I'm trilingual, English, Spanish, German. I learned Spanish not from class but from living in chile. I had to learn German in class. But ya i don't believe I'm really tha much smarter
I disagree with the arch of language acquisition ability. In showing the trends of language acquisition ability over age as a line graph, it really takes away from the idea of variation. I bet there is an incredible amount of variation in language acquisition ability over age.
Dedication, interest, and amount of free time are probably the highest determinants of acquisition of a new language. For a baby, these three points are freakin' high, bro!
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people may not realize it but learning a new language really does make you smarter...or at least helps develop what you need to become smarter. It's not by any huge, super noticeable amount, but it still happens.
No it's not something abnormal that's done,but it's still a task that should be encouraged and applauded when done, especially in countries like those in North America where being bi- or tri-lingual isn't seen as an asset unless you're in the government (Canada)
i'm trilingual (Norwegian, English and French) and I don't think I'm more intelligent or think any differently than other people. It'd very common in europe to learn at least english plus their local language.
@roidroid scratch that, mere seconds after i typed that she said "Kids don't learn language from TV".
I wonder what kinds of TV shows they were showing the kids. Perhaps they just wern't socially engaging shows? The shows i watched as a kid (eg: Playschool) were quite socially engaging.
According to my family i apparently learned some sign language from TV as a kid, i was momentarily confused last year when i tried to learn the signed alphabet from youtube and only took a few minutes "WTF!".
I have a question: what's going on in a baby's mind when he/she is exposed to a foreign language spoken by a non-native speaker? Often times teachers don't have perfect pronunciation themselves. I speak English, but I am not a native speaker. So, will it be useful to speak to a baby in English?
@inyazmil Of course! Not being a native speaker is not an issue. If you speak enough to give the child a basic understanding it will be enough. They don't get perfect English input really from anyone ... when we speak with all our starts and stops and changes in mid-sentence ... the child should never learn the language really but hey do. Don't worry about you not being a native speaker, they'll get what they need and they'll be influenced by others as they grow.
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Babies learn faster because they are surrounded by the language day and night, because there has to be somebody looking after them. It really just comes down to language immersion.
@sukablianah2 - Actually, I think that's her dentures...not much more comforting...and, yeah, I tried to not notice it. But it was pretty distracting to me as well.
i have a friend who learned german just by watching tv when he came to austria at the age of 6. thats also the reason why he has a german accent (he watched german tv and not austrian) so i cant really believe the results of this study...
@Futschigama it could be that by that age his brain understood the tv as having a person in front of him... it happend the same for me with english at 10 with subtitled movies
I learned to speak English before I went to school and I had no direct interaction with persons who were native or non-native english speakers. My parents second language is russian but they didn't speak it around me when I was goring up so I don't know russian at all but I'm proficient in english just from video-audio media sources. In conclusion I'm prof her study is not accurate ( I have friends in similar cases )
''Ypu know only of typical so be quiet." Do you teach civil debate during the lessons, as well? What you just described is a large company called Gaba in Japan. I'm personally familiar with every method you described. Your company is far from unique and you've made my arguments for me concerning time, $ and commitment. I understand it's possible, but those are luxuries that less than 1% of students have. It's anecdotal evidence and not enough to discredit a renowned linguist on TED."
She is just another ivory tower technogeek who cant make it in the real world. We make 5 million dollars every year with our method because we show results...We have a month long waiting list here in the US so That is my argument
I own a language school and we teach adults all the time and we bring people to full bilinguilism in less than a year. Another technocrat who never bothered to live in the real world and lives in her Ivory Tower. Her theory is nonsense... Smart people always learn new skills. Morons never learn anything
@uqutaq I've taught ESL in Asia for 5 years and promise you're not able to bring people to full bilingualism in one year. Maybe if the student just crams like mad and spends more than half their day using the language, but few students actually have time or opportunity to do so. ''Fluent'' is used too loosely and learning a language has little to do with how smart someone is, but simply time and effort.
so your experience is better than mine??? We do it every year. It IS about smarts... people who understand quickly and make logical associations with our accelareted method DO learn in a year. Maybe you are just not a good teacher. In 500 hours, we can take someone from beginner 2 to advanced 2 in 50 weeks
@uqutaq Exposure and practicing language doesn't require a high degree of intelligence. I've seen idiots master foreign languages. 500 hrs. is a good start. I could never learn Spanish in a class but learned Japanese by dating and speaking it all day. This what I don't like about the ESL industry, always the same radical and unsubstantiated claims, that they've revolutionized language study. A teacher's role is simply to get the student speaking, confident, and aware of why they made a mistake.
have you ever studied with a private coach?? Not your typical cliche Group course like in Japan and Taiwan with over 20 people in the class BUT a real private coach?? Someone who will provide all the tools to accelarate by a factor of 8 what you would learn in a class. You see my friend, 98% of all language schools make the mistake of assuming that information broadcast is what helps you learn when in fact it is punctual corrections and personal guidance that will do the trick
so your experience is better than mine??? Maybe you are just not a good teacher... We do it every year. It IS about smarts... people who understand quickly and make logical associations with our accelareted method DO learn in a year. . In 500 hours, we can take someone from beginner 2 to advanced 5 in 50 weeks. Advanced 5 is considered bilingual... Not perfect but fully functionnal. The person understand 100% of the content of a news bulletin and speaks without making mistakes.
@uqutaq But if you're able to get working adults with kids to spend an hour to two hours a day at your school you're making my argument for me, that time is the crucial factor. Unfortunately, that's rare. Doesn't matter which of us is Super Teacher. The last thing you want is to make your student dependent upon you. I've taught and I've been taught. Show them how to learn, make it enjoyable, and you won't need a gimmick like every company has.
There is NO gimmick... Just a better understanding of how languages operate... Immersion does nothing for anyone unless we get proper coaching.... My company specializes in private coaching for the rich who have between 8 and 25 thousand to spend. We cater to business individuals who will study 10 hours per week under strict supervision. All our student must pass a rigourous test to see if thery have the means and skills to take our course. Ypu know only of typical so be quiet
@uqutaq ''Ypu know only of typical so be quiet." Do you teach civil debate during the lessons, as well? What you just described is a large company called Gaba in Japan. I'm personally familiar with every method you described. Your company is far from unique and you've made my arguments for me concerning time, $ and commitment. I understand it's possible, but those are luxuries that less than 1% of students have. It's anecdotal evidence and not enough to discredit a renowned linguist on TED.
@uqutaq There is NO gimmick... "Just a better understanding of how languages operate..." ...are you kidding?!? ...Language is simply a tool for communicating any operation of it is done by humans~people operate ie: if you had typed ...just a better understanding of how people use or 'operate' languages ...you might have supported your point but alas beginning with a denial statement provides the forensic evidence that language is your business gimmick
I'm only going to buy a rolex if it submerges deeper than 2,000,000 feet. ( of course i'd be pretty dead at that depth, but my rolex will still be working for my son to use it even deeper than me.
