Contraception and the male pill: boys, get over yourselves

[SomenoobIoI]

The fact of the matter is that women who lie about taking the pill in order to become pregnant do exist, even if uncommon. Using deception to take money from somebody is a scam, and in this case, it's a LEGAL one.

Telling men to 'think before they fuck' is blaming the victims for allowing themselves to be victimised.

Furthermore, condoms are not effective as a birth control option if this 'predatory woman' is allowed to tamper with them, before or after use.

A more reliable option is needed.

[Brajabu74]

Your points suck, badly. Think before you fuck? Isn't that a 2 way street? This is pretty easy morality, coming from a homosexual. I don't judge your lifestyle, it would be nice if you didn't judge mine.

[brian4480]

"I just find it delightfully ironic that my radical feminist self is more masculine than most of the chest-beating anti-fems on this site." Do you own a mirror? You have the weakest features I have ever seen. You make Mia Hamm look like a male body builder. One of two things is true about you....1. you are gay. 2. Your "wife" has bigger arms then you and likes to use them. At least being gay is respectable and equal to both partners. No real straight guy wants hands in his butt.

[ManSpeakOut]

If you want the truth then take the red pill, go to the site MRAGreatestHits suggested and wake up.

Being blind and oblivious is dangerous, and even worse so when you help accelerating the process of our own destruction.

[ManSpeakOut]

The creator of the pill eventually proved their unproven claims to be false, but that took years to do all the necessary tests and by that time, the health organization he had working on the pill went bankrupt, thus officially stopping the pill from being distributed.

Plus the creator of the pill and his organization was brutally and mercilessly attacked by the media.

[ManSpeakOut]

You reek of manginocity.

You're a disgrace to men, and the very meaning of equality.

You must be really weak-minded to fall for this propaganda.

There is pills that have been created that are more effective and more safe then the female pill, but FDA refuses to approve them.

One came close to releasing in Brazil, till the feminists you suck up to came into the scene and made unproven claims that the pill would hurt unborn fetuses, which stopped everything

[MRAGreatestHits]

You have really bought into the propaganda and are way off the mark here. 500 characters cannot outline the stupidity. You are too far gone and most certainly have not avoided emasculating yourself, there is nothing masculine about you, you could have the chest of a yeti, but once you open your mouth this will not help you.

fatherhood by choice dot org (thanks to ManSpeaksOut for great resource)

[DavyTom71]

Another middle-class, hen-pecked 'feminist' man. He is moving around a lot in this video - maybe his sandals are uncomfortable. Birth control has totally come under the control of feminists. A male contraceptive has been around in laboratories for years but governments are reluctant to back the male pill (under orders from the femi-fascists; sorry, I mean women's rights lobbyists), so pharmaceutical companies don't want to develop and produce them

[unfortunatebeam]

We all understand that women, because they have two x chromosomes, have to bear the discomfort of gestating a fetus and then the pain--actually a pain that has been mitigated due to painkillers--of giving birth. But in the context of today, it is very important that men have such an option due to the new realities of what women can do behind men's backs, for example have a baby without the dad knowing and, even tho he had no idea, be able to legally sue for years of retro-active child support.

[OniNoFro]

Well presented but would you have the same level of conviction if the sex (hate using the word gender) was switched?

Would you be willing to use the same fundamentally speaking, arguments against women having the pill?

Obviously setting aside the fact they've had it for what, 50 years.

The interesting thing is you bring up, in principle, the same arguments which were attempted by some to prevent women from having the pill.

I hope you can see the irony in this.

[Lachdenan]

Well, if you prefer to be enslaved at the drop of a hat for two decades at a time or so, go right ahead. We'll just be...over...here. Way over here.

[annpetasupporter]

Also, by how the MRA guys talk, you'd think they think it's women and feminists that are keeping the male birth control pill unavailable. Typically men are the ones in control of the pharmaceutical companies, not women. Those men are the ones they should be upset with, not feminists, who generally take no issue with male birth control.

[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

The way MRAs are talking isn't to suggest that feminists and women are suppressing the pill. Rather, socially speaking, feminists are attacking the idea of a male pill and women in general are expressing their distrust of men when it comes to men having access and using such a thing.

Now to be clear, the feminists aren't actively protesting it. But in public discourse, they are spreading the sentiment that men can't be trusted to use it.

Interesting, huh?

