Man, I'm a fan of Kate, Tori and U2 (yeh, weird mix, I know), but one thing those 3 artists have (unfortunately) in common is hyper-sensitive fans! Some verging on the manic! Scary!
Wish Kate would tour again, but maybe she'd be embarrassed (and a bit scared) of obsessive hyper-fans shouting out what they want/demand her to play/sing - hmmm, just like Tori's, but Tori copes pretty well...for now.
I'm a fan of both women. I felt for awhile that Amos was influenced by Bush. But I feel it's coincidental really. They have such different styles. Bush is much more theatrical, and Amos is mainly a songstress, more folk or rock oriented. And Amos is much more straightforward, not as much a wordsmith as a storyteller. Ability? That's so subjective. Both are equal at what they do.
Kate Bush recently ended an interview (with a dagger look) when Tori Amos was mentioned, so I doubt this is going to happen...... That said, I went to see Tori two weeks ago and she did a God/Running up that hill mashup which was nice to hear.....
@bobbyatomic Are you Kate Bush's manager? If so, I'll check my sources, otherwise pipe down. I read that in either 'Q' or 'The Sunday Times at the time of 'pi''....I can't quite remember. If I had known that, at some point in the future some muppet was going to pull me up on it, I would've paid more attention(and probably kept the article). Next time you're talking to Kate Bush, try to clarify that for me. Cheers.
@bobbyatomic Seriously fella, what would I have to gain by making such a thing up.... These are two of my favourite artists. No one would be happier to see them collaborate than I.
Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen...unless something has changed in the interim.
@kman6969 Ah. It is from 2005. And there was no "dagger look." I have that interview. It was done over the phone for Q, and the interviewer asked Kate who her favorite performers of the last 20 years were. Before she'd had much of a chance to answer, he threw out Tori's name and she was momentarily silent...and then he withdrew the question and they both giggled a bit. She never committed one way or the other, and as it was a phone interview, any "dagger look" has to be greatly assumed.
@robbjmc Ooops Sorry, I didn't seee this earlier. Cheers for clearing this up. I cheerfully withdraw the 'dagger look' I must've recalled it wrong, but, I'm sure we'll agree, it doesn'tlook like any collaboration will be happening anytine soon...again thanks for your fair comments.
@bobbyatomic Exactly. I've read every available interview (yes I know there are lots recently) and not one's asked her about Tori and put it in print since 2005. Not one. There are lots of mentions of Florence and the Machine though, and as always, Kate says something like "I don't know if it's true that I've been influential, but it's nice to think that I have..."
@kman6969 Where did you get the information about this "dagger look"? Because I am aware of exactly two interviews in which Tori is mentioned to Kate Bush and she's been fairly evasive, but nice about it. She's known for smiling at dumb questions until interviewers simply retract them by asking another. I don't think a "dagger look" ever happened.
@robbjmc I honestly wish I had never passed comment on this (as I'm a big fan of both). But I remember reading it, having a bit of a chuckle and showing it to my twinbrother and friend (one a huge Kate/Tori fan and the other, such a fan of Ms. Amos that his daughter, my niece, is called 'Tori') and they both remember it, but not exactly where it came from. I even asked them about it, without mentioning all this furore and they confirmed what I remember. I was genuinely not trolling....
I love these women, so hearing their voices together is amazing. Yeah they are different and are their own people but you all have to admit that they both have loads of talent.
not a copycat. kate doesn't own 'musical artist with piano.'
is every man with a guitar a copycat of the first Man With Guitar?
they are both amazing artists and have their own styles. there are similarities, yes, but anyone that thinks tori is a 'copy' must not know very much about music.
I got into both Tori & Kate within the same week, just as Tori's Earthquaks album was published! I thought that it was kinda strange that these 2 girls names were All of a Sudden erupting all around me.. Within a month I started readintg about this bullshit about did Tori "Copy" Kate or not.. The answer is NO!! We can only hope that Tori in all of her Genious was actually Influenced by Kate.. Which I am sure that she was!! = QUIT GRIPING..
@SteamFanHannover lol the only people I hear comparing Tori to Kate Bush are fanatics like you. Well you say that Tori Amos copies Kate Bush, but let me ask you something. Has Kate Bush ever made a song like Professional Widow, where Tori blends different musical styles like Blues, Rock, and classical among others while playing on a harpsichord? Has Kate ever written an rock/electronica song about her experiences with her miscarriage like Tori Amos has?
I tried to love this but I can't. Love Tori and Kate both, and happy to see that people value a woman's soprano voice today, and not just The Sopranos! *lol*
But anyway, would Tori like this? In the past she didn't like being compared to other artists any more than they liked comparisons. If I had to compare anyone vocally to Kate, it would be roughly Loreena McKennit - check her out if you like Kate's Gaelic stuff!
Kate Bush and Tori Amos really can't be compared - they are just not on the same level. I find Kate Bush's music to be quite intricate and advanced - more theatrical. But I am a huge fan of both singers.
I'm not a Tori Amos fan, but that doesn't mean we have to trash her for not being on Kate Bush's level. Who is? Still, I can see why this video pisses off Kate Bush fans especially. It's as though the creator of the video is equating the voices and talents of the two women. And sorry, but they're not equals nor do their voices go together. Their two voices together here don't sound like a single piece of music. It just sounds disjointed and annoying.
I think Kate Bush is a bit too english for America. Whatever that means. I had tried several times to really get into her music and videos, and something stops me when I just about to embrace her as one of my own music icons. A talented artist. One of the best performers. No doubt! And all this fights about who's better, is just plain silly. I love Tori to death. And if what some die hard Kate's fans say: that Tori's a copycat of Kate's work, well, I would be loving her equally. But I can't.
@WilburyVision Please. This again? If you don't see how Kate Bush and Tori Amos are two completely different, original artists who happen to both be female pianists and who cater to a largely overlapping crowd, you need to buy new hearing aids and glasses. Can we all just agree that we love good music and be done with this inane discussion?
@Mitholas Can you recommend a good opticians?! You have to admit that the way this video is edited does show how close TA was to KB. Do you think it was simply co-incidence and TA had no idea that KB got there first?! Yes, of course, TA was a completely different original artist to Kate lol.
@WilburyVision I can recomment LensOnline, though it depends where you are. This video mashes together two a capella tracks. You can't really tell a whole lot of things. Both tracks are rather boring and quite possible some of the least good things both artists have done. A capella tracks are also not so much original to either of these women as something that happens when you have no music. Neither of them "got there first". Also, they're both alive&making music so talking past tense is creepy.
@Mitholas Well I will concede to your opinion - i do have to agree that both are talented artists, and although I do have a preference for Kate Bush over Tori, I would take an artist like Tori Amos anyday compared to some of the X Factor fodder that is peddled as good music in this day and age. Renthead 15's comment illustrates neatly that there is nothing new under the sun, and that even artists inspired by others can still themselves be inspiring! Go well.
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This is her opinion, and it's a very understandable one. There are many differences between Tori and Kate... Let them be individuals okay?
It's a female thing, a piano thing, a similar production on a COUPLE songs that happen to use a female voice and PIANO thing. Tori said she was influenced by a LOT of artists, from 3 years of age guys. Tori has covered countless artists.
@FarewellBlackSwan Yet again, what a ridiculously untrue statement made by a dumb asshole such as yourself. Kate Bush wouldn't like you because of how much of a stupid bitch you are so stop sucking up to her and get a life.
Why can't people like more than one eccentric female artist who plays piano? It feels like there's a constant Tori vs. Kate war, when both of them are fantastic and should be celebrated equally for their amazing work.
I love both of these women so much. I have to admit, I find Tori far superior vocally (Kate has a very interesting and unique voice, but it can be a tad grating at times), but that is just personal preference. I also find Tori's piano work far more intricate. They have entirely different writing styles, though - Kate is more theatrical and writes songs about other people and places, Tori's songs are more emotion-based and personal. Tori wins by a hair in my opinion, but I love them both to bits.
