also there was a flood the sea rose and it made the red or black sea over flow and it flooded most the country where Noah live however the length and the whith of the boat is to big for one man to build so either there was a group of peaople building it or the original writers of the bible had a bit of over exaggeration
well some people dont believe that he got 2 of every animal,but they forget that back then there weren't many species discovered so it would be easy to get 2 of every KNOWN animals
I don't understand why some people are so negative when it comes to bible stories. Would it be SO horrible if it were true? More than that -- it hasn't ever been disproven, folks. After THOUSANDS of years. Doesn't that tell you something? Forget the common ideals of today's warped society and just think rationally for a moment.
@YMTA2010 there are no common ideals. people should think for themselves preferably and essentially from an informed opinion etc., we each have our own pathway to find
Actually, the thought that the father of every living human in the world would drown them all.... yeah, thats a little something to be negative about... Perhaps you should read that story a bit more closely..
@CRUSH3Rdlux Or perhaps there are parts to the story that are hard to understand if you are not seeing the whole picture. Not to say that it doesn't seem fair, but at the same time it may have prevented a great catastrophe or cataclysmatic event. In the end, I believe what I believe. Is that truly such a bad thing?
Is defending the idea of a massive human genocide in the name of a "loving" invisible creature's plan for what it wants to do with us a bad thing.... in my eyes, yes... You can word that any way you'd like, but such a slaughter is completely unecassary if you consider that this creature COULD have simply removed evil.. but the simple solutions always evade us, dont they? Well, to err is human..
He killed his own children instead of very simply made them "good" or at least "not evil." But did he? No, of course not, he drowned them. And yes, it WAS a genocide.. he wiped the species down to only 14 members. And if that proposition was accurate, we would have all perished rather quickly, considering how swiftly birth defects arise in a population funded by incest. If anything, we would literally have grown to become like the stereotypical caveman, not what we are today.
@CRUSH3Rdlux GOD cant change you from evil to good thats ur own choice he gave us the freedom to do wat we want . we get to choose wether or not we want to do wrong or if we want to do right.. we can drink,smoke, curse,be a prostitute, but that doesn't mean he likes it he hates it. doing all that makes him sad.
Well that means he is not omnipotent and thus the bible is completely contradictory on that premise too, making the entire story crumble from within.
And why would any of these things make the creator of the entire universe upset in any way? These actions might reflect desires, but they in no way reflect one's in depth character. They are frivolous and utterly finite in the scope of what a person is like.
God CAN change ur heart he's all powerful but he WANTS u 2 decide wether or not u want 2 obey him.
He brought the flood bcz not only were they doing the above, they were killing people, worshiping other gods. God allowed them 2 live on his earth and they took him for granted, spat in his face, told him they didn't need him. you think he liked killing the people he loved he didnt. he swore never to send anther world wide flood.
Well your philosophical view is flawed: if a man has children, but slaps them around occasionally and says to them "if you dont tell mommy you love her, I will beat you senseless every day for the rest of your life" ..that man would be charged with child abuse and insanity.
And yes, god enjoys it, "it shall come about that just as the lord delighted over you to prosper you and multiply you, so the lord will delight over you to make you perish and to destroy you" -Deuteronomy 23:63
How quaint, you don't know your own book. Well you are right in a sense, the translation from the text specified is "And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought."
And of course you may ask, I was christian in my youth, but a couple years before I graduated elementary school I became an atheist. :]
And that is the poorest excuse possible of an individual who not only lost a debate, but lost it demonstrably. You take no higher road by subtly hinting that "I am better than you so I pity you" to me.
Instead of cowering, why not accept the evidence presented for what it is? I was right, you were wrong... is it genuinely too hard to admit that? Wouldn't it be smarter to simply say "wow, I didn't know that" and maybe.. just maybe.. do a little more reading?
i am 14, a brand new Christian, your obviously going to stick to wat u think you know, i admire that u have what it takes to believe wat u believe. i believe wat i believe no matter wat u say or wat anybody else says i'm going to stay believing wat i believe for as long as i live. i'm sorry if i came off as " I am better than you ... " but still i'm praying for you and you can't change mind about that either. have a good sleep. good-night .
I will not stick to a belief that is wrong, that's why I denounced the faith in the first place.
And I wish you could see what you are doing. Ignoring evidence disproving a belief is NOT something you want to be proud of. If someone told you that 2 + 2 was 5, would you simply say "both his answer and mine are equally valid?" Or would you stand up and say "no, that answer is incorrect, and [here] is why?"
You can claim the answer is 5 all you'd like, it cannot make it true.
