Defending Islam? WTF??? Responding to TheTruePooka

[iondetox]

People they are are killing us all. Have you looked up in the sky? Do you see these long trails left by geoengineers? If they get their way we will be dead soon. Aluminum is a heavy metal and builds up over time causing neurological damage. We are seeing over 3000 ppmillion in plants we eat, 15ppbillion will alter DNA and cause genetic mutations or cancer. So we have a truely evil enemy to challange, sadly it does come from the US, we are trying to stop this and apologize to the Muslim world

[Poodleinacan]

Haha, Pooka is such a dumbass on that video

[HeoCon811]

muslims actually have the balls to claim Jesus was one of them. Not to mention they say "the story of satan being an angel was made up by christians". Satan was an angel, and that was in Hebrew legend. The very religion that inspire Mo' to write his islamic Twilight. That pedo didn't even bother paying for the copyright -_-

[ahmedeox]

Pooka is a moron. Muslims in the US might be 1%...but the muslims that crashed into the WTC were not from the US. True, that 1% probably should not be feared, it's the other million muslim fundamentalists that should be feared.

[Kimikimer]

Why do you make lots of Videos about Islam? You are obsessed.

[shakespearerules]

6:45 - 7:48 To be fair, Christians believes the same things, especially all those things in the side bar--women are to submit to men (I Tim 2:11-14), gays/witches/nonbelievers are to be put to death (Lev. 20:13, Ex. 22:17, 2 Chron, 15:12-13), Jesus/God is King of Kings and Lord of Lords, and he will come back to rule over the entire world (Rev. 11:15, 17:14), etc. Where do you think Islam got those ideas from?

Christianity and Islam are both dangerous for the exact same reasons.

[Joniversity]

@shakespearerules All religions are a problem. But while Christianity and Judaism managed to reform and adapt and live with modern values - Islam did not - quite the opposite actually.

[sadakokimono]

@Joniversity I'm not so sure about that--Jews and Christians reformed and adapted, but I don't think Judaism and Christianity did. When the Bible is followed to the letter, you get the Westboro Baptist Church and people who bomb abortion clinics, just as how when the Quran is followed to the letter, you get Fundamentalist Muslims. I think if the WBC had the sort of political power that Fundie Muslims have in their own countries, you'd see more violence and Inquisition-like behavior from them.

[mjh012363]

It would be kinda ridiculous for Evangelicals to seek to start a nuclear war since they believe it's not possible until AFTER the rapture when they're suppose to be outta here don't you think.

[DanishGreatDane]

Part2: Fascism in our western world don't exist. Fascism is about extreme Communal-feeling, you have your european society and if you don't help to spread European Blood - you are Dead... i know that we are ruled from Multiculturists/Capitalists. Left/Right don't mean anything, and here is why: "liberals" trash only Moderate conservatives, you remain silent if you see ultraconservative black retards killing gays. Your Mentality is based on MultiCulti Brainwashing. I blame Capitalsim for that

[DanishGreatDane]

Fascism is Ancient Model of Union. Summerians, Romans and Italic/Latin tribes had the Fashion of Unity between people, based on Common Goal: from Imperialist goal to Ethnic Cleansing... Fascism is best described from American Nihilist Society. Communism is pro-closed borders and against gay rights. Show me ONE, just One "extremist-left" commie regime which tolerated Immigrants... zero. German Democratic Republic had zero immigrants and zero mainstream gays. Debunk this...You are Capitalist sheep

[DanishGreatDane]

@TheElMoIsEviL very funny... you ignore that being Anti-Free Market is about Regulations. Right and Left wing, are not that important - because Americans/Canadians are ruled from Corporations, and they (capitalist elite) sponsor only the leftists. Consumerists are dumb, for less than 1 year - people forgot about 9/11, forgot that Democrats funded KKK, That Republicans from Ireland get asslicking from "leftists" in USA... american people are Dumb, just like you. u trash Christian Individuals btw

[mysticdrechsler]

@TheElMoIsEviL defnding Muslims is not the same as defending Islam.

Not all of those who call themselves Muslims practice Islam. Those Muslims who truly follow the teachings of the quran with the commands to kill the unbelievers, beat their wives are the dangerous ones.

A lot of so called Muslims are passive Muslims.

There is ZERO reason to defend Islam.

[Kurtlane]

TheTruePooka, like practically all leftists, is anti-American. Christians, particularly Evangelical, etc. AS HE PERCEIVES THEM, are part of America. So he opposes them. Musluims, AS HE PERCEIVES THEM, are not American (even if they and their parents were born and lived their whole lives here). Or more importantly (and again, AS HE PERCEIVES THEM) are anti-American. So he excuses them.

