@Murdoc2Dbabe Searching Internet, but it was not painted during her lifetime. It was done after a portrait that yes, was done when Catherine was alive.
I am totally confused now....I thought She married Kind Henry VIII and gave birth to Mary Tudor. But I read that she married Arthur?...sorry but I'd like to clarify this thing.
Catherine was actually one month past her 50th birthday when she died. Interestingly, Anne Boleyn was 32 when she married Henry, the same year she gave birth to Elizabeth. Jane Seymour was 27 when she married Henry, and Catherine Parr (already twice widowed) was 31, and gave birth to her only child (with Thomas Seymour) when she was 36. Evidently, noble women did wait around a bit more.
I love all of your tributes to the great Tudors! And I love love love your choice of music! It really adds to the ambience-one can almost close ones eyes and imagine oneself listening to these ancient tunes-at the Tudor Court. ;)
Why? after Howard was executed Anne of Cleves actually hoped Henry would come back to her and make her his queen again Henry and the council had to make it clear that just wasn't gonna happen
Sure she was the cleverest. She would live comfortable as Queen or as the good King's sister. What else can she ask for considering the dangerous times she lived in?
what i'm saying is that according to David Starkey she actually wanted to be married to him That fat ulcerated murderer Right after he killed poor Howard she hoped he would remarry her Henry trashed her behind her back but face to face he was ever the gentleman & she thought he really loved her She was smart for making the best out of bad situation but she wasnt the smartest
That is an interesting view point. Why do you think Jane was the best because she gave Henry a son? Do you mean from his standpoint? From my 21st Century standpoint I don't believe giving a man a son makes one 'the best' per se. She did her duty certainly-and fortunately for her-although it made no difference as she died in childbed. I did a thesis on ancient child bearing. As for Tudor times-it is so sad so many women could have been saved by the simple act of handwashing. Infection = fever.
Of course, from his standpoint, and not only his but his time. It was the only thing she had to do and Jane fullfilled it. And there is more. I think Jane was smarter than we think, she was wise enough to follow good advices. She was Catherine's lady-in-waiting, then Anne's, she knew how to stay in the winner side. Later she knew how to gain the King for herself. An interesting character.
Jane was Catherine's lady-in-waiting? I wonder how old she was? Was she any older or younger than Anne? I don't recall any birthdate (if it is known-there is some dispute as I understand it for Anne Boleyn so it would be difficult to know I suppose if Jane was older or younger).
Jane was younger than Anne. She was born circa 1509. And yes, she joined Catherine's household in the 1520's. For a while both Jane and Anne were fellow ladies-in-waiting to Catherine. In 1531 she had been transferred into Anne's household. Jane must have known both Queens quite well and this smart girl, under a meak appearance, knew how to stay always in the winner side.
Thank you for the info! I am no expert of the Tudor dynasty-but I consider myself a fan and do enjoy reading up on them very much. I just re-read "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" (it must be my 20th time since my youth lol) and I just sent away for a Mary I bio-I think the author is LInda Foster but I saw it on Amazon and it seemed interesting. All bios I have read on Anne give different birthdates or estimates. The early 1500's seems most likely (before Jane's birth).
I suppose its likely that she was born in 1509, that she probal;y became Maid in waiting at about 1521-1522.. But then again this is just a guess on my part.
nope, she was married to Arthur at the age of 16 in 1501, Arthur died in 1502. She was born in 1485, and died of old age in her late 50's I believe...
yeah, either your reading comprehension is this diplorable or you really miscontrued what I ment kid. 49 WAS of old age, it was in the norm for people to die in their 50's then, it was considered old age. My parents are 68 and 71...I concider them elderly not old. You took what i said out of context and applied it to a 21 centuries ideology...dumb.
Its a shame that Henry wasnt around to see his son die at a young age. He would have had Jane executed in a heartbeat. Anne was the best thing that happened to him, simply because she produced the BEST monarch in England's history. You can't even argue the point that Elizabeth I was a great queen.
Although I admire Anne Boleyn above all the other Queens. Katherine is a very close second. She was such an amazing woman like her mother defending her country, standing up for her own rights and those of her daughter. I mean this woman had been told from a young age she was destined to be Queen of England and then the man you've loved for almost 20 years turns round and says he wants a divorce! We should not blame the wives, The true villain is Henry
Another quick thing, I think my favourite thing that Katherine ever did has to be her speech to Henry during the Blackfriars trial. It was very moving!
K of A was very well educated and an able diplomat, a great mother,even once in her reign a nrave warrior queen: like her mother Isabella she led an army to fight James IV of Scotland, serving as regent for Henry who was off fighting the French. She was also a devoted, patient, and forbearing wife, the ideal of her time until Henry tried to cast her off. Her strength and perseverance came to the fore. Boring old cow? I think not. The damage to Mary was done by her father, that jerk Henry VIII!