What a stupid commercial for a watch. Basically they're saying "there's no practical reason to have one of these watches, so we'll just keep making them waterproof to depths that no human could ever survive so... yeah"
I agree with @dushevka. Most south Indians like me are multi-lingual because everyday we deal with people who speak different languages. We learn new languages even as adults. I speak 6 languages, sometimes mixing two or three in a sentence.
I don't think being bi-tri-or whatever-lingual is some sort of a miracle - only people or nations that don't give a shit or don't have the need for a second language think like that - especially english / chinese speaking people.
in europe (excluding UK, germany, spain, france, italy) is really common for someone to speak at least 2 languages, but usually more.
I speak 5 languages, 3 of them I learned after I was 15, but I'm no super-human and my head still didn't explode.
@dushevka "I speak 5 languages, 3 of them I learned after I was 15, but I'm no super-human and my head still didn't explode."
I think babies learn languages in the span of a few years simply because they have lots of time, and people eager to tell them what this thing is or that thing. An adult with time on his hands can also learn a language relatively fast, maybe faster than a toddler.
@UnconformistSheep I was bothered by this video because it implies that there's a biological / age reason behind people's inability to learn more than 1 or 2 languages. I think it's due to your environment or personal interest whether you learn or not.
and I'm not "an adult with time on my hands", I'm a normal colege-going part-time worker - so time isn't something I generally have. but I do think languages are a part of basic education.
@UnconformistSheep Congrats on being able to speak 5 ...I'm envious but more than that I have respect that you have used your time to grow your linguistics knowledge base ...further I agree with your point that both adults and babies learn languages when they give themselves time to do so
@dushevka I agree. I used to live in Poland, so I speak two languages. When I came to the US, I was praised as some miracle child for being able to read and write in two languages, especially since I was learning a third in middle school. But when I began talking to my old friends from Poland, met a girl who just came from Poland, and had a friend visit from Poland, I realized; holy sheet, every teenager in Poland can speak English almost fluently. It made me feel less special.... *sniff*
@dushevka She is not saying that you need to be a super-human to learn a second language. What she is saying is that we learn a second language effortlessly when as babies or toddlers. The older we are, the more effort and skills are needed for us to learn a second language, therefore much harder for most people who are older than 15-20 years old.
@MiloShen yes, and I disagree. I can't agree - I'm not an example of this theory (for I needed the same or less time for a 3rd, 4th and 5th language as my first 2 I learned prior to age of 7) and I know a lot people that aren't either. anyone with interest can learn it in a reasonable time - in my opinion - much similar to the time babies need.
@dushevka I'm saying EFFORTLESSLY. Babies and toddlers are like sponge at that stage and they just absorb the language without having to sit down to learn the grammar or sentence structure. When people get older, it's still possible to learn another language, but it needs more time and effort. For some people like you, it may seem easier than other people but still time and effort are required. Also having had a bilingual background may have helped you in another language acquisition.
@MiloShen I know what you wan't to say, but you can hardly compare the baby with an adult - it's a matter of approach to learning - babies learn with copying and constant listening, while adults do it in combination with learning (in schools or other forms) because it's more practical. I don't come from a bilingual background, my parents don't speak english (or very poorly) and I wouldn't generalize if I didn't knew a lot of people like me (I hardly know a person that speak only one language)
@dushevka Bilingual background doesn't mean that you have to have parents who speak two different languages. Bilingual background can be a home language environment and a school / friends language environment. A lot of European countries are adjacent to each other and kids living there have a lot of exposure to social, audio and visual-audio language exposure, so their growing up environment gives them an advantage to be immersed in more than one language.
@MiloShen 1. I'm from a bilingual background as anyone with internet, TV, radio. the closest english speaking country is UK and it's about 1200 km away. 2. I don't disagree with everything she says, but she does leave an impression about people's ability to learn new languages. I would also like to see a comparison between the time an adult (due to his life, work etc.) can invest into learning and babies. I don't think it's comparable. and this is really going nowhere. let's agree, we disagree.
@dushevka She never said in her talk that being bi or tri-lingual is some sort of a miracle. She is simply pointing out baby/children's language acquisition process and how their little brain works in distinguishing the differences at such an early age. It is an indisputable scientific finding that a human being's ability to acquire a new language declines with age. If you are to study Chinese now, I'm sure you will find it a lot harder to master it than a Caucasian child who is exposed to it.
@dushevka That's not what she said in the talk. I'm a Spanish/English/Latin teacher and I can assure you, as far as my personal experience go, the younger the kid the easier is to teach. Teenagers and adults have much more problems in learning and take in account that this is a country were a second language is mandatory in schools.
@AguzSuiCaedere I agree. I worked in a bilingual (Chinese and English) school for many years and have witnessed the same result. The younger they are, the easier it is for them to learn a new language. Once they are in the Secondary age, although their parents spent a lot of money on hiring private tuition for them, many of them still struggled for a while. Some did make pretty good progress in the end but they admitted that they spent a lot of time and effort on learning it.
@dushevka excluding UK, germany, spain, france, and italy? how the hell do you figure that? those countries value language just as much as other EU countries.
@dushevka Same here, left school at 16 and now fluent in 4 languages and I get by reasonably in another 3.
Just because I got exposed to foreigners a lot and wished to be able to communicate. All self tought.
And the wonderful thing is getting exposed to attitudes, stories and world-views you never knew existed!
Easiest way to broaden your mind is to understand other cultures. Speaking only your native language is like looking at the world through a key hole...
@dushevka Its not that its a miracle, she is just saying that its easier for babies to learn. Of course its possible to learn languages after 15, or even 50, its just more difficult. I actually have know a bunch of Europeans who also find it incredible how babies learn language.
@dushevka 5 languages! Well aint you just special. I agree, I only speak one language, but wish I could speak others. I was unfortunately never given the chance to learn them at a young age. All of my language teachers were piss poor, and I can confidently say that I or any one else, regardless of how hard we tried could ever grasp the concept of the other languages. The only real way to learn the language is to live in a foreign language speaking country.
@dushevka hey, way to congratulate yourself and throw in jab at Americans/Chinese. Your modest admission that you're not super-human was hilariously transparent. Nowhere in this presentation was it suggested that multilingualism was a miracle. It was only suggesting how much easier it is for young children than it is for adults. This doesn't imply that it's impossible for adults. Just because you're good at picking up language doesn't mean this research isn't important and useful.
You have to take into account that a lot of European languages come from the same family. For example, if you speak Spanish, it's not hard to pick up Italian, French, Romanian, or Portuguese just from immersion. There's not a lot of distance to cover between those countries, and the language structure is pretty similar.
It's another story for a native English speaker learning Korean or an Arabic speaker learning Russian. So try not to be such a dick.
@djryce European languages have been rraced back to an ancient lanuage called Rusyn . Last remanents spoke it in the Carpathian mountains. My dad spoke it and it was wiped out by the communists. Legendary symbolism is contained in the words and the family names and commies want to rewrite history. Root of all human languages was founfd in a valley I beleive in Uzbeckstan leads credence to the legend that the whole world spoke one language.
