Then shouldnt we just make divorce illeagal, it would stop alot of alcohalics and suicides from happening, and whats wrong with sister and a brother getting together? is that a serious question, its insest, it has a chane to create a deformed child, that should be illegal, buit you ompare it to gay marraiage as if it is the same, well two same sex cant even create a child so you cant argue that
what makes you think that gay marriage is not a stable family environment? and your argument about two brothers and two sisters getting married does not make sense because in the confines of the laws of strait marriage siblings cannot get married, so why would that be legal in gay marriage?....com up with a plausible argument before you post a video. I have no problem with your opinion. it is you opinion and that is great but com up with arguments that make sense before you post.
A gay marriage is a stable family, just like a straight marriage. No we do not say that two brothers should marry, that is still incest. Quit talking out your butt. You are ignorant the Constitution challenged slavery, but is that bad. I do not think so, we are always going to challenge ignorance.
you simply assert that gay marriage would constitute a challenge to marriage but you don't bother to explain this. why don't you get me from point a to point b on this?
The last argument you make is totally invalid... you would have to compare marriage between two brothers or two sisters to marriage between a brother and a sister, not to a traditional marriage between a man and a genetically unrelated woman.
That would make his argument even more irrelevant. We are talking fundamentally about the common marriage that takes place everyday in a number of countries between a man and a woman. In order for his argument to be valid, he would have to address how marriage between a brother and a sister is valid... this is clearly not the case. Thus, the argument is superfluous.
It is equal Rights that they gays are arguing for NOT the benefit of society. Who cares if they want to be in a relationship with their brother who the hell cares?
Are you an Idiot, comparing gay marriage to two brothers marrying is... I can't even think of a word to describe. What exactky is a family but a group of people who love each other. For instance a family can consist of a single parent and his/her children. What automaticly constitutes two men who have married and their children as not a family.
You're comment on how two brothers or two sisters should be allowed to marry is fundamentally flawed, because incest and gayness are polar opposites. Incest was legal at first, but then Mankind learned that incest led to geneticly-deformed babies. This is a matter of SCIENCE, not religion.
Gayness, however, has always been illegal, not because of science, but because of religion bias and prejudice.
First of all how are homosexuality and incest polar opposites? Incest can involve opposite sex or same sex partners. "Gayness" has not always been illegal and where it was illegal it has not always been for religious reasons (cue China, the Soviet Union & company). The taboo against incest is one of the few human universals there is and it has nothing to do with either science or religion. This is all Anthropology 101. Before getting on your anti-religion soapbox do some basic homework first.
The incest taboo is universal and this is hardly controversial. Quoting mythology as if that proves anything is like saying that people in the Bible who allegedly lived to be 800 proves that people used to live to be very old once, but we know that people in biblical times died around age 40. Homosexuality was legal in ancient Greece although a man was expected to marry and have children too, and in many countries it has been taboo for this reason but not illegal.
So Same Sex Marriage is all of a sudden going to lead to incest? How about Bestiality, too?
The bottom line is what this boils down to is both bigotry and laziness. Bigotry from homophobic people who can not accept that people are different from each other. And laziness, because people don't want to take the effort to re-educate society.
What we have is a large amount of people that still would rather put faith in a book of fiction, as opposed to accept reality for what it is.
There are definitely more reasons to it. I agree with gay marriage but not adoption. Why?
1) A boy/girl needs a man and a woman's perspective in his/her life. I man cannot explain to a girl what happens through puberty and such. Just the same as a Woman could not explain to a boy. This is because they have not experienced it themselves.
2) Prejudice against that child. Growing up that child would be segregated against and called a "fag" by a lot of people. Not good for a kid growing up.
I agree. If gay marriage is legal, that will force everyone to accept it. If you're religious and you really feel you can't accept it then what? Society is starting to call those people "homophobes" when in fact, they are just being true to their religion and their conscience on the issue. It doesn't mean they hate gays.
for what your saying is the main reason to why i'm against it being taught in schools. And the state of California changing the curriculum showing kids that marriage also happens between gays.