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

You are writing as if this is some new idea that I haven't heard of from MRAs before. There is some distrust among some women and feminists. That is indisputable and not surprising. It would be hard for me to trust another person to do that regardless of gender. Men already have a hard time trusting women, so pointing the finger at women for not trusting men to take the pill, while at the same time not trusting women to do the same thing is a bit hypocritical if you ask me.

[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

Incorrect. I'm writing to point out the obvious; nothing new here. Perhaps novelty to the idea of it being openly voiced; is that what you mean?

I am saying if women aren't willing to trust men to take a pill then how can it be reasonable to trust women to? Especially with the body of evidence which exists; aka the Family Court industry.

I'm also saying it's interesting to see women use the arguments which were attempted 50yrs ago to stop their pill...

Clearer in 500c?

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

"Perhaps novelty to the idea of it being openly voiced; is that what you mean?"

LOL, it's very openly voiced. I hear it all the time.

"I am saying if women aren't willing to trust men to take a pill then how can it be reasonable to trust women to?"

I wasn't suggesting that at all. I think you would realize that if you read my entire response.



[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

Then why suggest stance of novelty? As stated, I make no such claim nor pretense. Nor is my question genuine; it's rhetorical...

I have indeed read the entire section. have you?

Simply put. Men should have an option once determined to be viable.

Once viable, if there is social resistance, cause of resistance should be identified and addressed so progress can occur.

Once the option is in the market, men & women should coordinate to the level of acceptable personal risk.

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

Your comment,"Interesting, huh?", implies you thought this was new info to me. I was simply pointing out to you that it was not, and that it is, in fact, an argument I've heard from you guys over and over again. If you had read the entire section, you would have clearly realized by me repeatedly saying I want a male birth control available for personal reasons and that I think it's reasonable for anyone, regardless of gender, to not fully trust the other person to take the pill.

[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

Really? I thought my comment of "interesting huh?" was more about how interesting it is in a 21st environment of equality there's very much a relative and contextually determined scale of acceptability.

I too want a male pill but I think it's important for men and women to understand why both need to look at how and why some vocally resist the idea (not you... some... let me say that again... some) as much as they do.

In any case, we both fundamentally agree but 500c makes...

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

Hmmm, must have just been a misunderstanding then.

[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

makes for accidental argument instead of complementary statements.

Although, I also do find it interesting how often, especially on the internet, the idea of exclusive correctness/thoughts occur.

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

I personally think it would be a great idea to have a male birth control pill and would honestly be very happy not to have to worry about all the side effects I have to deal with from taking it for myself if it was a person I felt I could trust. Also, women aren't the only ones who trick men into pregnancy. Men do it to women all the time as well, especially abusive male partners by tampering with their birth control.

[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

How often does this happen? Really? I'm not saying it doesn't but the connotation of "all the time" really would inflate the activity beyond reasonable measure.

Given an environment of No Fault divorce and how family courts handle child support, it doesn't seem even moderately rational. Then again, people in general are stupid.

Setting that aside, men should have the pill, women should use a less harmful one AND condoms should be used. All distinct issues & effects.

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

Abusers tend to go to great lengths to control their partners and make sure they are vulnerable, dependent, and unable to leave. One way to do that is to keep them pregnant.

[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

True abusers are evil but again how often does it occur?

And given the social services available throughout North America for women, truly, how long are these situations maintained?

Again, I'm not saying they don't occur. Rather they are not as common as possibly suggested.

In any case, if you post a video on the issue, we can take about female reproductive abuse there. Otherwise, we detract from a genuine discussion of basic male reproductive rights right here.

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

I am unable to make videos, but I am making a genuine couterargument to something I hear from MRAs all the time. Considering that it's one of the main "points" you (maybe not you personally) make all the time, that women are constantly getting pregnant without their partner's consent, I do not see how my counterpoint is at all irrelevant.

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

LOL, you must know absolutely nothing about domestic violence issues to sugest the situations must not be maintained for very long because of the available social services...

[annpetasupporter]

@OniNoFro

Pretty much, I don't see why there is any dispute about this in the first place. It should exist. Women/feminists aren't stopping it from happening. All the pharmaceutical companies care about is their profit. If they think they can make a profit from it, they will make it will happen, and like I think I already pointed out, it's men who are typically running these companies and making those sorts of decisions, so it's really those men that you should be blaming.

[OniNoFro]

@annpetasupporter

Seeing as I've been following the issue for... over 2 decades, I'm inclined to say it's more involved than that.

