1985 Southern 500, Earnhardt vs Elliott

[STREETRACERONFUEL]

lou larossa motor blew up 11 times in 85

[fatriani]

elliott would not be intimidated on this day

[4everafanDaleSr]

@fatriani yeah. he just got intimidated every other day he sat in a car with Earnhardt Sr behind him

[MrHideyoursheep]

Earnhardt wasn't going to give it to him, that's for sure.Cale had a good car that day but the power sterring went out in the Hardes Ford. Great racing here.

[kalijasin]

Back then it was just straight up racing. Now everything is advertising, show, restrictions in speed (restrictor plates), etc.

[aflsbrng]

which pixel is bill elliott?

[TonyPizzaro]

you can't pass awsome bill it is illegal!

[SCryder07]

HEY LOOK AT THIS YANKEES, ITS CALLED THE SOUTHERN 500. get yalls asses out of here. bring NASCAR back down to the south

[Enormousbison]

This was from when NASCAR was still STOCK CAR racing. Now they're racing built up super cars and it's not even racing anymore. All they're talking about now is drafting and what not. Just let the men race like it used to be! Too many rules and regulations now a days.

[AlYassou3Rabbi]

Today they talk about running the 500 and the last 25 laps are the only laps they race hard on. Take a cue from 2 Champions, they are racing hard from lap 1. Thats exciting racing. NASCAR 2010 almost put me to sleep.

[dmhart67]

it only took 10 to 15 laps and they are lapping people all ready

[Crisgo3d]

Bill Elliott was simply a master at this track

[whb1965]

awesome bill till holds the world record lap in a stock car. track records at talledega and daytona. the only man to make up 2 laps under green at dega and win the damn race. thats 5 miles . thats a fast ass car that can do that.. calm driver holdin the wheel.. bill had a great career

[ri1288]

Both of those race cars just look awesome. I live about 5 miles from Elliott's hometown. I remember how crazy it was when Bill went through his little revival in the early 00's. That man just couldn't be beat at the big tracks in the late 80's.

A little off topic, but seeing that espn 2 logo on the screen, does anybody remember back int he day when espn 2 would show old races on Christmas and New Years all day. Man those were awesome. I remember opening gifts and watching this as a kid.

[ScottNEwberry]

that time they did that , I watched those old races from flag to flag...i think I was 13 or 14 or so...

[milkster07]

Awesome Bill from Dawsonville!

[chameleone79]

Bill won the race! 87 thunderbird turbo coupe won motor trend car of the year! oh and as i recall GM had to buy the use of a Ford engine for their IRL program a few years back. wonder why?

[usualsuspect81]

ok and?? who has won the manufacturers cup for the past 5 or m ore years.....CHEVY THANKS

[chameleone79]

@usualsuspect81 in all of those Nascar racecars lies a Ford 9" rearend, an updated Ford toploader transmission, and a Ford cleveland style cylinder head. so every GM bodied Nascar car that has won anything since 72 actually has more Ford parts in it than Chevy parts.

[mrcrusherblackwell]

The only thing you have right is the rear axle. The rest is a bunch of crap.

[chameleone79]

@mrcrusherblackwell show me a small block chevy with canted valves then, even the ls series has inline valves. go do some homework.

[blitz811]

hmmm, maybe you should tell that to the bankruptcy judge.

[79malibu350]

dude it was 23 years ago. let it go. ford aint done much lately have they?

[HalfHalo]

Bill Elliott still holds the Nascar speed record! Bob Gliddens Don Hardy 351 Cleveland Fairmont debuted at the 1978 NHRA Summernationals in Englishtown, N.J., and from that point everyone in the Pro Stock field was racing for second place, whether it was qualifying or eliminations. This docile appearing Ford Fairmont passenger car would go on to qualify No. 1 at every single NHRA event that season, both national and regional, and win every time it came to the starting line. UNDEFEATED- 351C.!

[Longlakedreaming]

Actually, Fords started to dominate NHRA Pro Stock in 1974 with 351C powered Pintos of Dyno Don, Bob Glidden and the 4 door Maverick of Gapp/Roush. The Pintos and Mavericks gave way to 1970 Mustangs mid-decade.