All the wives are interesting in their own way, but Catherine of Aragon was by far the best wife overall, especially in terms of being prepared to be Queen, while Anne Boleyn is the most fascinating.
omdz, im athiest but thats just :O just because you have different views in terms of religion does not make that individual
Catherine was a bit quiet and submissive for my tastes as my favourite queen consort was anne boleyn but catherine was a gd kind woman who did not deserve to be treated the way she was, none of his wives were
Yes that's exactly what i've been trying to say about Aragon- a bit too quiet and submissive for my tastes. BTW, I'm Lutheran with a deep interest in other religions.
Its these movies like Anne of a thousand days & The rose and the sword that give people the idea she was meek & dull when she survived so much even before she married Henry I dismissed her just as easily until I learned more about her
Sorry to tell you but both believers in Christianity and Catholocism can enter heaven, as long as the person believes that Jesus is their savour and has died for them on the cross, in other words as long as the person believes in Jesus
yeah her actual name was catalina but you often find when princesses moved to become part of differant royal families there names got translated into the countries version of their name, which is a shame they should have just been able to keep their actual name
Names of persons DO translate. Henry would be Enrique in Spanish. Edward would be Eduardo. Elizabeth=Isabella. Mary = Maria. And Katherine I am sure considered herself the Quene of England before being a Spanish Infanta-as was her duty.
Catherine of Aragon was not only considered to be one of the best-educated Princesses in Europe, but she was also famed for her kindess, generosity, and gentleness.
She was also far prettier than Anne Boleyn. Catherine was sixteen when she first came to the English court. She had silky red-gold hair, blue eyes, a fair complexion(highly prized in those days).
Catherine had a great deal moral courage. The English peole adored her as their "Good Queen Catherine"
Many of the best things I read about Catherine were written by Martin Luther. Protestant Elector John Frederick once wrote they never accepted the King's marriage "with his former mistress whom he has now ordered to be killed".
I'm not an Edward fan either. On a lighter note, I have a book called Even More Terrible Tudors- it's for kids- and it has a drawing of Edward that says "I'm too ill to hate Catholics as much as I'd like to!"
yeah lol and when its the timeline bit and mary's putting her head on the block and saying "some help" but i think that might be the terrible tudors book not the even more terrible tudors im not sure
Well for one she died for her fait. Two she was trying to save her daughter Mary from being declared a bastered and having her title striped. Three she founded some of the first schools for girls in England. Four she gave geniously to the lower class, including sewing cloths for them. She devoted a lot of her spair time helping the Nuns at the convents. This is just to name a few.
Anne Boleyn also helped the poors, giving money and sewing clothes. Anne provided for widows and poor householders. When Anne visited a village she helped the needy families.
Anne charities were important. Once she sent money and medicine for Richard Lyst's mother. He was a lay brother in the convent of the Observant Friars at Greenwich.
She maintained scholars at the University of Cambridge.
As I understand it the Catholic Church must go through steps before declaring anyone a saint-and the process sometimes takes centuries. First the person is beatified, declared 'Blessed Name of Person' after a miracle or two I'm not sure which but to be declared a saint (I'm going from memory from reading about Mother Theresa admirers who want her to be canonized) there must be at least 3 miracles confirmed by Church experts after the person's death. Something along those lines.
She was a great woman but I wouldnt go that far She lied about not consumating her 1st marriage It was a noble lie told to save her daughters inheritance & she shouldnt have been put in the circumstances that made her tell it but the stain is there not withstanding & she died more for her pride than her faith
Catherine held her own against the tyranny Henry the 7th Won the hearts of the English people & was put through the ringer by a man she loved She was quite a woman for any time & if theyed met when she was younger she probably couldve handled Anne (would have been some fight though)
Me too. Anne was a XXI Century woman, she was not understood. Catherine was a woman of her time, she was praised by catholics and protestants during her lifetime in Europe, and Anne was hated by both sides.
The best and largest collection of Catherine images, but I know of a very good one you don't have. It is a Pre-Raphialite painting in the Manchester Art Gallery. Catherine being confronted by the Cardinals.
She had to deal with the political shifts of her father, her husband and her nephew whilst living a large amount of her life in poverty and keeping her faith in all of them and the mother church.
Sure. I think all Henry's wives were strong women except maybe Cathy Howard. My fave is Anne Boleyn. But the one fit for him was Jane Seymour. Anne of Cleves should be called Anne the Clever.
Jane Seymour never really got a chance not to be fit for Henry. she never had to go through the indignity and pain of having stillborn children & failing to produce an heir. She died as soon as she gave him a son which was a wise move as it meant that she only left good impressions
Jane Seymour is probably the only one of his wives I dislike. She had no personality, she had the intelligence of a rock, and she was supposedly made out to be a saint when she needed six murders (Anne and the other five men) to achieve her crown.