As scientific attempts are made, observations occur. Success and side effects are noted then test groups, men in this case, determine acceptability. That is the procedural element to it.

Socially however, each time it raises it's head, there is a lot of resistance to the idea of it moving forward (even before it gets to human testing).

[unfortunatebeam]

@annpetasupporter Well the the people who control the pharmaceutical companies are no doubt in it for profit. So my guess is those owners would want to sell a male pill to simply fulfill their corporate duty, which is to make as much profit as possible. However, outside interests, if they are powerful enough (and the feminist lobby is very powerful and influential) can block this from happening.

[annpetasupporter]

Yeah, the two different kinds of birth control pills I've tried have killed my sex drive. I cannot even get an orgasm when I'm them, so when guys complain about condoms and yet still cum faster than I do (when I'm not even on birth control) when they wear them, it's kind of annoying, lol.

[fai1t0liv3]

(...cont) I don't think any man who is serious about Men's Rights would scoff or look down on women's contraceptives, in fact I would think that they would be envious at the freedom that women enjoy.

Pregnancy is only a woman's burden when they become pregnant, therefore, the male pill has nothing to do with the woman's burden.

A last point, No man should ever feel guilty or ashamed about preventing an unwanted pregnancy.

[fai1t0liv3]

You don't get it Decorao. "Think before you fuck" is not a contraceptive. That's like telling a women "keep your legs closed".

I understand that pregnancy is a women's burden not by choice but by nature, however, that does not diminish a man's right to choose when he's ready to become a father.

The male pill will not harm women's rights in any way, because it is not a women's issue. Therefore, any argument made by women against the male pill is moot. (cont...)

[annpetasupporter]

@fai1t0liv3

I don't think he's arguing against having male birth control here, and it's not a part of the feminists' agenda either, which was even actually the first point he made in this video.

[Roland3337]

Castrado my friend, you are being used. You're hardly any different than the Capos at Dachau. And you will never open your eyes and see it. You're a bug-eyed "true believer" that drank way too much of the feminist kool-aid.

[HQR3]

What this gangly castrato doesn't seem to realize is that organized feminism says one thing in public and does quite another in back rooms. The male birth control pill is its worst nightmare: crippling a revolution of single moms and a multi-BILLION dollar child support industry.

Him personally, I pity. He is obviously the social experiment of a radfem mother, one who excised her son's natural maleness, replacing it with sterile dogma. I only hope his partner uses a condom.

[AndrewKo1218]

the so-called "misogynist fantasy" of women tricking men into getting them pregnant is a reality. So men are morons for trusting women? You are a hypocrite and a victim-blamer. And you assume women are virtuous by nature and men are not.  By holding women to a different standard, you are being a sexist. How about you think before you speak next time?

[TakesTwoToTango]

@AndrewKo1218 I know a woman in person who did it... They exist. She did it to her husband who trusted her and just didn't want kids (unlike her). So she stopped taking her pill behind his back, got pregnant, decided to keep the baby, divorce him and take child support.

[TakesTwoToTango]

@AndrewKo1218 I know a woman in person who did it... They exist. She did it to her husband who trusted her and just didn't want kids (unlike her). So she stopped taking her pill behind his back, got pregnant, decided to keep the baby, divorce him and take child support.

[AndrewKo1218]

Men would be more than willing to go to the measures that women do to have the same reporductive rights. To assume that we wouldn't is both condescending and patronizing.

[AndrewKo1218]

Biologically speaking, women are nothing more than sperm receptacles and fetus carriers.

[AndrewKo1218]

You actually come across as quite effeminate and soft-spoken, not masculine.

[ORVX]

Margret Sanger was an avid racist, you're a real sicko

[villainousmoor]

I really hope the women you've put on that pedestal don't fall on you guy{chances are they will because you're an "man" and can take it}, but I just need to say that women are people too, who CAN deceive{whether it's your kid or not}and that doesn't make one a "moron" that make one BETRAYED...but of course those feelings are alien to men so don't worry about it because men aren't really people.

I wonder if you've ever considered real equality for women...I mean 100%

[villainousmoor]

you still live in a society where your son will KNOW and be indoctrinated with the idea that he has no other option but to work for the rest of his life while a little girl will be indoctrinated in the option of choice of stay at home mommy or career woman{sadly stay at home mommy will be the social push}.