The human ape is made to love us and hate them. It's all just a matter of how one defines us and them.

[TheTruePooka]

Hey Joniversity; I forgot to mention - I will probably not deal with Dispensationalism in that response. I've actually spent some time researching it and like you point out it's a fairly vast & complicated topic and probably would need a separate series to address properly.

[JulianThePhilosopher]

Islam only recently has been an ally of the left. In the last great war between left and right, the spanish civil war. Franco's moors played a big part in defeating the anarchist/soliacist/commnist. Which gives meaning to the phrase "there are no permanenet allies, only permanent interests..

[Wes964]

I'm a left wing atheist, and I tend to agree with you. There's a big difference between attacking Muslims and attacking Islam. I'll stand up for the rights of Muslims--That's why I criticized Pat Condell when he advocated denying Muslims their first amendment rights. But I have nothing good to say about Islam as a religion. The beliefs advocated by Islam are backwards, bigoted, and superstitious, and I see no reason to defend them.

[AtheistMidget]

Muslims are not children. Muslim can take criticism, all these political correct atheists do not need to be such a pseudo-soldiers of allah.

And just because there are many crazy christians dosent mean that Islam is okay.

Treating muslims as you would treat christians and everybody else is the most humane thing you could do.

[Joniversity]

@AtheistMidget Right on!

[4Ugrunt]

@AtheistMidget I remember watching huge Islamic protests about the cartoon renditions of the prophet and Muslims do get upset when a preacher in Florida threatens to burn the koran. I don't see the christian equivalent of getting upset by bible burning. I don't agree with koran burning but I don't agree with getting too upset about it either. As a whole I don't think Muslims take criticism well at all. I think overall your comment is good.

[ymic83]

As long as a religion isn't forcing you to do things you don't want to do I don't see a reason to oppose it.

That's just what I think and I could be misunderstanding the whole concept.

[Joniversity]

@ymic83 BTW, did you see my "Jewish State - WTF???" video? If not then take a look, i kind of encapsulate the entire thing there.

[ymic83]

@Joniversity

I understand why your upset with the religious system.

I agree something has to be done to suit everyone.

But don't forget that people besides secular Jews fought in the IDF.

I am a religious Jew and I fought in the IDF and do miluim as do many others.

But a majority of the people here support that they want Jewish tradition to be held (about 70% and rising every year).

But that doesn't mean we cant help people that don't support the current system.

[ymic83]

@Joniversity

I just saw your video and I think that knows history as much as I know astrophysics.

I have been saying for a long time that in fact we aren't Jews, we are Israeliites.

The term Jews was used when there was the first diaspora and the Jews that stayed were in Judea.

But they didn't throw away the bible, in fact the mishna was written to help understand the bible and that was before the first Diaspora (if I'm not mistaken)

Cont.

[ymic83]

I have a question.

Atheism means that you don't believe in god and therefore don't believe in religion.

(I could be wrong but that's how I understand it)

at 0:55 you say as part of the atheist community you are supposed to oppose religion.

I want to understand why you oppose it.

I am a believing Jew, but I don't care that Christians worship Jesus and Hindus worship cows etc etc..

I can understand why you don't believe in it, but why oppose it?

cont.

[Joniversity]

@ymic83 Well a lot of atheists feel that religion has been pushing them around for quite a while because of its special status that it gets in society (unjustly in our eyes). If to go with Judaism - the fact that because of damn rabbis i had to go and marry my wife out side of Israel is unforgivable in my eyes - the fact that THEIR god has a problem with gentiles has nothing to do with me but they impose THEIR laws on me, not to speak about all the wars and rejecting of science. Catch my drift?

[ymic83]

@Joniversity

I understand.

But I also think its a bit more complicated.

Israel is defined as the Jewish state and is supported by the Majority of the people.

So it can complicate things at times.

But on the other hand like everything else in life you have a choice, if you don't like speed limits, move to Germany and use the autobahn.

If you don't like the law in Israel, move.

If I didn't agree with where I was living, I would move too.

Cont.

[Joniversity]

@ymic83 I have no problem with Rabbis moving if they can't stand the fact the i marry. I am the one who has lost friends here. I am the one who held a weapon a defended this country. I am the one who's father got badly injured during the 6 day war - if it wasn't for secular atheists like me Zionism wouldn't have been born and there was Jewish state in the first place. Secondly who said Rabbinical orthodox Judaism should make the rules?? why not reformed or Karaite Jews for instance? (cont ->)

[ymic83]

@Joniversity

But like everything in life it cant be a one way road with my way or the highway.

There has to be a compromise.

But as an atheist who believes that religious laws shouldn't apply anywhere, you have a right to fight for that to happen.