Did you forget how many heads Anne needed? No one likes Jane She had self esteem issues bullying her ladies about the number of pearls on thier dresses Even though she had a son her story is one of failure Her mission as Catholic Queen was to undo the reformation Even if she lived that just wasnt gonna happen
Number of pearls. Heh heh heh. But seriously, what do you have against Anne Boleyn? Catherine of Aragon wasn't some kind of saint either- I mean, her friend Thomas More actively persecuted Protestants, so I say he got his come uppings!
I dont have anything against Anne or Jane for that matter I think making Katherine out to be the Patron saint of long suffering is a diservice There was so much more to her than that & people dont see it Theyre like go moo somewhere else Cow Anne Boleyn's here & thats not fair
Maybe Tom had it coming but Ultimately henry is the one who signed the death warrants not Jane Its takes blood & plenty of it it seems to displace a queen Pretender to the throne or Princess of the Blood
I'm sorry, I don't see Anne as pretender. Catherine was a persector of my religion and encouraged her daughter to do the same, so I cannot like her. I think she had it coming too. She got what she deserved!
Henry was the one Burning heratics & beheading Catholics at the same time If anyone taught her hate it was her him Katherine was a foreigner in a xenophobic country it didnt benefit her to persecute her subjects After she miscarried her sons & her nephew broke the treaty she didnt have the power to persecute anyone
You keep saying youre a Protestant Well how come Henry twisting God's word cherry picking verses & ignoring others to make it say what he wanted it to doesnt bother you? thats my one of my issues with Katherines trial & the divorce
Katharine never encouraged her daugher to burn Protestants thats bullshit. Besides Anne boleyn's daughter Elizabeth burned my ancestors the Catholic people of England.
Elizabeth liked hanging people cutting them down whilst they still live & cutting out thier insides she didnt burn innocent Catholic subjects at the stake (unlike her sister who burned people simply because they were Protestant)
yeah and she killed mary queen of scots(i really dont llike her for that im scottish), mary didnt kill elizabeth when she was in the exact same position
But Mary I killed her cousin lady Jane Grey when they where in the exact some position. Both Mary I and Elizabeth I acted in the same way when they tried to defend their throne.
Martin Luther was a wise man if this is so-I had never heard that before-he was a true reformer who probably saw past Henry's b.s. about Katherine not really being his wife because she was his brother's widow, therefore that was his excuse so that he could marry Anne-Luther also saw past the Catholic Church's b.s. about buying indulgences, etc. to get to Heaven amongst other abuses (mind you both Protestant and Catholic churches over the centuries have abused their position to some extent).
Luther was a staunch supporter of Catherine of Aragon, he thought her marriage to the King was valid and never accepted Anne Boleyn. That's what Luther thought on the subject.
She should be remembered more than as a wife and mother though, that's kind of sexist. She should be remembered as a queen- which was her JOB- not just for the traditional domestic areas. This is a woman who led an army into battle while pregnant and had the guts to stand up to one of the worst tyrants of the 16th century, yet all she's remembered for is being Henry's 'true' wife. I wonder how history would have been if she'd been Queen Regnant of Spain.
Someone should write a 'what if' historical novel on that. Katharine was a lot like her mother, and that's a compliment on my part. I think unfortunately Mary got too much of her father and not enough of her mother.
Yes, if she had been with her mother more and a lot of the things tat happened in her childhood didn't happen then i think she would have been a very good ruler
Much of what you write is true-but those of us who have aspired to learn Tudor history know that Catherine was a great Queen who led an army into battle while pregnant. In fact-her mother did much the same in battles in Spain.
Yay! Someone who knows the history (no offence to some of the other people here, you may know it too... but, yes, just ignore that first sentence.) She WAS a great Queen, and in her own way one of the best of Henry's wives when it came to being a Queen and taking up all those duties.
No dear she's remembered by most as the old boring cow who should've known she was licked when the brave & illustrious Anne Boleyn burst onto the scene She's proclaimed the True Queen b/c that what she was despite what her husband needed or wanted & lengths he would go to get it
She's remembered 'by most'? I certainly do not remember her that way. But then I suppose those who consider themselves Anne Boleyn 'fans' or whatever would say that. I for one admirer ALL SIX of these women who had to deal in different way with a tyrannical, bloodthirsty sexist pig of a man.
Those who've bothered to look beyond the Kat/Henry/Anne triangle & learn about Kat her whole life usually arent disappointed She was a great lady I didnt agree with this sexist claim when Iloveyoutoo825 brought it up the
1st time Shes not remembered just b/c she was the true Queen & wife Shes remembered for what she endured even though she was the true Queen & wife
They should make a movie about Katherine From the time she married Arthur to just before Henry falls for Anne Her 1st marriage living in poverty years with no help from her family against Henry 7th the miscarriages I think theres a great movie there
never saw it, Is that the miniseries that came out in the 70's I keep looking for it at my local library but I never get around actually checking it out
im glad to see a proper video for once
MrHistoryhelp 10 months ago
where did you find the picture at 00:8?