Your son will KNOW that he is REQUIRED to fight on the front lines and while women "fought " for the right they're pretty quiet right now.People are people and this is planet Earth...Welcome.

[villainousmoor]

When I reached 7:28 in your video I had to pause and realize that you've left out one HUGE factor of social class/status. You've TOTALLY left that out and while a college educated woman, with a career and ideas that amount to more than the option of stay at home mom or work at Denn'ys might now be out to get guys.

For SOME women it is, simply because it's an innate option for women at ANY class or social level. There's so much more to say but your mind is made I think,but nice opinion.

[Grishnam]

What a shame. It is apparent you've had too many failures in life. The proper action to take would be suicide, not becoming the bitch that you've become in front of a camera.

[Omegafrost69]

I can honestly care less what the feminist think I just want the male pill out. I see no legitament reason why what so ever it shouldn't be out. Extra protection thats all I want.

[annpetasupporter]

@Omegafrost69

There's a male birth control pill that is in the making and it could be available in 3 years. I can't wait b/c the birth control available to me has so far given me a lot of unpleasant side effects. This pill would only need to be taken once every few months and so far seems to not have any side effects b/c it is not hormonal. It simply takes away a protein that is necessary for sperm to fertilize an egg. And it's supposed to be super effective. Pretty cool stuff... :D

[crangdaniel]

why would you deprive yourself reproductive rights? man you are selfdestructive.

[mattcg90]

All legal terms I will use are from official US statutes. The men, who are going to become fathers are usually raped, as defined by various letitigion. This is a tool to prevent ourselves from being made serfs, by extraordinarily cruel circumstances. I understand why you hated to use the cliche "misogyny"; however, their interpretation of events is not paranoia. Without it, I will abstain, for fear of my life and future. These realizations are running through all men now. Our bodies our choice.

[rosskay]

3.The male contraceptive in development ALSO included multiple forms of admistration (pastes, pills, patches, etc) The male contraceptive development is being held back to do dangerous side effects.The CEO's and scientists behind the male birth control, are predominately male- so where does the anti-man, feminist conspiracy fit into ANY of this?

[rosskay]

In response to multiple videos on "male birth control and women" 1.There are more options available to women with contraceptives because women are the ones who get pregnant-it makes sense to have contraceptives developed for them first. This is logical not anti-man. 2. The various forms of bc are really the same or similar hormones just manufactured by different companies, with various types of administration. (same deal different package) so that refures that there are so many more "options"

[rosskay]

Why are these men saying you hate your gender because you are countering the ridiculous and made up anti-feminist conspiracy theories?

[regresseur]

MARGARET SANGER QUOTE: "We should hire three or four colored ministers, preferably with social-service backgrounds, and with engaging personalities. The most successful educational approach to the Negro is through a religious appeal. We don't want the word to go out that we want to exterminate the Negro population. and the minister is the man who can straighten out that idea if it ever occurs to any of their more rebellious members."

[regresseur]

Search for Sanger quotes and watch videos about her here on YouTube. You are so deeply brainwashed it is practically beyond belief. Is this all because you feel that feminists are the only kinds of people who will accept you? I mean, what is the deal here, man? Planned parenthood is essentially doing what Sanger set out to do with it in the first place: Wipe out black people. Far as contraception is concerned: the pill is damaging on many levels, but (cont.)

[regresseur]

I take issue with condoms as well, and regardless of that, I think couples should abstain from intercourse altogether until they decide to have children, and do any number of endless thingsPeopleCanDo together for physical gratification. P.S.Gandhi was also intensely racist and expressed this regularly in his newspaper, The Indian Opinion. Darwin had no scientific background, but was trained as an Episcopalian minister in the Church of England, and wasOne of the richest people on the planet.

[argonaut84]

Really... Seriously... this has to be a joke... Your a foolish person. You need to open your eyes and see what truths are really out there. Maybe crack open a book or do a bit of research. Do us all a favor for your next vid... Stop dancing around in women's pants singing the praises of psycho-fem ranting..

[cl3ft]

At the end of your video you indicated that anyone that gets deceived by a woman must be a moron, and should just "think before you fuck". Maybe every woman you have ever met is completely trustworthy, and has not told a white lie while tipsy etc. but the rest of us live in the real world and know women are just as capable of deception as men. Men just have less choices when it comes to contraception, and the chance of an 18 year financial burden they never planned for or wanted.

