I explained pretty clearly why I deleted your comments, and you know for a fact it has nothing to do with getting my point across. You came to me, not the other way around. And you know what? This is my channel, and I am well within my rights to remove and keep whatever I want around here, and whomever I want as well. Deal with it.
Okay, so the reason I deleted your comments is first because if you post several comments at once, it clutters the page and prevents people from hearing any voice other than yours. Also, you clearly did not watch the video or read any of the quotes that I post. The answer to the question, "Was Hitler an Atheist," is of course, NO. I put a great deal of time into communicating that, and you clearly did not watch it. No, Hitler was NOT an atheist. I am. But you don't know that.
No part of my video is addressing the current state of either atheism or white supremacy, but the specific beliefs and words of one man. Where is a single quote from you regarding this man? If you're not responding to the discussion, then go away.
Saddam Hussein, THEIST, Osama bin Laden, THEIST, Salem Witch Judges, ALL THEISTS, Inquisitioners, ALL THEISTS, popes that led the Crusades, ALL THEISTS, priest pedophiles, ALL THEISTS, popes that hid them, ALL THEISTS, Genghis Khan, THEIST. You really wanna play this game? The point of this video is that it doesn't matter what religion he was.
However, if you want to keep count, theists have killed more people in history than anyone else, usually in the name of their god.
@kippmcleodtheheretic atheist were never in power thats why so many people there are theist. Once atheist came in power look what they caused starting from french revolution to communism ,isnt funny how all those people that you mentioned they are over 400 years old hahah while atheist leaders killed and slaughtered people in the modern age where people were suppose to be smart and more open minded .and they did that just in 70 years isnt that amazing. ps athiest killed more look it up
So the first two on my list, Hussein and bin Laden, were 400 years ago?
Also, aren't most world leaders today theists? Aren't there STILL wars going on?
Also, the few countries that are primarily atheist/secular, like France, Finland, Japan, Norway, Denmark and Sweden, have less crime, murder and, yeah DEATH, than countries that are primarily religious like Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malawi, Niger, Bangladesh, and of course the USA.
@kippmcleodtheheretic " Also, aren't most world leaders today theists? Aren't there STILL wars going on?" commie countries had dicators it was up to them to kill people mercilessly go read about stalin atrocities, second today government are democratic so it not up to the leader of the country to start war so that point is invalid , you think you dont have atheist in politics who start wars.DO you in your right mind believe that the reason why those countries have have low crime is b cause
@kippmcleodtheheretic they are secular hahahahah , so being atheist makes somebody better , do you think people in usa rob banks they do it in the name of jesus lol. first of those countries were always peaceful even when christians were majority , so another fail . also they have strict gun laws. those countries you mentioned are 3rd WORLD COUNTRIES , thats why you have so much crime .why dont you compare countries like austria,portugal , spain, poland who are catholic with those you mentioned
Democracies have leaders who can't start wars by themselves. Okay, so are we still saying that atheism is bad, or is it dictatorships? By this logic, wasn't the fact that Stalin was a dictator have more to do with his actions than being an atheist?
Also, there's a causation issue. The fact that these places 3rd world countries is the cause of their crime rates, but WHY are they third world countries to begin with. Maybe because of primitive thinking and beliefs (e.g. religion)
And finally we have your infantile remark about crimes not being committed because of someone's religion. You ask this while at the same time suggesting that atheists commit crimes because of their atheism. It's insane, and, like most theist arguments, it's circular. When Christians kill, it must be for a good reason, when they start wars, they must be right, when they were in charge everything was great, but when atheists do bad things, it's always because they're atheists.
@kippmcleodtheheretic "atheism is an integral part of communism"- lenin is not only stalin who killed people , communism killed people especially religious ones. in russia alone stalin burned and sacked 50,000 churches , in albania for example enver hoxha in 1967 outlawed relgion and implemented state atheism , if you even did the dign of cross you would go in prison for 7 years. did u forget high rate crimes in cambodia , vietnam , china predominately atheist countries
Compare that to the number of people who were killed in the name of god and it falls utterly short.
Did YOU forget all the people that were killed in the Wars of Religion, the Crusades, the Reformation, and all the people killed in the bible (the vicious book that actually instructs genocide, slavery and human sacrifice?)
Hitler was killing jews because he blamed them for the death of Christ, and the RCH was on board with this.
Sorry, but religion is to blame for a lot of death.
@kippmcleodtheheretic hahah that still doesnt account to 150 million , population of europe those years was no more than 40 million , wars of religion killed 700,000 and crusades even less. second all those murders in the bible come from old testament (jewish torah) which most christians dont even have in their bible especially protestants . actually hitler didnt kill jews because the killed christ lol he killed because they thought jews were traitors and made germany lose ww1 -historical FACT
That being the case, then GOD is the biggest mass murderer in history, killing more people than the devil himself. Plagues, famine, earthquakes and that big flood that supposedly drowned every living thing (even the fish I guess) were all done by god, and HE's not an atheist, unless he just doesn't believe in himself.