So I understand what you are saying and with some points I agree and with some I don't.

But I guess that's what makes it interesting :-)

[Joniversity]

@ymic83 It's indeed making it interesting but you've got to admit that infringing on my rights just because i don't believe in god or believe in something else shouldn't make me a lesser human being not worthy of marrying the love of my life in the country i love... And BTW, yes, eventually, if things won't get better atheists and others like will be forced out and i would love to see for how long this country stands if all that will be left are Rabbis and their patronizing Yeshiva twats.

[ymic83]

@Joniversity

And yes the Israeliites are gods people and accepted his Law (if you believe in that)

Only in the past about 1500-2010 years was the term religion used. before it was that you believed in a statue or a goat or the river or the sun and gave sacrifices.

As far as Jews being a race I agree with you that its a bunch of crap since todays Jews are made of lots of races.

I think the correct term should the land of Israel.

The Israelite state.

[ymic83]

@Joniversity

Anyway since i dont want clutter up your comments page ( I think its a bit late for that though) I want to say that I understand your frustration and I think something should be worked out that everyone can agree on with both sides giving in on some points.

Its difficult and complicated, but then again isn't everything like that with Jews?

[TimothyStuartRiches]

I thought the same thing... Long-hair Alex Jones.

[Joniversity]

@TimothyStuartRiches I wonder who'll be more offended by that :-)

[Joniversity]

@FeelingWreckless A) I voted for Liberman the last two elections :-) B) Islam, today, is indeed the greatest threat as far as religions go. C) Yes they should.

[detersgumig]

Good video! I am a leftist, a liberal, and an atheist, I would never defend any kind of superstitious nonsense. Islam is definitely no exception from that rule.

[Joniversity]

@detersgumig Well lucky for us i think you still represent the majority of left wingers. I guess it all depends how left you go down the political bell curve.

I can't imagine anyone calling himself liberal and/or atheist who defends religions (especially Abrahamic) for whatever reason. I can understand ppl who are indifferent to religions but defending seams a little too much.

[Joniversity]

@FeelingWreckless Atheists are not a collective and atheism is indeed not an ideology or common belief but rather the lack of. But in Y.T. some if not most atheists took it upon themselves to fight against what they (and i) perceive as the wrong doings of religious nuts and religious doctrines. Unfortunately politics finally came in and ruined it all - like it usually does... my wife is a left winger - i know how devastating political differences can be :-)

[mitukats]

@FeelingWreckless

"incapable of reform like the other two Abrahamic dogmas"

Christianity and Judaism have both been reformed many, many times. They both adopted more liberal values into their interpretations of scripture.

Perhaps you just don't know enough about religion and its history to actually debate it?

[Joniversity]

@mitukats Knowing FeelingWreckless for a while now, I think her point was that Islam UNLIKE Christianity and Judaism is incapable of reform (which BTW i do not agree with).

[mitukats]

@Joniversity

"which BTW i do not agree with"

Meaning... you do believe that "Islam can be reformed"?

I'm unclear how to read that...

[Joniversity]

@mitukats Yes, in principal, when you look at it's core structure Islam can be reformed - and quite easily too. I just don't see it happening anytime soon.

[mitukats]

Would the world be a better place if religion was never invented?

[Joniversity]

@mitukats I don't think so. Religion played a major and important role in the philosophical and technological advancements of humanity throughout antiquity. Nowadays however religion is getting less and less breathing room as science and modernity charge ahead and religions fight back against it... In any case, I don't think religion should have any active role in political life - that's for sure.

[mitukats]

@Joniversity

So we can agree that all religions are flawed, but that they have still contributed positively to the development of societies and humanity.

Personally, I am creationist that believes in evolution... That the Creator influenced evolution several times, but that there was still a general process of evolution over billions of years. Surprisingly, this theory does not at all contradict with what the Torah actually says.

[Joniversity]

@mitukats I don't think anyone can argue with your first point (as long as they know some history).

Regarding your other point: A) There is a rise in people who believe in what you do (see my video "Evolution, Rationality and Freedom of Choice" by Prof. Aumann who's O/C religious). and B) Judaism is amazingly elastic (maybe the reason it survived for so long), basically you can make almost everything fit in there.

[JulianThePhilosopher]

Did gunnerdan70 comments get deletd ? i wanna debate that nazi scumbag

[Joniversity]

@JulianThePhilosopher He removed it himself for some reason.

[JulianThePhilosopher]

@FeelingWreckless The west is not aware of how detrimental the effects of political islam can be on society.

[JulianThePhilosopher]

@gunnerdan70 Since when is you tube an american/ Uk or western property. Stop living in your Uk centric world and acting like a neo nazi.

