investigated, not just the exterior wiring. If there is one problem, every million control moduals, that means there could be many problems a year. Each circuit has many subcomponants each a potential failure point.

[carquestions]

And there would be many good examples found by investigators such as myself - I have seen Mercedes Benz circuit boards damaged in such a way you describe and it is clearly visible to the naked eye - care to explain why no one in the world can show this fault you describe on a Toyota? -

[carquestions]

There are many tools on the market that can find shorts easily - The biggest flaw in your logic is that it's too narrow - Correct me if I'm wrong but the short you refer to leaves EVIDENCE doesn't it? or is it invisible? - In the entire world no such problem has existed in cars such as you described that could not be found by any reasonably competent investigator or mechanic. Kane claims no evidence would be found and this is just nonsense you are repeating

[TheGloved]

I worked in Automotive design for 22 years and evidence of this has been proven many times. In fact many sensors on cars today have this issue but the software is designed to filter it out.

A throttle cannot afford the delay so the filtering is minimal.

Fuel sensors often show this type of issue but have long software filters to mask it.

His idea is relevant and should at least investigated using six sigma design of experiments not just blasted on youtube by some self proclaimed expert..

[carquestions]

You simply miss the point completely - did you ever attend university? Your obsessive focus on the car has produced exactly zero - of course and unless you can show us ANY hard evidence of ANY kind ANY where - your just like other sheep who believed Kristi Bradosky back in 86 - and they were all wrong.

[carquestions]

Stop playing Call of Duty and do your homework - worked in auto design since you were 18 eh? Utter nonsense - I've been investigating cars and been a mechanic for more than 25 years - please list one investigation of a car that accelerated out of control and had its brake fail due to the problem you describe. - Where I come from when a Judge says you're an expert you are - What are you an expert in? - give us some hard evidence not BS

[windbreather]

Your doing a great job of keeping to a level headed approach to this problem. People jump on these " the sky is falling" stories so easily without any energy being spent to figure things out for themselves.

[chrisnantucket]

That woman in TN had both feet on the brake with the transmission in neutral and even reverse and the car (lexus) kept accelerating to 100+ mph. I dont know how interacting with the gas pedal can make this happen, but it doesnt seem to be carpet in the way, or simply a sticky gas pedal. Maybe Mr Gilbert's idea is far fetched, but there is more going on than meets the eye. And it seems to be toyota's problem, not anyone elses. I'll keep my old car with actual LINKAGE, Thank You!

[MrKaz106]

I understand that she sold the car to some body. If you know that the car is defective, would you sell it to unsuspecting soul? Then the second owner had no such experience. Now NHTSA bought up the car to check it.  So this is the true story.

[carquestions]

Sadly, I'd have to say - I couldn't agree more - CNN and Fox are asleep at the switch - want some real news - check out my latest video on the fake complaints Kane used in his report to Congress

[carquestions]

Why don't CNN and Fox profile Krisiti Bradosky - she lied in front of 200 million Americans in 1986 about her Audi killing her son - It would be fascinating to hear from someone who spoke to an entire nation and had them believe what she said only to be later completely contradicted - if you have time check out my latest video on the false complaints Kane submitted to Congress - I can't believe no news org checked them out. This guy is getting a free ride.

[carquestions]

Why in the world are people so quick to believe a persons story if tragedy or danger is involved? How many mothers have cried on TV saying they want their children back only later to be found out they were the ones who killed them?

[meandmyevo]

I love how thorough you are with your findings.

You kick ass dude.

[pavelow235]

Agreed with the last 30 seconds of your monologue, "The problem is the location of the pedals, the design of the pedals, and how people interact with them, and its not just Toyota's problem but every car manufacturers problem". Very well said, I think in the end though, the truth will come out and hopefully David Gilbert will be prosecuted to the full extent of the law.

[geoBM818]

AWESOME DESCRIPTION!

You are a good man.