For color and whites mingled not because their parents were not against it but because they were taught to think that way in school (used as an example and not meant to state anything racial)
ahaha have you ever seen or met a religious person who dosent "like" gays? xD religous people will go crazy if they find out someone is gay!!! THEY ARE CRAZY!!!!
Unfortunately this craziness is protected by Constitutional law. So crazy or not they are still entitled to freedom of conscience and that means the right to reject gay marriage. Did you ever consider that if we added up all the people in the world who are against gay marriage that means at least 90% of the human race is crazy and full of "hate?"
I'm a little confused on you're definition of the word "Stable"
A non-stable family doesn't automatically mean two of the same-sex parents. You are completely forgetting poverty, alcoholic parent(s), a heavy drug environment. A nuclear family isn't always best. I mean, what are you exactly afraid...that the children in the orphanages get a chance at having a family?
These people really need to go to a class on basic logic, they don't even understand the basic syllogism. This man's argument made absolutely no sense. First he stated that the family was incredibly important and that society has an interest in preserving the family. He then, completely out of the blue and without bringing forth any evidence whatsoever, stated that Gay marriage would erode the family and then even more bazaar, he stated that Gay marriage would lead to state sanctioned incest!!
All women have wen through puberty no matter their race. I don't think any man has went through women puberty or even knows what it is like to go through there struggles. They might have gone through different struggles that might have been worse but that doesn't for this
I'm sorry didn't word that too well. Two dads cannot provide the same as 1 dad and 1 mom can. One of them cannot be a real mom because of the reasons above.
Have you ever heard of the slippery slope logical fallacy? You said that the same argument for legalizing gay marriage would be in favor of legalizing incestuous marriage. That may be so, but by your own account there is a reason we don't allow incestuous marriage, so it would not necessarily follow immediately. It's not as though we can't consider arguments against it. You need reasons against gay marriage not reasons against incestuous or polygamous marriages, considering these don't follow.
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So, by this logic, marriage should not be between a man or a woman either, because the next step would be marriage between a sister and a brother. Sorry, kid, you just failed Logic 101. Why don't you just admit that you don't like gay people? Why try to dress your prejudice up in pretentious, flimsy and bogus reasoning?
Erodes the family institution?? No honey, that would be intolerance, missundersatndings of basic human equality and mindless and indeed, pointless arguments which are ultimately in favour of dividing people by denying them the right to choose whether to get married or not...oh wait, sorry, they don't even have a choice in some states do they? p.s. Please supply all of the 'statistics' you speak of to back up your opinion.
No...the logic behind gay marriage is that everyone should get the same rights!!!!!...your saying homosexual couples should have less rights as heterosexual couples and that is the problem.
And, like other people have mentioned already, if you're going to bring up the argument that the legalization of same-sex marriage will lead to incestuous marriage between two brothers or two sisters, then we should also ban heterosexual marriage as, based on your logic, that would lead to brother-sister incestuous marriage.
If you're going by the logic that same-sex marriage should be illegal because it is detrimental to maintaining "stable families" (poor use of the word 'stable' BTW, as same-sex parents can provide a stable family environment for their children) then you should also be vouching for the ban on divorce by parents with children, as that would also be detrimental to the "nuclear family".
If 2 people are in love why should they be denied the right to legalize their vows based on them having the same gender?
Family is not just Man-Woman-Children. Funny how some people will call their dog, their cat, their lizard and pets as family but 2 homosexuals raising kids wont be accepted as family.
Personally I feel that it takes a secure heterosexual who is confident about his own sexuality to accept gay people. The rest are insecure, seeking refuge in baseless logic.
I'm going to argue that you didn't provide 1 single valid argument. I've been married to a woman for 11 years. We have 2 kids. I assure you gay couples do not effect that relationship whatsoever. They do not cause my marriage to be, in your own words, unstable nor ill preserved. Are you even married?
If you're going to equate gay marriage to 2 brothers then you have to compare straight marriage to that between a brother and a sister! You're simply trying to justify demonizing gaysandit'sobvious.
For this argument to have any substance you would first have to prove that the beneficial model of a family is impeded by both parents being of the same sex.
Also, by this standard you're saying that whether or not two people should be allowed to marry is directly related to their ability to form a stable relationship and properly raise children... but unless you are proposing that the government have an inquiry into every marriage to determine it's merits then you're not being consistent.