I find this video interesting and very nice, i'm very fond of Bush and Amos and have been listening to both almost non stop recently.. its great to listen to both their vocal tones and idiosyncrasies in (non competitive) comparison.. the tracks merge together in a strange yet satisfying way...
love Kate - in a class of her own...can't stand Amos. all that coy posturing on stage and the shrillness in her voice make me shudder...would rather hear nails on a chalkboard
This mash-up is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard. That being said, the comments are off the wall. Some imply Tori has copied Kate her entire career. By that logic, Regina Spektor must not be able to perform either, eh? Or Fiona Apple. Or PJ Harvey. There aren't enough female singer-songwriters anyway. Let's just enjoy the artists we have, shall we?
@renthead15 Tori herself has said that Kate Bush was one of her greatest influences. That said, I think sometimes Tori's music is a bit more "skilled," as it were. But that's probably because whereas Kate Bush had no formal training, Tori Amos did attend the Peabody Conservatory from age 5 to age 10 - until she got kicked out for playing by ear! ROFL.
@kimburruss you obviously have no f*ck'n clue what ur talk'n about! Love the Tori support, but gaga should never , can never be in the same sentence with Tori. Totally different sounds,talent and heart!!!!!!
Slow interviews, over-analyzing Nirvana... But even if she comes across that way, I know she's genuine.. Or maybe its the wig... The "characters"... Yet on EVERY album, even BK, I appreciate songs... There's always that ONE song that gets me , just like before... Hell, maybe she's more abstract and out of touch to some... But so what? Everyone changes... If it comes full circle and we get that "old Tori" that everyone wants so bad... personally I'm grateful for what we got in the first place.
sickofwaitingtables... It's cool, sorry about the "idiotic" comment... It's just text so let's just chill.
I honestly don't get the pretentious thing though... I think she's a lot more "thoughful" about how she expresses herself, and maybe a little to out-there, and maybe comes across to some as pseudo-intelligent... But anyone who knows and follows Tori's comments/thoughts throughout the years, and especially her music, know how down-to-earth she can be, even when she's high as a kite.
By the way, "stealing the show" was tongue-in-cheek... But I guess it would have taken more than one skim-through-without-responding-with-idiocy for you to get that. You're responding to a post from months ago as if I was attacking Kate Bush. I said a LOT of Kate Bush fans are putting Tori Amos and her music down on this page for really, no reason. There's no reason for comparison, you take away from both artists with the generalizations. The next time you reply, please have some substance.
@robobrow I disagree that "there's no reason for comparison." Why wouldn't you compare and contrast two artists in any medium? It takes away nothing and has made me appreciate both Kate and Tori even more than I already had.
Also, I've no idea if you're addressing me or not, because if I responded to a months-old post, I likely responded to it months ago. What there's no need for here (no matter whom you're targeting) is the word "idiocy" just because someone disagrees with you. Keep it civil.
@robobrow I've since looked and see you are debating someone named sickofwaitingtables. Sorry for assuming it was me, you have a similar name to someone else who has also been posting recently.
@robbjmc it's cool... I'm definitely not talking to you :J
This person's going around calling people obnoxious and picking fights with people she doesn't even know. I'm sorry, but I do think it's kind of idiotic... I mean what's the point, except that she wants to cause some drama on YouTube.
She was responding to me pointing out that when someone else said that Tori Amos "loses" by sheer output, I said well... That's not very true considering just the enormous body of work she has...
I mean she responded to a post I made 6 months ago defending Tori from someone saying that Kate "wins" over Tori by sheer output... All I did was list the enormous body of work Tori has... We're talking like 200 songs... And I personally can't say that I don't adore, or at least like 85% of them... Like I've said before, the people making most of the comparisons are Kate Bush fans... And most of these comparisons are negative towards Tori... I wouldn't visit this page as much if not so, sadly.
@robobrow Well, I dunno that you can assume that it's Kate fans. If you've been to any Tori forum lately (and I am constantly on a few), the reaction to her recent work has been incendiary. They somewhat affectionately call her Fori (fake Tori) and hope that the real deal (LE / UTP-era Tori) will come back. Tori fans can ABSOLUTELY be obnoxious, to other fans and Tori alike.
My personal take? I LOVE Scarlet. I think it's one of her best. And MG is great. I'm only a mild fan of ADP, TB and AATS.
@robbjmc Oh yeah I agree about "those" Tori fans... Tried the whole forum thing for about a week... They talk about an artist as if they own her... Or really know her... It's just some weird contest on the internet. I loved Scarlett's Walk too.. REALLY grew on me. Beekeeper is kinda bleh... ADP is neat, and I think AATS, well about half of it is some REALLY awesome songs and some whitewash... But no one can agree on which songs are good and which suck... Personally I love starling.
Actually, I AM a Tori fan. I'm also a fan of Kate. But upon reading Tori's "biography" or whatever, Piece by Piece, I found her to be pretentious, abrasive, and ungrateful to her fans. Kate has always seemed very approachable and down-to-earth. Not one of her albums struck a wrong chord with her fans.
Every music review or profile I've read about Tori likens her to Kate. If most professional music critics claim that she "sounds a lot like Kate Bush", chances are, she does.
Therefore, I don't think she's "stealing the show", because Kate has already garnered renown and made a name for herself. I think what she's doing is more, let's say, "picking up where Kate Bush left off".
@sickofwaitingtables For a "Tori Amos fan" you sure don't sound at all like a Tori Amos fan... Really, I don't know any fans of Tori that talk about her the way you do... So please drop that bullshit at the door... And I'm sorry, she doesn't sound like Kate Bush... She sounds like Tori Amos.
@sickofwaitingtables I'm a fan of Tori as well and what you've said makes sense to me. In my opinion Tori is terrific but Kate is legendary. Kate kicked down doors so that Tori and a host of other arists could walk through them after her. I find Kate to be the better songwriter and the superior lyricist, but Tori is incredibly talented and I enjoy listening to her music. I feel no need to choose one or the other,
@musime : I agree that Kate Bush paved the way for Tori (and others), but I have a difference in preference of vocal sound and song writing. But that's just me. I'm sure plenty of others would disagree with me too. Ha, ha.
'A lot of influences have been responsible for the way i am' -KateBush Every one is influenced by other artists. Kate is a genius. But others are great too, and Tori is quite amazing.
Tori fans are so obnoxious. I'm ashamed to be one. Whenever I've engaged one in an "is Tori Amos a knock-off of Kate Bush" debate, they always resort to canned responses such as, "Did Kate invent falsetto?" or "Was Kate the first person to play the piano?" It's just exhausting to debate it. Just admit that they sound similar sonically, and that Kate is an ORIGINAL. I'm a Tori fan, and I can say that nothing she has done has been wholly original. I'm a much bigger fan of Kate ;)
Good point about Benatar...except that she discovered "Wuthering Heights" while on her first tour through Europe in 1979 (she and her husband wrote the liner notes for a 3-CD retrospective and mention first hearing it there).
It was certainly possible to hear of Kate Bush in the states in 1978 - 79...but again, she was not played on the radio and there was no MTV, so it was unlikely. Why not take Tori's quotes into consideration? She has said several times she'd heard about Kate in the mid-80s.
Yes, they sometimes sound similiar but that's it. Their music is totally different. They both have beautiful voices. I suppose in 79-80 Pat Benatar never heard of Kate Bush either that's why she was sining Wuthering Heights . . . lol.
I'm not arguing with you about Kate's influence (and I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you at all). To be clear, though, these quotes are from Tori herself and she's been quoted several times, giving the same timeframe.
I'm not sure why you'd think Tori had to have heard of Kate in 1979. Other than a spot on SNL (in which she did not sing WH), Kate was unknown here, no charting singles, no videos on MTV, no tour, no ads...her 2nd and 3rd LPs weren't even released here until after her 4th.
@lunamondo I am very dubious about this so-called duet, to me it sounds mixed. I have never heard of the two doing a duet together so I guess it is someone's clever handy work? As for Tori being rubbish, come on be fair. True lovers of music follow music for what it is so it's bollocks when people say such things. ...reminds me of the Blur Oasis battle, total shite, they were both good bands as Kate and Tori are great individual talented artists
@TalkToTheBody As far as I know, they have never met, much less done a duet (though if you read the quote from Tori following the video, you'll see that she, at least, is open to it). This is a mashup created by me in iMovie. I put the word "duet" in quotes in the title to clue listeners in.