Murdoc2Dbabe 1 year ago
@Murdoc2Dbabe Searching Internet, but it was not painted during her lifetime. It was done after a portrait that yes, was done when Catherine was alive.
YeOldeTune 1 year ago
I liked Cathrine of Aragon.
She was a true queen, and even a heroine.
genchandy 1 year ago
Preciosa reina, pena de su destino... Le salvó el amor que su pueblo le tenía.
Servilio1000 1 year ago
I am totally confused now....I thought She married Kind Henry VIII and gave birth to Mary Tudor. But I read that she married Arthur?...sorry but I'd like to clarify this thing.
danielitaiyta 1 year ago
@danielitaiyta : She first married Arthur, but after Arthur died she married Henry.
TheGiraffeShit 1 year ago
Catherine was actually one month past her 50th birthday when she died. Interestingly, Anne Boleyn was 32 when she married Henry, the same year she gave birth to Elizabeth. Jane Seymour was 27 when she married Henry, and Catherine Parr (already twice widowed) was 31, and gave birth to her only child (with Thomas Seymour) when she was 36. Evidently, noble women did wait around a bit more.
ligreekguy 1 year ago
00.15 was that potrait done during catherines time?
LadySarahMichelle 2 years ago
Yes
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
She was so very beautiful.
LadySarahMichelle 2 years ago
what's the music?
tudorfan1500 2 years ago
A XVI Century dance
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
She really was a Shakespeare described her "The Queen of earthly Queens."
katharinethequene 2 years ago
Where did you get the second picture?
katharinethequene 3 years ago
Searching Internet
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
Could you please PM me the link? xx
katharinethequene 3 years ago
I love all of your tributes to the great Tudors! And I love love love your choice of music! It really adds to the ambience-one can almost close ones eyes and imagine oneself listening to these ancient tunes-at the Tudor Court. ;)
PhillyGal4Ever 3 years ago
Thank you very much. I'm glad you like my vids.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
I love the pictures and the music, sounds very royal =)
Perfect for mighty Queen Catherine
KAJAKKtrek 3 years ago 3
A great queen and woman! LONG LIVE QUEEN KATHERINE!!!!!
lilmizzspac 3 years ago 4
Vivat Katharina Regina uxor Henry VIII!
katharinethequene 3 years ago
what does uxor mean?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
uxor means wife in latin. Remember Anne portrait "Anna Bolina uxor Henri Octa"
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
where oh whee di you get the second picture?
iamsmoochums 3 years ago 3
She was an admiring queen, so strong, and she was a fighter like her mother. I think she was the best of henry's wifes.
theirealife93 3 years ago 4
My fave wife is Anne Boleyn but the best of Henry's wives was Jane: she gave him a son. And the cleverest was Anne of Cleves.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
Why? after Howard was executed Anne of Cleves actually hoped Henry would come back to her and make her his queen again Henry and the council had to make it clear that just wasn't gonna happen
FragileThings331 3 years ago 2
Sure she was the cleverest. She would live comfortable as Queen or as the good King's sister. What else can she ask for considering the dangerous times she lived in?
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
what i'm saying is that according to David Starkey she actually wanted to be married to him That fat ulcerated murderer Right after he killed poor Howard she hoped he would remarry her Henry trashed her behind her back but face to face he was ever the gentleman & she thought he really loved her She was smart for making the best out of bad situation but she wasnt the smartest
FragileThings331 3 years ago
That is an interesting view point. Why do you think Jane was the best because she gave Henry a son? Do you mean from his standpoint? From my 21st Century standpoint I don't believe giving a man a son makes one 'the best' per se. She did her duty certainly-and fortunately for her-although it made no difference as she died in childbed. I did a thesis on ancient child bearing. As for Tudor times-it is so sad so many women could have been saved by the simple act of handwashing. Infection = fever.
jpmorrison71 2 years ago
Of course, from his standpoint, and not only his but his time. It was the only thing she had to do and Jane fullfilled it. And there is more. I think Jane was smarter than we think, she was wise enough to follow good advices. She was Catherine's lady-in-waiting, then Anne's, she knew how to stay in the winner side. Later she knew how to gain the King for herself. An interesting character.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
Jane was Catherine's lady-in-waiting? I wonder how old she was? Was she any older or younger than Anne? I don't recall any birthdate (if it is known-there is some dispute as I understand it for Anne Boleyn so it would be difficult to know I suppose if Jane was older or younger).
jpmorrison71 2 years ago
Jane was younger than Anne. She was born circa 1509. And yes, she joined Catherine's household in the 1520's. For a while both Jane and Anne were fellow ladies-in-waiting to Catherine. In 1531 she had been transferred into Anne's household. Jane must have known both Queens quite well and this smart girl, under a meak appearance, knew how to stay always in the winner side.