NR1 state the obviuos. you learn what your parents speaks and wow your brain actually prefers the emotional correlate language.
so now we wasting milliions on making sure what ppl knew since we were apes O_O. a finn wont be enclined to speak chink and a chink is not enclined to speak finn well that is bloody obviuos aint it
This machine could be used to study the brain of animals in the same way. You'll understand them better as well, and stop thinking about them as insignificant because it probably light up just like those babies. Will humans stop harming and abusing animals then?
@austpom333 yeah i liked this video but i think people often misunderstand the critical period. A baby/child approaches language with an alert openness. Sort of lacking prejudice by default because after all they are new to this world :o) And chances are austpom333 you can also listen to 'foreign' sounds in such a way...
there are actually Language classes now where student are advised to not speak the new language for approximatley 1000 hours. They sit through experiential classes- No books-
@tetranoob no writing- no exams. they just absorb the language being spoken by the teachers. see ALG Automatic Language Growth videos on youtube. Also a short video by Stephen Krashen .StephenKrashenscomprehensibleinput also on youtube :o)
@JiyuuDaiIchi If you live in an English speaking area, you have nothing to worry about. Children will pick up the language that is all around them. Think of all the 2nd generation immigrants who speak perfect English, and have to translate for their parents, because their parents don't speak any themselves.
@JiyuuDaiIchi if you speak one language (english for example) to your child your child will speak that language as clearly as you do
...by the same token : ) if you mix two languages your child will learn that too : ) ...your child will learn Japanese from those who speak Japanese to her ...and around her
...and she has had exposure to english : ) You ...you are her living (english) resource so speak it ...have fun help her understand language is simply a tool for communicating with each other
@JiyuuDaiIchi doesn't matter. children have that crazy learning ability until the age of 7. until then you can lay the foundation for any language really quickly just by talking to her. (and not just language. any skill, any art. people usually waste their children's potential by letting them play with stupid dolls all the time. show her different musical instruments, let her play with them, let her draw a lot. you know, all the stuff that develops creativity and abstract thinking.)
@JiyuuDaiIchi why would the child not learn a 2nd language? unless it is retarded there is no reason to think there will be any problem. Unless exposed too on a daily basis it will have to learn the language like any other person.
Good to know - Will get the wife to only speak Mandarin, and I will only speak English to our child. All going good will have a broad range of statistics. (may confuse alot though due to masculine and feminine).
@bradwatson7324 ...interesting description of your observation ...indeed : ) ...I re viewed the video after reading your comment ...I did see the moment with eyes purposefully opened ...it is always interesting for me to look again... : )
@bdeaner what she meant is that you subconsciously tend to memorize that which you hear most. if you don't get that you probably were put in front of the tv by your retard parents as a baby and thus turned degenerate. good luck ^^
Your offensive statement indicates much more about your sub-optimal intelligence than anything I've said. The fact is, babies don't take statistics, and it is misleading to say they do. (This kind of statement is a fundamental error propagated by cognitivism since the beginning). If she meant to say "subconsciously memorize," that's what she should have said. Now go change your diaper, kid.
This talk includes mention of monolingual and bilingual, but not polylingual. Also, there's no mention of auditory eidetics.
As a bilingual auditory eidtetic on the way to becoming a polyglot, i KNOW i analyze sound patterns as well as tone patterns and scemantics when listening to languages, and can repeat a sentence with high accuracy after hearing it just one or a few times.
At the moment (age 23) i speak 5 languages fluent, and can write, speak, or understand parts of 5 more.
@gulllars sorry I don't quite understand... you're bilingual but you speak 5 languages fluently? Wouldn't that mean more than bilingual? That's a cool ability btw
Good presententation, Patricia, but you should find a better location for your microphone. It's difficult to focus on the words you are saying when I'm distracted by the sound effects of your mouth.
Great topic, but please, next time drink some water to avoid the extra noises coming out of your mouth. It drove all the listeners around me crazy. Kind of funny, giving the nature of this lecture...
If I have kids, I kind of want to pay immigrants to come over regularly and talk to them as if English didn't exist. Sure, partly because it might make them supergenuis, but wouldn't it just be fun?
awesome! now that's an amazing TED talk, thank you!
p.s.: anyone notice how when a great woman is speaking it's TED and when some stupid cunt blabbers meaningless bullshit it's TEDwomen? looks like the requirement to support gender-based separation is being stupid, no matter what gender you are
Babies do the right thing! they just absorb, grow the language (build linguistic statics). brilliant :o) Let's not deny our own plasticity, adults can do this also. The key is to do what babies do.
@tetranoob ...I absolutely agree ...I have tested this ...may I say ..."Let's" acknowledge "our own plasticity" ...to add evidence to your statement in the same way that once we learn to ride a bike we always remember "how to ride a bike" ...our ability to ride depends largely on if we actually ride again.
I was thrilled to read your astute comment because I have believed this for a long time and your comment was the first to support such a simple logical concept "adults can do this also".
@tetranoob ...further (forgive me for going on and on but this is really exciting thinking) ... may I say oops type in support of your comment that ...we all know that each one of us was a baby once ...the skills we had as a baby are still with us perhaps a little dust covered for want of use but absolutely still with each one of us
the Key IS ...indeed ...do what babies do ...open our minds : ) fully engage : ) ...grow the language!!! ...live the language
@gaiagale Your comments are much appreciated :o) I have been following the ALG Automatic Language Growth classes for Thai language. These classes follow the baby approach.
Academic language learning has some serious flaws. Students try to speak on their first day, babies don't speak but have a looooong absorption period. Babies do not read. adults try to read on their first day of a new language class again contrary to the auditory absorption period. Adults learn grammar and phonics...
@tetranoob babies will not learn grammar or spelling/ what a verb or an adjective is. These things all come after the language is actually built in their mind. Once a child moves into the structured academic world of schooling they are subjected to curriculum's/ exams/ learning lists of new vocabulary. I'm not necessarily knocking this but it is contrary to what humans have been doing for most of their evolution. Remember written language is a very new thing for humans :o)
@tetranoob in considering this statement "babies will not learn grammar" I have experienced that babies do learn grammar(how words are put together) exactly as they live/hear it ...they do construct their short word grouping exactly as it is shared with and around them ...babies are awesome mirrors...in that they provide us precious gentle opportunity to look at ourselves again
thank-you for sharing your understanding and your knowledge I have found your comments worth reading even inspiring
@gaiagale You are quite correct babies do learn grammar. I poorly constructed my comment :o) I was trying to say they are not academically taught the rules of grammar.
@tetranoob it could be argued that because adults suck at learning a new language compared to baby's, it might be more efficient to use our intelligence and 'brute force' learn the language by simply memorising sentence structure and vocabulary.
@tetranoob ...I agree ...academia is all about rules and expectation to predetermined standards ...growing language is fundamentally about listening/hearing and reproducing the sounds ...from birth babies spend months making all kinds of sounds with their physical linguistic tools ie mouth vocal-cords etc ...why ...because they can and it is one of the many ways babies test out this new world ...after a while they begin that honing process of repeating the sounds they hear ...refining... :- )
I don't know... I remember I studied in French for my first 10 years of school, no English until Highschool. But I spoke English with my family and friends. I didn't really learn French until I was about 12 or so. Since then I've learned German, Korean, Japanese, and am now working on Mandarin. I feel the advantage of understanding the learning process is huge, which babies don't have.