@robi2000 It is a female thing. And a piano thing. And a similar production thing. And a similar art-rock image thing. And a similar voice thing. And a similar album covers thing. And a Tori-now-says-she-was-influenced thing. And a Tori-sometimes-plays-Kate-songs-in-concert thing. But other than those things, I can't figure it out either.
@robi2000 Thanks! They were all good points, if I do say so myself, but I don't see "every Tori song sounds like a Kate song" among them. Hmmm, better go look. Nope, I never said that, although I will say that the "peel out the watchword/you bet your life it is" sections of "Cornflake Girl" sound a lot like Kate's voice in any number of songs, and the abrupt change of both tempo and melody are very reminiscent of many Kate songs (like "There Goes A Tenner" for one). Thanks for posting!
@robbjmc hmm, well, comparing both artists based on elements they use in different songs is pretty lame. Bottom line is, the end products mean/sound very different.
And FYI Tori played 2 lines from Kate because it was one of the requests she got from her fans. She does that sometimes because she can improvise (another thing that sets them far apart).
IF they'd been THAT similar, one would think that RUTH would sound at least a bit similar. It sounded absolutely new.
It's your opinion that "comparing artists...is lame." I actually find contrasting their work fascinating because they're both so great at what they do. It's an exercise in getting to know them both better. It's also your opinion that they sound so completely different...most of the comments below disagree, and so do I.
Also, Tori has played "RUTH" a few times -- a few lines in "Love Song" but more prominently as a mashup with "God." She's also performed "And Dream Of Sheep" in its entirety.
@robbjmc "I actually find contrasting their work fascinating..." Me too. I don't have a problem comparing Tori & Kate. I just find it a bit pathetic to base those comparisons on "Tori has a similar voice. She's such a fake" or "Tori plays the piano, like Kate" or "Tori writes about religion. So did Kate". All of which both artists had very little (or no) say in. Basing your proof of "forging" on the colors used in a painting rather than the end result sounds - to me- a bit dense.
@EmmJupiter I never said any of those things. If you wish to direct vitriol at the person who did say those things, take your pick from the many below. But I don't believe that Tori is a fake or a rip-off. I also don't believe that the similarities are limited to "plays piano" or "sings soprano." It does not speak well of your intentions here that you must either misquote me or simplify a list I've written down to one or two things. Calling me "dense!" Be more constructive, or get blocked.
@robbjmc "Be more constructive, or get blocked" ooh PLEASE DON'T BLOCK ME. Whatever will i do if that happens?! :D
Grow up, it's just a debate. And it honestly wasn't my intention to call YOU dense. Just that manner of comparison.
But basing your "proof" of Tori's similarity to Kate on her voice sounding like Kate when she says"blablabla" MIGHT suggest that you tend to focus on rather trivial elements in a song.
Don't get me wrong, it's interesting to know. But there's so much more to songs...
@EmmJupiter It MIGHT suggest that, if that were the only "proof" I've provided. And you MIGHT actually confront someone who is arguing the point rather than me (apparently, the only way my mashup can be received by you is as an argument for copying).
If you were to keep referring to only *one* of many comments I've made, it also MIGHT suggest that you didn't have a leg to stand on & an axe to grind. Sarcasm MIGHT also suggest that, but...I'm busy, I'm tired of you, and your wish is my command.
To tackle another point on your list: I think it's a photographer's job to produce the album-cover. The singer just gives an idea of what the theme is... (at least that's what Tori does with her vids).
It's hard for me to believe that she'd willingly/blatantly copy Kate's album cover. I actually remember hearing her say she hadn't known about Kate's cover.
Abrupt changes in tempo: Composers have been doing that since the 19th century.
@robbjmc "Tori has played "RUTH"...more prominently as a mashup with "God.""
If by "prominently" you mean she sang 2-3 lines, then, yes. She basically sang the chorus.
I've not heard "dream of sheep" by either artist before. I'll go check it out. And even before hearing it, i'm pretty sure both versions are going to be VERY different.
You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, and I've no idea why. Of course they'll sound different (although only somewhat so in the case of "And Dream Of Sheep.") They are sung in different settings by different artists...one of whom is *intending* to make it sound different. No one ever said otherwise. The point of bringing up cover songs is that Tori is -- graciously, in my opinion -- paying homage to Kate. That's it. No need for all the huffing and puffing.
I love both Kate and Tori to DEATH, and I'm tired of comparison, but here's my input: I think Kate has a better voice. It's more distinct, and she has a better range. BUT, Tori also has a great voice. Both use their voice to convey their emotion so well, and they both are unique in that they aren't afraid to let their voices get a little "ugly" sometimes. They both use variety in their voice. However, Tori, I find, is a better pianist and songwriter. That's just my opinion, though.
Oh, confound the blasphemy. If they're so distinct, how'd we lengthen to 1,200 contentions as to how incomparable they uniquely are? Personally, Kate's red headed stepchi-KIDDINGGG!!!! Juuust kiddin. =] Tori Amos is delicous'n plays like a dream(ing-jk). But 2B trite, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. We're not talkin biting, here. We're talkin devour, sate, regurgitate. But imitation is what? Bjork suffered no backlash: she owned it. Tori's first denial became a stone around her leg. =/
with all due respect kate bush slays all-comers, just too bloody good and way too original. the song "breathing" alone should make her an all time great, but she's got so much more than that. if tori amos left it 12 years to make a record and then returned with no fanfare, tour or interviews you wouldn't even know it had happened. kate bush, no problem she could leave it 20 years till the next one and the world would wait with baited breath. that's great art ! thats kate bush !!
I love Tori and I've never heard of Kate Bush before, but I also think she is amazing just listening to her music, which I'm now discovering. Was Tori's style influenced by Kate Bush? I've been listening to Tori for 15 years and I notice that their music is similar.
There is a similar sound to their voices and to some degree, their music, and Tori was definitely "blown away" by Kate Bush when she first heard her in the mid-80s. However, their songwriting is actually very different.
The comparisons began when Tori and Atlantic Records released her first two albums with cover photos that mirrored Kate album covers pretty closely. They launched Tori in the UK, and the similarity of the photos and her new stripped-down sound worked very well for "Earthquakes."
However, Tori resisted (and probably resented) the oft-mentioned comparison and began to distance herself from Kate's influence even when the similarity was most apparent (the first two solo albums).
Whatever that initial issue might've been (and who likes to constantly hear that they sound like someone else), Tori's moved on. She now plays a few Kate songs in concert, as a tip of the hat to her, and has spoken very well of her in interviews (see the latest quote following the video at 2:08 ).
@robbjmc mid 80's ????? I can assure you Tori ust have heard of her well before then. Kate released Wuthering Heights way back in Jan 1978 when she (Kate) was just 19 years old. I remember her performing it live on Pebble Mill at One daytime TV Show and was blown away.
@TalkToTheBody I assume from the mention of Pebble Mill that you are from the UK, where Kate has been ubiquitous since day one. Tori is from the US, where Kate has had only one charting hit: "Running Up That Hill," which only made it to number 30 in 1985.
@robbjmc not quite sure what you are getting at here. Kate has been ubiquitous?? you mean kate has been everywhere as that's what the word means. Not quite sure what your point is. Yes I am English. Kate left the music spotlight years ago, not sure why but I guess she had her reasons, touring is not easy and the music industry at the time were very selective shall we say and radio was very controlled.
I was responding to your idea that Tori had heard of Kate Bush before the mid-80s. But that's not necessarily true. Kate was huge (ubiquitous) in the UK starting in '78, but did not make any inroads into the States until 1985 (when "Running Up That Hill" was a modest hit). It's not just possible, but very probable that Tori did not know of Kate until '85. But that's still a good three years prior to any Tori release, and it's my opinion that Tori's early career was noticeably influenced by Kate.