What a douche. Who died and made you god?
ViaTheRadio 2 weeks ago
That guy is an idiot.
smurfboywv 6 months ago
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checkmwonderfulday 1 year ago
You're cute. Can I fuck you?
1981bendover 1 year ago
Marriage should be illegal. No marriage, no problem.
f0repl4y 2 years ago
Then shouldnt we just make divorce illeagal, it would stop alot of alcohalics and suicides from happening, and whats wrong with sister and a brother getting together? is that a serious question, its insest, it has a chane to create a deformed child, that should be illegal, buit you ompare it to gay marraiage as if it is the same, well two same sex cant even create a child so you cant argue that
(sorry for misspelled words)
beatles61 2 years ago
Oh and this challenge to the family that you speak of. what is it? you just say there is a challenge and you don't say what it is.
thenewboy2010 2 years ago
and also your "statistic" (which you did not present by the way) do not even support your argument.
thenewboy2010 2 years ago
what makes you think that gay marriage is not a stable family environment? and your argument about two brothers and two sisters getting married does not make sense because in the confines of the laws of strait marriage siblings cannot get married, so why would that be legal in gay marriage?....com up with a plausible argument before you post a video. I have no problem with your opinion. it is you opinion and that is great but com up with arguments that make sense before you post.
thenewboy2010 2 years ago
A gay marriage is a stable family, just like a straight marriage. No we do not say that two brothers should marry, that is still incest. Quit talking out your butt. You are ignorant the Constitution challenged slavery, but is that bad. I do not think so, we are always going to challenge ignorance.
blackboy9321 2 years ago
your a religous bitch
Ronaldmacali 2 years ago
of the thousands of gays married in europe not one brother,sister or animal... not one ...has married there------------failed argument
holtklein 2 years ago
you simply assert that gay marriage would constitute a challenge to marriage but you don't bother to explain this. why don't you get me from point a to point b on this?
j3rdog 2 years ago
The last argument you make is totally invalid... you would have to compare marriage between two brothers or two sisters to marriage between a brother and a sister, not to a traditional marriage between a man and a genetically unrelated woman.
DeMars3 2 years ago
accualy I think what he was kind of getting at was part of the British royal family in how they would marry the members of there own family.
gizmo00000000000 2 years ago
That would make his argument even more irrelevant. We are talking fundamentally about the common marriage that takes place everyday in a number of countries between a man and a woman. In order for his argument to be valid, he would have to address how marriage between a brother and a sister is valid... this is clearly not the case. Thus, the argument is superfluous.
DeMars3 2 years ago
It is equal Rights that they gays are arguing for NOT the benefit of society. Who cares if they want to be in a relationship with their brother who the hell cares?
Rotohel 2 years ago
Are you an Idiot, comparing gay marriage to two brothers marrying is... I can't even think of a word to describe. What exactky is a family but a group of people who love each other. For instance a family can consist of a single parent and his/her children. What automaticly constitutes two men who have married and their children as not a family.
schafferkyle94 2 years ago
You're comment on how two brothers or two sisters should be allowed to marry is fundamentally flawed, because incest and gayness are polar opposites. Incest was legal at first, but then Mankind learned that incest led to geneticly-deformed babies. This is a matter of SCIENCE, not religion.
Gayness, however, has always been illegal, not because of science, but because of religion bias and prejudice.
dstebbin 2 years ago
First of all how are homosexuality and incest polar opposites? Incest can involve opposite sex or same sex partners. "Gayness" has not always been illegal and where it was illegal it has not always been for religious reasons (cue China, the Soviet Union & company). The taboo against incest is one of the few human universals there is and it has nothing to do with either science or religion. This is all Anthropology 101. Before getting on your anti-religion soapbox do some basic homework first.
maire83 2 years ago
1. Incest is not a universal taboo. The Goddes Hera married her brother, Zeus, and royal families for centuries tried to "keep it in the family."