Geologists went looking for evidence of a global flood over 200 years ago. They found distinct layers of different kinds of rock with different fossil in them. Floods don't do that. They discovered it must have taken millions of years to make what we see.
@YMTA2010 Not disproven after thousands of years? What do you mean? The whole scenario was impossible at the moment the story was made. That should tell somehing! The story, when taken litteraly, couldn't have happened in the real world.
The ark was 350 feet long, 75 feet wide, built by an 600 year old desert-dweller who had never seen a boat and who used trees 20-30 feet tall. By contrast, the Wyoming, one of the largest wooden ships ever, was built by the world's best shipwrights at the height of wooden ship technology as a US warship, with iron bracing throughout and the best 150 - 200 foot spruce. She was 350 feet long and promptly unusable due to warping and leakage. Noah's ark is a MYTH, folks.
@blueaphid The Wyoming and the Ark were both wooden boats of the same size. The Wyoming was built with iron reinforcement, the Ark before iron was discovered. The Wyoming was built by the world's best shipwrights, and Ark by someone who probably never ever seen a boat before. The Wyoming was promptly unusable. What makes you think the Ark would be seaworthy?
also there was a flood the sea rose and it made the red or black sea over flow and it flooded most the country where Noah live however the length and the whith of the boat is to big for one man to build so either there was a group of peaople building it or the original writers of the bible had a bit of over exaggeration
connoroneill98 10 months ago
well some people dont believe that he got 2 of every animal,but they forget that back then there weren't many species discovered so it would be easy to get 2 of every KNOWN animals
connoroneill98 10 months ago
:)
ChristsProphet 1 year ago
@ChristsProphet
ChristsProphet 1 year ago
The random zebras. lol.
I don't understand why some people are so negative when it comes to bible stories. Would it be SO horrible if it were true? More than that -- it hasn't ever been disproven, folks. After THOUSANDS of years. Doesn't that tell you something? Forget the common ideals of today's warped society and just think rationally for a moment.
YMTA2010 1 year ago
@YMTA2010 there are no common ideals. people should think for themselves preferably and essentially from an informed opinion etc., we each have our own pathway to find
blueaphid 1 year ago
@YMTA2010
Actually, the thought that the father of every living human in the world would drown them all.... yeah, thats a little something to be negative about... Perhaps you should read that story a bit more closely..
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux Or perhaps there are parts to the story that are hard to understand if you are not seeing the whole picture. Not to say that it doesn't seem fair, but at the same time it may have prevented a great catastrophe or cataclysmatic event. In the end, I believe what I believe. Is that truly such a bad thing?
YMTA2010 1 year ago
@YMTA2010
Is defending the idea of a massive human genocide in the name of a "loving" invisible creature's plan for what it wants to do with us a bad thing.... in my eyes, yes... You can word that any way you'd like, but such a slaughter is completely unecassary if you consider that this creature COULD have simply removed evil.. but the simple solutions always evade us, dont they? Well, to err is human..
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux he did it because the people in the world were all evil except noah and his large family.
are you alive, how many people live in the world now, theres no need to worry about genocide
want2cplease 1 year ago
@want2cplease
He killed his own children instead of very simply made them "good" or at least "not evil." But did he? No, of course not, he drowned them. And yes, it WAS a genocide.. he wiped the species down to only 14 members. And if that proposition was accurate, we would have all perished rather quickly, considering how swiftly birth defects arise in a population funded by incest. If anything, we would literally have grown to become like the stereotypical caveman, not what we are today.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux GOD cant change you from evil to good thats ur own choice he gave us the freedom to do wat we want . we get to choose wether or not we want to do wrong or if we want to do right.. we can drink,smoke, curse,be a prostitute, but that doesn't mean he likes it he hates it. doing all that makes him sad.
want2cplease 1 year ago
@want2cplease
Well that means he is not omnipotent and thus the bible is completely contradictory on that premise too, making the entire story crumble from within.
And why would any of these things make the creator of the entire universe upset in any way? These actions might reflect desires, but they in no way reflect one's in depth character. They are frivolous and utterly finite in the scope of what a person is like.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
God CAN change ur heart he's all powerful but he WANTS u 2 decide wether or not u want 2 obey him.
He brought the flood bcz not only were they doing the above, they were killing people, worshiping other gods. God allowed them 2 live on his earth and they took him for granted, spat in his face, told him they didn't need him. you think he liked killing the people he loved he didnt. he swore never to send anther world wide flood.
want2cplease 1 year ago
@want2cplease
Well your philosophical view is flawed: if a man has children, but slaps them around occasionally and says to them "if you dont tell mommy you love her, I will beat you senseless every day for the rest of your life" ..that man would be charged with child abuse and insanity.