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
Thank you for the info! I am no expert of the Tudor dynasty-but I consider myself a fan and do enjoy reading up on them very much. I just re-read "The Six Wives of Henry VIII" (it must be my 20th time since my youth lol) and I just sent away for a Mary I bio-I think the author is LInda Foster but I saw it on Amazon and it seemed interesting. All bios I have read on Anne give different birthdates or estimates. The early 1500's seems most likely (before Jane's birth).
jpmorrison71 2 years ago
Anne was considered so insignifitgant as a female that her birthdate was not recorded.
AnaliaHyrule 2 years ago
Her birthdate is put at 1509.
LadySarahMichelle 2 years ago
I suppose its likely that she was born in 1509, that she probal;y became Maid in waiting at about 1521-1522.. But then again this is just a guess on my part.
LadySarahMichelle 2 years ago
nope, she was married to Arthur at the age of 16 in 1501, Arthur died in 1502. She was born in 1485, and died of old age in her late 50's I believe...
skymunro 2 years ago
No I meant JANE... not catherine.
LadySarahMichelle 2 years ago
oh, sorry, I missed that, yeah that makes sense...
skymunro 2 years ago
Thats okay
LadySarahMichelle 2 years ago
@skymunro She died at age 49 which I myself do not consider old even for the 1500s.
TudorRose85 2 years ago
yeah, either your reading comprehension is this diplorable or you really miscontrued what I ment kid. 49 WAS of old age, it was in the norm for people to die in their 50's then, it was considered old age. My parents are 68 and 71...I concider them elderly not old. You took what i said out of context and applied it to a 21 centuries ideology...dumb.
skymunro 2 years ago
I agree with you Skymunro. 49 ys old was an old age in the 1500era. Henry himself once made a comment about his own maturity and he was not even 45!
YeOldeTune 2 years ago
Its a shame that Henry wasnt around to see his son die at a young age. He would have had Jane executed in a heartbeat. Anne was the best thing that happened to him, simply because she produced the BEST monarch in England's history. You can't even argue the point that Elizabeth I was a great queen.
sainzja3 2 years ago
God Bless The Queen Martyr of England!
axenrot 3 years ago 4
God Bless the six wives oh Henry VIII.
Anne Boleyn and Catherine Howard must be pitied, they were beheaded. The other four died in their beds with their heads on.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
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AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
I don't think so. Why do you suspect?
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
Wonderful video
iamsmoochums 3 years ago 2
Thank you
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
Although I admire Anne Boleyn above all the other Queens. Katherine is a very close second. She was such an amazing woman like her mother defending her country, standing up for her own rights and those of her daughter. I mean this woman had been told from a young age she was destined to be Queen of England and then the man you've loved for almost 20 years turns round and says he wants a divorce! We should not blame the wives, The true villain is Henry
Biggsy1988 3 years ago 2
Another quick thing, I think my favourite thing that Katherine ever did has to be her speech to Henry during the Blackfriars trial. It was very moving!
Biggsy1988 3 years ago 3
K of A was very well educated and an able diplomat, a great mother,even once in her reign a nrave warrior queen: like her mother Isabella she led an army to fight James IV of Scotland, serving as regent for Henry who was off fighting the French. She was also a devoted, patient, and forbearing wife, the ideal of her time until Henry tried to cast her off. Her strength and perseverance came to the fore. Boring old cow? I think not. The damage to Mary was done by her father, that jerk Henry VIII!
angeloschild 3 years ago 6
At :29-that portrait looks a bit more like the young Queen Regent Victoria than Catherine of Aragon.
audie83 3 years ago
You're right. Maybe because it's a victorian portrait of her.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
This is a wonderful tribute to a great Queen-Catherine of Aragon. 5 Stars. Love the music it's perfect.
audie83 3 years ago 2
she was trained to be a queen since her birth...thats what i like about her...her wisdom compaire to the other wives.
jessy84das07 3 years ago
Thank you for all these wonderful videos.
All the wives are interesting in their own way, but Catherine of Aragon was by far the best wife overall, especially in terms of being prepared to be Queen, while Anne Boleyn is the most fascinating.
Milordvega 3 years ago 5
Why is there a monkey with her in a lot of these depictions? Was that common for royalty of that time?
Milordvega 4 years ago
Because she loved monkeys and kept some with her.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Yeah they were seen as very exotic creatures, there is a story that Elizabeth of York's monkey got into all of Henry VII's papers and ruined them all
TonksPinkHairedGirl 3 years ago 3
omdz, im athiest but thats just :O just because you have different views in terms of religion does not make that individual
Catherine was a bit quiet and submissive for my tastes as my favourite queen consort was anne boleyn but catherine was a gd kind woman who did not deserve to be treated the way she was, none of his wives were
XxCrazygal2007xX 4 years ago
I am a Catholic and totally agree with you. My fave wife is Anne Boleyn as well. She was ahead of her time like some of our Argentina women.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
yeah she was i respect her for being daring enough to stand up to henry
XxCrazygal2007xX 4 years ago
i totally agree
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
anne, catherine, or both?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
catherien not anne i really dont like anne
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago 2
Yes that's exactly what i've been trying to say about Aragon- a bit too quiet and submissive for my tastes. BTW, I'm Lutheran with a deep interest in other religions.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Quiet and subbmissive? this is the women who defended herself against her husband was brave and led an army while PREGNANT!