I think this is fantastic. As I age I can feel the malleability of my brain slowly shrinking, and I am approaching the last era of learning. Yet there are decades of learning ahead of me, as I never want to stop growing and developing. I can only hope study like this can help us allow the human mind to constantly bloom throughout our lives.
@Dorniel I would say talk to your babies normally, as you would talk to an adult. Otherwise, he will get used to the "baby talk" language that won't be very useful as he grows.
@Kebabsoup thanks, but actually the advice i wal looking for is about the languajes itself, is better to talk them in multiple languajes? in an spescific one? something like that
@Dorniel Mhh yeah good question. I tend to believe babies are actually already smart enough to learn several languages at once. But I'm not sure he can understand that they are separate languages, maybe there can be quite some mixing up
Maybe if one parent speaks in one language and the other parent in another one, he can separate "dad-language" with "mom language". To that you can maybe add a "kindergarten language". dunno just guessing.
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juliacotic 3 months ago
i really think this is so true ...i agree with
andreeaweed 4 months ago
I'm trilingual, English, Spanish, German. I learned Spanish not from class but from living in chile. I had to learn German in class. But ya i don't believe I'm really tha much smarter
127miles 4 months ago
I disagree with the arch of language acquisition ability. In showing the trends of language acquisition ability over age as a line graph, it really takes away from the idea of variation. I bet there is an incredible amount of variation in language acquisition ability over age.
Dedication, interest, and amount of free time are probably the highest determinants of acquisition of a new language. For a baby, these three points are freakin' high, bro!
dcdales 7 months ago
@dcdales really as people get wiser they realize it is better to use one language well.unless they are translators.
gewraldruzkalukaniuk 4 weeks ago
Interesting talk, and the baby in the "MEG" device is hillarious :)
Armuotas 7 months ago 2
1:04 that mother and baby look nothing like they're from India
2528997 9 months ago
@2528997 India is more diverse than you think ;-)
keemnal 9 months ago
can somebody please help me? i have unsubscribed from TED but i can't get rid of the 'uploaded by TEDtalksDirector' section on my youtube home page. i used to like TED for the science content but i think it's now gone all humanities. i've looked at every option within every menu i can find in youtube settings and i cant get TED vids off my home page.
mumadadd 10 months ago
people may not realize it but learning a new language really does make you smarter...or at least helps develop what you need to become smarter. It's not by any huge, super noticeable amount, but it still happens.
No it's not something abnormal that's done,but it's still a task that should be encouraged and applauded when done, especially in countries like those in North America where being bi- or tri-lingual isn't seen as an asset unless you're in the government (Canada)
It's hard!
musikluver 11 months ago
i'm trilingual (Norwegian, English and French) and I don't think I'm more intelligent or think any differently than other people. It'd very common in europe to learn at least english plus their local language.
SamarkandChan 11 months ago
I am Taiwanese and I don't think I am smarter than some of u guy..
wayne30403 1 year ago
When i have kids i'm going to leave them infront of the tv watching SBS all day.
SOAK IT UP!
roidroid 1 year ago
@roidroid scratch that, mere seconds after i typed that she said "Kids don't learn language from TV".
I wonder what kinds of TV shows they were showing the kids. Perhaps they just wern't socially engaging shows? The shows i watched as a kid (eg: Playschool) were quite socially engaging.
According to my family i apparently learned some sign language from TV as a kid, i was momentarily confused last year when i tried to learn the signed alphabet from youtube and only took a few minutes "WTF!".
roidroid 1 year ago
I think you should watch Wendy Vo's videos.. you can search them here at Youtube
mottafogo 1 year ago
I have a question: what's going on in a baby's mind when he/she is exposed to a foreign language spoken by a non-native speaker? Often times teachers don't have perfect pronunciation themselves. I speak English, but I am not a native speaker. So, will it be useful to speak to a baby in English?
inyazmil 1 year ago
@inyazmil Of course! Not being a native speaker is not an issue. If you speak enough to give the child a basic understanding it will be enough. They don't get perfect English input really from anyone ... when we speak with all our starts and stops and changes in mid-sentence ... the child should never learn the language really but hey do. Don't worry about you not being a native speaker, they'll get what they need and they'll be influenced by others as they grow.
rrinjapan 1 year ago
@rrinjapan Thank you so much! You've encouraged me!
inyazmil 1 year ago
nothing really new here, everything she said I learned about in my 2nd year developmental psych class 4 years ago...cute babies though :)
missttt888 1 year ago
@missttt888 agree
nehelek 1 year ago
I hate babies.
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Great topic, great visual data, wonderfully presented.
downstube 1 year ago
To the democrats I voted for I make the following appeal: In order to make our economy more robust and our businesses more competitive please 1. raise interest rates to encourage consumers to save more which will also give banks more capital to lend out to businesses and 2. repeal the minimum wage back to the ‘06 level. This is the only way to spur new growth without increasing the deficit. In fact, this would reduce the deficit, reduce unemplymt., and increase bus. growth & competitiveness.
studentofprogress 1 year ago
Babies learn faster because they are surrounded by the language day and night, because there has to be somebody looking after them. It really just comes down to language immersion.
ThinkTank255 1 year ago
A very good talk TED. keep it up!
9009tubeyou 1 year ago
Tic…Tic...Tic...
Teeny-weeny contraction...
Of compassion...
Affectionately...
Cherish a love...
Through their...
Teeny-weeny...
Gentle hearts...
©...Aronne
aarongluzman 1 year ago
Please drink some water so your lips dont make this tasty sound ...
sukablianah2 1 year ago
@sukablianah2 - Actually, I think that's her dentures...not much more comforting...and, yeah, I tried to not notice it. But it was pretty distracting to me as well.
skeletonmom 1 year ago
I would not allow my baby to be placed in that MEG machine.
DancingChakra 1 year ago
i have a friend who learned german just by watching tv when he came to austria at the age of 6. thats also the reason why he has a german accent (he watched german tv and not austrian) so i cant really believe the results of this study...