@kippmcleodtheheretic stalin is 40 + million , mao 65+ million, kim is atheist , in order to be a communist you got to be atheist , plus you see to forget castro , enver hoxha , nicolae ceaușescu, tito ,etc .how is stupid when many protestant after reformation dont accept it , second majority of catholics who read the whole bible dont read it LITERALLY that one of the difference between catholics and protestant , no catholic belivbes the world is 6000 years old , or that noah flood happened
Not reading the bible literally is just a way of saying not reading it correctly.
The bible says it is the inerent word of god to be read in full and to the letter. If you choose to ignore any of it, you're not a Christian, you're just a fan of their book.
And Catholics still follow the ten commandments, quote from psalms and proverbs, teach the genesis story, how do you choose which parts to follow and which to ignore? Does the pedo-pope just KNOW which parts to keep?
@kippmcleodtheheretic "Not reading the bible literally is just a way of saying not reading it correctly" no its not at all , muslims read the quran literally and look at them they live in 16th century.christians in the other hand evolved with time this is why it explains why gays have rights in every christian country even those 3rd world countries . christians or catholics are open mined , even in majority catholic countries like argentina brazil,etc who are 94%+ you still had atheist leaders
Fine, pick and choose what you want to believe in the book regardless of where it's written, but when if do, then why even have the book to begin with. If you can use your own judgment and evolve with the times, then what are you even doing with the bible to begin with. And when you do this, how can you call yourself a Christian, or even religious? You're just making up your own religion, which is fine, but don't tell me that it's any better than no religion at all.
Yeah, this quote from someone else totally contradicts the words of HITLER HIMSELF!
As well as the other quotes from those around him, members of the church itself and, oh yeah, every bit of photographic evidence that shows him visibly connected to the church.
@kippmcleodtheheretic --Politicians like to use photo opps and Hitler was no exception; In private Hitler and his goons spoke distainfully of the Church, and ultimately wanted to replace German Christianity with Pagan Nationalism.
“There has never been anything more grandiose on the earth than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party.” - Adolph Hitler - (The Nazi Persecution of the Churches" by J.S. Conway - Pgs. 25, 26 & 162)
I think he was no-religous. Many people where catholic at that time, and, well God with is is like say For Gods sake or whatever. It is just for show. TBH I think Hitler didn't really give a shit about his beliefs, andf just neglected the matter altogether.
YOU DAMN SILLY AND STUPID AMERICAN IGNMORANTS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WORLD WAR IT EVEN TOUCHED YOU EXEPT PEARL HARBOR. ALL THE OPRIEST WRE IN DANGER THEY DID NOT ACCEPT NAZISM. WE IN POLAND KNOW THATY WELL. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HITLER WAS FASCINATED WITH ISLAM. HE HATED JEWS LIKE MUSLIMS. CHRISTIANS DONT HAVE THIS OBSESSION WITH JEWS LIKE MUSLIMS MORONS.
If there are any historical texts or websites that you'd like to quote or link to support what you have to add to this (you'll notice I credited every quote in my video with a source) then please feel free.
And Christians most certainly DO have an obsession with Jews, since they reject and supposedly killed Jesus.
And the question was, "Was Hitler an ATHEIST?" Muslim or Christian, the answer is the same. NO.
Seriously, don't respond unless you can be intelligible. Thanks.
he said he was roman catholic he wrote that he was nazis wore we go with god buttons next to there swaztikas he never renounced his faith nor was he ever excmunicated TO BE excomunicated from the catholic church u need t do something horrible like be a 9 yr ols rape victem who gets an abortion for health reasons HITLER WAS CATHOLIC and to say otherwise is saying u can time travel and read minds because he said he was rote he was the church said he was etc etc etc all provable
Ýou need to be in communion with the church to get excommunicated; there is no double-excommunication. Hitler had stopped going to mass decades ago when he left home, excommunicating him would be a mockery.
"to say otherwise is saying u can time travel and read minds because he said he was rote he was the church said he was etc etc etc all provable"
You do realize history recorded many of his actions, we don't have to take his word for everything, right?
Hitler started the Protestant Reich Church and initiated AB-action, which targeted the intellectuals in Poland including the priests. 13 out of the 38 Catholic bishops in Poland ended up in Nazi concentration camps, and 16% of all Polish priests were killed. The major seminaries were closed and in Germany, Catholic youth programs were banned (in violation of the concordat) so the kids would have to join Hitler Youth and Catholic Action's leader was murdered by the Nazis
Hitler was catholic and never renounced his faith he was proud of it
In a 1922 speech, he said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. . . .
and
"-with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. . . ."
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.
- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant
"...if National Socialism is a Christian movement, then how is it explained that in 1933 nearly all the Catholic youth in Germany was being taught in Catholic schools, whereas now these schools are closed?"
Vatican radio. from "Religion: Vatican v. Naziism" Time Magazine. 1940
Hitler wrote to a French politician:
"The German people have the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers." 1930
We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933
The disingenuousness of Christians never ceases to amaze me. If it's a figure they wish were a Christian, eg. Einstein, any resemblance to their religion will do. Agnostic Jew? Close enough.