@robbjmc quite possibly, but given the huge talent Tori possessed on making Little Earthquakes she was no beginner and any decent artist with that level of talent would have had their ear firmly to the ground as every artist be it actor, musician, motor racing driver, footballer areall influenced by someone and if comparisons are still being made with Kate Bush then I would probably say Tori had her finger on the pulse to the days of wuthering heights. I guess only Tori herself knows.
"I'll never forget the first time I heard about Kate. I was playing in a club, I was 18 or 19 and somebody came up to me, pointed their finger and said, Kate Bush. I went, 'Who's that?'. I wasn't really familiar because Kate didn't really happen in the States until Hounds Of Love. [edit] Then people kept mentioning her name when they heard me sing, to the point where I finally went and got her records.
"I owned two [KB albums], which are of course "Hounds of Love" and the one after, "The Sensual World". I really love those two. Someone gave me "The Red Shoes", but then someone else stole it."
-- Tori; Attitude Magazine, Sept 2001
Doing the math and taking Tori at her word, it's possible that she'd heard of Kate by 1981 at the age of 18 (which would be the year Kate released her 3rd album). But it's more likely, per this quote, that her first Kate album was "Hounds Of Love" in 1985.
@robbjmc interesting reading but Alanis Morissette once said on a TV interview that 95% of what she reads about her is true the other 95% is totally wrong and I guess Tori suffers the same reporting. To be honest it's all irrelevent as I said before EVERY artist is influenced by someone and it is certainly nothing to be ashamed of as all so-called original artists like Hendrix are a hybrid of their influences.
Thanks so much I will def. check it out!! I did listen to a few songs on of Kate Bush on youtube. She has an interesting take on things. (Army Dreamers) I will be looking for more of her music.
eshellye wrote: I dont know who Kate Bush is, but Tori is my #1 femaile singer and has been for over 15 years... this is so beautiful I'd love to hear more of these 2 singing together.
I reply: Wow! I'd give an arm to be able to re-discover Kate Bush for the first time! I envy you all the great music you are in for if you decide to hear more. She has been (along with Joni Mitchell) a big influence for Tori. I recommend 1985's Hounds Of Love as a great initial album.
It's funny, but the first time I heard Tori Amos, I thought to myself, "she sounds a lot like Kate Bush". I began to follow Tori as well, and I think that she is a phenomenal talent as well.
Wow, this is just a wonderful 'duet' of sorts showcasing the similarities of two of my fav musical artists! Thank you so very much! Excellent, excellent video and artist commentary.
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Man, I'm a fan of Kate, Tori and U2 (yeh, weird mix, I know), but one thing those 3 artists have (unfortunately) in common is hyper-sensitive fans! Some verging on the manic! Scary!
Wish Kate would tour again, but maybe she'd be embarrassed (and a bit scared) of obsessive hyper-fans shouting out what they want/demand her to play/sing - hmmm, just like Tori's, but Tori copes pretty well...for now.
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u2mixer 1 week ago
I'm a fan of both women. I felt for awhile that Amos was influenced by Bush. But I feel it's coincidental really. They have such different styles. Bush is much more theatrical, and Amos is mainly a songstress, more folk or rock oriented. And Amos is much more straightforward, not as much a wordsmith as a storyteller. Ability? That's so subjective. Both are equal at what they do.
GaryALucas 2 weeks ago
Sorry but Tori's voice just ruins it for me...
ClariseChantal 1 month ago
Both Beautiful. Both Talented. Great Mashup.
46I37 2 months ago
Kate Bush recently ended an interview (with a dagger look) when Tori Amos was mentioned, so I doubt this is going to happen...... That said, I went to see Tori two weeks ago and she did a God/Running up that hill mashup which was nice to hear.....
So here's hoping....... :)
kman6969 2 months ago
@kman6969 Kate Bush has only done phone interviews for quite some time now, so did she describe the "dagger look" or are you just making shit up?
bobbyatomic 1 month ago
@bobbyatomic Are you Kate Bush's manager? If so, I'll check my sources, otherwise pipe down. I read that in either 'Q' or 'The Sunday Times at the time of 'pi''....I can't quite remember. If I had known that, at some point in the future some muppet was going to pull me up on it, I would've paid more attention(and probably kept the article). Next time you're talking to Kate Bush, try to clarify that for me. Cheers.
kman6969 1 month ago
@kman6969 so you're just making shit up then.
bobbyatomic 1 month ago
@bobbyatomic Seriously fella, what would I have to gain by making such a thing up.... These are two of my favourite artists. No one would be happier to see them collaborate than I.
Unfortunately, that isn't likely to happen...unless something has changed in the interim.
kman6969 1 month ago
@kman6969 Ah. It is from 2005. And there was no "dagger look." I have that interview. It was done over the phone for Q, and the interviewer asked Kate who her favorite performers of the last 20 years were. Before she'd had much of a chance to answer, he threw out Tori's name and she was momentarily silent...and then he withdrew the question and they both giggled a bit. She never committed one way or the other, and as it was a phone interview, any "dagger look" has to be greatly assumed.
robbjmc 1 month ago 2
@robbjmc Ooops Sorry, I didn't seee this earlier. Cheers for clearing this up. I cheerfully withdraw the 'dagger look' I must've recalled it wrong, but, I'm sure we'll agree, it doesn'tlook like any collaboration will be happening anytine soon...again thanks for your fair comments.
kman6969 1 month ago
@bobbyatomic Exactly. I've read every available interview (yes I know there are lots recently) and not one's asked her about Tori and put it in print since 2005. Not one. There are lots of mentions of Florence and the Machine though, and as always, Kate says something like "I don't know if it's true that I've been influential, but it's nice to think that I have..."
robbjmc 1 month ago
@kman6969 chill no daggers false un fans make shit up thx repent loveugodbless tj kabbalah matthewsheaprd madonnalicious
KabbalahWestCoast 1 month ago
@kman6969 Where did you get the information about this "dagger look"? Because I am aware of exactly two interviews in which Tori is mentioned to Kate Bush and she's been fairly evasive, but nice about it. She's known for smiling at dumb questions until interviewers simply retract them by asking another. I don't think a "dagger look" ever happened.
robbjmc 1 month ago
@robbjmc I honestly wish I had never passed comment on this (as I'm a big fan of both). But I remember reading it, having a bit of a chuckle and showing it to my twinbrother and friend (one a huge Kate/Tori fan and the other, such a fan of Ms. Amos that his daughter, my niece, is called 'Tori') and they both remember it, but not exactly where it came from. I even asked them about it, without mentioning all this furore and they confirmed what I remember. I was genuinely not trolling....
kman6969 1 month ago
Kate has a son, about thirteen right now. Tori has a daughter, not much younger than him. When those kids grow up...
Oh, the strange fantasies that go through my head all day.
LadieBunny 2 months ago
I love these women, so hearing their voices together is amazing. Yeah they are different and are their own people but you all have to admit that they both have loads of talent.
TsuchiEnkou 2 months ago
tori sucks ... kate kicks ass...
ENEMENCIO123VISION 3 months ago
@ENEMENCIO123VISION lol you suck very much troll
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ENEMENCIO123VISION 3 months ago
not a copycat. kate doesn't own 'musical artist with piano.'
is every man with a guitar a copycat of the first Man With Guitar?
they are both amazing artists and have their own styles. there are similarities, yes, but anyone that thinks tori is a 'copy' must not know very much about music.
absolutlaw 3 months ago 3
I think that ALL OF You ARE Weird!!
I got into both Tori & Kate within the same week, just as Tori's Earthquaks album was published! I thought that it was kinda strange that these 2 girls names were All of a Sudden erupting all around me.. Within a month I started readintg about this bullshit about did Tori "Copy" Kate or not.. The answer is NO!! We can only hope that Tori in all of her Genious was actually Influenced by Kate.. Which I am sure that she was!! = QUIT GRIPING..
silhuette66 3 months ago
@SteamFanHannover Your mom is a stalker of Kate Bush
dudecosta 3 months ago 4
@SteamFanHannover Wow you're probably the stupdiest person I've seen on Youtube in a while Congratulations.
robobrow 3 months ago 3
@SteamFanHannover lol the only people I hear comparing Tori to Kate Bush are fanatics like you. Well you say that Tori Amos copies Kate Bush, but let me ask you something. Has Kate Bush ever made a song like Professional Widow, where Tori blends different musical styles like Blues, Rock, and classical among others while playing on a harpsichord? Has Kate ever written an rock/electronica song about her experiences with her miscarriage like Tori Amos has?