Futschigama 1 year ago
@Futschigama it could be that by that age his brain understood the tv as having a person in front of him... it happend the same for me with english at 10 with subtitled movies
nachoijp 1 year ago
I learned to speak English before I went to school and I had no direct interaction with persons who were native or non-native english speakers. My parents second language is russian but they didn't speak it around me when I was goring up so I don't know russian at all but I'm proficient in english just from video-audio media sources. In conclusion I'm prof her study is not accurate ( I have friends in similar cases )
MaCs1313 1 year ago
Great talk!!
kimkjederseg 1 year ago
i was expecting the MEG results in more detail.
yourtube20061 1 year ago
must admit saw a women on TED and though here we go again , but...... she is a real scientist ,good interesting video .
sausage4mash 1 year ago
''Ypu know only of typical so be quiet." Do you teach civil debate during the lessons, as well? What you just described is a large company called Gaba in Japan. I'm personally familiar with every method you described. Your company is far from unique and you've made my arguments for me concerning time, $ and commitment. I understand it's possible, but those are luxuries that less than 1% of students have. It's anecdotal evidence and not enough to discredit a renowned linguist on TED."
carousel1130 1 year ago
@carousel1130
She is just another ivory tower technogeek who cant make it in the real world. We make 5 million dollars every year with our method because we show results...We have a month long waiting list here in the US so That is my argument
uqutaq 1 year ago
kewl :V
Booshibonton 1 year ago
1:00 wtf is Jesus doin there?
elchafa 1 year ago
I own a language school and we teach adults all the time and we bring people to full bilinguilism in less than a year. Another technocrat who never bothered to live in the real world and lives in her Ivory Tower. Her theory is nonsense... Smart people always learn new skills. Morons never learn anything
uqutaq 1 year ago
@uqutaq I've taught ESL in Asia for 5 years and promise you're not able to bring people to full bilingualism in one year. Maybe if the student just crams like mad and spends more than half their day using the language, but few students actually have time or opportunity to do so. ''Fluent'' is used too loosely and learning a language has little to do with how smart someone is, but simply time and effort.
carousel1130 1 year ago
@carousel1130
so your experience is better than mine??? We do it every year. It IS about smarts... people who understand quickly and make logical associations with our accelareted method DO learn in a year. Maybe you are just not a good teacher. In 500 hours, we can take someone from beginner 2 to advanced 2 in 50 weeks
uqutaq 1 year ago
@uqutaq Exposure and practicing language doesn't require a high degree of intelligence. I've seen idiots master foreign languages. 500 hrs. is a good start. I could never learn Spanish in a class but learned Japanese by dating and speaking it all day. This what I don't like about the ESL industry, always the same radical and unsubstantiated claims, that they've revolutionized language study. A teacher's role is simply to get the student speaking, confident, and aware of why they made a mistake.
carousel1130 1 year ago
@carousel1130
have you ever studied with a private coach?? Not your typical cliche Group course like in Japan and Taiwan with over 20 people in the class BUT a real private coach?? Someone who will provide all the tools to accelarate by a factor of 8 what you would learn in a class. You see my friend, 98% of all language schools make the mistake of assuming that information broadcast is what helps you learn when in fact it is punctual corrections and personal guidance that will do the trick
uqutaq 1 year ago
@carousel1130
so your experience is better than mine??? Maybe you are just not a good teacher... We do it every year. It IS about smarts... people who understand quickly and make logical associations with our accelareted method DO learn in a year. . In 500 hours, we can take someone from beginner 2 to advanced 5 in 50 weeks. Advanced 5 is considered bilingual... Not perfect but fully functionnal. The person understand 100% of the content of a news bulletin and speaks without making mistakes.
uqutaq 1 year ago
@uqutaq But if you're able to get working adults with kids to spend an hour to two hours a day at your school you're making my argument for me, that time is the crucial factor. Unfortunately, that's rare. Doesn't matter which of us is Super Teacher. The last thing you want is to make your student dependent upon you. I've taught and I've been taught. Show them how to learn, make it enjoyable, and you won't need a gimmick like every company has.
carousel1130 1 year ago
@carousel1130
There is NO gimmick... Just a better understanding of how languages operate... Immersion does nothing for anyone unless we get proper coaching.... My company specializes in private coaching for the rich who have between 8 and 25 thousand to spend. We cater to business individuals who will study 10 hours per week under strict supervision. All our student must pass a rigourous test to see if thery have the means and skills to take our course. Ypu know only of typical so be quiet
uqutaq 1 year ago
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@uqutaq ''Ypu know only of typical so be quiet." Do you teach civil debate during the lessons, as well? What you just described is a large company called Gaba in Japan. I'm personally familiar with every method you described. Your company is far from unique and you've made my arguments for me concerning time, $ and commitment. I understand it's possible, but those are luxuries that less than 1% of students have. It's anecdotal evidence and not enough to discredit a renowned linguist on TED.
carousel1130 1 year ago
@uqutaq There is NO gimmick... "Just a better understanding of how languages operate..." ...are you kidding?!? ...Language is simply a tool for communicating any operation of it is done by humans~people operate ie: if you had typed ...just a better understanding of how people use or 'operate' languages ...you might have supported your point but alas beginning with a denial statement provides the forensic evidence that language is your business gimmick
...just a simple thought on language : )
gaiagale 1 year ago
I'm only going to buy a rolex if it submerges deeper than 2,000,000 feet. ( of course i'd be pretty dead at that depth, but my rolex will still be working for my son to use it even deeper than me.
drout0 1 year ago
What a stupid commercial for a watch. Basically they're saying "there's no practical reason to have one of these watches, so we'll just keep making them waterproof to depths that no human could ever survive so... yeah"
RichoRosai 1 year ago
I agree with @dushevka. Most south Indians like me are multi-lingual because everyday we deal with people who speak different languages. We learn new languages even as adults. I speak 6 languages, sometimes mixing two or three in a sentence.
SirTubelot 1 year ago
Tic…Tic...Tic...
Teeny-weeny contraction...
Of compassion...
Affectionately...
Cherish a love...
Through their...
Teeny-weeny...
Gentle hearts...
©...Aronne
aarongluzman 1 year ago
I don't think being bi-tri-or whatever-lingual is some sort of a miracle - only people or nations that don't give a shit or don't have the need for a second language think like that - especially english / chinese speaking people.
in europe (excluding UK, germany, spain, france, italy) is really common for someone to speak at least 2 languages, but usually more.
I speak 5 languages, 3 of them I learned after I was 15, but I'm no super-human and my head still didn't explode.
dushevka 1 year ago 30
@dushevka "I speak 5 languages, 3 of them I learned after I was 15, but I'm no super-human and my head still didn't explode."
I think babies learn languages in the span of a few years simply because they have lots of time, and people eager to tell them what this thing is or that thing. An adult with time on his hands can also learn a language relatively fast, maybe faster than a toddler.
UnconformistSheep 1 year ago
@UnconformistSheep I was bothered by this video because it implies that there's a biological / age reason behind people's inability to learn more than 1 or 2 languages. I think it's due to your environment or personal interest whether you learn or not.
and I'm not "an adult with time on my hands", I'm a normal colege-going part-time worker - so time isn't something I generally have. but I do think languages are a part of basic education.
dushevka 1 year ago
@dushevka
Where did the video imply this? All it said was that as we get older, it becomes way more difficult to learn a new language than it does when young.
xxxFaustusxxx 1 year ago
@dushevka dude, I wasn't disagreeing with you.