And yes, god enjoys it, "it shall come about that just as the lord delighted over you to prosper you and multiply you, so the lord will delight over you to make you perish and to destroy you" -Deuteronomy 23:63
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
where did u get that verse from? wat book r u usin' ?
watever it is its not the kings James version Bible.
may i ask wat religion r u
want2cplease 1 year ago
@want2cplease
How quaint, you don't know your own book. Well you are right in a sense, the translation from the text specified is "And it shall come to pass, that as the LORD rejoiced over you to do you good, and to multiply you; so the LORD will rejoice over you to destroy you, and to bring you to nought."
And of course you may ask, I was christian in my youth, but a couple years before I graduated elementary school I became an atheist. :]
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
i am sorry for you i'll pray for u
want2cplease 1 year ago
@want2cplease
And that is the poorest excuse possible of an individual who not only lost a debate, but lost it demonstrably. You take no higher road by subtly hinting that "I am better than you so I pity you" to me.
Instead of cowering, why not accept the evidence presented for what it is? I was right, you were wrong... is it genuinely too hard to admit that? Wouldn't it be smarter to simply say "wow, I didn't know that" and maybe.. just maybe.. do a little more reading?
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
i am 14, a brand new Christian, your obviously going to stick to wat u think you know, i admire that u have what it takes to believe wat u believe. i believe wat i believe no matter wat u say or wat anybody else says i'm going to stay believing wat i believe for as long as i live. i'm sorry if i came off as " I am better than you ... " but still i'm praying for you and you can't change mind about that either. have a good sleep. good-night .
want2cplease 1 year ago
@want2cplease
I will not stick to a belief that is wrong, that's why I denounced the faith in the first place.
And I wish you could see what you are doing. Ignoring evidence disproving a belief is NOT something you want to be proud of. If someone told you that 2 + 2 was 5, would you simply say "both his answer and mine are equally valid?" Or would you stand up and say "no, that answer is incorrect, and [here] is why?"
You can claim the answer is 5 all you'd like, it cannot make it true.
CRUSH3Rdlux 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux
ok
want2cplease 1 year ago
@YMTA2010 absolutly not im wit u all the way
want2cplease 1 year ago
@CRUSH3Rdlux he didn't drown them all if he did you wouldnt be alive
want2cplease 1 year ago
@YMTA2010 "it hasn't ever been disproven, folks. "
Nonsense.
It is disproved every day of the week.
Do you really believe
that breeding goats in front of spotted poles
will produce spotted offspring?
The Bible says it will.
If you believe that,
do not EVER have sex while watching Edward Scissorhands!
Imaginefree69 1 year ago 3
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@YMTA2010 said: "...More than that -- it hasn't ever been disproven, folks..."
Never been disproven? The story is impossible!!! Get a clue.
robertangel30 1 year ago
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@YMTA2010 it hasn't ever been disproven, folks.
YES, it has.
Geologists went looking for evidence of a global flood over 200 years ago. They found distinct layers of different kinds of rock with different fossil in them. Floods don't do that. They discovered it must have taken millions of years to make what we see.
gregrutz 1 year ago
@YMTA2010 Not disproven after thousands of years? What do you mean? The whole scenario was impossible at the moment the story was made. That should tell somehing! The story, when taken litteraly, couldn't have happened in the real world.
Popperite 1 year ago
@Popperite yeah it could have
want2cplease 1 year ago
Imaginefree69 1 year ago 8
@Imaginefree69 SO.......?
blueaphid 1 year ago
@blueaphid So...
I would not like to see any of the little tykes
getting the idea that these myths are true
and that the Bible is some sort of rational guide to life.
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@Imaginefree69 As opposed to the rational guide to life that is the media?
YMTA2010 1 year ago
@YMTA2010
I would never consider the media
to be a reliable source of information.
Why do you persist in making uninformed, erroneous assumptions?
Imaginefree69 1 year ago
@blueaphid The Wyoming and the Ark were both wooden boats of the same size. The Wyoming was built with iron reinforcement, the Ark before iron was discovered. The Wyoming was built by the world's best shipwrights, and Ark by someone who probably never ever seen a boat before. The Wyoming was promptly unusable. What makes you think the Ark would be seaworthy?
TheHeidelbergKid 4 months ago
@Imaginefree69 It's pretty ridiculous to think that some people still actually believe in fairy tales like these.
thewoodenfrog 1 year ago