But if it's someone they wish weren't a Christian, no amount of evidence will do. Managed to gain the full blessing of the Catholic Church (which to this day has yet to excommunicate him) and claimed again and again to be a Catholic? Not good enough, he must have been faking. WTF.
Full blessing??? Here is what Pacelli (future pope), the Vatican's negotiator for the concordat said at the conclusion, "If the German Government violated the Concordat -- and they were certain to do so -- the Vatican would have a treaty on which to base a protest. In any case... the Germans would probably not violate all the articles of the Concordat at the same time."
John S. Conway. The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933-1945. p. 63
Hitler said "said the two biggest scourges in this world are pox and Christianity" does that sound like a catholic to you he was a "devout catholic in public to get the support of the people but in secret he was not
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." - Adolph Hitler to General Gerhart Engel.
Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church to blindly follow all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical.
@GuhYeahRight If he said anything positive in speech concerning Christinsanity he did so to relate to the audience. Most his true views were not expressed in speech, that's not how reforming a population works.
Atheists don't commit the nation to Almighty God and Atheists certainly do not encourage people to turn to Almighty God in time of crisis. Adolf Hitler in his last public Radio speech to the German Nation committed the people to Almighty God. He had done the same throughout his leadership as Head of State. Sounds confusing today but it happens to be a historical fact!
Wrong, read the quotes in this video. Highly religious man, arguably religiously motivated in the holocaust - Nazi soldiers often made reference to the idea that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death. He was also endorsed by the church, who celebrated his birthday as a holiday, and to this day have not excommunicated him as a Christian. Just read up on it.
@kippmcleodtheheretic these quotes were from in speeches and mein kampf in which hitler attempted appear religious to manipulate the public you should read up on the quotes in Hitler's table talk Joseph Goebbels, Albert Speers and Albert Bormanns Memoirs.
I'm not saying that there weren't inconsistencies, but Hitler clearly had beliefs and practices in the masonic and occult nature, which while non-Christian are VERY religious, and his antisemitism fits in with Christian doctrine and practice.
Nothing to say about the observed masonic and occult activities that were recorded by others beside Hitler and used as examples by Christians? You can't believe in the occult AND be an atheist, so which is it?
Also, what about the church's role in INVENTING Nazism? The colors he made Jews wear, the method in which he rounded up and segregated them were not atheist practices but church policy that he learned from them.
You don't have to believe me, the history is there.
@kippmcleodtheheretic the nazis were opposed to the churches they weren't supportive but wether that was because of hitlers religious views or german politics and treatment of the disabled and mentally ill and jews being opposed by the church is subjective and by the way can i ask if you have any qualification to do with this i.e studied it in school
Pope Pius XII signed the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican in Rome in July 1933. Hitler's army attended several public church services. A Nazi flag adorned the Cologne Cathedral in 1937. Catholic Bishops were photographed giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler. The photos exist. Just go look it up.
And yes, I did study this in college a decade ago when I was just a few years older than you. Asking for credentials instead of doing the research yourself? Really?
@kippmcleodtheheretic oh no the thing about the qualifications was just to check so i wouldn't offend you by being patronising as for the concordat, as it says in this rather handy oxford textbook i have here hitler never intended to stick to the concordat it was to get the christians out of politics, also christian youth organisations were broken up by the hitler youth and preists were beaten up and arrested, and hitler attended those services as a show of religion to manipulate the public
@kippmcleodtheheretic can you please not use examples of hitlers speeches or actions that were given and shown to the public as they were to manipulate the public use his private quotes and actual thoughts portrayed by those quotes
@kippmcleodtheheretic can you please not use examples of hitlers speeches or actions that were given and shown to the public as they were to manipulate the public use his private quotes and actual thoughts portrayed by those quotes
My citing of those events wasn't meant to speak to Hitler's mindset but to the church's glaring and repeated endorsement of Hitler and his agenda. Also, you haven't addressed the occultist writings or ceremonies of Hitler. Mysticism was a serious part of his personal beliefs (What good would it do him to pretend to be a mason?) Hitler may not have been a "true" Christian, whatever that means to you, but he was absolutely not an agnostic or an atheist.
@kippmcleodtheheretic on the whole the church completely apposed the nazis - religious leaders were arrested of the top of my head; martin niemoller anyway agree to disagree?
I generally don't have a problem with disagreements, because we're all entitled to our own opinions. However, we are NOT entitled to our own facts. Making a blanket statement like this without a shred of evidence, while ignoring a mountain of contrary evidence by dismissively saying I should "use his private quotes and actual thoughts" as if any of us have access to that, is INSANE. I provided tons of support for my claims, and I do not disagree with you. You are just WRONG.
@kippmcleodtheheretic there are access to his private quotes; read hitler's table talk and albert speer, albert borman and joseph goebels memoirs these have private quotes and hitlers true thoughts you should read that but i'll admit a lost due to lack of specific knowledge
Historian Kevin Spicer has been able to identify less than 150 so called "Brown Priests" (Nazi priests), out of the more than 42,000 Catholic priests in Germany at the time. E. Davidson, of the Yale Press, who went to Europe during the war to research wrote that, "“National Socialist leaders and dogmas were basically, uncompromisingly antireligious”.