[Red0660]

I DO believe we need to do something for male birth control i.e. no condom needed. The amount of environmental estrogens and the amount that is in our recirculated water supplies especially in large citys and industrial areas is GREAT concern. >>This part >>is half joke half real but if we loose any more men to the likes of you we will have a serious epidemic on our hands....

[brokenjohnny]

Dude, I hope you realize that dressing like a chick and campaigning for their ludicrous rights ISN'T GOING TO GET YOU LAID.

EVER.

Dude, work out, build some muscle, boos your confidence a little. But this charade of yours has gotta stop. You're going to end up a 40 year old virgin.

[Yourebuying]

Perhaps you lack any anecdotal evidence, that wouldn't be surprising. I don't know of any woman that would want to breed with someone who looks like you. However it does happen with unsettling regularty, that women in well established relationships will lie in an attempt to get pregnant.

Holy fucking confirmation bias, batman. Why do you hate your gender so much. Assuming that you're not some hairy alien. Do you identify so little with other men that you've adopted this retarded viewpoint?

[Yourebuying]

You are a gigantic bitch.

No amount of chest hair could possibly detract from the fact that you're the worlds biggest queefrocket.

[mattussr]

first, i dont think you have to worry about emasculating yourself. i think that is far from any possible reality.

i would support a male pill. honestly it does make more sense. we dont have the hormonal and cycle issues that women have. in short we have a simpler system with less shit to get fucked up.

however i have heard of women having issues of sterility years after the stop contraceptive drugs. i dont want this for men or women.

[mattussr]

on the issue of condoms.

if sex is no longer fun, or alot less fun, for the man or the woman you would have less use of condoms. since we dont wanna use them, that would mean more chances of pregnancy or complications from contraceptive drugs. neither is acceptable. even though some non-active women use it to regulate their cycle to help aleviate severe gut tearing cramps.

a cure for the common condom is natural membrance. all the sex, without the kids. downside? they are about $8 for 3.

[factory2590]

Thanks for taking the time to make a vid response..

A couple questions...

If a woman makes a mistake, or is conned by a man...is she a moron? If a woman in a long term relationship gets pregnant to keep the relationship, or even just cause she wants a baby, and doesn't tell him...is he a moron still? How about if she upends the condom later to impregnate herself (which HAS happened)?

Lots to think about..

(cont)

[factory2590]

As for the Pill being available because women's bodies blah blah blah. Well, that's simply a variant of "my body, my choice", which was a slogan to make Abortion a strictly female item. The same is being attempted with birth control.

Well, I deserve the right to control my own reproduction. I also deserve the same kinds (or a similar type) of methods...ie, hidden.

You may have no issue with trusting women to do the right thing. I've watched a couple prove you VERY wrong.

(cont)

[factory2590]

The point is, men should not HAVE to trust women any more than women HAVE to trust men.

And yes, there are significant portions of female society that see absolutely nothing wrong with "unintentional" pregnancy, as well as Predatory sex for CS.

In fact, it's a new movement among women.  Perhaps you've heard of Single Mother By Choice?

You pish-posh the idea of men having equality, essentially sying we don't deserve it.

I wholeheartedly disagree with you on that.

[Truth0rDeath]

Good lord. How long have you been taking birth control pills?

[brokenjohnny]

I'm sorry to say pal, but this attitude isn't going to get you laid. Trust me. You're going to spend your life bending over backwards just to try to have sex, and end up being manipulated and used.

[Agalois]

Let me guess, you majored in "women's studies"? I suggest you look up the word "emasculation."

[jhan6120]

Mangina.

[Orville9999]

Two more things: the condom is only 90 to 95 percent effective at BEST. That means statistically speaking that after a guy and his girl have bumped uglies 20 times she's going to get knocked up. I think men deserve better than that.

Also, your "moron" comment works both ways. Frontline did a documentary about abortions decades ago and a young women who was at the clinic to get one was there because the guy she fucked lied about having a vasectomy. By your logic, she's a moron too, isn't she?

[Orville9999]

go read women "lie, cheat, and steal" in the manchester evening news:

HALF of all women would lie to their husbands or partners to keep their relationship going if they became pregnant by another man, a survey said today.

Figures showed one woman in two would not tell her man that the baby she was carrying was not his - if she wanted to stay with him.

They also said four out of ten (42%) would lie about contraception in order to get pregnant, in spite of the wishes of their partner.