[LT1HILLINGHOE]

Well then....let me rephrase the GM to Chevrolet. Chevrolet won more than Ford did on the big tracks, short tracks, mid size tracks, just all tracks. Chevrolet did. Before or after the restrictor plates.

[LT1HILLINGHOE]

Plates were put on to speed up the fords. GM won more on the superspeedways than Ford ever did. Even when flash in the pan Elliott came along GM won more before the strictor plates than Ford did. Take away 1985 and people would be saying Bill who? LOL Me thinks DW won the cup in 1985 so DW is the king of 1985 anyhow in a Junior Johnson Chevy.

[chad2909]

Actually without 1985 Bill would have 30+ wins and the 1988 cup championship. I don't believe that would qualify him as "Bill who?" And the 16 or so most popular driver awards... I think it's kinda funny to call someone who has been racing for 30 years a flash in the pan... lol

[aqualung6000]

totally agree Elliott was a terrific driver, the reason GM wins more is the fact that they supply half the nascar field

[bigmrclean]

@chad2909 I will tell you another thing that's funny, That entire comment he typed out is the biggest crock of shit I've ever read. The plates were put on because of Bobby Allison's crash going into the stands. The cars were getting airborn and out of control going 212. Had nothing to do with any one make car. 1985 No one remembers Loud mouth Waltrip, they remember that 9 Lapping everyone and beating the living Hell out of all those Chevrolet's. Fastest cup car EVER POINT BLANK...#9 FORD!

[kkfan91]

DW is nothing but a big mouth who got good rides Bills dominate years were with NOTHING

[PastorBurton]

@LT1HILLINGHOE You have to be one of the most clueless individuals I've ever met online!

Haven't been a nascar fan long, have you? If you have. What the heck are you smokin'?

[moparnutjim]

@LT1HILLINGHOE One reason I hated Ironhead was that NASCAR always listened to his squalling. Ford was way ahead of Chevy's when they came out with the 83 Thunderbird and the only way Chevys could keep up was with the help of Nascar.

[tmathis151]

@LT1HILLINGHOE that flash in the pan has the record at Talladega for his 212 mph run

[1hotfred]

@LT1HILLINGHOE Sorry buddy, the plates were to slow down the fords.

In the day Ford Motorsports was investing heavy into the tbird, the heads were breathing years ahead of the GM setup.

People also overlook the fact that Nascar bended the rules and allowed front wheel drive factory cars to be converted to rear wheel, something the tbird was, a true rear wheel drive.

Lets not talk about the speed records with the Bird.

[bigmrclean]

@LT1HILLINGHOE The only way one of them piece a trash Chevrolet's would keep up with the #9 Ford is if Bill tied a rope to there bumper and dragged them. Guess what? 212 MPH was done in that number 9 Ford. Fastest recorded lap in a Nascar EVER PERIOD POINT BLANK. Ernie Elliott wouldn't waste his time on an old oil leaking rattling Chevy..I like them though, I'm a mechanic and Chevy's keep me busy..and keep food on my table. Thank you Chevrolet.

[AMIEVIL86]

@bigmrclean Chevrolet NASCAR wins-682 Ford NASCAR wins-605  Chevrolet Manufacturer Championships-34 (8in a row from 1983-1991 and everyone since 2003) Ford Manufacturer Championships-15 Tim Richmond on the cover of Road & Track January 1987 240 mph YOU keep talking, Chevrolet will keep winning

[bigmrclean]

@AMIEVIL86 I will keep talking. Keep driving your oil leaking chevrolet. A top fuel dragster runs 320 mph...That fact is about as irrelivant as the one's you posted. 240 mph off a cliff maybe. Guess it wasn't fast enough for ol Tim was it? The fastest cup car to ever run a official lap is by the #9 Coors FORD. Will never be broken. I do like chevy for one thing...They keep me in business.