The clashes between the Nazis and the churches led to another Kirchenkampf, and later to Nazi plans to end the church
To quote the Vatican when a Nazi propagander work claimed that Nazism was in accordance with Christian principals:
"Firstly, this statement manifestly contradicts the bulk of Nazi literature, which during the last eight years with unparalleled power and ingenuity has attacked religion and the Catholic Church."
Secondly, if National Socialism is a Christian movement, then how is it explained that in 1933 nearly all the Catholic youth in Germany was being taught in Catholic schools, whereas now [1940] these schools are closed?
This is a complete non sequitur. The whole point of the video (and the above conversation) was whether or not Hitler was an atheist, not whether or not the Nazism or National Socialism are Christian movements. They were not, and also, Hitler was not an atheist.
"atheistic attitudes" what does that even mean? Either he was an atheist or he wasn't. If he was, then where is your "evidence?" If you're going to make a clean then please cite your evidence.
@kippmcleodtheheretic Do you always lead with your chin? How about "The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
@kippmcleodtheheretic Or perhaps "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." Or maybe "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse..." Or "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little...." As I have suggested, these are atheistic attitudes.
@hdregmore Actually, these are not atheistic attitudes, they are anti-Christian attitudes. Hitler had many views that drew heavily from paganism, masonry and Christianity. He was endorsed by the church and led prayers with his soldiers. Maybe he wasn't a Christian by your standards, but he did believe in God and a higher power. Ergo, NOT an atheist. If you think all non-Christians are atheists, you should talk to the two-thirds of the world with different religions than yours.
@kippmcleodtheheretic As I have written,he used religion to further his own agenda. Atheism in part is a denial of God and that is evident from many of his quotes and all of his actions.His grandiose belief in himself is also a denial of God along with his a warped perception of his own divinity.Your statement regarding Non-Christians being atheists is quite absurd and only insults our intelligence.
@kippmcleodtheheretic The facts are that there is evidence supporting Hitler having atheistic views and others that imply his motives are religiously based.
Except atheism is a response to something. You can't be a little bit of an atheist, you either are or are not. You eitherwhich is why there are no such things as "atheistic views." And even if there were, it would not address the point of the video, which is called "Was Adolf Hitler an Atheist?"
Atheism is a response to a claim. You can't be a little bit of an atheist, you either are or are not. You either believe in a god or you do not. Which is why there is no such thing as "atheistic views." Just like there are no "partial pregnant symptoms" you're either pregnant or you're not.
Even if there existed some middle ground here, it still wouldn't address the point of the video, which is called "Was Adolf Hitler an Atheist?"
@kippmcleodtheheretic What do you think agnostic means?Your suggestions and analogies are just not logical.Atheistic views are those that suggest that man is the controller of the natural universe and the denial of God in this role.In this respect Hitler was clearly of the opinion that he had a divine mission to fulfill. This reflects all the criteria needed for him to be called an atheist.The only possible argument to this is his political use of religion to gain his own ends (as I have stated)
This is patently not true, and I'm sorry that you think this. Agnosticism refers to knowledge, not belief. Atheism is the rejection of a belief in the existence of god and nothing more. The belief in a "divine mission" is antithetical to atheism. Most atheists are aware that we humans do not influence the natural world in this way, and oppose the arrogant presumption that a god listens to our prayers. Your own words show that it is impossible for him to have been an atheist.
@kippmcleodtheheretic Agnosticism is defined as a) One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.Or b).One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.It can also mean in general "one who is doubtful or noncommittal about something." Atheism is usually defined scientifically by atheists as a position ruled by the lack of proof of the for God.
@kippmcleodtheheretic Hitler was a proponent of the theory evolution (as per Mein Kampf), this and other indications can qualify him as an atheist. To say that he was religious when he only used such a stance to further his atheistic goals is blatantly incorrect.
So the acceptance of evolution as a scientifically proven fact makes someone an atheist? I wonder what the millions of Christians who accept evolution would say about that? Also, Hitler rejected the teachings of Darwin, as it didn't coincide with his theory of a master race. He DID however support the work of Lamarck, who postulated that evolution took place in part due to a conscious effort on the part of the species. This has been universally rejected in favor of natural selection.
@kippmcleodtheheretic You are deliberately ignoring that this is only one of many indications of his atheism.You are correct in his acceptance of evolution however you fail to realize that during this point in time such ideas were said to atheistic.You now try to compare it with the thinking of modern Christians.It appears that you have accepted the dichotomy that Hitler was a religious person with atheistic ideals.Try referring back to your own analogies, he could not be half pregnant could he?
No, he was a religious person with secular ideals. He believed in his own version of God. Not an atheist. He believed in divine authority and divine power. Not an atheist. He believed in destiny. Not an atheist. . Atheists believe in NONE of these things. Accepting evolution (which is TRUE by the way) doesn't make him an atheist, I don't care if people back then thought it did (which they DIDN'T)
I'm sorry but I think you just need to read more. Peace.
