@mrozzy1231 What does your age have anything to do with your question? Its like your putting out there that your only 15 and thats the reason why you dont have a clue whats going on.
The "C" you mentioned is not a C at all, but a partial circle. In Medieval times writers wrote time as a full circle, which stands for three parts of God, or the three beats per measure, or as a partial circle (which looks like a C) which is man's number, one less than god. This partial circle meant two beats per bar. We have changed it to 4/4 instead of 2/4 as "Common Time" but what appears to be a C does not stand for common, but for two. That is a very common misconception among musicians.
i think the how the west was won version was the best with him adding in the mini-roll on the snare; im not a big fan of drummers who do it by reading the music but well done man!
I don't play drums. Im a guitar player, but I was thinking if i use tablature or if you drummers use these numbers and everything i think it takes away from the experience. Instead of having fun playing a beat or a riff that you like. You just turn everything into a big math class.
Just scroll down to the end, but while you do, think of a wish. Make your wish when you have completed scrolling. Whatever age you are, is the number of minutes it will take for your wish to come true. ex. you are 25 years old, it will take 25 minutes for your wish to come true). However, if you don't send this to 5 people in 5 minutes, you will have bad luck for years!!
I appreciate what this guy is trying to do for beginners, but I truly believe that most kids will just listen to the album and feel it instead of listening to someone explain the mathematics of it.
@bhagan92 im sorry man but there ain't no ghost note in the begining of the ocean
i have the orignal greatest hit of zepplin notes for drums he only did ghost note for that song live watch his live version then the orginal you'll see what i mean ...and yes bonzo was crazy with his ghosts.. so crazy you can't even hear when he plays a ghost note unless u listin closly
I think everyone was confused with what I was trying to say, I was trying to say that Bonham knew how to groove naturally and there wasn't studying it. I believe, in my opinion this is all just my opinion BTW, that the best way to play is by ear or naturally rather than read sheet music ect thats all I was trying to say.
Gotta disagree. The best way to play is to play well and go for it, whether you are reading sheet music or playing plastic buckets on a street corner. Bonham didn't groove naturally--I'm sure he played every second he could from the day he started drumming.
yea, I disagree with that Bonham did play naturally even his son does, John Bonham even said on an interview his son Jason Bonham played naturally ever since he was a young lad. So thats kinda proof in my opinion, that some people have natural groove ability.
@DRUM well i can hear in bonham's playin that he just jammed and grooved and wasn't exactly super technical, you can hear alotta feel in his playin where he may have known some basics but he wasn't sittin there thinkin the whole time, he was just playin, its real easy to mess up when you think too much, all the best drummers just play, weather they know alot or not cause some don't read music what so ever and may have learned later but became professional still prior, its all about feel'n timing
@DRUM most of the best that hold gigs with bands, or made a huge impact in music do not think anywhere near what this guy does, cause when i hear his "the ocean" beat, it don't sound anywhere near as natural at bonhams, this guy sounds like a machine, i don't hear much feal and groove, just alotta countin and #'s way tooooo mechanical
@Drummer122 who ever this guy is!!!!???? he is a dumb ass...do you actually think jon put this much thought into this ..your forgetting where your heart is...what your playing there doesn't even go with the song..you remind me of some kid that thinks he knows every thing...i bet you dont have very many musician freinds
@Paigery13 you probably don't even have your own style or creativity ohh yea, Look at your name it figures. All I said in my previous posts was that Bonham was a natural drummer, Look at his son . you stupid piece of shit
@Drummer122 Maybe what you're really trying to say is that the feel he had can't be learned. I'm sure the guy played all the time. But that swagger he had that he played with is Bonham and only Bonham, and no one can be TAUGHT that.
@Drummer122 why waste time trying to work something out when you can read it? Everyone knows how the ocean is played... but when you're a professional, time is money, if you've got no time at all to learn something, reading is essential. Learning by ear is just as essential, but untill you can do it, without even practicing, and playing it first time on your instrument, don't even start with this pointless instrument. Learning to read/transcribe, does NOT make you a mechanical musician.
hey bud sounds correct ok here is my problem about 2 mins into the song where jimmy doing a slide type sound on guitar.....what is Bonham doing? sounds like something little extra on hi hat like 4 hits and a bbd b= bass d= snare pls help thanks ted
Re-read the sheet music, you are missing bass notes in the general beat. They are writen as flams but with Bonham were clear hits. If I have time I'll post a video response next week to explain it.
dude, all you have to do is listen to the song and get the feel for it. when i first "tried" to play this song, i thought it was weird as fuck. but then i kept listening to it and i figured it out. it's really not that hard to do it. you don't need to know the time signature and stuff, just play it naturally. as a matter of fact i think i might post it on youtube.
