The archer's paradox is not a myth!

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@Gilfalas This is neither the useless Archer's Paradox concept which relates to targetting and not even arrow spine mismatch, as Zardoz215 took the time to articulate to you. So, why does this video still have this title? This may be why it has so many dislikes.

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[PinoyPowWa]

your arrow no can handle lol

[RoosterRoox]

your arrow porbabley cant handle the pressure your bow is producing, especially wooden arrows shot with bows greater than 45lb...a whole lot of pressure, dangerous pressure. Fiberglass, and aluminum is the best way to go to avoid some serious injury, you got luck there.

[antijelly]

LOLWUT



[donepearce]

I can certainly see what happens when you drop your bow hand just before you release the arrow.

[cheeseburgerpals]

thats not the archer paradox. the archer paradox is the theory that an object can never reach from point a to point b because it would have to reach a halfway point first, but first have to hit a halfway point for that, and so on. if you want more info read the holographic universe

[MikeyAbbott]

@cheeseburgerpals ... and did the arrow go anywhere? Not everything written is meant to be taken seriously.

[planetofthescums]

@cheeseburgerpals The archer's paradox is what occurs when the bow string is released. If an arrow stays rigid it hit the bow and goes left. If an arrow flexes around the bow it will rebound causing it to shift and go right. Therefore, an arrow can never hit where you aim it.

I think this video shows it doing both?

[SpyBoy123450]

.. what just happened?

[earthlyinfodotcom]

that guy is spineless

[megacraft]

jaja the archer paradox didn't let him go further

[varsitychess]

arrow spine is way to weak

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[nomad1545]

How do we prevent this from happening?

[PrimitiveByNature]

@nomad1545 Make sure you have the proper spine when you buy or make your arrows, if you need help matching an arrow to your bow I would advise speaking to a professional at an archery store/range. The last thing you want is an arrow through your arm (or worse)

[Nani101]

But... the arrow moved... where's the paradox?

[MrKrobar98]

LEAVE BRITNEY ALONE!

[LordApocalypse7]

I really dont see what does this video prove?

[androoschlong]

@LordApocalypse7 its a philosophy joke and a waste of time

[nyk31]

how bout dont drop your arm before youve even taken the shot

[shishimore]

LMAO

[Auriam]

Interesting demonstration. But next time, please use a tripod!

[pivotman64]

at first i thought this was a screamer

[Barkspawn]

I've heard of arrows shattering and being plunged through the shooter's forearm. Check your spines, people.

[zenqimaster]

The arrow moved.

Nothing to do with the paradox.

[bassvet87]

hahaha. i bet he was thinkin "now i never saw that happen to Robin Hood"

[MrStickbow]

luckyly that didnt end up sticking out of your left forearm

[johnnywalker2222]

I didn't realize archers paradox was ever in question??? Who is it a myth to?

[gratver]

Right.

After seeing an exploded carbon arrow burried in someone's hand, i swore to never use carbon.

Doesnt make a difference apparantly if i still use cedar :/

And that's a scary place to get a wound btw.

If it would have penetrated your arm, you would have some severe bleeding going on.

[t5id72j]

Damm, thanks for showing what happens..

And I don't know why they call it a paradox... A paradox is a statement that contradicts itself. Such as saying

"I always lie'. If it is true it must be false...

I'd rather call it, the archer fucks up, example..

Bystander: "Holly crap what happened?"

Archer: "I just fucked up..."

.

[irmollaar]

@t5id72j thats what i was wondering

[t5id72j]

@irmollaar

I ended up finding out what they mean from a reply to a similar pos that I left on another vid.

The archers paradox isn't to do with the arrow snapping or shattering, in the event that the arrow survives the launch, the flexing and twisting causes the arrow to fly off on a different direction.

So the archers paradox is as follows:

If you want to hit the target, you have to aim in a different direction in anticipation of the arrow not flying true.

Hope that answers your query.

[planetdarwin]

Fun Fact: I had a dream about archery after watching this vid just before bed.

[planetdarwin]

Did he died?

[Gilfalas]

Not dead yet... just a few years older and hopefully wiser too.

[sopmodm4]

I shot a wooden arrow(port orford cedar) today that after repeated crowding on the target must have weakened along the shaft. I shot the arrow, it broke after the initial bend and both the head and the fletched stuck in the target 21cm apart! The spine(60/65) of the arrow changed when it had material gouged out of it's side by another arrow on a previous grouping. It did not get broken in half while on the string and it didn't smack the riser, it broke on the reflex 2nd bend..