@kippmcleodtheheretic He believed he was God. Not religious. He systematically killed people because of their religion. Not religious. He believed in his DIVINE destiny not God's. Not religious. You are obviously over-read in misinformed directions. Amateur histrionics can do that. :)
So you believe that religious heads are responsible for all wars.....Wrong again
You think that atheists do not believe through ego that they are God....Third time wrong. As I said amateur historians should study a bit of the philosophy regarding the period they are attempting to highlight. Seriously dude you need to revisit your standard history classes before moving to the advanced..
@kippmcleodtheheretic Enough with the "seriously dude" nonsense, you argue for a point and then refuse to accept it's ramifications. Perhaps you have not been eating mummy's sandwiches at playtime and you are having serious history lesson comprehension problems. I started this by saying that Hitler was in total neither religious nor atheistic and you have managed to tangle history into a warped infantile slanging match. No doubt you will block me now or delete my posts.
I have no intention of deleting your posts. I WANT people to see this stuff. People should know that there are some out there who:
A) Don't know logic
B) Don't know etimology
C) Won't follow simple discourse without resorting to childish remarks
D) WILL put words in the mouths of others
In all of your ramblings you never addressed a single point I made. You drew wild conclusions from my words. You threw in one non-sequitur after another.
I'm happy to let people see this exchange, and hopefully they'll take a look at your channel too, to see the source of these comments. They'll see the moral of a theist's original content. I recommend:
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@kippmcleodtheheretic Thanks for the plug.You missed my titles. Hitler and Atheism,The Fallacy of the High Atheist IQ, the Joke About the Peaceful Atheist Nations,Reality Hurts(The Atheist Dilemma),Nuevo Atheist -More Stuff You Won't Believe all of which unlike your immature attempt at distracting people from the debate, are incredibly relevant.I take it that you are attempting to embarrass me by thinking that I am a deeply religious prude and should be ashamed of funny videos.You FAILED again.
@kippmcleodtheheretic So you are happy to berate me for "tits and ass" videos as you call them even though you admit that you like them? Interesting. In any case you have unsuccessfully and desperately attacked the player after you have dropped the ball. So would you care to salvage any of your shredded dignity by getting back to the points of our debate? Or are you happy to snicker at "tits and ass" videos like a 12 year old and leave the intelligent debate for the grown ups?
@kippmcleodtheheretic Your attempt at "dismissing" is only a childish ploy. Everyone now knows that you are not interested in the facts of the issue and that you only wish to belittle those who disagree with you. You have presented really bad form in regards to respectability and credibility. Quite sad for you appeared to be reasonable astute regarding the matter. Namste
@kippmcleodtheheretic I have already chalked this up as a win by default due to your insistence on personally attacking me and ignoring the facts. The errors you consistently make in your posts just adds sweet icing for me.
The point of this video is not what religion he had, but merely that he did indeed have a religion, as opposed to being an atheist, as we're so often told that he was.
Hitler had many quasi-religious views, some borrowed from Paganism and Masonry, others from Christianity. But he did in fact believe in a god, and he believed he could tap into the power of that god via prayer and rituals.
It is a well documented fact that Adolf Hitler was a Roman Catholic; however, his faith is really not important. After all, the grim work of implementing the final solution was carried out by the German citizens. Prior to World War II, about two-thirds of the German population was Protestant and the remainder Roman Catholic. These are the Christian men and women who killed millions of Jews.
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might ... that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."ADOLF HITLER
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
the Germans simply inspected the penis to identity every communist jew for either deportation or the labor camps. Americans then soon began to circumcise all male infants after the jews tricked them with bogus magazine articles. The jews schemed to be incognito amongst other mutilated males in case Americans also rebelled against jewish supremacism. Untold millions of defenseless male infants in America would have been spared penis mutilation had Hitler defeated jewish supremacism.
Of he highest ranking men in the National Socialists, only Goebels was excommunicated (because he married a protestant)! I guess it's OK for people to perpetrate the most horrific acts as long as they attend worship services, don't betray their religion, and ask God for forgiveness.
Same goes for Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Andrew Jackson, Kim Il Sung, or any other genocidal maniac
@neoarcadezr No shit Atheism isn't a religion. Saying it's a religous view is not the same as saying it's a religion. That's like saying someone's political views is politics and not just their views. I never said Atheism was a religion. I'm an Atheist myself. All I'm saying is the extemists of ANY kind, not just pretaining to views on religion can more often than not start something.
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
@ListenConfirmAct I must admit we would have a very interesting conversation if we were to sit together in a fundamentalist church. I was part of the fundamentalist church in Australia in the 80's and I didn't make any friends. I always felt the message Christ was trying to get across was not to organize and politicize your beliefs. When I voiced this I was accused of having a spirit of rebellion in my heart, so I shut up. Hey, I was only 12 and scared of damnation.
