Herman Cain Hates the Poor, Unemployed, and OWS Movement

[Supertrekkie4]

You know what? When the parasprites invaded Ponyville, Twilight Sparkle learned a valuable lesson that applies to our situation; she learned that sometimes "the best solutions can come from the most unlikely of sources", so don't hate on Pinki...err, Herman Cain and his ideas. He could be the one to save us all from this bad economy that Obama has been making worse, like the troll he is.

[DixonRants]

@Supertrekkie4 There is no evidence to show that Herman Cain's economic proposals would help the economy. In fact, economic precedence shows us that his plans would fail miserably (at least for the populous.) I explained this all in my video.

Awesome MLP analogy though. lolz

[DalonCole]

You do know that EVERYTIME taxes have been raised revenues go down?

Everytime that taxes are lowered reveneues go up?

Everytime taxes are raised on the rich, the poor wind up paying for them?

What the heck I only have reality, history, and the facts on my side

[nattynorth]

quick question, would you ever run for president?

[DixonRants]

@nattynorth I don't believe that anybody truly plans on running for president, but either take or leave the opportunity when it is presented. For me, I would cease the opportunity if it was presented. :D

[DalonCole]

@DixonRants Iove how you talk so matter of factly about "what is" when it comes to conservatives when in reality you have absolutely NO clue about what conservatives REALLY think or believe.

You blather on about Conservatives as if you were the President reading off a teleprompter the daily DNC's talking points. Talking as if what you are saying were fact rather than the lazy opinions of someone who has absolutely no knowledge of what they are talking about.

A future College Professor?

[MisterKeitel]

But we do have computers now. 300 million votes over cellphones on the internet could be counted up in the blink of an eye. And, yes, maybe many Americans are uneducated, but are elected reps any better. From what I hear Congress men let their corporate lobbyists write their legislation for them. I want to break the stranglehold that corporate money has over our government. Straight voting and the old two party system do not offer a way out of that.

[DixonRants]

@MisterKeitel PART 1: In order for a popular vote on every piece of legislation to work, every voter must be very educated on all of the issues. They all must also have a lot of free time to vote for every single piece of legislation. Considering the fact that each Congressman has a full-time, busy job, we can conclude that it would be unfeasible for the populous to cast these popular votes. Even if they had the time to do so, though, let us remember that they are pretty ignorant

[DixonRants]

@MisterKeitel PART 2: At least with elected politicians, they are, for the most part, at least semi-educated, with many having actual knowledge of the issues. That far outweighs the ratio of uneducated and educated people that make up the populous.

[MisterKeitel]

Well, since representative democracy has been "purchased" by big lobbying money and no longer represents the will of the people, I'd suggested what the OWS people are doing, which is, I guess best called, collaborative democracy where we all vote on everything. We could do with with our handheld devices. I kow that must sound strange, but consider who republic must have sounded to King John, or secular government sounds to the Tea Party crowd.

[DixonRants]

@MisterKeitel Considering the fact that we have 300 million people living in this country, that would end up being inefficient. That worked before with smaller villages and tribes, but not for a country that has millions upon millions of residents. Plus, we cannot rely upon these people, regular Americans, to vote on issues that they are ignorant on.

[MisterKeitel]

Dix- I have come to think that we've reached the end where old-time reprensentative democracy can be counted on to serve the needs of society. It's been corrupted by corporate cash. It's no longer good enough to hitch our star to a big political party and cross our fingers hoping they will take us somewhere we might want to go. That time is over. Now is the time to slay that dragon, stake its heart with a lance and kill it. No more big parties. Take them down, split up the power.

[DixonRants]

@MisterKeitel That sounds very idealistic. What system would you propose after eliminating this one?

[MisterKeitel]

@dixion Ah! But that's the logic that the Democratic Party always trucks out every four years (that is after 4 years of selling us short). I no longer buy it. Both parties are the paid employees of Big Business. It's the 1% that they are both loyal to, not the 99% who really vote for them. I don't even think of them as two different parties, just two arms of the BB Party. It's just that the D wing knows how to sweet talk us, while the R wing sweet talks the right. I say, vote 3rd party.

[DixonRants]

@MisterKeitel I understand that both parties are bought, however, we realistically cannot vote-in a third party.