[Gilfalas]

That's kind of awesome that the two halves still struck the target. It's a like a reverse Robin Hood shot :D

[planetofthescums]

@Gilfalas The square white target in front of the bushes?

[Rampantmember]

Watch what happens when an idiot tries to demonstrate the archers's paradox. No protection whatsoever. Oh wow... he hurt his arm... what a surprise! An idiot would know better, so what does that make you?

[Zardoz215]

If you look carefully you will see the arrow actually slips from it's rest position at the last moment before release and the point is stopped by the riser of the bow and naturally the sting breaks the shaft. Nothing to do with the spine of the arrow or the draw of the bow.

[Gilfalas]

You have a very keen eye, and after watching the orirginal material (higer resolution) again, I must admit that you might be right. Nice catch!

[Interitusdei]

I see no paradox here. One strong bow and a very weak arrow, possible home made? The wood might have been too soft in comparison with the bow's strength.

[Wikingersohn93]

one time i tryed to shoot my bow and the arrow made a little hole betwene my thumb an the finger but this could not be cause the arrow hit its aim. WTF?????

[teddybear1111111]

that is not the paradox , it is were the arrow gose around the longbow and wobbles in flight

[dinosaur12345678]

you have a wooden arrow of corse it will break understand this

Wind + Flying wooden Arrow = wooden Arrow Breaking :-)

[rollthetape88]

what just happened? was the arrow not strong enough and snapped? did it even hit anything or was because of the force vs air resistance. spine value?

[Darynifiction]

very lucky guy, the broken arrow coul be now as a 6th finger... always check arrow's spine before shoot it

[stevevox1]

safety glasses seem like a good idea

[uberbs]

HAHAHAHAHAHAH, the ending was the best

[nabiul2]

The dudes lucky that it didn't break on the spot and drive it self into his hand.

[bigzz1973]

safety glasses

[flintstone9812]

be forewarned all ye would be archers.

If the bow can exert more force on the arrow than the arrow can sustain it WILL break. Kind of like standing an arrow upright in a piece of wood and dropping a heavy weight on it.

Use sturdy arrows and inspect them for cracks before each use.

[Gh0str1d3r1973]

that's why they invented half inch thick arrows I guess ;o)

[fusionstar916]

no, those half inch thick arrows are for cutting the line during competition. Better chance of touching or hitting the line if you miss.

[Gh0str1d3r1973]

Hmmm... truly... if I use ANY arrow, thinner than 10 mm ( just under half an inch..) I end up with a LOT of waisted wood... :o/

Then again.. I shoot 100+ lbs ;o)

[bwoodcracker]

900 ac?? you mean ad or ce i dont believe there is such thing as ac

[Gilfalas]

You are absolutely right! Silly typo of mine.

[lonogugeadult]

ur godamn right its silly im suprised ur allowed to live.

[5tonyvvvv]

the vikings would have used wild cane arrows,found near swamps.i make primitive arrows with flint arrowheads,your arrow is just too light,its not stiff enough for the wieght of your bow.cane is very strong and flexiable,cool vid

[pietercoco]

ac means changing current

[bwoodcracker]

ummm wrong it means alternating current not changing current, thats two completely different things, and even if it did it fits nowhere within the context of the videos or description

[pietercoco]

well that's what i meanth i'm from belgum and didn't knew what it was in english now i know (i translated literly)

[barneymilk2k5]

@pietercoco tu es francais? je suis ameicain, j'habite san francsico et je suis chinois.

[pietercoco]

non je suis belge;pourquoi??

[feroast1]

Technically, its alternating current, piertercoco. Sheesh, go to school why don't you...

[airsoftassains]

Hey check out the vid respone i got shot in the eye w/ an arrow

[olrednec]

If you look really close it looks like he pulls back even further right before release and gets the field point caught behind the bow which causes the break. I might be wrong but it looks like it.

[superjezz]

might not happen if you dont drop your arm during release

[Gilfalas]

I am still pretty sure that it was a arrow spine vs. bow weight thing. But you are right. Now that I've had proper training for 2 years, I could go on for an hour about all the things I did wrong back then.

[xstreme2]

llol, that was nice, , , but it doesnt do it every time you trow an arrow. . .

[magemager0]

since when was it a myth? and that's why i dont use aluminum shafts

[loki1066]

Who said it WAS a myth?