ChaoticxShadows 3 months ago 4
wow..
createrainbowz 4 months ago
what were u thinking of mate. These 2 are lovely singers seperate but this duet is so not happening as in different keys!>good effort but....NO!
TunaVincent 4 months ago
Just dreaming I'm in between those two women when they come together in this 'song'. Great tx
olcapolca 4 months ago
this is so beautifull!
allpreciousthings 5 months ago
The reason I started to like Tori yrs.ago was because I thought she sounded passionate like Kate.I've seen all of Tori's concerts tours except one.
meowsy11 5 months ago
@vishiquals Yes.
YesImACunt 5 months ago
I love them both, but Tori has been my number one for ten years! ;)
ArtsLover12 6 months ago
I tried to love this but I can't. Love Tori and Kate both, and happy to see that people value a woman's soprano voice today, and not just The Sopranos! *lol*
But anyway, would Tori like this? In the past she didn't like being compared to other artists any more than they liked comparisons. If I had to compare anyone vocally to Kate, it would be roughly Loreena McKennit - check her out if you like Kate's Gaelic stuff!
LighteningStrikes2ys 6 months ago
impressed
fairynuff4 6 months ago
@noclassatall spliced and spiced. :)
robbjmc 6 months ago 3
Kate Bush and Tori Amos really can't be compared - they are just not on the same level. I find Kate Bush's music to be quite intricate and advanced - more theatrical. But I am a huge fan of both singers.
mariannedunn 7 months ago 4
I'm not a Tori Amos fan, but that doesn't mean we have to trash her for not being on Kate Bush's level. Who is? Still, I can see why this video pisses off Kate Bush fans especially. It's as though the creator of the video is equating the voices and talents of the two women. And sorry, but they're not equals nor do their voices go together. Their two voices together here don't sound like a single piece of music. It just sounds disjointed and annoying.
niched1 7 months ago
The best girls in the Music ever :D
MrSamiitho 7 months ago
Was Kate Bush influenced by Lynsey De Paul and Minnie Riperton, vocally?
rhinocall 7 months ago
Was Kate Bush influenced by Lynsey De Paul and Minnie Riperton, vocally?
rhinocall 7 months ago
This is beautiful! Two of the best voices, and they blend so well!
AnneloesF 7 months ago
I think Kate Bush is a bit too english for America. Whatever that means. I had tried several times to really get into her music and videos, and something stops me when I just about to embrace her as one of my own music icons. A talented artist. One of the best performers. No doubt! And all this fights about who's better, is just plain silly. I love Tori to death. And if what some die hard Kate's fans say: that Tori's a copycat of Kate's work, well, I would be loving her equally. But I can't.
vivelavidarocka 7 months ago
Nightmare!
Unclemoparman 8 months ago
Smashing. The more I listen to this, the more I like it.
77furnival 8 months ago
Doesn't this video confirm that Tori Amos based her whole career on Kate Bush?!
WilburyVision 8 months ago
@WilburyVision Please. This again? If you don't see how Kate Bush and Tori Amos are two completely different, original artists who happen to both be female pianists and who cater to a largely overlapping crowd, you need to buy new hearing aids and glasses. Can we all just agree that we love good music and be done with this inane discussion?
Mitholas 8 months ago
@Mitholas Can you recommend a good opticians?! You have to admit that the way this video is edited does show how close TA was to KB. Do you think it was simply co-incidence and TA had no idea that KB got there first?! Yes, of course, TA was a completely different original artist to Kate lol.
WilburyVision 8 months ago
@WilburyVision I can recomment LensOnline, though it depends where you are. This video mashes together two a capella tracks. You can't really tell a whole lot of things. Both tracks are rather boring and quite possible some of the least good things both artists have done. A capella tracks are also not so much original to either of these women as something that happens when you have no music. Neither of them "got there first". Also, they're both alive&making music so talking past tense is creepy.
Mitholas 8 months ago
@Mitholas Well I will concede to your opinion - i do have to agree that both are talented artists, and although I do have a preference for Kate Bush over Tori, I would take an artist like Tori Amos anyday compared to some of the X Factor fodder that is peddled as good music in this day and age. Renthead 15's comment illustrates neatly that there is nothing new under the sun, and that even artists inspired by others can still themselves be inspiring! Go well.
WilburyVision 8 months ago
honey 4 the earz, both have a similar singing style. kool
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robbjmc 9 months ago 13
very cool mash up... their styles are similar, but Kate's voice is more classical sounding, and Tori's more modern...in my opinion at least.
neefafa 10 months ago
Strange. The more often I listen to it, the more I learn to appreciate this slightly disturbing harmony. It works - at least for me.
Foxnoxfox 10 months ago 2
Well I seen the likes of Kate Bush, and Van Morrison, teaching the parrot to sing...
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sunrise58176 10 months ago
I like it... a lot!
DebrasDilemma 10 months ago
!this duet is beautiful!
AWYMARI3HORN 10 months ago
stunning.......musically bold with a seamless flow of images, suiting the interweaving voices of two of the most talented female artists-in a genre of their own. an extremely intelligent production-provocative and intense. listening at 1:38 particularly....i sense Robb and Bryan know exactly what they are doing. daring and artistic-humble opinion? you nailed it......with a quirky sense of humour shown in the last image!
Trishanelle 10 months ago
I will no longer read youtube comments. Its all so ignorant.
PreciousEarthquakes2 10 months ago 3
I have nothing against Amos but seriously, comparing her to Kate Bush doesn't make any sense.
altar7 10 months ago
Tori Amos is not in the same league as Kate Bush.
freqeist 11 months ago 4
Guys, hear it from Tori's own mouth:
YouTube search for : "Tori Amos on being compared to Kate Bush"
This is her opinion, and it's a very understandable one. There are many differences between Tori and Kate... Let them be individuals okay?
It's a female thing, a piano thing, a similar production on a COUPLE songs that happen to use a female voice and PIANO thing. Tori said she was influenced by a LOT of artists, from 3 years of age guys. Tori has covered countless artists.
Let it go ...
robobrow 11 months ago 12
This is poorly mixed. Good try I guess.
: /
dminortheory 11 months ago
@FarewellBlackSwan Yet again, what a ridiculously untrue statement made by a dumb asshole such as yourself. Kate Bush wouldn't like you because of how much of a stupid bitch you are so stop sucking up to her and get a life.
soapgerms 1 year ago
Why can't people like more than one eccentric female artist who plays piano? It feels like there's a constant Tori vs. Kate war, when both of them are fantastic and should be celebrated equally for their amazing work.
wiresandwood 1 year ago 3
@wiresandwood I agree. Both make lovely music and are creative individiuals.
ChaoticxShadows 11 months ago
@FarewellBlackSwan Wow - If you think Tori's voice is bad, then I wonder what you think of people who ACTUALLY have bad voices.
wiresandwood 1 year ago
I love both of these women so much. I have to admit, I find Tori far superior vocally (Kate has a very interesting and unique voice, but it can be a tad grating at times), but that is just personal preference. I also find Tori's piano work far more intricate. They have entirely different writing styles, though - Kate is more theatrical and writes songs about other people and places, Tori's songs are more emotion-based and personal. Tori wins by a hair in my opinion, but I love them both to bits.
karalame 1 year ago
@karalame kates voice can be a tad grating at times ?, good grief what the hell hav you been listening to then
384kiwi 1 year ago
i prefer kate's voice - this is very nice
Glitterbomb222 1 year ago
I find this video interesting and very nice, i'm very fond of Bush and Amos and have been listening to both almost non stop recently.. its great to listen to both their vocal tones and idiosyncrasies in (non competitive) comparison.. the tracks merge together in a strange yet satisfying way...
oldfieldnut332 1 year ago
@robbjmc Frost and fire both burn ;)
Lastman0nEarth 1 year ago
why?
seanus4508 1 year ago
@seanus4508 Heh heh heh heh heh. Your name is seanus.
robbjmc 1 year ago 11
Kate Bush.