@ListenConfirmAct Well I don't know what to say to that except, I concur. Why after all those comments you made below do you come up with a piece of enlightened commentary like this. Yes we are the sum of all the decisions we make. In the end you have no excuse.You made your choices. you live the life you chose. I also get angry with people who judge me because I don't believe what they believe. Am I less than you because I question established western religion? (or any religion?)
@ListenConfirmAct You are getting ganged up on because your views and comments are offensive. Do you think people aren't going to be offended if you either say or agree with statements that, their beliefs or lack thereof, are responsible for the holocaust.
I know people who believe in lots of gods, i know people who believe in opposing gods, i know people who dont believe in gods but other higher forces.
It seems you are excluding the differences so you can celebrate the hope given by other faiths.
An argument which proves krishna, does not prove yahweh.
Why am i not qualified to claim his argument is flawed? He is an autodidact, so am i, you are just excluding my reasoning in preference to what you want to hear.
Well history shows that all major conspiracies collapse very quickly due to human nature.
We are awful at keeping secrets, especially when there is money to be made selling your story to the media. The only way to have a story is with evidence, so pretty much every small conspiracy gets blown open, or the whistle gets blown before it ever happens.
I laugh when 9 years after 9/11, it seems not one of the supposed tens of thousands of 'conspiring operatives' has sold their story.
To debate them. Even if I had a gun I wouldn't "convert" them to atheism, imposition is not my style, why should I put myself on such a level and become the very monster that I am against?
A high IQ and some anecdotal claims that he is the smartest man in 'america' does not give him authority, nor does it qualify false arguments.
You cannot argue god into existence, because any argument for god is subject to substitution. For example i can deduce the existence of god 'X' using elaborate syllogisms and avoiding direct refutation, however the SAME argument can be used to prove god 'Y' is the true god.
You need physical evidence to identify the 'real' God.
Theres a political concept of a new world order (1 world government) which is a valid intellectual proposition for unity.
Then there is the conspiracy theory bullshit about a secret world government run by (please circle chosen enemy) jewish occultists, illuminati, aliens, elitists, rothschilds, reptilians, freemasons, other.
This is a paranoid version of events which deluded individuals with lots of imagination fabricate in order to feel like they are more intelligent knowing the 'truth'.
"it's funny, all these atheist that claim that they don't hate christians"
Thats right, I don't hate christians. And me challanging your beliefs does not make me a hater. Keep this up at any rate and you will become like those muslims who will shout "RACIST" for criticising or questioning their religion.
"teaming up against me"
Eurgh you should try going in some muslim chatrooms, they are all over me like flies when they find that I am a kuffar.
I dont believe in the new world order, unicorns, gnomes, fairies, deities, ghosts, reptilian overlords, planet nibiru, jesus, homeopathy, magic crystals... or any other completely unsubstantiated claim.
Why are you asking people to disprove god?
He was never proven in the first place, and asking us to prove a negative is a logical transgression of the highest order.
The burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of your 'positive' claim that 'your' particular god is real.
"All this century and most NOW. Explain you fearless Atheist Leaders. You know how the conquered?"
These are not my leaders, they do not represent me. These people had a religion revolving around themselves.
"They convinced people that there was no God and that religion was evil, much like you're doing."
So? That doesn't mean I'm a bloodsucking murderous genocidal leech hiding in the closet. I bet some of them thought theives were evil too....Damn that must mean I'm a genocidal maniac!
"Why do atheist feel the need to resort to comic book characters every time God or something that they can't prove is bought up."
The answer is already in your question. I will try using Pastafarianism instead.
"I have 5 words for you "Stalin, Hitler, Mao, North Korea, and even China today"
Hitler was not an atheist. There is also the time period you need to account for, e.g. they existed at a time where weapons of mass destruction were feasible (or weapons of easily killings).
"Of course math doesn't prove God to you. Thats because you've never bothered to search if it does."
Bring your mathematical proof then please.
"Thanks for admitting science can't explain everything, most atheist won't."
Science revolves around being honest and admitting it doesn't know everything, not one atheist I have talked to thinks of science as a "knowitall". It is however a methodology which has provided far more knowledge than any other so far.
There are more than 1 billion Christians, compared to atheists, Christians are a great majority. So you are more than welcome to bring your Christian friends to help you here if you so chose. But of course if they are smart enough they would realise that Adolf was not an atheist, he was a theist nutjob, but since when did being an atheist, or theist prevent you from being a nutjob anyway?
@ListenConfirmAct Okay, I can see you are angry about atheists telling you are full of crap. But look at the video you are posting to and the comments you made. Guys like atheistantidote and zkueker88 try to tell us we are responsible for the holocaust. That really pisses us off. In the future think about what you are saying and show a little respect. You throw petrol on a fire and cry because you got burned. Open your mind you might learn something.
I never said that Jesus LOOKED like Hitler. Sorry, but that's just a lie. I refuse to believe that even you believe what you wrote.
As for sarcasm... Oh what's the point. Stay here all you like, call me all the names you like, think whatever you like, I can't change that. I'm done.