[iksybren]

it can happen when you are with you fingers to the arrow the arrow will go he's own way then

[abdula31]

edit: the sailor for not using it correctly, like looking at the sun as the ship bounces on the water.

[abdula31]

Maybe wear a malienkorf -> armor :)

[stevevox1]

There were many a one eyed archers in England a few hundred years ago from exactly what you have just demonstrated

[abdula31]

I thought they wore an eye patch, so they didn't have to close one eye when shooting, and sailors for using a sextant and such.

[stevevox1]

maybe they did at some point in history but arrows do break and kick back even today and yesteryear when everybody used bows and arrows without the technology we have today there were many more accidents, I think you would agree with that.

[abdula31]

yes :)

[tomalophicon]

Wouldn't close one eye, it's not what they did.

[NickLikesToSweepPick]

Where'd you here that? I've been shooting a bow and arrow for 16 years and almost everyone I know is either right or left eye dominant. I do use a peep sight though, as well as most other archers I shoot with.

[BelligerentAuthority]

That's happened to me before. Only once though.

[VegetableBasket]

Quit acting like you're his dad.

[javasurvivor]

i have a $300- $600 compound bow.. its nice and thats never happened

[liamfrantic]

thats a dodgy price 300 to 600? lmfao

[sloshedragda]

thats is fucking stupid

[mandyraz]

Ouch, that looks like pain to me o.o

[Shyssirixus]

The problem is, hes using arrows that are not rated for his bow (too weak), and their bending.

[sbunnylove]

it may not be the spine at all, the arrow should bend somewhat however if there is a nick or a dent or somekind of damage on the arrow it will break alot of times on release, happened to me about 4 days ago in my stand

[mopster95]

i got that 2! xD

i almost shot my trainer

[Gilfalas]

says the guy who can't make the difference between a longbow and a recurve ;)

[archerypea]

haha....

[archerypea]

LOL.... The arrow broke because it basically bent in half before the spine was much to low... which can obviously be dangerous

[Gilfalas]

That's my take on it too. Although the video does not show the paradox itself in action, it shows the phenomena involved in it to the extreme. But that's just my interpretation and nothing more than an opinion.

[Leprechaunsquad]

thats not a paradox

[slome815]

The paradox is that a arrow, while resting on the leftside of the bow, actually ends on the right side of the target if the spine is to low.

[Leprechaunsquad]

so it just bends and flies off to the right

not a paradox

[slome815]

it is, as you would expect it would fly to the left, not the right.

[Leprechaunsquad]

the back of the arrow bends quicker than the front and it gets flicked

you can do it with paper

[slome815]

I know, i was just saying Why it is a paradox, not just a normal fact. (because you said it isn't a paradox)

[jdjgj]

what is the paradox

[angusman2006]

the paradox is the bending of an arrow in mid-flight, because of the forces put on the arrow when it is fired it will bend constantly during flight, therefore causing arrows not to flight straight, unless the spine value(hardness of the arrow material) matches the draw weight and length of the bow it is being fired from

[longbow1415]

Lucky mate that didn't go into your rist.

Nice video though and shows why people should stand behind.

[ArrowHead83]

Yeah... gee... that was JUST A BIT underspined! :D ;)

Very nice bow!

[coryrules777]

im guessing ur arrows was not the right grain

[Sh1ftyX]

A self made bow? From 900 AC? What the hell? Did you make it yourself or not, thats the question.

[Gilfalas]

Yes I made it myself, but the design is from that period. I basically copied the design of the original bow.

[jdjgj]

900ac is after christ

[cheminwey]

he just said its a REPLICA

[newport87]

nothing to do with paradox - arrow was more than likely damaged/cracked before he shot it, paradox is actually caused by the inertia of the head and shaft, the nock moves before the head causing the shaft to buckle to the right, it then flexes the other way and so on until the oscillations die out. underspined shaft will flex too much [fishtail] over spined will not flex enough and will off left from the bowhandle

[calmackie]

Your lucky it didnt snap the other way. Its unlikly it would but if it did the only thing to stop it would be your wrist. Should of worn a wristguard.

[roythearcher]

The main reason that archers paradox exists is the fact that the string, when released, does not travel in a straight line but has to travel a little sidways to clear the fingers on release imparting a bend into the arrow. Look at some slo-mo footage of a compound shot with a release aid and you'll see this does not happen with those.