UnconformistSheep 1 year ago
@UnconformistSheep I know, I was just elaborating for some unknown reason. sorry.
not a dude though :)
dushevka 1 year ago
@UnconformistSheep That is such a good point!
tetranoob 1 year ago
@UnconformistSheep Congrats on being able to speak 5 ...I'm envious but more than that I have respect that you have used your time to grow your linguistics knowledge base ...further I agree with your point that both adults and babies learn languages when they give themselves time to do so
gaiagale 1 year ago
@dushevka I agree. I used to live in Poland, so I speak two languages. When I came to the US, I was praised as some miracle child for being able to read and write in two languages, especially since I was learning a third in middle school. But when I began talking to my old friends from Poland, met a girl who just came from Poland, and had a friend visit from Poland, I realized; holy sheet, every teenager in Poland can speak English almost fluently. It made me feel less special.... *sniff*
dragonofthedarknight 1 year ago
@dushevka She is not saying that you need to be a super-human to learn a second language. What she is saying is that we learn a second language effortlessly when as babies or toddlers. The older we are, the more effort and skills are needed for us to learn a second language, therefore much harder for most people who are older than 15-20 years old.
MiloShen 1 year ago
@MiloShen yes, and I disagree. I can't agree - I'm not an example of this theory (for I needed the same or less time for a 3rd, 4th and 5th language as my first 2 I learned prior to age of 7) and I know a lot people that aren't either. anyone with interest can learn it in a reasonable time - in my opinion - much similar to the time babies need.
dushevka 1 year ago
@dushevka I'm saying EFFORTLESSLY. Babies and toddlers are like sponge at that stage and they just absorb the language without having to sit down to learn the grammar or sentence structure. When people get older, it's still possible to learn another language, but it needs more time and effort. For some people like you, it may seem easier than other people but still time and effort are required. Also having had a bilingual background may have helped you in another language acquisition.
MiloShen 1 year ago
@MiloShen I know what you wan't to say, but you can hardly compare the baby with an adult - it's a matter of approach to learning - babies learn with copying and constant listening, while adults do it in combination with learning (in schools or other forms) because it's more practical. I don't come from a bilingual background, my parents don't speak english (or very poorly) and I wouldn't generalize if I didn't knew a lot of people like me (I hardly know a person that speak only one language)
dushevka 1 year ago
@dushevka Bilingual background doesn't mean that you have to have parents who speak two different languages. Bilingual background can be a home language environment and a school / friends language environment. A lot of European countries are adjacent to each other and kids living there have a lot of exposure to social, audio and visual-audio language exposure, so their growing up environment gives them an advantage to be immersed in more than one language.
MiloShen 1 year ago
@MiloShen 1. I'm from a bilingual background as anyone with internet, TV, radio. the closest english speaking country is UK and it's about 1200 km away. 2. I don't disagree with everything she says, but she does leave an impression about people's ability to learn new languages. I would also like to see a comparison between the time an adult (due to his life, work etc.) can invest into learning and babies. I don't think it's comparable. and this is really going nowhere. let's agree, we disagree.
dushevka 1 year ago
@dushevka A lot of Chinese people are at least bilingual.
mtdeezy 1 year ago
@mtdeezy yeah. from 80 to 220 million. but I wouldn't call 6-17% of all population a lot.
dushevka 1 year ago
@dushevka She never said in her talk that being bi or tri-lingual is some sort of a miracle. She is simply pointing out baby/children's language acquisition process and how their little brain works in distinguishing the differences at such an early age. It is an indisputable scientific finding that a human being's ability to acquire a new language declines with age. If you are to study Chinese now, I'm sure you will find it a lot harder to master it than a Caucasian child who is exposed to it.
MiloShen 1 year ago
@dushevka That's not what she said in the talk. I'm a Spanish/English/Latin teacher and I can assure you, as far as my personal experience go, the younger the kid the easier is to teach. Teenagers and adults have much more problems in learning and take in account that this is a country were a second language is mandatory in schools.
AguzSuiCaedere 1 year ago
@AguzSuiCaedere I agree. I worked in a bilingual (Chinese and English) school for many years and have witnessed the same result. The younger they are, the easier it is for them to learn a new language. Once they are in the Secondary age, although their parents spent a lot of money on hiring private tuition for them, many of them still struggled for a while. Some did make pretty good progress in the end but they admitted that they spent a lot of time and effort on learning it.
MiloShen 1 year ago
@dushevka excluding UK, germany, spain, france, and italy? how the hell do you figure that? those countries value language just as much as other EU countries.
crackyhoss 1 year ago
@dushevka Same here, left school at 16 and now fluent in 4 languages and I get by reasonably in another 3.
Just because I got exposed to foreigners a lot and wished to be able to communicate. All self tought.
And the wonderful thing is getting exposed to attitudes, stories and world-views you never knew existed!
Easiest way to broaden your mind is to understand other cultures. Speaking only your native language is like looking at the world through a key hole...
ratje67 1 year ago
@dushevka Its not that its a miracle, she is just saying that its easier for babies to learn. Of course its possible to learn languages after 15, or even 50, its just more difficult. I actually have know a bunch of Europeans who also find it incredible how babies learn language.
ksten17 1 year ago
@dushevka 5 languages! Well aint you just special. I agree, I only speak one language, but wish I could speak others. I was unfortunately never given the chance to learn them at a young age. All of my language teachers were piss poor, and I can confidently say that I or any one else, regardless of how hard we tried could ever grasp the concept of the other languages. The only real way to learn the language is to live in a foreign language speaking country.
joslinnick 1 year ago
@dushevka hey, way to congratulate yourself and throw in jab at Americans/Chinese. Your modest admission that you're not super-human was hilariously transparent. Nowhere in this presentation was it suggested that multilingualism was a miracle. It was only suggesting how much easier it is for young children than it is for adults. This doesn't imply that it's impossible for adults. Just because you're good at picking up language doesn't mean this research isn't important and useful.
tdietz20 1 year ago 37
@dushevka
You have to take into account that a lot of European languages come from the same family. For example, if you speak Spanish, it's not hard to pick up Italian, French, Romanian, or Portuguese just from immersion. There's not a lot of distance to cover between those countries, and the language structure is pretty similar.
It's another story for a native English speaker learning Korean or an Arabic speaker learning Russian. So try not to be such a dick.
djryce 10 months ago 8
@djryce European languages have been rraced back to an ancient lanuage called Rusyn . Last remanents spoke it in the Carpathian mountains. My dad spoke it and it was wiped out by the communists. Legendary symbolism is contained in the words and the family names and commies want to rewrite history. Root of all human languages was founfd in a valley I beleive in Uzbeckstan leads credence to the legend that the whole world spoke one language.
gewraldruzkalukaniuk 4 weeks ago
I want a rolex now
Danen3 1 year ago
I think it has something to do with once we can communicate our focus shifts from talking to fitting in with social prejudice.
GrimSoul66 1 year ago
. sigh once a langauge is fully established it is plain and simple logic to reduce the power to that aim.
and do keep in mind lang and typing has 0 to do with eachother
thejlx 1 year ago
wow she must be on some heavy drugs.
NR1 state the obviuos. you learn what your parents speaks and wow your brain actually prefers the emotional correlate language.
so now we wasting milliions on making sure what ppl knew since we were apes O_O. a finn wont be enclined to speak chink and a chink is not enclined to speak finn well that is bloody obviuos aint it
thejlx 1 year ago
This machine could be used to study the brain of animals in the same way. You'll understand them better as well, and stop thinking about them as insignificant because it probably light up just like those babies. Will humans stop harming and abusing animals then?