[EvilEuropean]

The right-wing approach to race relations didn't work that well in Europe last time.

[Joniversity]

@EvilEuropean Islam is not a race.

[EvilEuropean]

@Joniversity then why do people treat it that way?

[Joniversity]

@EvilEuropean Muslims in Europe are more often than not immigrants from a different culture with a different skin color etc. In that case racial and ethnic discrimination is just as it was for centuries. But Islam is not a racial attribute, it's a belief system and as such it is worthy of scrutiny and criticism, especially in-light of world events.

[EvilEuropean]

@Joniversity I know this, I know people who are Muslim.....as in close friends and not in the handyman taxi driver kind of way alot of people do. Islam seems less obsessed about race than Judaism for example.

Still dosent change the fact that it IS treat as a monolith way, religiously and racially.

[Joniversity]

@EvilEuropean "Islam seems less obsessed about race than Judaism for example" - Not Islam, nor Judaism or Christianity say anything about race. And treating Islam as a monolith is just as bad as saying "than Judaism for example" - which Judaism is that? Which stream? Which school of thought? - you see you're doing the same - why? well i guess you see "it" as a threat and to simplify the construct of your notion you use it as a general label (cont->)

[Joniversity]

@EvilEuropean (-> cont) And it's especially useful in answers of 500 characters or less... There will always be bigotry and racism, and saying something like "those who oppose Islam are racists" is just as bad, actually it's exactly the same. Don't confuse opposing Islam and it's teachings with racial discrimination against Muslims.

[EvilEuropean]

@Joniversity Now you are being just dishonest. As someone who lives in Israel and knows about Jewish culture you know what I am talking about.

[Joniversity]

@EvilEuropean No i do not know what you're talking about. Please enlighten me.

[amet1980]

myabe some israeli should explain pooka-poopoo why 100% of israeli arabs choose to live in israel, and why 90% of the arabss of east jerusalem want to be part of israel,instead of the noopotism of al fatah and the islamofundamentalism of hamas.(even taking in consideration of all the descriminations against them-east jerusalem)

[goxster]

Brave man, i join you. For thetruepooka, he's not bad on the rest of his work, a good guy!

Myself i want to know how i can be extreme left and at the same time extreme intolerant against all religions.

[Joniversity]

@goxster BTW i agree, his work is great and i recommend his channel. Regarding your question. I'm not smart enough to answer :-)

[Nasiruddin84]

All these guys who think that Christian fundies are worse than Muslim fundies should buy themselves a ticket to Cairo, Damascus, Teheran, Jakarta, Riyadh or Lebanon. This should cure 'em.

By the way : Doctrinary leftism is not about politics its about playing the advocate for the "victims of society" even if those "victims of society" are fucked-up bastards. Unfortunately the left ran out of victims because capitalism gave so much wealth to the proletariat ;-) Now they gotta look elsewhere for

[Nasiruddin84]

@Nasiruddin84

their raison-d'être.

[Joniversity]

@Nasiruddin84 RIGHT ON!

[JTlovesDexter]

As a ‘left-wing atheist’ I don’t defend Islam, but rather the people who happen to practice it. Bleeding-heart liberals believe in fair treatment for all humans, and tend to sympathize with the little guy when they’re being bullied.

As for the tf00t/dawah drama, I’m so frickin’ sick of it already – everyone needs to move on, go dancing for crying out loud ; )

[Joniversity]

@JTlovesDexter I agree, and i even said so in the vid, it's perfectly sensible to make sure Muslims and any other minority are not discriminated upon on racial and similar terms. But defending Islam (like this guy does) is just dumb.

I'll go dancing now :-)

[Joniversity]

@JTlovesDexter Oh, and don't worry about being a left-wing atheist - Jenny is as left as they get so it seams i can get along with "your type" :-)

[JTlovesDexter]

@Joniversity Hehe ; ) At least I'm more 'lenient' tempermental wise...unlike Red....he's still coming for Spike bwahahahaha ; )

[Joniversity]

@JTlovesDexter I'm going to make a video of my new cat Visa and how she handles spike - he's not much of an hero when it comes to kittens. Though with grown-up cats he can be kind of a "bad-boy!" :-).

[JRBendixen]

I´m a socialist, but pooka is a nutter. He really should apologize to all other socialists for the bad name he has given us.

[Joniversity]

@JRBendixen It's Ok. In many of my views i can be considered a socialist (especially wale-fare and "blue-color" rights) . Any ideology with the right brakes and balances can be a good and effective measure to make our life better. Socialism is one of them.

[JRBendixen]

@Joniversity I really do not take it that seriously.

[Joniversity]

@JRBendixen Never take an ISM to seriously :-)

[KalimaShaktide]

Well said