[abrakadabrafox]

Republicans think the 'business man' doesn't need to pay his fair share and Democrats complain that they can't get anything done because of them. I hate both parties because they're not in touch with everyday people and they're in bed with corporations. The system is rigged and we need a violent overthrow imho.

[MrDoubleONegative]

@abrakadabrafox I hate the fact that people are allowed to leech off of taxpayers. This OWS movement is good, but the majority of the people involved are idiotic. There are people who want that taxes are ended but more welfare, free health care and better schooling. With what money? Get rid of this system of hand outs. Yes, the taxes on rich people should, in fact, be higher. But you can not stop taxing everyone, sorry. Maybe reduce welfare to only 18 months unemployed then you need a job.

[MisterKeitel]

Dixon- One last thing. For decades now Democrates have come to voters like me every four years and they say: "Look, we understand that we lie to you and break promises to you and treat you terrible, but, if you don't vote for us, then the Republicans will win and that will be even worse." And, to tell you the truth, I'm pretty sick of that line from the Dems. I think I could actually do better. After O acting like W2, I'll vote for third party canidates and see what happens.

[DixonRants]

@MisterKeitel Thanks for the comments! We should support the OWS definitely, and we should continue to vote for Democratic candidates. Why? Despite the fact that they tend to mislead us sometimes, and then benefit us when it is politically smart for them to do so, would you rather have a Democrat like that or a Republican? Voting for a third party will only split the liberal vote. Take the Bull Moose Party and the 2000 elections, for example.

[MisterKeitel]

Dixon- Long time no see. Good to have you back. Missed you. I see you've been following 80's hair bands. But, what should we support? I'm all for the OWS protests, but I don't know where it wants to go. Of course, I thought candidate Obama was pretty cool, but once elected he morphed into President Obama and turned out not to be a good as I would have liked.

[fredincallingoutclos]

Also, one last thing haha. It's good to see people involved in the political process such as yourself, no matter what your stance is. Hopefully I have shown you the light a little bit. However, either way, have a great evening :)

[fredincallingoutclos]

And just one more point about the wall street protests: When you have a group of musicians at the protests singing "f*** the USA," that doesn't sound like they're trying to make the country better. It sounds like they should move somewhere else.

[fredincallingoutclos]

So, with less taxes for everyone, how then is this revenue neutral? It's revenue neutral because the 48% of Americans that currently don't pay income taxes will have to start paying something, and illegals, tourists, and those working under the table will have to pay something as well. So, anyone who is paying taxes sees their taxes go down. Anyone who is not paying anything will have to pay a little something. To me, that seems perfectly fair.

[fredincallingoutclos]

As far as the 9-9-9 plan goes, I'm in the "poor" class, and I've done the calculations, and I would be paying less in taxes. 9% income tax is not much at all. 9% sales tax is to make up for all of the embedded taxes taken out. Also, businesses can only write off purchases of products made in the USA under his plan. Also, inner cities would be in empowerment zones, and so the 9-9-9 might be 3-3-3 in those zones, creating a much needed boost for cities like Detroit.

[fredincallingoutclos]

You see, when you look at wall street, wall street includes more than Bank of America. It includes the company that made your computer and your camera, which you used for this video, as well as your phone, your food, your bed, your home, your desk, your posters, etc etc. Get the picture? If you want to blame a bank, switch banks. If you don't like a company, buy from another one. That's the point Cain and us conservatives are trying to make.

[fredincallingoutclos]

Dixon, you need to get out of your room and look at the facts. The top 50% in terms of wealth currently pay 97% of the taxes in this country. 48% pay zero income taxes. You are just regurgitating liberal talking points with that tax stuff. The facts speak for themselves. Secondly, Herman Cain isn't bashing the Occupy Wall Street movement. He's just confused (as am I) at why the protesters are mad at wall street, when it was the government who bailed out those companies like Bank of America

[fredincallingoutclos]

Why aren't they blaming the white house and congress? Wall street is simply where stocks are traded. I bet you also didn't know that more campaign money from wall street executives was given to democrats than to republicans. So, no, cain isn't blaming the poor for having lost their jobs. He's blaming them for blaming the wrong people. What do they want? For CEOs to come down on the streets and write them checks? If they want to protest a certain company, boycott it.