NickJoshKarean 1 year ago
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MusicStudyMan 1 year ago
Rocket science isn't actually that hard.
tinosnit 1 year ago
finally, TED back in its good old form
advaiticlife 1 year ago
So one gets worse at a general task as one specializes. Surprise.
0MoTheG 1 year ago
Hang on - i started to learn another language at the age of 33 - and i'm not bad at my chosen second language - i am not perfect but i don't wana be
austpom333 1 year ago
@austpom333 yeah i liked this video but i think people often misunderstand the critical period. A baby/child approaches language with an alert openness. Sort of lacking prejudice by default because after all they are new to this world :o) And chances are austpom333 you can also listen to 'foreign' sounds in such a way...
there are actually Language classes now where student are advised to not speak the new language for approximatley 1000 hours. They sit through experiential classes- No books-
tetranoob 1 year ago
@tetranoob no writing- no exams. they just absorb the language being spoken by the teachers. see ALG Automatic Language Growth videos on youtube. Also a short video by Stephen Krashen .StephenKrashenscomprehensibleinput also on youtube :o)
tetranoob 1 year ago
@austpom333 you can't be perfect at it
awesome220 1 year ago
It is sad there are even the trolls who thumb down ted talks...
Sad day for the internet :(
GreatSmeagola 1 year ago
This is the TED we all want
niniomigrania 1 year ago
booooo
TheStockAim 1 year ago
amazing video!! guess i'll have to speak to my babies in 3 langagues, they'll be my little experiments =)
valerie828 1 year ago
blablabla babies blabla tedwomen
Ramsez 1 year ago
@Ramsez Is your comment sarcastic or am I missing something?
maxpegasus1 1 year ago
@Ramsez Read the description.
kinsmed 1 year ago
I'm a native English speaker with a 9 month old who I and my wife only speak Japanese to.
Now I'm a bit worried that my kid won't understand a bloody thing when I start teaching her English...
JiyuuDaiIchi 1 year ago
@JiyuuDaiIchi If you live in an English speaking area, you have nothing to worry about. Children will pick up the language that is all around them. Think of all the 2nd generation immigrants who speak perfect English, and have to translate for their parents, because their parents don't speak any themselves.
puellanivis 1 year ago 2
@puellanivis
We live in Japan. I am fully bi-lingual (Eng & Jap) but my wife and her family and the community only speak Japanese.
Besides the few times my family (all English speakers) have come to see the baby, she's never had any exposure to English...
JiyuuDaiIchi 1 year ago
@JiyuuDaiIchi if you speak one language (english for example) to your child your child will speak that language as clearly as you do
...by the same token : ) if you mix two languages your child will learn that too : ) ...your child will learn Japanese from those who speak Japanese to her ...and around her
...and she has had exposure to english : ) You ...you are her living (english) resource so speak it ...have fun help her understand language is simply a tool for communicating with each other
gaiagale 1 year ago
@JiyuuDaiIchi doesn't matter. children have that crazy learning ability until the age of 7. until then you can lay the foundation for any language really quickly just by talking to her. (and not just language. any skill, any art. people usually waste their children's potential by letting them play with stupid dolls all the time. show her different musical instruments, let her play with them, let her draw a lot. you know, all the stuff that develops creativity and abstract thinking.)
KilluaXIII 1 year ago
@JiyuuDaiIchi why would the child not learn a 2nd language? unless it is retarded there is no reason to think there will be any problem. Unless exposed too on a daily basis it will have to learn the language like any other person.
0MoTheG 1 year ago
Spanish subtitles!
Subtítulos en español!
HowlinArcticWolf 1 year ago
@HowlinArcticWolf En la pag. oficial de TED (hay un link en el video) los tinen con subtitulos.
NilVG 1 year ago
god damn that Rolex commercial is so hot.
SuperiorApostate 1 year ago 6
Good to know - Will get the wife to only speak Mandarin, and I will only speak English to our child. All going good will have a broad range of statistics. (may confuse alot though due to masculine and feminine).
AvgasStew 1 year ago
Wow, she clearly didn't need to go to TEDwomen to speak at a TED conference.
LikeAPossum 1 year ago 3
It's like sociolinguistics + neurolinguistics! Chomsky will be so pissed when he sees this ^__^
DrQuijano 1 year ago
this was so interesting & enjoyable!
NatureLegalized 1 year ago
Finally a good talk
zydomason 1 year ago 15
this was actually very interesting talk. had my attention from beginning to the end.
good work, TED.
dootzky 1 year ago 2
It's science, baby!
reafdaw01 1 year ago
now i want to learn mandarin aswell!
oxygenownz 1 year ago
for right now, if you want to know what it's like to be human... just play MassEffect
spacemant56 1 year ago
At 3:43, Kuhl's black pants merge so well with the background dark she appears to be a floating, talking torso.
bradwatson7324 1 year ago
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gaiagale 1 year ago
@bradwatson7324 ...interesting description of your observation ...indeed : ) ...I re viewed the video after reading your comment ...I did see the moment with eyes purposefully opened ...it is always interesting for me to look again... : )
thanks for commenting : )
gaiagale 1 year ago
Well thank you for that Dr. Kuhl. :)
t3tsuyaguy1 1 year ago
Babies are taking statistics? Ah...no, I don't think so lady.
bdeaner 1 year ago
@bdeaner what she meant is that you subconsciously tend to memorize that which you hear most. if you don't get that you probably were put in front of the tv by your retard parents as a baby and thus turned degenerate. good luck ^^
KilluaXIII 1 year ago
@KilluaXIII
Your offensive statement indicates much more about your sub-optimal intelligence than anything I've said. The fact is, babies don't take statistics, and it is misleading to say they do. (This kind of statement is a fundamental error propagated by cognitivism since the beginning). If she meant to say "subconsciously memorize," that's what she should have said. Now go change your diaper, kid.
bdeaner 1 year ago
If Babies are so smart then, why can't they vote??
paradoarify 1 year ago
@paradoarify cause not even genius babies can make sense of politicians! :D
personally, i'd like to see if babies respond better to female of male interactions.
;d
666norton420 1 year ago
This talk includes mention of monolingual and bilingual, but not polylingual. Also, there's no mention of auditory eidetics.
As a bilingual auditory eidtetic on the way to becoming a polyglot, i KNOW i analyze sound patterns as well as tone patterns and scemantics when listening to languages, and can repeat a sentence with high accuracy after hearing it just one or a few times.
At the moment (age 23) i speak 5 languages fluent, and can write, speak, or understand parts of 5 more.
gulllars 1 year ago
@gulllars sorry I don't quite understand... you're bilingual but you speak 5 languages fluently? Wouldn't that mean more than bilingual? That's a cool ability btw
chessfan6 1 year ago
@chessfan6 i meant i speak 2 languages natively, and 3 more learned.
gulllars 1 year ago
@gulllars You probably have a natural talent for language.