TheBigTrelawneyBand 1 year ago
I prefer Tori's voice.
muminfly 1 year ago
so few see the same so few appreciate well done a great mix kate was and is the one tori is ace
margysan 1 year ago
love Kate - in a class of her own...can't stand Amos. all that coy posturing on stage and the shrillness in her voice make me shudder...would rather hear nails on a chalkboard
flooberbloob 1 year ago
Beautiful, and beautifully done!
OrenLovesTori 1 year ago
@robbjmc frost and fire both started with F
baronbuttocks2 1 year ago
Kate Bush has a better voice.
russianroulette4you 1 year ago
This mash-up is one of the most beautiful pieces of music I've ever heard. That being said, the comments are off the wall. Some imply Tori has copied Kate her entire career. By that logic, Regina Spektor must not be able to perform either, eh? Or Fiona Apple. Or PJ Harvey. There aren't enough female singer-songwriters anyway. Let's just enjoy the artists we have, shall we?
renthead15 1 year ago 42
@renthead15 Tori herself has said that Kate Bush was one of her greatest influences. That said, I think sometimes Tori's music is a bit more "skilled," as it were. But that's probably because whereas Kate Bush had no formal training, Tori Amos did attend the Peabody Conservatory from age 5 to age 10 - until she got kicked out for playing by ear! ROFL.
pandorawombat 1 year ago
This comment has received too many negative votes show
TORI WAS LADY GAGA....BEFORE GAGA ACTUALLY STARTED :):)
kimburruss 1 year ago
@kimburruss
Before u say that, look up Missing Persons & Dale Bozzio.
MarcusDarling4026 1 year ago
@kimburruss you obviously have no f*ck'n clue what ur talk'n about! Love the Tori support, but gaga should never , can never be in the same sentence with Tori. Totally different sounds,talent and heart!!!!!!
msladygem76 11 months ago
@kimburruss Try Cher and Madonna...they are closer to GagGag than Amos.
cmdraven 4 months ago
Tori Amos and Kate Bush's voices are actually totally different, though their production is similar and aspects of the song-writing too.
Don't know what Tori Amos' song is here but it doesn't fit with She moved through the Fair at all!
andiejanefisher 1 year ago
@andiejanefisher Good. Because the Kate song isn't "She Moved Through The Fair."
robbjmc 1 year ago 14
Thank You ladies! I feel better now. Almost feel good. That's the power of good music, I guess.
LukasFin 1 year ago
Slow interviews, over-analyzing Nirvana... But even if she comes across that way, I know she's genuine.. Or maybe its the wig... The "characters"... Yet on EVERY album, even BK, I appreciate songs... There's always that ONE song that gets me , just like before... Hell, maybe she's more abstract and out of touch to some... But so what? Everyone changes... If it comes full circle and we get that "old Tori" that everyone wants so bad... personally I'm grateful for what we got in the first place.
robobrow 1 year ago
sickofwaitingtables... It's cool, sorry about the "idiotic" comment... It's just text so let's just chill.
I honestly don't get the pretentious thing though... I think she's a lot more "thoughful" about how she expresses herself, and maybe a little to out-there, and maybe comes across to some as pseudo-intelligent... But anyone who knows and follows Tori's comments/thoughts throughout the years, and especially her music, know how down-to-earth she can be, even when she's high as a kite.
robobrow 1 year ago
By the way, "stealing the show" was tongue-in-cheek... But I guess it would have taken more than one skim-through-without-responding-with-idiocy for you to get that. You're responding to a post from months ago as if I was attacking Kate Bush. I said a LOT of Kate Bush fans are putting Tori Amos and her music down on this page for really, no reason. There's no reason for comparison, you take away from both artists with the generalizations. The next time you reply, please have some substance.
robobrow 1 year ago
@robobrow I disagree that "there's no reason for comparison." Why wouldn't you compare and contrast two artists in any medium? It takes away nothing and has made me appreciate both Kate and Tori even more than I already had.
Also, I've no idea if you're addressing me or not, because if I responded to a months-old post, I likely responded to it months ago. What there's no need for here (no matter whom you're targeting) is the word "idiocy" just because someone disagrees with you. Keep it civil.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robobrow I've since looked and see you are debating someone named sickofwaitingtables. Sorry for assuming it was me, you have a similar name to someone else who has also been posting recently.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc it's cool... I'm definitely not talking to you :J
This person's going around calling people obnoxious and picking fights with people she doesn't even know. I'm sorry, but I do think it's kind of idiotic... I mean what's the point, except that she wants to cause some drama on YouTube.
She was responding to me pointing out that when someone else said that Tori Amos "loses" by sheer output, I said well... That's not very true considering just the enormous body of work she has...
robobrow 1 year ago
I mean she responded to a post I made 6 months ago defending Tori from someone saying that Kate "wins" over Tori by sheer output... All I did was list the enormous body of work Tori has... We're talking like 200 songs... And I personally can't say that I don't adore, or at least like 85% of them... Like I've said before, the people making most of the comparisons are Kate Bush fans... And most of these comparisons are negative towards Tori... I wouldn't visit this page as much if not so, sadly.
robobrow 1 year ago
@robobrow Well, I dunno that you can assume that it's Kate fans. If you've been to any Tori forum lately (and I am constantly on a few), the reaction to her recent work has been incendiary. They somewhat affectionately call her Fori (fake Tori) and hope that the real deal (LE / UTP-era Tori) will come back. Tori fans can ABSOLUTELY be obnoxious, to other fans and Tori alike.
My personal take? I LOVE Scarlet. I think it's one of her best. And MG is great. I'm only a mild fan of ADP, TB and AATS.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc Oh yeah I agree about "those" Tori fans... Tried the whole forum thing for about a week... They talk about an artist as if they own her... Or really know her... It's just some weird contest on the internet. I loved Scarlett's Walk too.. REALLY grew on me. Beekeeper is kinda bleh... ADP is neat, and I think AATS, well about half of it is some REALLY awesome songs and some whitewash... But no one can agree on which songs are good and which suck... Personally I love starling.
robobrow 1 year ago
@robobrow I love Starling too...a great song with a cool effect to kick it off. I wish she'd do more in the vein of that one.
robbjmc 1 year ago
Really, I find it hard that a fan of either artist is as immature as you are.
robobrow 1 year ago
@robobrow
Actually, I AM a Tori fan. I'm also a fan of Kate. But upon reading Tori's "biography" or whatever, Piece by Piece, I found her to be pretentious, abrasive, and ungrateful to her fans. Kate has always seemed very approachable and down-to-earth. Not one of her albums struck a wrong chord with her fans.
Every music review or profile I've read about Tori likens her to Kate. If most professional music critics claim that she "sounds a lot like Kate Bush", chances are, she does.
sickofwaitingtables 1 year ago
@sickofwaitingtables
Therefore, I don't think she's "stealing the show", because Kate has already garnered renown and made a name for herself. I think what she's doing is more, let's say, "picking up where Kate Bush left off".
sickofwaitingtables 1 year ago
@sickofwaitingtables For a "Tori Amos fan" you sure don't sound at all like a Tori Amos fan... Really, I don't know any fans of Tori that talk about her the way you do... So please drop that bullshit at the door... And I'm sorry, she doesn't sound like Kate Bush... She sounds like Tori Amos.
robobrow 1 year ago
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sickofwaitingtables 1 year ago
@sickofwaitingtables I'm a fan of Tori as well and what you've said makes sense to me. In my opinion Tori is terrific but Kate is legendary. Kate kicked down doors so that Tori and a host of other arists could walk through them after her. I find Kate to be the better songwriter and the superior lyricist, but Tori is incredibly talented and I enjoy listening to her music. I feel no need to choose one or the other,
musime 1 year ago 3
@musime : I agree that Kate Bush paved the way for Tori (and others), but I have a difference in preference of vocal sound and song writing. But that's just me. I'm sure plenty of others would disagree with me too. Ha, ha.
cashetkate 1 year ago
'A lot of influences have been responsible for the way i am' -KateBush Every one is influenced by other artists. Kate is a genius. But others are great too, and Tori is quite amazing.
robi2000 1 year ago
Erm... My Lagan Love wasn't Kate Bush's song either, now was it?