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
she was PREGNANT?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
when she led the army she was
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
Its these movies like Anne of a thousand days & The rose and the sword that give people the idea she was meek & dull when she survived so much even before she married Henry I dismissed her just as easily until I learned more about her
justlooking213 4 years ago
Sorry to tell you but both believers in Christianity and Catholocism can enter heaven, as long as the person believes that Jesus is their savour and has died for them on the cross, in other words as long as the person believes in Jesus
Catherine967 4 years ago 2
Catalina de Aragón.
Not Catherine of Aragon.
The name is Catalina, and the names of persons not translate.
soydeleon 4 years ago
She signed herself Katherine, "Katherine the Quene"
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
she actually signed her self "katharine the quene" so ive read anyway
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
Sure! Is it an "a" instead of an "e"?
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
yeah im pretty sure it was an "a" must have just been how they spelt it then
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
yeah her actual name was catalina but you often find when princesses moved to become part of differant royal families there names got translated into the countries version of their name, which is a shame they should have just been able to keep their actual name
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
I agree with that. A loss of your name is a loss of your identity. Unless, of course, you WANT to change it...
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
yeah i wouldnt like to change my name, and i suppose it would be quite confusing at first
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
Names of persons DO translate. Henry would be Enrique in Spanish. Edward would be Eduardo. Elizabeth=Isabella. Mary = Maria. And Katherine I am sure considered herself the Quene of England before being a Spanish Infanta-as was her duty.
audie83 3 years ago 3
Isabel is a most accurated translation instead of Isabella
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
Catherine of Aragon was not only considered to be one of the best-educated Princesses in Europe, but she was also famed for her kindess, generosity, and gentleness.
She was also far prettier than Anne Boleyn. Catherine was sixteen when she first came to the English court. She had silky red-gold hair, blue eyes, a fair complexion(highly prized in those days).
Catherine had a great deal moral courage. The English peole adored her as their "Good Queen Catherine"
Xeresa18 4 years ago 5
what is the music?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
A Susato dance
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Many of the best things I read about Catherine were written by Martin Luther. Protestant Elector John Frederick once wrote they never accepted the King's marriage "with his former mistress whom he has now ordered to be killed".
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
& Edward was a bigoted Protestant Who are we gonna blame for that?
justlooking213 4 years ago
I'm not an Edward fan either. On a lighter note, I have a book called Even More Terrible Tudors- it's for kids- and it has a drawing of Edward that says "I'm too ill to hate Catholics as much as I'd like to!"
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
yeah i have that book too!
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
My favourite part is when it calls Mary Stuart 'Mary Queen of Chops' and has the drawing of Elizabeth tearing up Mary I's will! ^_^
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
yeah lol and when its the timeline bit and mary's putting her head on the block and saying "some help" but i think that might be the terrible tudors book not the even more terrible tudors im not sure
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
Name one Royal who didnt
justlooking213 4 years ago
you have a good point there.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
The church should honor Queen Katharine and make her a saint or Maryter.
TudorRose85 4 years ago
why?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Well for one she died for her fait. Two she was trying to save her daughter Mary from being declared a bastered and having her title striped. Three she founded some of the first schools for girls in England. Four she gave geniously to the lower class, including sewing cloths for them. She devoted a lot of her spair time helping the Nuns at the convents. This is just to name a few.
TudorRose85 4 years ago
I didn't know about the schools for girls. That is awesome.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Anne Boleyn also helped the poors, giving money and sewing clothes. Anne provided for widows and poor householders. When Anne visited a village she helped the needy families.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Anne charities were important. Once she sent money and medicine for Richard Lyst's mother. He was a lay brother in the convent of the Observant Friars at Greenwich.
She maintained scholars at the University of Cambridge.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
She tried to be a good & just Queen & would have been one if she had the chance (or a son) but the people hated her til the day she died
justlooking213 4 years ago
what did Katharine of Aragon do for them?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
As I understand it the Catholic Church must go through steps before declaring anyone a saint-and the process sometimes takes centuries. First the person is beatified, declared 'Blessed Name of Person' after a miracle or two I'm not sure which but to be declared a saint (I'm going from memory from reading about Mother Theresa admirers who want her to be canonized) there must be at least 3 miracles confirmed by Church experts after the person's death. Something along those lines.
audie83 3 years ago 2
She was a great woman but I wouldnt go that far She lied about not consumating her 1st marriage It was a noble lie told to save her daughters inheritance & she shouldnt have been put in the circumstances that made her tell it but the stain is there not withstanding & she died more for her pride than her faith
justlooking213 4 years ago
I don't think Catherine lied about her first marriage.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Oh come on!