Hopefully, Kuhl's research may lead to medicines or therapies that will make us all virtuosos in language among many other things.
sexyloser 1 year ago
Good presententation, Patricia, but you should find a better location for your microphone. It's difficult to focus on the words you are saying when I'm distracted by the sound effects of your mouth.
HayteTank 1 year ago
9:35 "Brain Based Interventions"?
You mean MIND CONTROL...
I'm sure that will only be used for good and not evil.... *sigh*
DackIsBack 1 year ago
PUNCHING BABIES IS FUN.
DackIsBack 1 year ago
@DackIsBack KICKING THEM OVER THE FENCE IS BETTER.
cmd2tuts 1 year ago
OMG! ITS AN OISTER!
But seriously awesome presentation. Soemtimes I wish I was a baby, or atleast as good as one.
raydredX 1 year ago
Finally! A TED talk that isn't about some fluffy progressive liberal agenda...
eagleeye1975 1 year ago
and so a new story begins
amazing research
shintsu01 1 year ago
Very interesting! Thank you!
ourDC888 1 year ago
Great topic, but please, next time drink some water to avoid the extra noises coming out of your mouth. It drove all the listeners around me crazy. Kind of funny, giving the nature of this lecture...
suramerica 1 year ago
@suramerica Exactly my thoughts.
psilocyberspaceman 1 year ago
If I have kids, I kind of want to pay immigrants to come over regularly and talk to them as if English didn't exist. Sure, partly because it might make them supergenuis, but wouldn't it just be fun?
zassounotsukushi 1 year ago
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SWAC424 1 year ago
awesome! now that's an amazing TED talk, thank you!
p.s.: anyone notice how when a great woman is speaking it's TED and when some stupid cunt blabbers meaningless bullshit it's TEDwomen? looks like the requirement to support gender-based separation is being stupid, no matter what gender you are
KilluaXIII 1 year ago 84
Babies do the right thing! they just absorb, grow the language (build linguistic statics). brilliant :o) Let's not deny our own plasticity, adults can do this also. The key is to do what babies do.
see the works of Dr. J Marvin Brown
or Stephen Krashen
tetranoob 1 year ago
@tetranoob ...I absolutely agree ...I have tested this ...may I say ..."Let's" acknowledge "our own plasticity" ...to add evidence to your statement in the same way that once we learn to ride a bike we always remember "how to ride a bike" ...our ability to ride depends largely on if we actually ride again.
I was thrilled to read your astute comment because I have believed this for a long time and your comment was the first to support such a simple logical concept "adults can do this also".
gaiagale 1 year ago
@tetranoob ...further (forgive me for going on and on but this is really exciting thinking) ... may I say oops type in support of your comment that ...we all know that each one of us was a baby once ...the skills we had as a baby are still with us perhaps a little dust covered for want of use but absolutely still with each one of us
the Key IS ...indeed ...do what babies do ...open our minds : ) fully engage : ) ...grow the language!!! ...live the language
gaiagale 1 year ago
@gaiagale Your brain changes, so you can't do that! The change servers a purpose too, so you can't go through life as a baby.
tristbjorn 1 year ago
@gaiagale Your comments are much appreciated :o) I have been following the ALG Automatic Language Growth classes for Thai language. These classes follow the baby approach.
Academic language learning has some serious flaws. Students try to speak on their first day, babies don't speak but have a looooong absorption period. Babies do not read. adults try to read on their first day of a new language class again contrary to the auditory absorption period. Adults learn grammar and phonics...
tetranoob 1 year ago
@tetranoob babies will not learn grammar or spelling/ what a verb or an adjective is. These things all come after the language is actually built in their mind. Once a child moves into the structured academic world of schooling they are subjected to curriculum's/ exams/ learning lists of new vocabulary. I'm not necessarily knocking this but it is contrary to what humans have been doing for most of their evolution. Remember written language is a very new thing for humans :o)
tetranoob 1 year ago
@tetranoob in considering this statement "babies will not learn grammar" I have experienced that babies do learn grammar(how words are put together) exactly as they live/hear it ...they do construct their short word grouping exactly as it is shared with and around them ...babies are awesome mirrors...in that they provide us precious gentle opportunity to look at ourselves again
thank-you for sharing your understanding and your knowledge I have found your comments worth reading even inspiring
gaiagale 1 year ago
@gaiagale You are quite correct babies do learn grammar. I poorly constructed my comment :o) I was trying to say they are not academically taught the rules of grammar.
And thank you so much for your kind comments :o)
tetranoob 1 year ago
@tetranoob it could be argued that because adults suck at learning a new language compared to baby's, it might be more efficient to use our intelligence and 'brute force' learn the language by simply memorising sentence structure and vocabulary.
Neylonx 1 year ago
@tetranoob ...I agree ...academia is all about rules and expectation to predetermined standards ...growing language is fundamentally about listening/hearing and reproducing the sounds ...from birth babies spend months making all kinds of sounds with their physical linguistic tools ie mouth vocal-cords etc ...why ...because they can and it is one of the many ways babies test out this new world ...after a while they begin that honing process of repeating the sounds they hear ...refining... :- )
gaiagale 1 year ago
I don't know... I remember I studied in French for my first 10 years of school, no English until Highschool. But I spoke English with my family and friends. I didn't really learn French until I was about 12 or so. Since then I've learned German, Korean, Japanese, and am now working on Mandarin. I feel the advantage of understanding the learning process is huge, which babies don't have.
Mhyque 1 year ago
everything she talked about... was in my psychology of language textbook...
ybefutile 1 year ago
I'd like to see the data from that white chair while the baby is engaging with their mom instead of just a recording.
amjPeace 1 year ago
next gen brainwashing. get em while they're young.
Icepaxx 1 year ago
I can't wait till we can turn on the language acquisition genes.
xNickTheBrickx 1 year ago
I think this is fantastic. As I age I can feel the malleability of my brain slowly shrinking, and I am approaching the last era of learning. Yet there are decades of learning ahead of me, as I never want to stop growing and developing. I can only hope study like this can help us allow the human mind to constantly bloom throughout our lives.
kaosgoblin 1 year ago
i would have lovet to hear an advice for the parents with their children
Dorniel 1 year ago
@Dorniel I would say talk to your babies normally, as you would talk to an adult. Otherwise, he will get used to the "baby talk" language that won't be very useful as he grows.
Kebabsoup 1 year ago 2
@Kebabsoup thanks, but i was looking for an advice with multiple languajes, is better to talk to them in different ones? in an espescific one?
Dorniel 1 year ago
@Kebabsoup thanks, but actually the advice i wal looking for is about the languajes itself, is better to talk them in multiple languajes? in an spescific one? something like that
Dorniel 1 year ago
@Dorniel Mhh yeah good question. I tend to believe babies are actually already smart enough to learn several languages at once. But I'm not sure he can understand that they are separate languages, maybe there can be quite some mixing up
Maybe if one parent speaks in one language and the other parent in another one, he can separate "dad-language" with "mom language". To that you can maybe add a "kindergarten language". dunno just guessing.
Kebabsoup 1 year ago