Also, can you show me some evidence that homosexuality started off legal and then moved to being illegal?
dstebbin 2 years ago
The incest taboo is universal and this is hardly controversial. Quoting mythology as if that proves anything is like saying that people in the Bible who allegedly lived to be 800 proves that people used to live to be very old once, but we know that people in biblical times died around age 40. Homosexuality was legal in ancient Greece although a man was expected to marry and have children too, and in many countries it has been taboo for this reason but not illegal.
maire83 2 years ago
So Same Sex Marriage is all of a sudden going to lead to incest? How about Bestiality, too?
The bottom line is what this boils down to is both bigotry and laziness. Bigotry from homophobic people who can not accept that people are different from each other. And laziness, because people don't want to take the effort to re-educate society.
What we have is a large amount of people that still would rather put faith in a book of fiction, as opposed to accept reality for what it is.
MystikWizard 2 years ago
There are definitely more reasons to it. I agree with gay marriage but not adoption. Why?
1) A boy/girl needs a man and a woman's perspective in his/her life. I man cannot explain to a girl what happens through puberty and such. Just the same as a Woman could not explain to a boy. This is because they have not experienced it themselves.
2) Prejudice against that child. Growing up that child would be segregated against and called a "fag" by a lot of people. Not good for a kid growing up.
katojizzly 2 years ago
I agree. If gay marriage is legal, that will force everyone to accept it. If you're religious and you really feel you can't accept it then what? Society is starting to call those people "homophobes" when in fact, they are just being true to their religion and their conscience on the issue. It doesn't mean they hate gays.
maire83 2 years ago
for what your saying is the main reason to why i'm against it being taught in schools. And the state of California changing the curriculum showing kids that marriage also happens between gays.
For color and whites mingled not because their parents were not against it but because they were taught to think that way in school (used as an example and not meant to state anything racial)
whatupchico 2 years ago
ahaha have you ever seen or met a religious person who dosent "like" gays? xD religous people will go crazy if they find out someone is gay!!! THEY ARE CRAZY!!!!
TombRaiderFann 2 years ago
Unfortunately this craziness is protected by Constitutional law. So crazy or not they are still entitled to freedom of conscience and that means the right to reject gay marriage. Did you ever consider that if we added up all the people in the world who are against gay marriage that means at least 90% of the human race is crazy and full of "hate?"
maire83 2 years ago
I said they're crazy because lots of religious people will pull lots of stunts to make a gay feel like shit and unwanted
TombRaiderFann 2 years ago
I'm a little confused on you're definition of the word "Stable"
A non-stable family doesn't automatically mean two of the same-sex parents. You are completely forgetting poverty, alcoholic parent(s), a heavy drug environment. A nuclear family isn't always best. I mean, what are you exactly afraid...that the children in the orphanages get a chance at having a family?
bbrussian 2 years ago
Some families R more stable divorced. My parents stayed together '4 the kids' -wish they didn't.
pantheon777 2 years ago
These people really need to go to a class on basic logic, they don't even understand the basic syllogism. This man's argument made absolutely no sense. First he stated that the family was incredibly important and that society has an interest in preserving the family. He then, completely out of the blue and without bringing forth any evidence whatsoever, stated that Gay marriage would erode the family and then even more bazaar, he stated that Gay marriage would lead to state sanctioned incest!!
plutogirllovekj 2 years ago
I agree dude.......same sex marriage should be made illegal.....
android125 2 years ago
a gay family is still a family duh
just becuz u have two dads doesn't mean it ain't a family
it maybe untraditional but so was interracial marriage back in the 60s
sexfanatic 2 years ago
All women have wen through puberty no matter their race. I don't think any man has went through women puberty or even knows what it is like to go through there struggles. They might have gone through different struggles that might have been worse but that doesn't for this
katojizzly 2 years ago
wtf are u talking about
are u sure u even replied to the right comment?
sexfanatic 2 years ago
I'm sorry didn't word that too well. Two dads cannot provide the same as 1 dad and 1 mom can. One of them cannot be a real mom because of the reasons above.
katojizzly 2 years ago
I'm just making that argument against being able to have kids. Otherwise I have no problems with gay marriage
katojizzly 2 years ago
Have you ever heard of the slippery slope logical fallacy? You said that the same argument for legalizing gay marriage would be in favor of legalizing incestuous marriage. That may be so, but by your own account there is a reason we don't allow incestuous marriage, so it would not necessarily follow immediately. It's not as though we can't consider arguments against it. You need reasons against gay marriage not reasons against incestuous or polygamous marriages, considering these don't follow.