RadioNul 1 year ago
@RadioNul No, it's an old traditional song, though the lyrics were re-written by her brother. And your point is...what exactly?
robbjmc 1 year ago
Tori is just carrying the flame of the burning BUSH-
kjsongster 1 year ago
Tori who?
MmeDesgranges 1 year ago
Tori fans are so obnoxious. I'm ashamed to be one. Whenever I've engaged one in an "is Tori Amos a knock-off of Kate Bush" debate, they always resort to canned responses such as, "Did Kate invent falsetto?" or "Was Kate the first person to play the piano?" It's just exhausting to debate it. Just admit that they sound similar sonically, and that Kate is an ORIGINAL. I'm a Tori fan, and I can say that nothing she has done has been wholly original. I'm a much bigger fan of Kate ;)
sickofwaitingtables 1 year ago
singing, lol.
mreunome 1 year ago
Good point about Benatar...except that she discovered "Wuthering Heights" while on her first tour through Europe in 1979 (she and her husband wrote the liner notes for a 3-CD retrospective and mention first hearing it there).
It was certainly possible to hear of Kate Bush in the states in 1978 - 79...but again, she was not played on the radio and there was no MTV, so it was unlikely. Why not take Tori's quotes into consideration? She has said several times she'd heard about Kate in the mid-80s.
robbjmc 1 year ago
Yes, they sometimes sound similiar but that's it. Their music is totally different. They both have beautiful voices. I suppose in 79-80 Pat Benatar never heard of Kate Bush either that's why she was sining Wuthering Heights . . . lol.
mreunome 1 year ago
I'm not arguing with you about Kate's influence (and I hope you don't think I'm arguing with you at all). To be clear, though, these quotes are from Tori herself and she's been quoted several times, giving the same timeframe.
I'm not sure why you'd think Tori had to have heard of Kate in 1979. Other than a spot on SNL (in which she did not sing WH), Kate was unknown here, no charting singles, no videos on MTV, no tour, no ads...her 2nd and 3rd LPs weren't even released here until after her 4th.
robbjmc 1 year ago
Tori is rubbish, she should do her onw thing.. and leave Kate's !!!
Stealing will always let her stay in Kate's shadow, she can't compare.
Kate rules !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
lunamondo 1 year ago
@lunamondo I am very dubious about this so-called duet, to me it sounds mixed. I have never heard of the two doing a duet together so I guess it is someone's clever handy work? As for Tori being rubbish, come on be fair. True lovers of music follow music for what it is so it's bollocks when people say such things. ...reminds me of the Blur Oasis battle, total shite, they were both good bands as Kate and Tori are great individual talented artists
TalkToTheBody 1 year ago
@TalkToTheBody As far as I know, they have never met, much less done a duet (though if you read the quote from Tori following the video, you'll see that she, at least, is open to it). This is a mashup created by me in iMovie. I put the word "duet" in quotes in the title to clue listeners in.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc well as i did suspect it was a fake duet for want of a better word it was interesting to listen to and cleverly done
TalkToTheBody 1 year ago
Goodness me, I love them both so much. The pictures of Kate and Tori when they were younger are just too adorable.
sickofwaitingtables 1 year ago
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sickofwaitingtables 1 year ago
This is brilliant. :O
LemonCake07 1 year ago
Beautiful Duet!
AWYMARI3HORN 1 year ago
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bgfd1 1 year ago
K A T E B U S H
T O R I A M O S
mecotterill 1 year ago
that sounded so cool....like holeh crap..that was awesome.
1foreversedated1 1 year ago
i never thought of comparing the 2. What they both hit high notes now and then? Maybe it's a female thing
robi2000 1 year ago
@robi2000 It is a female thing. And a piano thing. And a similar production thing. And a similar art-rock image thing. And a similar voice thing. And a similar album covers thing. And a Tori-now-says-she-was-influenced thing. And a Tori-sometimes-plays-Kate-songs-in-concert thing. But other than those things, I can't figure it out either.
robbjmc 1 year ago 17
@robbjmc good point. Tell me which Kate song 'cornflake girl' sounds like
robi2000 1 year ago
@robi2000 Thanks! They were all good points, if I do say so myself, but I don't see "every Tori song sounds like a Kate song" among them. Hmmm, better go look. Nope, I never said that, although I will say that the "peel out the watchword/you bet your life it is" sections of "Cornflake Girl" sound a lot like Kate's voice in any number of songs, and the abrupt change of both tempo and melody are very reminiscent of many Kate songs (like "There Goes A Tenner" for one). Thanks for posting!
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc hmm, well, comparing both artists based on elements they use in different songs is pretty lame. Bottom line is, the end products mean/sound very different.
And FYI Tori played 2 lines from Kate because it was one of the requests she got from her fans. She does that sometimes because she can improvise (another thing that sets them far apart).
IF they'd been THAT similar, one would think that RUTH would sound at least a bit similar. It sounded absolutely new.
EmmJupiter 1 year ago
It's your opinion that "comparing artists...is lame." I actually find contrasting their work fascinating because they're both so great at what they do. It's an exercise in getting to know them both better. It's also your opinion that they sound so completely different...most of the comments below disagree, and so do I.
Also, Tori has played "RUTH" a few times -- a few lines in "Love Song" but more prominently as a mashup with "God." She's also performed "And Dream Of Sheep" in its entirety.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc "I actually find contrasting their work fascinating..." Me too. I don't have a problem comparing Tori & Kate. I just find it a bit pathetic to base those comparisons on "Tori has a similar voice. She's such a fake" or "Tori plays the piano, like Kate" or "Tori writes about religion. So did Kate". All of which both artists had very little (or no) say in. Basing your proof of "forging" on the colors used in a painting rather than the end result sounds - to me- a bit dense.
EmmJupiter 1 year ago
@EmmJupiter I never said any of those things. If you wish to direct vitriol at the person who did say those things, take your pick from the many below. But I don't believe that Tori is a fake or a rip-off. I also don't believe that the similarities are limited to "plays piano" or "sings soprano." It does not speak well of your intentions here that you must either misquote me or simplify a list I've written down to one or two things. Calling me "dense!" Be more constructive, or get blocked.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc "Be more constructive, or get blocked" ooh PLEASE DON'T BLOCK ME. Whatever will i do if that happens?! :D
Grow up, it's just a debate. And it honestly wasn't my intention to call YOU dense. Just that manner of comparison.
But basing your "proof" of Tori's similarity to Kate on her voice sounding like Kate when she says"blablabla" MIGHT suggest that you tend to focus on rather trivial elements in a song.
Don't get me wrong, it's interesting to know. But there's so much more to songs...
EmmJupiter 1 year ago
@EmmJupiter It MIGHT suggest that, if that were the only "proof" I've provided. And you MIGHT actually confront someone who is arguing the point rather than me (apparently, the only way my mashup can be received by you is as an argument for copying).
If you were to keep referring to only *one* of many comments I've made, it also MIGHT suggest that you didn't have a leg to stand on & an axe to grind. Sarcasm MIGHT also suggest that, but...I'm busy, I'm tired of you, and your wish is my command.
robbjmc 1 year ago
To tackle another point on your list: I think it's a photographer's job to produce the album-cover. The singer just gives an idea of what the theme is... (at least that's what Tori does with her vids).
It's hard for me to believe that she'd willingly/blatantly copy Kate's album cover. I actually remember hearing her say she hadn't known about Kate's cover.
Abrupt changes in tempo: Composers have been doing that since the 19th century.
EmmJupiter 1 year ago
@robbjmc "Tori has played "RUTH"...more prominently as a mashup with "God.""
If by "prominently" you mean she sang 2-3 lines, then, yes. She basically sang the chorus.
I've not heard "dream of sheep" by either artist before. I'll go check it out. And even before hearing it, i'm pretty sure both versions are going to be VERY different.