[mes210]

Ok Check out this senerio: Yes moisture the same way you get it when your distibutor is damp or coils are damp and make the engine misfire. Moisture could short inside either the pedal (and create a false pedal position) or the Throttle body actuator could have the moisture and create the acceleration. The moisture doesn't register when the cars have a miss. What do you think?

[carquestions]

Any tech could troubleshoot this in a second - get a spray bottle of water and turn the lights out - use a scan tool, scope or ten other ways - this type of problem has been found, proven and replicated by thousands of people -Kane and Gilbert's claim cannot be found, proven or replicated in a real world example. - it exists as fiction only - unless you know of a case?

[mes210]

I fully agree with you they could not replicate but I still question moisture inside component as a false movement.

[carquestions]

And this would leave water staining and fault codes - something any investigator could find except apparently Mr. Gilbert

[carquestions]

Simple answer - I can show you three different real cars that have this moisture condition - and here's the difference - you can't show me one that has Gilbert's

[sweetwaterbonefish]

I bet a good technician can rig a car to squirt grape jelly out of the tailpipe when you honk the horn. Now the question is... can that occur naturally own it's own?

[carquestions]

Now here's a man that understands completely.

[gangstaboy4you]

so we all know that gilbert is a complete dumb ass the problem with being able to prove that the cars are faulty will be hard as we don't know when its going to happen BUT i'm going to make sure they are found out my fiance's father had another problem with his vibe accelerating on its own again so we talked we are going to set up a camera in his vibe to make sure we get it on tape next time then once we can get that footage we finally have proof of the fault

[ichliebemeinfuhrer]

Why has this video been taken down? On whose orders?

[carquestions]

Its working right now - I'll keep a close watch - I couldn't get into my account yesterday Tues at 13:00 for about 20 minutes but this video is live right now and its 1243 pm wed

[chiefs2011]

I smell Government Motors behind this!

[sircesare]

could it be that the united states noticed that the yota corporation is helping the japanese kick the American bases in japan out? could that be a reason why the states are going after Toyota? to many questions it seems...

[rmaizner]

Can you say "Witch Hunt?"

[carquestions]

Ya baby - big time

[firstmusic00]

+1....I can certainly say "Witch Hunt"!

[therealcaptobvious]

NUMMI vs. the UAW. google it...

[CanadaClip]

Instead of panicking why don't people just reach around the steering wheel and shut the ignition off. The car stops then. But I guess people don't have enough common sense to figure that out!!

[jaramip1]

Thanks for setting the record straight! Keep up the outstanding work!

[FuckFordGM]

carquestions

I have been following all your videos closely, and im extremely grateful for sharing your unbiased knowledge and research on the Toyota Scandal.

My family owns and drives Toyota for years, and it hurts me to see a good, family company getting screwed over by corruption and lies

[gangstaboy4you]

lol i see you hate ford lol well i must say something to you lol GM and toyta their cars are injuring and killing people that's why i've always owned a ford BUT i don't hate any company i love all car's the same maybe you should to and even though i own a ford. my fiance's dad has a pontiac vibe which has small floor mats that dont reach the gas and his vibe floors its self frequently so for all you GM lovers i'm setting up a video camera in the vibe and getting the evidence you all need

[carquestions]

Bravo - does some real research and learn something - I just checked out an 09 Vibe last Friday - after checking the car thoroughly and finding nothing wrong I took the owner/driver and sat him in a 2000 Dodge Caravan to show him the differences in the pedal spacing, angles and height. He was astounded - and now reports no problems with the car - lift your foot don't pivot is the secret. - thanks for volunteering to shoot some evidence - I can't wait to see the results.

[carquestions]

You can also try this - 1. Switch cars with him for a week and see if you have any problems - note where, when etc. 2. Tell him to drive in his socks and not to pivot his foot but to consciously lift it to brake or accelerate - you'll be surprised at the results - please share them

[plygnl]

thank you for providing such great information! Yoshimi Inaba made a good statement during the Testimony regarding Kane findings: It's not unintended acceleration, its intended manipulation.

[carquestions]

I love that line - "intended manipulation"

[DodgeMan360]

6.1?

[carquestions]

nope - 5.7