Go back and listen to 3:15-3:48. This section really explains the contrast between the 4/4 and the 7/8. I agree, that the 7/4 vs 7/8 would be similar to your explanation of it (one faster than the other), but when you contrast a 4/4 beat with the 7/8 as in this song, the #'s that you use to count the 7/8 section are done on the 1/4 notes from the 4/4 section. I think he really did a good job contrasting those two time signatures here.
You can count 7/8 just like 4/4 just leave out the last 8th note. For example, 4/4 is counted 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +. If you want to count 7/8 in a very easy way just count 1+ 2 + 3 + 4 after the fourth note don't say AND because that is now 1. I'm sure a lot of more experienced cats know this but if your new to odd times this might help you out. Same thing with 5/8 it's just like 3/4 your just leaving out an 8th note but you can count it pretty much the same way.
well, i mean do you wanna play the song. or play the song well. knowing the time signatures and counts will keep you from posting a fucked up version of a cover on here. and getting less than good replys back.
no its right i think, it sounds different because A)hes not John Bonham B)his drum kit is miced differently, John had a much different bass drum sound
Very good. If i went by math with Zep, It wouldn't groove. There are some extra grace notes during the "7/8" time. Great job of teaching the math of it for all the "Peart fans" lol.
lot of lip smacking going on with drum lesson guys, or ANY lesson guys in videos for some reason.. why is that? as if giving lessons via video makes your mouth dry.... *ssshmekk*
A calculator isn't needed. if you can get the feel for the song, everything comes naturally. Use a freakin calculator on Meshuggah or Dillinger Escape Plan.
GREAT PLAYING!!!!
ClubPenguin8241 3 months ago
Why are there so many people against reading sheet music? That's how most
professional musicians communicate.Jeez!
CarlosMacMartin 5 months ago
ok i am only 15 but right after the fill of the 2 snare hits there are more beats between the pause you do
mrozzy1231 9 months ago
@mrozzy1231 What does your age have anything to do with your question? Its like your putting out there that your only 15 and thats the reason why you dont have a clue whats going on.
fordsucks27 1 week ago
The wrong bass drum notes...
Theedwarfdrummer 1 year ago
Nice. I just did a cover & tutorial of this song recently.
rhythmantic 1 year ago
I would say Bonham had a natural groove unrivaled by most men
GrantDallas1992 1 year ago
The "C" you mentioned is not a C at all, but a partial circle. In Medieval times writers wrote time as a full circle, which stands for three parts of God, or the three beats per measure, or as a partial circle (which looks like a C) which is man's number, one less than god. This partial circle meant two beats per bar. We have changed it to 4/4 instead of 2/4 as "Common Time" but what appears to be a C does not stand for common, but for two. That is a very common misconception among musicians.
catscratchful 1 year ago
this song is easy to play on drums.
MrKodyska 1 year ago
i think the how the west was won version was the best with him adding in the mini-roll on the snare; im not a big fan of drummers who do it by reading the music but well done man!
DanUpdike37 1 year ago
I don't play drums. Im a guitar player, but I was thinking if i use tablature or if you drummers use these numbers and everything i think it takes away from the experience. Instead of having fun playing a beat or a riff that you like. You just turn everything into a big math class.
almostskater987 1 year ago
haha they put what u say down cause they are ignorant to drum in sheet form.
adultswim54321 1 year ago
why is this guy eating lunch?
briandrumlessons 1 year ago
God you just don't get it either dude.
Imsorry110 1 year ago
where's the triplets?
barnacleboymtk 1 year ago
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LTinvasion 1 year ago
I appreciate what this guy is trying to do for beginners, but I truly believe that most kids will just listen to the album and feel it instead of listening to someone explain the mathematics of it.
troubleontheline66 1 year ago 4
I agree, I'm already picking up John Bonham's Solo on "Moby Dick" and the White Stripes' "Seven Nation Army"
WolfClan14 1 year ago
indeed...
drums are not like a guitar where you have a tab with numbers.
you must feel the drums!
Darkdead95 1 year ago
Needs the ghost notes man, that's what made Bonham so great
bhagan92 2 years ago 3
@bhagan92 im sorry man but there ain't no ghost note in the begining of the ocean
i have the orignal greatest hit of zepplin notes for drums he only did ghost note for that song live watch his live version then the orginal you'll see what i mean ...and yes bonzo was crazy with his ghosts.. so crazy you can't even hear when he plays a ghost note unless u listin closly
YardxBonzoxBird 2 years ago
Wrong bass line all together; John played with soul & feeling not a pencil & sheet music... It was called Rock - N - Roll!!
Theedwarfdrummer 2 years ago 13
@Theedwarfdrummer
You're right. The notation is just a tool, but a useful one. The feeling comes from listening and playing.