EmmJupiter 1 year ago
You sound like you have a chip on your shoulder, and I've no idea why. Of course they'll sound different (although only somewhat so in the case of "And Dream Of Sheep.") They are sung in different settings by different artists...one of whom is *intending* to make it sound different. No one ever said otherwise. The point of bringing up cover songs is that Tori is -- graciously, in my opinion -- paying homage to Kate. That's it. No need for all the huffing and puffing.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc ' a female thing .And a piano thing' ?
robi2000 1 year ago
@robi2000 I was quoting another post...the rest of that message, though (which you didn't quote) was all mine.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc Actually, as it turns out...the person I was quoting was YOU. So your point was...what, exactly?
robbjmc 1 year ago
may as well be the same person
ILLER121 1 year ago
Kate Bush = Goddess.
Tori Amos = Hack.
maxcohen13 1 year ago
Whys Tori copied kate bush!!!!! KATE BUSH IS WAAAAAAAAAAAAAY BETTER!!!!!!! <3 xxxxxxxxxxxx
xNaomixChanx 1 year ago
this song is perfect because it's short and simple, and you get to hear two of the most beautiful voices of all time, as they are.
TheAcidQueen95 1 year ago
suprisingly good
lombmusic07 1 year ago
2 voci fantastiche!!!
MaXiMoAcE85 1 year ago
I love both Kate and Tori to DEATH, and I'm tired of comparison, but here's my input: I think Kate has a better voice. It's more distinct, and she has a better range. BUT, Tori also has a great voice. Both use their voice to convey their emotion so well, and they both are unique in that they aren't afraid to let their voices get a little "ugly" sometimes. They both use variety in their voice. However, Tori, I find, is a better pianist and songwriter. That's just my opinion, though.
IridiumNItrate 1 year ago
Oh, confound the blasphemy. If they're so distinct, how'd we lengthen to 1,200 contentions as to how incomparable they uniquely are? Personally, Kate's red headed stepchi-KIDDINGGG!!!! Juuust kiddin. =] Tori Amos is delicous'n plays like a dream(ing-jk). But 2B trite, it's not the crime, it's the cover-up. We're not talkin biting, here. We're talkin devour, sate, regurgitate. But imitation is what? Bjork suffered no backlash: she owned it. Tori's first denial became a stone around her leg. =/
LincolnLLoyd 1 year ago
with all due respect kate bush slays all-comers, just too bloody good and way too original. the song "breathing" alone should make her an all time great, but she's got so much more than that. if tori amos left it 12 years to make a record and then returned with no fanfare, tour or interviews you wouldn't even know it had happened. kate bush, no problem she could leave it 20 years till the next one and the world would wait with baited breath. that's great art ! thats kate bush !!
culturalvibes1 1 year ago
Seperated at birth, if you ask me.
TheAdultChild101 1 year ago
I love Tori and I've never heard of Kate Bush before, but I also think she is amazing just listening to her music, which I'm now discovering. Was Tori's style influenced by Kate Bush? I've been listening to Tori for 15 years and I notice that their music is similar.
rommelandlori8179 1 year ago
There is a similar sound to their voices and to some degree, their music, and Tori was definitely "blown away" by Kate Bush when she first heard her in the mid-80s. However, their songwriting is actually very different.
The comparisons began when Tori and Atlantic Records released her first two albums with cover photos that mirrored Kate album covers pretty closely. They launched Tori in the UK, and the similarity of the photos and her new stripped-down sound worked very well for "Earthquakes."
robbjmc 1 year ago
However, Tori resisted (and probably resented) the oft-mentioned comparison and began to distance herself from Kate's influence even when the similarity was most apparent (the first two solo albums).
Whatever that initial issue might've been (and who likes to constantly hear that they sound like someone else), Tori's moved on. She now plays a few Kate songs in concert, as a tip of the hat to her, and has spoken very well of her in interviews (see the latest quote following the video at 2:08 ).
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc mid 80's ????? I can assure you Tori ust have heard of her well before then. Kate released Wuthering Heights way back in Jan 1978 when she (Kate) was just 19 years old. I remember her performing it live on Pebble Mill at One daytime TV Show and was blown away.
TalkToTheBody 1 year ago
@TalkToTheBody I assume from the mention of Pebble Mill that you are from the UK, where Kate has been ubiquitous since day one. Tori is from the US, where Kate has had only one charting hit: "Running Up That Hill," which only made it to number 30 in 1985.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc not quite sure what you are getting at here. Kate has been ubiquitous?? you mean kate has been everywhere as that's what the word means. Not quite sure what your point is. Yes I am English. Kate left the music spotlight years ago, not sure why but I guess she had her reasons, touring is not easy and the music industry at the time were very selective shall we say and radio was very controlled.
TalkToTheBody 1 year ago
I was responding to your idea that Tori had heard of Kate Bush before the mid-80s. But that's not necessarily true. Kate was huge (ubiquitous) in the UK starting in '78, but did not make any inroads into the States until 1985 (when "Running Up That Hill" was a modest hit). It's not just possible, but very probable that Tori did not know of Kate until '85. But that's still a good three years prior to any Tori release, and it's my opinion that Tori's early career was noticeably influenced by Kate.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc quite possibly, but given the huge talent Tori possessed on making Little Earthquakes she was no beginner and any decent artist with that level of talent would have had their ear firmly to the ground as every artist be it actor, musician, motor racing driver, footballer areall influenced by someone and if comparisons are still being made with Kate Bush then I would probably say Tori had her finger on the pulse to the days of wuthering heights. I guess only Tori herself knows.
TalkToTheBody 1 year ago
Two quotes from Tori on the subject:
"I'll never forget the first time I heard about Kate. I was playing in a club, I was 18 or 19 and somebody came up to me, pointed their finger and said, Kate Bush. I went, 'Who's that?'. I wasn't really familiar because Kate didn't really happen in the States until Hounds Of Love. [edit] Then people kept mentioning her name when they heard me sing, to the point where I finally went and got her records.
-- Tori; Q Magazine, May 1998
robbjmc 1 year ago
and...
"I owned two [KB albums], which are of course "Hounds of Love" and the one after, "The Sensual World". I really love those two. Someone gave me "The Red Shoes", but then someone else stole it."
-- Tori; Attitude Magazine, Sept 2001
Doing the math and taking Tori at her word, it's possible that she'd heard of Kate by 1981 at the age of 18 (which would be the year Kate released her 3rd album). But it's more likely, per this quote, that her first Kate album was "Hounds Of Love" in 1985.
robbjmc 1 year ago
@robbjmc interesting reading but Alanis Morissette once said on a TV interview that 95% of what she reads about her is true the other 95% is totally wrong and I guess Tori suffers the same reporting. To be honest it's all irrelevent as I said before EVERY artist is influenced by someone and it is certainly nothing to be ashamed of as all so-called original artists like Hendrix are a hybrid of their influences.
TalkToTheBody 1 year ago
Thanks so much I will def. check it out!! I did listen to a few songs on of Kate Bush on youtube. She has an interesting take on things. (Army Dreamers) I will be looking for more of her music.
eshellye 1 year ago
eshellye wrote: I dont know who Kate Bush is, but Tori is my #1 femaile singer and has been for over 15 years... this is so beautiful I'd love to hear more of these 2 singing together.
I reply: Wow! I'd give an arm to be able to re-discover Kate Bush for the first time! I envy you all the great music you are in for if you decide to hear more. She has been (along with Joni Mitchell) a big influence for Tori. I recommend 1985's Hounds Of Love as a great initial album.
robbjmc 1 year ago 3
It's funny, but the first time I heard Tori Amos, I thought to myself, "she sounds a lot like Kate Bush". I began to follow Tori as well, and I think that she is a phenomenal talent as well.
NelsonStJames 1 year ago
Two very unique artists operating on the same wave length.
ALPQZM654 1 year ago
Wow, this is just a wonderful 'duet' of sorts showcasing the similarities of two of my fav musical artists! Thank you so very much! Excellent, excellent video and artist commentary.
mariandelochs 1 year ago 2