[AMIEVIL86]

@bigmrclean Yeah, because of restrictor plates it cant be broken. If NASCAR hadnt mandated them it would have been broken long ago. Just another ingnorant redneck ford fan talkin shit because Bill's ford was fast for a few years. So because Chevrolet has won more than ford those facts are irrelaivant? Sorry to hurt you feelings but if Bill's record lap makes you feel better then keep making a deal out of it. Race Wins and Championships are what people remember and what Chevrolet has more of.

[AMIEVIL86]

@bigmrclean To me this is already a non issue. I was talking about NASCAR and YOU bring up something as irrelivent as you business? Sorry but no one gives a fuck about your business. Maybe you can use it to help Jack Roush win a few races. And if you keep arguing with me then your not gonna have time to run your "business" anyway.

"Success is the sole earthly judge of right and wrong"

-Adolf Hitler

[STREETRACERONFUEL]

@AMIEVIL86

hell ya ..GM took off for 12 years , but they own nascar

[blitz811]

@AMIEVIL86 but ... can you say "BANKRUPT"?

[AMIEVIL86]

@blitz811 I always like how anyone who advocates Ford acts like Ford was bulletproof because they didnt take a bailout. You all fail to mention the 50,000 jobs Ford cut and their sell off of Land Rover, Jaguar and Aston Martin from 2006-2008. Ford's sales sucked so bad that in 2006 Ford took out a $23 million line of credit (back when you could still get a cheap loan) to keep from going BANKRUPT! The big 3 all suffered INCLUDING FORD but you all conveniently forget to mention this.

[blitz811]

@AMIEVIL86 . bottom line ... GM = BANKRUPT. stop living in denial. stop defending a failed company. GOV'T MOTORS.

[AMIEVIL86]

@blitz811 Let me read my post again. lemme see oh thats right I DIDNT DENY IT. Yeah GM took a bailout. They did go bankrupt. But again most the race wins and driver/ manufacturer championships that Chevrolet has won happened before they went bankrupt. I guess if ford cant even beat a bankrupt company then i guess that says more about them then I could ever say. Again my arguement was about NASCAR Race Wins and Championships. Chevrolet has more of both PERIOD!

[Bag0fRats]

@AMIEVIL86 give Ford a big fat government check and see how well they do.

[AMIEVIL86]

@Bag0fRats Since you enabled contact block, i'll respond to you in public. Ford had a chance to take a "big fat government check" but decided not to. They had a chance, so don't get upset because they didn't. Pre-bailout or post-bailout, it still doesn't change the fact that Chevrolet has won more NASCAR races and championships then ford.

[Bag0fRats]

@AMIEVIL86 Ford was smart enough to not make a deal with the devil and not phuck the taxpayers over. Now GM has the Obama Volt now.

[AMIEVIL86]

@Bag0fRats In June 2009, ford took $5.9 billion from taxpayers as part of the Department of Energy's Advanced Technologies Vehicle Manufacturing program. It was a program that allocated $7.5 billion to support $25 billion in loans to give as incentives to create geen jobs. Congress authorized the program in Sept. 2008. However because the recession hit at the same time the govt. would not allow GM or Chrysler any of the money because they were asking for "the bailout".

[AMIEVIL86]

@Bag0fRats Because ford didn't ask for any "bailout" money they were allowed to take the $5.9 billion from the D.O.E. ATVM GOVERNMENT program. This gets overlooked because it wasn't from "THE BAILOUT". - Forbs.com. Keep changing the subject if you want but CHEVROLET STILL HAS MORE NASCAR RACE WINS & DRIVER/MANUFACTURER CHAMIONSHIPS THEN FORD.

[Bag0fRats]

@AMIEVIL86 they have. But it also boils down tot he driver and how much cheating takes place. As for GM's bailout, thank the UAW.

[AMIEVIL86]

@blitz811 And yes I will admit that in the last 20 years GM was mismanaged so bad that they couldnt even close an umbrella without fucking it up. But for a company that went bankrupt thay still managed to win more Races and Championships in more racing series then Ford, even when they had around 1/3 of the money budgeted for racing then Ford. I guess Ford needs to go back and try again to learn how to win if a "bankrupt" car company can STILL win more then them.