I wish you the best and I wish you could do the same, but you can't. NOTE, I'm not saying that CHRISTIANS can't wish me the best, I'm saying that YOU PERSONALLY are incapable of showing some kindness to me.
@ListenConfirmAct No, if you want to be taken seriously you cite your argument.The burden of proof is on you. as for the HOUR argument , you asked me to prove love. I asked you to prove an hour exists. If you can't prove an hour exists you are in trouble.
@ListenConfirmAct Just because many believe something doesn't make it true. As for things proving god, cite your arguments. Otherwise it's just something you said. Well if we can't prove love( that's debatable) prove to me an hour exists. Taking into account you need 24 four of them for a measure of creation. If you can't prove an hour, creation fails. is that adult enough for you?
@ListenConfirmAct I can't speak for every atheist but my standing is I don't believe in your god but I can't prove conclusively that a "god" doesn't exist. Just like you and I can't prove a tea pot orbits outside Pluto. It's very unlikely but can you absolutely prove it false? Faith is not proof of anything. By definition it is belief without proof. Don't mix religion with science in the end you just look stupid.
I think it's cute that you find sarcasm and humor so offensive, yet use it readily when talking to others. That you conduct yourself with such hostility, yet continue to use the word "hatred" when describing others' feelings toward you, when everyone here has shown you annoyance at worst.
As for me needing to stop, YOU came HERE. You're still commenting on my video, and you're free to get out whenever you like, just as I politely asked you to earlier.
Usually when I walk into a church, I see the picture of a white guy who couldn't POSSIBLY have come from the region where Jesus supposedly lived and died. Hmm, maybe Hitler had more impact than I thought.
@ListenConfirmAct No, atheists and/or scientists don't know everything. There are lots of things we admit, with humility, that we just don't know. You are the one who always has the answer "god did it". I would rethink those examples. The earth does not hang on nothing, it is subject to gravitational forces that keep it in place. There you go with the circle thing again. and WOW someone observed condensation.Your willful ignorance is becoming tiresome.
@ListenConfirmAct. Wow, here you are again. "look up science in the bible"???!!? Would that be the earth is a two dimensional circle or it has four corners(Proverbs 8:27,Revelation 7:1). Or that the bat was a bird(Lev. 11:13-19)
The problem you have is you NEED the bible to be scientific. This does not make it scientific.
Saying that Hitler was a Christian is not the same as saying that he is an "example" of Christianity, it's just saying THE TRUTH. Just like saying that Stalin was an atheist isn't saying that he represents ALL atheists.
(Although I DO hear THAT correlation thrown around all the time by Christians. Just saying.)
I don't hate Christians, not even you. I think your beliefs are wrong, and that's it.
Also, the "I retreat" card? I just don't get that one. But, whatever.
I never said anyone was pushing their beliefs on anyone. I said that religion has had its run of the media for a long time, and the rest of us are sick of it, ergo, YouTube's video demographics.
Don't like it, MAKE YOUR OWN VIDEOS! Make them well, and promote them. Then you won't need to come here and hang on my work, you can worry about your own content.
Im starting to think you maybe havent read the bible, or at least you dont know it very well.
I dont know of course, but you seem to think that prophecies have been fulfilled which is a rhetoric of modern mainstream apologetics.
Im specifically referring to the old testament here because this is afterall the book where the messiahs role is carved in stone. Im starting to doubt if really know what the messiah was going to do, can you please shed some light here?
I am happy to point out that you are factually incorrect, but when you accuse me of twisting facts to support my atheism, you imply that these things are the basis of my views.
They have nothing to do with them, and if your agenda is as shallow as associating hitler and darwin to prove some atheist/genocide/evil/etc accusation then best of luck with that, it has no bearing on my position or logical relevance to the existence or non-existence of a deity.
Darwin is the ultimate atheist, whose lies and trickery are plunging the world into decay?
Seriously where are you going with this, can you cut to the chase?
Because i dont really care if Darwin was an evil atheist liar that invented an evil theory to screw the world over. I dont believe in god/s because there is no evidence, not because of evolution or any other theory.
The old testament says Gods word is eternal and unchanging, meaning he had no intention of making any new covenant.
You see you ignore the old testament so much, which is why you worship the messiah who failed to fulfull the OT prophecies. And if you dont know what they were, go and read the OT again.
Jesus did not show the jews the promised land, he came and gave an apocalyptic new vision, where the world would end and men would be judged.
This is not natural selection, this is nazi-eugenics.
If you do not understand the difference, then you need to go do more research.
Darwinian theory explains the origins of species through variation of genes and natural selection.
Eugenics (in the nazi form) is a pragmatic elimination of the weakest members of german society. And it was founded not on science but prejudice, since even disabled people can give birth to healthy young. It discounted science and replaced it with propaganda.
Normal eugenics is based on science, and focuses not on killing anybody, but isolating people who carry disease or who will likely bare children with afflictions.
It is a study to help overcome problems in our genepool by scanning for problems and trying to cure or advise against parenthood in extreme cases.
I have no predispositions other than my value of honesty.
I cannot logically be honest if i have predetermined conclusions, or bias.