DRUM 2 years ago 6
@Theedwarfdrummer ture but he learned it all buddy befor he made the music
YardxBonzoxBird 2 years ago
@Theedwarfdrummer What's the best way to confuse a drummer? Put sheet music in front of him.
nojam4u 1 year ago
@nojam4u Are you sure you don't mean a bass player?? LOL!!! Just a joke!!! LOL!!!
Theedwarfdrummer 1 year ago
@Theedwarfdrummer Wrong bass line?
xdoseonex 1 year ago
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Theedwarfdrummer 1 year ago
@Theedwarfdrummer
too many word-wrong playing
tomaskejr 10 months ago
@tomaskejr i agree
mrozzy1231 9 months ago
I think everyone was confused with what I was trying to say, I was trying to say that Bonham knew how to groove naturally and there wasn't studying it. I believe, in my opinion this is all just my opinion BTW, that the best way to play is by ear or naturally rather than read sheet music ect thats all I was trying to say.
Drummer122 2 years ago 3
@Drummer122
Gotta disagree. The best way to play is to play well and go for it, whether you are reading sheet music or playing plastic buckets on a street corner. Bonham didn't groove naturally--I'm sure he played every second he could from the day he started drumming.
DRUM 2 years ago
yea, I disagree with that Bonham did play naturally even his son does, John Bonham even said on an interview his son Jason Bonham played naturally ever since he was a young lad. So thats kinda proof in my opinion, that some people have natural groove ability.
Drummer122 2 years ago
@DRUM well i can hear in bonham's playin that he just jammed and grooved and wasn't exactly super technical, you can hear alotta feel in his playin where he may have known some basics but he wasn't sittin there thinkin the whole time, he was just playin, its real easy to mess up when you think too much, all the best drummers just play, weather they know alot or not cause some don't read music what so ever and may have learned later but became professional still prior, its all about feel'n timing
guitaristbiker 1 year ago
@DRUM most of the best that hold gigs with bands, or made a huge impact in music do not think anywhere near what this guy does, cause when i hear his "the ocean" beat, it don't sound anywhere near as natural at bonhams, this guy sounds like a machine, i don't hear much feal and groove, just alotta countin and #'s way tooooo mechanical
guitaristbiker 1 year ago
@Drummer122 who ever this guy is!!!!???? he is a dumb ass...do you actually think jon put this much thought into this ..your forgetting where your heart is...what your playing there doesn't even go with the song..you remind me of some kid that thinks he knows every thing...i bet you dont have very many musician freinds
Paigery13 1 year ago
@Paigery13 you probably don't even have your own style or creativity ohh yea, Look at your name it figures. All I said in my previous posts was that Bonham was a natural drummer, Look at his son . you stupid piece of shit
Drummer122 1 year ago
@Drummer122 Maybe what you're really trying to say is that the feel he had can't be learned. I'm sure the guy played all the time. But that swagger he had that he played with is Bonham and only Bonham, and no one can be TAUGHT that.
avedisdrummer989 1 year ago
@Drummer122 why waste time trying to work something out when you can read it? Everyone knows how the ocean is played... but when you're a professional, time is money, if you've got no time at all to learn something, reading is essential. Learning by ear is just as essential, but untill you can do it, without even practicing, and playing it first time on your instrument, don't even start with this pointless instrument. Learning to read/transcribe, does NOT make you a mechanical musician.
louisalive 1 year ago
hey bud sounds correct ok here is my problem about 2 mins into the song where jimmy doing a slide type sound on guitar.....what is Bonham doing? sounds like something little extra on hi hat like 4 hits and a bbd b= bass d= snare pls help thanks ted
Mightyhumungus 2 years ago
you're right. double bass, snare. one of the most fun parts to play.
ELan8891 2 years ago
thats hilarious dude Bonham did paradiddles time signatures haha...Dude I dont know WTF your talking about but It deff doesn't sound like Bonham.
Drummer122 2 years ago
Bonham did know what a paradiddle was...drummers dont have to be refined to know proper drum terms.
ELan8891 2 years ago
wow that was baddddd
antonioaquila 2 years ago 2
dude not at all, go watch the live versioan and bonham isnt playin that.
IAMCAMUKNOWIT 2 years ago
Lol
Don't You Even Listen?
He says this is the method used in the Studio Album.
Bonham was a great improviser, and often switched up his style in live play.
Acension101 2 years ago
Re-read the sheet music, you are missing bass notes in the general beat. They are writen as flams but with Bonham were clear hits. If I have time I'll post a video response next week to explain it.
jbgood314 2 years ago
dude, all you have to do is listen to the song and get the feel for it. when i first "tried" to play this song, i thought it was weird as fuck. but then i kept listening to it and i figured it out. it's really not that hard to do it. you don't need to know the time signature and stuff, just play it naturally. as a matter of fact i think i might post it on youtube.