[DTOMUSA74]

@AMIEVIL86 I guess you need to go do some hardcore research on NASCAR engines. In case you didn't know, whether it says Ford, Dodge, Chevrolet, or Toyota, they are all front distributor, Ford 351C based engines.

[AMIEVIL86]

@DTOMUSA74 Thats NASCAR's idea to make the engines spec engines. Chevrolet can't help that. But i guess they can be forced to use a ford engine design but use Chevrolet heads and parts and still outrun a ford. If only the 351C had the longevity of the Chevrolet's small block, which is still being used with its basic design since 1955.

[AMIEVIL86]

@DTOMUSA74 As for all the "damn GM cars" in the field, its a matter of choice. Why the hell would, as a team owner would you NOT choose the make that gives you the best chance of winning? You choose the make that WINS THE MOST RACES! @bigmrclean must now understand this as i havent heard a damn thing out of him either. RACE WINS & CHAMPIONSHIPS!!!

[fatriani]

@LT1HILLINGHOE

plates were put on to slow the cars down. if nascar let allisons crash slide and it happened again, thered be hell to pay. it wasnt about making it "competitive". if it were, they wouldve pu plates on the cars in 1985 so the GM cars could keep up

[kalijasin]

@fatriani yeah, but come on .. its racing. Their suppose to go fassst. Slowing them down is a oxymoron.

[DTOMUSA74]

@LT1HILLINGHOE Ever notice how many damn GM cars there are on the track? It's no wonder they won so much when most of the field is a GM product.

[LT1HILLINGHOE]

Yeah and I used to just spank 351 Clevelands in those stangs with a stock 70 SS Chevelle 350/300....and I mean it was not even close. The Boss 302 was better competition than the Cleveland.

[chameleone79]

@LT1HILLINGHOE the boss 302 was no match for the quench chamber cleveland. now when the gas embargo happened, ford came out with and open combustion chamber head cleveland with low compression. i could see the boss being better then.

[Longlakedreaming]

The 1971 Boss 351 was a very fast mid 13 second car despite weighing more then the previous stangs. 1969-70 Boss 302's were only so-so on the street, as the intake ports were too big for a 302. They were perfect for a 351 however.

[McCall72]

Totendick is clearly youtube's biggest moron. Road and Track Magazine January 1987-Aerocoupe Monte tested at 240 MPH- look it up. Chevy went to the Lumina the same reason Ford went to Tauras: manufacturers decide to go with new models. The MC had an 8 year run with the same body style. You point to one race, I point to from 83-89- every year the MCSS was raced it won the manufact. Championship and won 52% of the races it was used in. Thats domination. Why am I arguing with this idiot?

[osubuckeyes14]

Yeah totendick is hilarious. He picked an appropriate user name with the DICK part. he gets so worked up and starts freaking out for no reason, using 2-3 curse words per sentence, literally. hey totendick, just calm down and grow up!

[savagenomore]

I sure do miss Dale........there will never be anyone like him.........

[McCall72]

1983-1988 Monte Carlo SS winning percentage in NASCAR=.519. Ford guys get back to me when you can even sniff that sort of dominance.

[totendick]

comments like this are what prove that chevrolet fans are fucking dumbass cocksuckers. Dick Head, look at the PERCENTAGE % of general motors products compared to fords in nascar! Make any sense to your dumbass that if you have over 80% of the cars in the race that they might win half! only half? That proves they suck dumbfuck! Oh, and why did they add restricter plates fucknut? HUH? Because Bill Elliott was going 212mph and winning races by LAPS not secs. They added them so chevys could keep up!

[McCall72]

Now that you've established that you are an idiot tookendick (appropriate name by the way. The winning percentage of .519 was for the 83-88 MC SS alone, not all the GM cars. So lets break that down Corky. The MCSS was beating not only the T-Birds, but also the Grand Prix, OLDS and Buicks. Oh yeah, Elliot's 212 was about 2 tenths of a sec faster than Allison's Buick that day-big whoop. NASCAR has stated hundreds of times the restricter plate as added to keep the cars from flying into these seats.