justlooking213 4 years ago
I don't think she did either.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Now I really dont see how you could support the divorce
justlooking213 4 years ago
I'm a Boleyn sympathiser, I just think Anne was a woman more of our time than hers, and Catherine was stuck a century or so before.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Catherine held her own against the tyranny Henry the 7th Won the hearts of the English people & was put through the ringer by a man she loved She was quite a woman for any time & if theyed met when she was younger she probably couldve handled Anne (would have been some fight though)
justlooking213 4 years ago
Anne was ahead of her time.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Me too. Anne was a XXI Century woman, she was not understood. Catherine was a woman of her time, she was praised by catholics and protestants during her lifetime in Europe, and Anne was hated by both sides.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
YES! That's exactly why I like Anne. I feel like I'm very far ahead of my time as well.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
The best and largest collection of Catherine images, but I know of a very good one you don't have. It is a Pre-Raphialite painting in the Manchester Art Gallery. Catherine being confronted by the Cardinals.
itchycoonz 4 years ago
Thanks for the compliments and the info.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
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Searle8 4 years ago
Thank you
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Queen Katherine of Arragon is my hero of history.
She had to deal with the political shifts of her father, her husband and her nephew whilst living a large amount of her life in poverty and keeping her faith in all of them and the mother church.
The8thDOCTOR 4 years ago
Sure. I think all Henry's wives were strong women except maybe Cathy Howard. My fave is Anne Boleyn. But the one fit for him was Jane Seymour. Anne of Cleves should be called Anne the Clever.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
agreed about Anne of Cleves!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Jane Seymour never really got a chance not to be fit for Henry. she never had to go through the indignity and pain of having stillborn children & failing to produce an heir. She died as soon as she gave him a son which was a wise move as it meant that she only left good impressions
domino23456 4 years ago
she didn't have a choice
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
true - she didn't choose to die. but it still left the most favourable impression. that's what i meant
domino23456 4 years ago
Jane Seymour is probably the only one of his wives I dislike. She had no personality, she had the intelligence of a rock, and she was supposedly made out to be a saint when she needed six murders (Anne and the other five men) to achieve her crown.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Did you forget how many heads Anne needed? No one likes Jane She had self esteem issues bullying her ladies about the number of pearls on thier dresses Even though she had a son her story is one of failure Her mission as Catholic Queen was to undo the reformation Even if she lived that just wasnt gonna happen
justlooking213 4 years ago
Number of pearls. Heh heh heh. But seriously, what do you have against Anne Boleyn? Catherine of Aragon wasn't some kind of saint either- I mean, her friend Thomas More actively persecuted Protestants, so I say he got his come uppings!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
I dont have anything against Anne or Jane for that matter I think making Katherine out to be the Patron saint of long suffering is a diservice There was so much more to her than that & people dont see it Theyre like go moo somewhere else Cow Anne Boleyn's here & thats not fair
justlooking213 4 years ago
Maybe Tom had it coming but Ultimately henry is the one who signed the death warrants not Jane Its takes blood & plenty of it it seems to displace a queen Pretender to the throne or Princess of the Blood
justlooking213 4 years ago
I'm sorry, I don't see Anne as pretender. Catherine was a persector of my religion and encouraged her daughter to do the same, so I cannot like her. I think she had it coming too. She got what she deserved!
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Henry was the one Burning heratics & beheading Catholics at the same time If anyone taught her hate it was her him Katherine was a foreigner in a xenophobic country it didnt benefit her to persecute her subjects After she miscarried her sons & her nephew broke the treaty she didnt have the power to persecute anyone
justlooking213 4 years ago
well, she encouraged it.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Like Henry needed encouragement to be cruel
justlooking213 4 years ago
You keep saying youre a Protestant Well how come Henry twisting God's word cherry picking verses & ignoring others to make it say what he wanted it to doesnt bother you? thats my one of my issues with Katherines trial & the divorce
justlooking213 4 years ago
Katharine never encouraged her daugher to burn Protestants thats bullshit. Besides Anne boleyn's daughter Elizabeth burned my ancestors the Catholic people of England.
TudorRose85 4 years ago
I stand corrected.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Elizabeth liked hanging people cutting them down whilst they still live & cutting out thier insides she didnt burn innocent Catholic subjects at the stake (unlike her sister who burned people simply because they were Protestant)
justlooking213 4 years ago
yeah and she killed mary queen of scots(i really dont llike her for that im scottish), mary didnt kill elizabeth when she was in the exact same position
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
my ex-boss doesn't like Elizabeth for that either- but I don't like my ex-boss, and I don't give a shit about him.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
lol!