[thetwiggy10]

if the arrow was underspined that much the bow would have collapsed and broken believe me i've seen it happen

[Gilfalas]

Hmmm, I think that assumption is a bit radical for my taste. Not saying that what you are saying is wrong, but I doubt it would happen every time. I've never seen it happen at our archery field even though some of our beginners sometimes do blank shots by not nocking their arrows correctly. I think it depends entirely on the draw weight of the bow, the strengtt of the nocks on the bow and the kind of string you use.

[thetwiggy10]

true i agree but if the draw weight was anymore than 40 ponds then the limbs would have at least cracked maybe not broken but cracked but u have a good point

[Tilbily]

I've never had that happen with underspined arrows. How tight was the nock? Almost like the arrow wouldn't let go of the string? My .02

[Gilfalas]

It had one of those regular traditional nocks that aren't tight at all. You know the kind that don't even click on the string.

[Tilbily]

Yep, I know whacha mean. I'm really stumped, but fascinated. Sure you weren't shooting in front of a plexiglass wall or forcefeild? :)

[Krabbe23]

What type of wood for the bow do use?

[Gilfalas]

It's hickory. I can't afford to build bows from yew yet :D

[Krabbe23]

I have been a shooting instructer at the Ribe vikingcenter in Denmark for many years. I had a yew bow once, sold it to a guy from norway.

Insted for hickory, you should use elm, ash or oak.. But yew is to prefer.

[Gilfalas]

Sure yew is to prefer but yew is very expensive. Good yew staves anyway. I do work with ash and elm though too. This one just happens to be made from hickory. I like to work with different kinds of woods.

[bdrmaccessory]

copy and paste...what a jackass

[plasticboat]

No! neither is taking a course from people who would slap your ass for being so stupid!

[mecrashboy]

Good thing the arrow dind't take his eye out.....

[stevenlap]

I think he over drew the bow and the tip of the arrow was up against the handle as he released, causing the  bow to break the arrow. used to do it as a kid all the time

[Gilfalas]

I can confirm that this was not the case. The arrow was indeed too weak and could not take the "bend" upon release.

I am not physics crack, but the way I see it, the acceleration of the string set out to make the arrow oscillate at a certain frequency and amplitude (which is defined by the draw weight of the bow and the spine of the arrow) that arrow just couldn't take.

[lozzic]

Archers paradox is the bending of the shaft around the handle of the bow. The arrow points slightly to the left or right (depending on whether you are right or left handed.) and when you loose the arrow it bends round the bow and then travels straight.

[otavio86]

People, that makes sense at all. The arrow was too weak. Then with the impact of the 'hope' its just "exploded" into three pieces. Thats also the reason that its went to the right and damaged the archer's hand. You need to imagine that the arrow receive a punch with 30-50 libras (depending the bow, even more) then its explode before be able to move forward.

[darkmagicninja17]

archer's paradox is about the spinning of the shaft when the arrow takes flight. there something wrong with the bow handler (pretty obvious)

watch it again and post what's wrong but i'm not gonna tell whats wrong

[Gilfalas]

IMHO the archer's paradox is all about spine.

The paradox itself, is defined by the fact that an arrow that points away from the target while braced, will still fly straight at the target upon release. I agree 100%. But the reason why the paradox even exists is the oscillation frequency of the arrow which is defined by its spine. One might argue about the fact that the title was chosen poorly but the spine is definitely a central part of the paradox.

[pbgd3]

Archers paradox isn't about spine, this videos isn't talking about paradox at all!

Archer paradox is simply that an arrow when nocked on a self bow (like that) points left at brace, but flies straight towards the target when shot. Instead of flying left.

This is more a lesson in impropper bow etiquate/form/equipement.

[angusman2006]

exactly. FINALLY SOMEONE WHO KNOWS WHAT THEIR TALKING ABOUT... what draw weight do you use...

[Gilfalas]

This bow has about 45lbs.

[AWeimar444]

That does not make sense

[networmyt]

Uhm... non ci ho capito una mazza :P

[mahaifucku]

Nah...maybe you just didnt notice the arrow's spine was cracked or something...

[liquidmeat]

wtf is happeneing. The arow is sticking through the floor. Then it has a pictuer of his hand with bandaid. And the arrow went sideways? wth..

[Wooboo]

The arrow split in half.

[gorsvetpushka]

bet that hurt!

[iamhewolf]

Ouch