[totendick]

You are a MORON! What the fuck is up with you making up these bullshit facts?Typical DUMB YANKEE CHEVY FAN! MCarlo DID NOT win every championship dumbfuck. In 1985 they didnt even win at a superspeedway! And where the fuck did you get that allison shit? 2 tenths? WTF!! The fastest chevy avg lap speed EVER at that time was richard petty and it was 202mph BAFFOON! Also cocksucker, nascar told assholes like you that they slowed the cars down for that reason! To keep them out of the stands??

[McCall72]

Also, Road and Track Magazine did a test of a Hendrick prepared Aerocoupe Monte Carlo back in the 80's that clocked it in excess of 230 mph. Just accept the fact that Chevy has been beating ford's ass for as long as anyone can remember.

[totendick]

Thats propaganda cocksuckers like you BELIEVE! Why the fuck dont indy cars go in the goddamn stands dumb fuck? Chevys were TOO SLOW thats why they added the fuckin plates! They couldnt admit it because of Pro wrestling watching assholes like you who would have been heart broken? In the seats, my fuckin ass! Look at the win % verses number of cars in the race! Surprising fucknut? Heartbroken? Beating fords ass. Please bitch, wake the fuck up! I suppose you think obama is a great leader too huh?"

[totendick]

Bitch! If dick hendrick had this fucking car why the fuck didnt they USE the goddamn thing? Hmm, It Didnt exist asshole!! Where do you come up with this BULLSHIT! "Back in the 80's"? What fucking year asshole? If monte carlo was so goddamn great why did IT not set the record? answer that dicklick! And how in the fuck did elliot come back 2 laps under green and win the race with these great fucking monte carolos out there around 18 to 1. Oh, and why the fuck did they switch to Lumina?? DUMBASS!!

[4Tracer]

Shows how ignorant you ford fans are if all you can do is base your theory on hollow ground without countering McCall's proven facts with other proven facts. Not only that, but ever sentence you use a curse word like it's cool. You sir are an idiot.

[LT1HILLINGHOE]

McCall72: You are correct. In about 1986 or so they did the test on a track somwwhere in New York state. It was not a Nascar track but a bigger than normal track. Tim Ricmond drove a Monte SS aerocoupe to over 240 mph. It was in Winston Cup Scene where I saw it and it is a fact.

[nilla003]

As I recall this test involved the SS and either a Porsche 962 or an Indycar of some type. The point (or perhaps I should say the result) of the exercise was to demonstrate that a car built with downforce as a basic design element couldn't compete on the top-end with a low-downforce (or perhaps even zero downforce as configured for the test) NASCAR stocker in an unrestricted test.

[1hotfred]

@nilla003 I remember something about that?? Was that when the Nascar trimmed car won a top speed shootout? It was funny because they did a duct tape fix and gained a few mile an hour..lol  I am getting old!!

[hoppy086]

Tim Richmond hitting a speed of 240 mph is on the cover of road and track  january 1987!

[LT1HILLINGHOE]

Chevys were not even in racing for about 20 of those fifty years so Ford should have won a few with all fords racing. Waa waa waa is all I hear out of these Ford guys about strictor plates and aero. Those thundebirds were ugly as monkey shit on a stick. I had a stock 88 Monte Carlo SS that would mop the floor with any thunderbird ever built. The Terdo Coupe included. Tim Richmond turned a 242 mph lap in an SS on a track in New York state in 1988 unrestricted. Documented. Way faster than 212.

[rebelracing88]

Granted, the Monte Carlo was a better car, as far as looks and overall performance go, but you can't blame the Ford guys for whining when GM gets almost all of the advantages. And the reason GM wasn't in NASCAR for about 10 years, actually, was because they got busted for cheating. They were running oversized engines to try and keep up with Ford and Chrysler.

[chameleone79]

@LT1HILLINGHOE im sure your 305 powered 180 hp monte carlo was Super Fast. lol

[ilovetogofast88]

All I said was, what you see below, it has nothing to do with Dale's popularity for God's sake, I only said because Dale was a damn good racer!