pkiverson 2 years ago
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So, by this logic, marriage should not be between a man or a woman either, because the next step would be marriage between a sister and a brother. Sorry, kid, you just failed Logic 101. Why don't you just admit that you don't like gay people? Why try to dress your prejudice up in pretentious, flimsy and bogus reasoning?
tophersan59 2 years ago
Erodes the family institution?? No honey, that would be intolerance, missundersatndings of basic human equality and mindless and indeed, pointless arguments which are ultimately in favour of dividing people by denying them the right to choose whether to get married or not...oh wait, sorry, they don't even have a choice in some states do they? p.s. Please supply all of the 'statistics' you speak of to back up your opinion.
Ladytanyahyde 2 years ago
No...the logic behind gay marriage is that everyone should get the same rights!!!!!...your saying homosexual couples should have less rights as heterosexual couples and that is the problem.
zbjordan23 2 years ago
And, like other people have mentioned already, if you're going to bring up the argument that the legalization of same-sex marriage will lead to incestuous marriage between two brothers or two sisters, then we should also ban heterosexual marriage as, based on your logic, that would lead to brother-sister incestuous marriage.
PistoLP09 2 years ago
If you're going by the logic that same-sex marriage should be illegal because it is detrimental to maintaining "stable families" (poor use of the word 'stable' BTW, as same-sex parents can provide a stable family environment for their children) then you should also be vouching for the ban on divorce by parents with children, as that would also be detrimental to the "nuclear family".
PistoLP09 2 years ago
Hats off to o1dh4k
If 2 people are in love why should they be denied the right to legalize their vows based on them having the same gender?
Family is not just Man-Woman-Children. Funny how some people will call their dog, their cat, their lizard and pets as family but 2 homosexuals raising kids wont be accepted as family.
Personally I feel that it takes a secure heterosexual who is confident about his own sexuality to accept gay people. The rest are insecure, seeking refuge in baseless logic.
turnolife24 2 years ago
yeah, you have no logic whatsoever. epic fail.
noescape25 2 years ago
I'm going to argue that you didn't provide 1 single valid argument. I've been married to a woman for 11 years. We have 2 kids. I assure you gay couples do not effect that relationship whatsoever. They do not cause my marriage to be, in your own words, unstable nor ill preserved. Are you even married?
If you're going to equate gay marriage to 2 brothers then you have to compare straight marriage to that between a brother and a sister! You're simply trying to justify demonizing gaysandit'sobvious.
o1dh4k 2 years ago 3
Haha.. u're right. He failed. Makes me wonder whats his GPA.
GayBooi 2 years ago
"I know there are statistics reenforcing this"...
Well, that's a sure-fire sign of bullshit....
Come on, you can do better than that.
JasperAvi 2 years ago
Not everyone is raised in a mom-dad household. Not everyone wants to get married just to have kids. Some people want to get married for the benefits.
There's been studies that prove gay parents tend to do better than heterosexuals..
They tend to be more devoted, determined and can financially support the child becuz when they have a child it's ALWAYS planned.
And if u're gonna use the "two bros or two sis"-can-get-married-too argument, THEN you HAVE to use a brother and sister.
PrinceOfBabylon 2 years ago
exactly...why hell should I support the government telling ppl how to live THEIR lives...two gay ppl marrying has ZERO effect on me.
zbjordan23 2 years ago
For this argument to have any substance you would first have to prove that the beneficial model of a family is impeded by both parents being of the same sex.
Also, by this standard you're saying that whether or not two people should be allowed to marry is directly related to their ability to form a stable relationship and properly raise children... but unless you are proposing that the government have an inquiry into every marriage to determine it's merits then you're not being consistent.
aleceth 2 years ago 3
Here's a counter argument: because the marriage between a brother and a sister will erode marriage, we should prohibit all same-sex marriages.
vital427 2 years ago
You mean "we should prohibit all hetero-marriage"?
aleceth 2 years ago 2
Yes, thank you.
vital427 2 years ago