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
But Mary I killed her cousin lady Jane Grey when they where in the exact some position. Both Mary I and Elizabeth I acted in the same way when they tried to defend their throne.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
actually jane was in quite a differant position
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
No. Both (Mary Stuart and Jane Grey)were cousins to Mary and Elizabeth. Both were a menace to the rightful queens Mary and Elizabeth.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
well i see where youre coming from but jane grey's potition
TonksPinkHairedGirl 4 years ago
wait- do you think Jane Grey should have been executed or should not have?
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
I don't think she should have, she didn't want the throne she forced to have it my her family
TonksPinkHairedGirl 3 years ago 2
I agree! Poor Jane! Her execution silenced one of the Reformation's greatest minds :(
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago
yea it's a great pity
TonksPinkHairedGirl 3 years ago 3
That's right
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
Again, what has Catherine of Aragon done to you?? she is innocent.
Psychoange1 4 years ago
I don't know that Catherine was a persecutor of protestant. By the way, Luther supported Catherine and encouraged all his followers to support her.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
I don't know that Catherine was a persecutor of protestants. Luther was a staunch sopporter of her and encouraged all his followers to support her.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
I didn't know that. I stand corrected. My apologies. *runs and hides under a rock*
AndromedaMariaCarmen 4 years ago
Martin Luther was a wise man if this is so-I had never heard that before-he was a true reformer who probably saw past Henry's b.s. about Katherine not really being his wife because she was his brother's widow, therefore that was his excuse so that he could marry Anne-Luther also saw past the Catholic Church's b.s. about buying indulgences, etc. to get to Heaven amongst other abuses (mind you both Protestant and Catholic churches over the centuries have abused their position to some extent).
audie83 3 years ago
Luther was a staunch supporter of Catherine of Aragon, he thought her marriage to the King was valid and never accepted Anne Boleyn. That's what Luther thought on the subject.
YeOldeTune 3 years ago
This is a woman that should be honored in every way. She was a kind, and loving queen, as she was a loving mother.
supergirl011 4 years ago 3
She should be remembered more than as a wife and mother though, that's kind of sexist. She should be remembered as a queen- which was her JOB- not just for the traditional domestic areas. This is a woman who led an army into battle while pregnant and had the guts to stand up to one of the worst tyrants of the 16th century, yet all she's remembered for is being Henry's 'true' wife. I wonder how history would have been if she'd been Queen Regnant of Spain.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago 2
Yeah she really shold ave been Queen Regant of Spain, she would have been really good at that
TonksPinkHairedGirl 3 years ago
Someone should write a 'what if' historical novel on that. Katharine was a lot like her mother, and that's a compliment on my part. I think unfortunately Mary got too much of her father and not enough of her mother.
AndromedaMariaCarmen 3 years ago 3
Yes, if she had been with her mother more and a lot of the things tat happened in her childhood didn't happen then i think she would have been a very good ruler
TonksPinkHairedGirl 3 years ago 3
She acted like her father and looked like her mother. But she did inherit her stubborness, pride and determination from her beloved mother.
supergirl011 3 years ago 4
Much of what you write is true-but those of us who have aspired to learn Tudor history know that Catherine was a great Queen who led an army into battle while pregnant. In fact-her mother did much the same in battles in Spain.
audie83 3 years ago 3
Yay! Someone who knows the history (no offence to some of the other people here, you may know it too... but, yes, just ignore that first sentence.) She WAS a great Queen, and in her own way one of the best of Henry's wives when it came to being a Queen and taking up all those duties.
toaang 3 years ago 5
No dear she's remembered by most as the old boring cow who should've known she was licked when the brave & illustrious Anne Boleyn burst onto the scene She's proclaimed the True Queen b/c that what she was despite what her husband needed or wanted & lengths he would go to get it
justlooking213 3 years ago
She's remembered 'by most'? I certainly do not remember her that way. But then I suppose those who consider themselves Anne Boleyn 'fans' or whatever would say that. I for one admirer ALL SIX of these women who had to deal in different way with a tyrannical, bloodthirsty sexist pig of a man.
audie83 3 years ago 6
Those who've bothered to look beyond the Kat/Henry/Anne triangle & learn about Kat her whole life usually arent disappointed She was a great lady I didnt agree with this sexist claim when Iloveyoutoo825 brought it up the
1st time Shes not remembered just b/c she was the true Queen & wife Shes remembered for what she endured even though she was the true Queen & wife
justlooking213 3 years ago 5
They should make a movie about Katherine From the time she married Arthur to just before Henry falls for Anne Her 1st marriage living in poverty years with no help from her family against Henry 7th the miscarriages I think theres a great movie there
justlooking213 4 years ago
Doesn't the BBC serial with Annete Crosbie deal with that part of her story?
YeOldeTune 4 years ago
never saw it, Is that the miniseries that came out in the 70's I keep looking for it at my local library but I never get around actually checking it out
justlooking213 4 years ago
You should see that serial. 6 chapters. They are quite accurate and characters are so well made that you fell they escaped from the paintings.
YeOldeTune 4 years ago