[runn141]

the reason that thunderbird has the record is because of the aero dynamics comparison to the montecarlo. that was the reason for the restrictor plate. if you would take the restrictor plates off the cars 5 years later, they would run 240 to 255 mph. as far as the superbird/daytona's, chevrolet did not race against them in nascar then. they dropped out in 1964, and ford was the reason the hemi was dropped out of production. they threatened mopar with the production of the 427 cammer engine.

[ilovetogofast88]

GO DALE GO!!!!!

[zzremington]

Bill Elliott one "NASCAR's most popular driver 16 out of 19 years. Dale Sr. only one it the year he died because Elliott pulled out of the running to honor Dale (Waltrip won the other 2). Senior was "setup" by NASCAR and the GM alliance to bring in fans - they rarely inspected his cars.

[Longlakedreaming]

Bill Elliott was the reason I started watching NASCAR in the mid 1980's. I always liked his clean driving style, passing on talent and not by bumping cars out of the way.

[WidowmakerXLS]

lol... You must be confused. Elliot bumped more cars than anyone BUT Earnhardt...

[Longlakedreaming]

Bill Elliott's rep was he was a smooth, clean driver. I've got more than half of his wins on tape and I never saw a cheap win by Bill. I can name a dozen other drivers who won from 1985 to 2001 who used the bumper more than Bill did.

[starclassics]

@Longlakedreaming ...yeah this isn't true. I have way more tape than you do, and I promise you...Bill picked who he bumped around and who he didn't. You're kidding yourself if you think he was a clean driver.

[whb1965]

bill eilliot. world record holder..nuff said.lol

[rlgodbold]

The Hudson Hornet early on was very sucessful. As well as the early Chrysler model when Carl Kiekafer was at the helm.

[fiddlenut24]

elliott won the race though, and the winston million

[vidEvWill]

Was the last time a Darlington Race was decided by a last lap pass until the 2003 Dodge Dealers 400 where Ricky Craven nosed out Kurt Busch.

[McCall72]

It did have aerodynamics, but the Monte SS pretty much dominated thoughout the 80's in terms of wins. The Monte Carlo SS won the manufactuer championship every year it was raced in the 1980's (1983-1989) When they added the bubble back window in 1986, it solved any aerodynamic issues that it had. No doubt that the 83-88 Monte Carlo is the greatest/most successful NASCAR stock car ever raced.

[arizonaresident1]

Plymouth Superbird/Dodge Daytona, winner of 50% of the races they entered. They got eliminated just like the Hemi so Chevy could have a chance. If it were Ford or Dodge that developed the bubble back window, they would have been outlawed too.

[McCall72]

Won't argue with you about the Superbird/Daytona as I agree it was dominate, but I hardly believe NASCAR told them to get rid of it for Chevrolet's benefit. And good Lord, Ford has been the biggest crybaby in NASCAR in the modern era. Everytime they don't get what they want they threaten to leave the sport. And the fact remains, the MCSS won the manufacturers championship every year it was raced. That equals domination.

[whb1965]

but the ford still holds the world record lap with bill elliot at the wheel..lol

[rebelracing88]

Bullshit. Earnhardt and Childress were the biggest crybabies in the modern era. All he could do was whine and cry when Bill smoked him in the 80s, and when Ford swept the top 5 at Daytona in 2000. Ford never got to have any of the non stock body pieces like Chevy did. Besides GM had 6 engine updates from '92 to '07, Ford had 1!

[k0ehl3r]

with all due respect to dale you are 110% correct.

[rebelracing88]

Thank you! I respect what Earnhardt did behind the wheel greatly. And I don't mean to sound biased towards Ford, but if people are going to comment on how the cars were changed through the years then they need to tell the WHOLE truth.

[rebelracing88]

Although the Plymoth Superbird and Dodge Daytonas were very good the Torino Talladega actually won 2 more races then the supercars, but your right they certainly were something to look at.