Drummerkid2495 2 years ago 3
can you show how to play "kashmir"
jkdmen 2 years ago
7/8, or 7/4 is my question. what's the difference? I always thought 8 was for faster songs, or something...
Jalkotsu 2 years ago
Go back and listen to 3:15-3:48. This section really explains the contrast between the 4/4 and the 7/8. I agree, that the 7/4 vs 7/8 would be similar to your explanation of it (one faster than the other), but when you contrast a 4/4 beat with the 7/8 as in this song, the #'s that you use to count the 7/8 section are done on the 1/4 notes from the 4/4 section. I think he really did a good job contrasting those two time signatures here.
abnme 2 years ago
You can count 7/8 just like 4/4 just leave out the last 8th note. For example, 4/4 is counted 1 + 2 + 3 + 4 +. If you want to count 7/8 in a very easy way just count 1+ 2 + 3 + 4 after the fourth note don't say AND because that is now 1. I'm sure a lot of more experienced cats know this but if your new to odd times this might help you out. Same thing with 5/8 it's just like 3/4 your just leaving out an 8th note but you can count it pretty much the same way.
Journey432 2 years ago 4
Dude! i love you!
Cheers for that...i've been trying to crack this song for a while now..
I read your comment and after my first listen to it, i cracked it...
Nice one man!!
fionnessy 2 years ago
I used to call this 15/8. My bassist found it hard to undrestand when you call the first measure 4/4, and second 7/8.
aiyic 2 years ago
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This was so friggin' boring that I wanted to slit my wrists rather than watch this whole thing. BOOOR-RING!!!
EzrinJem2 2 years ago
well, i mean do you wanna play the song. or play the song well. knowing the time signatures and counts will keep you from posting a fucked up version of a cover on here. and getting less than good replys back.
Paintz921 2 years ago
Very important one drumer giving lessons.I play guitar and I know the rithym section is all about.Thank you.
narancor 2 years ago
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are you serious?? you know DRUM you are playing this beat wrong!
PAULOcbi 2 years ago
no its right i think, it sounds different because A)hes not John Bonham B)his drum kit is miced differently, John had a much different bass drum sound
Nofuture91 2 years ago
Very good. If i went by math with Zep, It wouldn't groove. There are some extra grace notes during the "7/8" time. Great job of teaching the math of it for all the "Peart fans" lol.
urajokeMC 2 years ago
Nice comment at the end lol I agree
ShamusGarfunkle3 2 years ago
peart rules
cashmerestaten 2 years ago
kid are you hight this is right on
skatemafia17 2 years ago 2
If you don't have enough time to listen to "The Ocean" to get it in your soul, you better not have enough time to watch this over thought video!
jopo125 2 years ago
dudes
Listen see and play it..
OldSteamer 2 years ago 5
is was taught 7/8 to be 1&& 2& 3&
great vid!
transcription waould be great to - maybe a link in the discription?
jodgey4 3 years ago
that doesnt always work so great. it depends where the accents fall.
thejohnofsteel 3 years ago
ahhh bonzo's a backbeat drmmer and u are playin like an upbeat drummer
yoyoyoimBC 3 years ago
agreed, this guys a dick
naed5692 2 years ago
wut do you mean by a backbeat drummer?
jamieakabear2316 2 years ago
john bonham is a classic example and he is far from it
yoyoyoimBC 2 years ago
John Bonham, One of the greatest drummers ever, well was, but still is remembered one of the greatest!
LinkBulletBill 3 years ago 18
@LinkBulletBill Not one of the greatest, The Greatest haha
mrozzy1231 9 months ago
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lot of lip smacking going on with drum lesson guys, or ANY lesson guys in videos for some reason.. why is that? as if giving lessons via video makes your mouth dry.... *ssshmekk*
cahnahdah 3 years ago
A calculator isn't needed. if you can get the feel for the song, everything comes naturally. Use a freakin calculator on Meshuggah or Dillinger Escape Plan.
beau96080 2 years ago
Thanks for this great lesson. Please Watch my video about The Ocean and tell me what you think about my way to play this song.
bonzojp 3 years ago
i got it!!!!!!! thanx man!!
sparkydog677 3 years ago
Hey is there any way you could get me the transcription for this song. I would really like to have it. maybe email it. get back to me. thanks
STARsix2six 3 years ago 2
I thought it was 15/8.Technically that is.I count it like that way.Good lesson.
Themdm29 3 years ago
nice video! I dont play drums but it looks good. 1st comment!
tilocote 3 years ago