[dutchie1010]

thats cause they had earnhardt behind the wheel lol

[McCall72]

Pretty clean racing by both drivers. I miss the days when NASCAR was raw..Also, the 1983-88 Chevy Monte Carlo was hands down the best looking race car ever (and possibly the most successful)

[usualsuspect81]

o yea that monte carlo is classic, it is the best looking model

[fatriani]

ford thunderbird was the best car of the 80's. its had something that the monte carlo didnt have when the t-bird was introduced by elliott, it had aerodynamics

[Longlakedreaming]

Agreed. The Monte Carlo's were a good 5 MPH slower during 1985 on super speedways like Daytona, Talladega, Pocono and MIS versus Elliott's 'bird.

I think the 1987-88 Thunderbirds were the best looking Nascar racer of all time. I can't even watch Nascar anymore as the cars have gotten so ugly.

[70machwonder]

These monte guys must all be blind! The Thunderbird of the 80's-97' were the best looking cars. The Thunderbird sold better also. Ford was the alltime winner in major stock car racing for over 50yrs, but they never used it as a marketing tool, unlike chevy when after 55yrs finally became the alltime winner, then they cramed it in everyones face with all those stupid commercials. Rule changes that favored chevy got them the most wins in NASCAR history. Helton owns gm stock.

[runn141]

rule changes that favored chevy? in 1995,96,97 they kept removing so much spoiler and front air dam from the monte carlo to slow them down and butcher the handling. they even made them remove the rear swaybar. i agree the thunderbird sold better because ford kept them 2dr. rear wheel drive cars. the 2000 daytona 500, nascar mandated a special shock and spring package that wouldnt allow the cars rear suspension to lower at high speed, thus causing alot of drag.

[randlec6]

chevy has had more rule changes to their advantage than any other manufacturer. this is a fact that no one can argue.

[Longlakedreaming]

The 1995 Monte Carlo was a joke. Chevy had to widen the car almost 6 inches in the rear just to be NASCAR legal as the models sold from the show room were too narrow.

[runn141]

did you think the thundertird or the pontiac was at the same specs as the showroom model.

[Longlakedreaming]

They were a lot more closer to the street driven Birds and GP's then the 1995 NASCAR Monte Carlo was, that's for sure.

[runn141]

@Longlakedreaming technically every make out on the track at the time were the same underneath the sheetmetal other than the engine itself. and still are.

[chad2909]

I'm not sure that Nascar ever changed the rules to be in favor of the chevys back in the 80's and 90's but i vividly remember Bill Elliott winning Pocono and Indianapolis back to back in 2002 and as soon as he did Nascar changed something on the Dodge's... i think it might've been the kickout on the nose or something... and they were never the same after that... it seems like today that as long as chevrolet is winning everybody is where they should be in Nascars eyes atleast

[runn141]

in 08 it looked liked ford and toyota dominated,to me anyway.

[chad2909]

Looks to me like chevy won the drivers championship and the manufacturers championship in 08'...

[JeffHardyvsMattHardy]

@runn141 prolly cause your a ford fan maybe? LOL

[hightech62]

historically nascar has always favored chevys. my first in person daytona 500 was in 1963. finally got sick of nascar in the 90s because of the bullshit rules changing all the time. chevy is the France familys favorite. nascar is dead to me because of bias from it's organizers.

[TheMichaelJB]

@hightech62 Actually NASCAR got super ticked at Ford when Holman/Moody pulled out of NASCAR in 1972 and left half the field (which were driving Ford or Mercury stock cars) high and dry without new Holman/Moody built cars. Bill France Jr. didn't even want Ford back in NASCAR producing new engine blocks in the early 1980's, and it took a couple of years before he finally relented and let the Elliott's, Bud Moore and Juney Donleavy have access to the newly casted blocks in 1983.

[Longlakedreaming]

Ford's canted valve 351 Cleveland based engines and the later versions had a better mid-range torque curve then the Chevy's. It's why they were so good at MIS, Dover and some of the other tracks that had long turns. I had a 351 Cleveland in my 1970 Mach 1.

[darknesslightfalls76]

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