By your standard he wasnt a christian, but this is purely subjective. Many christians kill and think themselves no less than devout and pious for their actions.
Genocide is permitted if it is gods will, after all he commanded it to Moses and Joshua, and no doubt you revere these me despite their actions.
It doesnt matter if Hitler was an athiest or catholic, what i object to is christians dumping his crimes on people like myself when such a man knowingly used religion (whether he believed or not) to enact genocide and his own racial ideology.
Hitler certainly did many things which support a faith in god, and there is very little evidence to suggest he was an atheist, although he certainly had his own ideas of what god meant to him, as does every other religious person i have encountered.
There is no consistency in chrisitanity, which is why there are literally thousands of denominations of this '1 true religion'.
I dont believe in gods, and i have no desire to harm other people. I pursue truth in terms of what we can objectively know, rather than what we can only believe to know.
Believe it or not i can still live a peaceful life without the fear of hell, although i do not claim that peace is in anyway what we ought strive for, since such assertions are fallacious.
So what if the Nazis wore belt buckles that say "God is with us"!!!!!!!!!!! If somebody wore a shirt that said "I am a Christian", that doesn't necessarily mean the person is, although he may be one.
The point is, if Hitler was a true Christian, he would not have killed millions of innocent Jews, let alone himself. This is just another atheist scheme to show that Christianity is the cause of all the suffering in history.
Well, jason, even though this nation was built on a Christian foundation, this nation has turned its back on God and His commandments. Therefore, we can conclude that this is not as much of a Christian nation any more because people like you have rejected God.
(p.s. I am truely and deeply honored that you plan on making a video about our debate)lol
Adolf Hitler wasn't a typical Christian, he was an arsehole
Hennerz632 1 month ago
@AtheosRecords
Okay, gave you a chance to prove me wrong and say something useful. You blew it. Bye! :)
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 months ago
@AtheosRecords
I explained pretty clearly why I deleted your comments, and you know for a fact it has nothing to do with getting my point across. You came to me, not the other way around. And you know what? This is my channel, and I am well within my rights to remove and keep whatever I want around here, and whomever I want as well. Deal with it.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 months ago
@AtheosRecords
Okay, so the reason I deleted your comments is first because if you post several comments at once, it clutters the page and prevents people from hearing any voice other than yours. Also, you clearly did not watch the video or read any of the quotes that I post. The answer to the question, "Was Hitler an Atheist," is of course, NO. I put a great deal of time into communicating that, and you clearly did not watch it. No, Hitler was NOT an atheist. I am. But you don't know that.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 months ago
@AtheosRecords
No part of my video is addressing the current state of either atheism or white supremacy, but the specific beliefs and words of one man. Where is a single quote from you regarding this man? If you're not responding to the discussion, then go away.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 months ago
WHO CARES IF HE WAS , STALIN ATHEIST , MAO ATHEIST,POL POT ATHEIST, KIM JONG II ATHEIST ETC ETC BETWEEN THEM 150 MILLION KILLED
albokk 6 months ago
@albokk
Saddam Hussein, THEIST, Osama bin Laden, THEIST, Salem Witch Judges, ALL THEISTS, Inquisitioners, ALL THEISTS, popes that led the Crusades, ALL THEISTS, priest pedophiles, ALL THEISTS, popes that hid them, ALL THEISTS, Genghis Khan, THEIST. You really wanna play this game? The point of this video is that it doesn't matter what religion he was.
However, if you want to keep count, theists have killed more people in history than anyone else, usually in the name of their god.
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic atheist were never in power thats why so many people there are theist. Once atheist came in power look what they caused starting from french revolution to communism ,isnt funny how all those people that you mentioned they are over 400 years old hahah while atheist leaders killed and slaughtered people in the modern age where people were suppose to be smart and more open minded .and they did that just in 70 years isnt that amazing. ps athiest killed more look it up
albokk 6 months ago
@albokk
So the first two on my list, Hussein and bin Laden, were 400 years ago?
Also, aren't most world leaders today theists? Aren't there STILL wars going on?
Also, the few countries that are primarily atheist/secular, like France, Finland, Japan, Norway, Denmark and Sweden, have less crime, murder and, yeah DEATH, than countries that are primarily religious like Sri Lanka, Indonesia, Malawi, Niger, Bangladesh, and of course the USA.
PS, I DID look it up.
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic " Also, aren't most world leaders today theists? Aren't there STILL wars going on?" commie countries had dicators it was up to them to kill people mercilessly go read about stalin atrocities, second today government are democratic so it not up to the leader of the country to start war so that point is invalid , you think you dont have atheist in politics who start wars.DO you in your right mind believe that the reason why those countries have have low crime is b cause
albokk 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic they are secular hahahahah , so being atheist makes somebody better , do you think people in usa rob banks they do it in the name of jesus lol. first of those countries were always peaceful even when christians were majority , so another fail . also they have strict gun laws. those countries you mentioned are 3rd WORLD COUNTRIES , thats why you have so much crime .why dont you compare countries like austria,portugal , spain, poland who are catholic with those you mentioned
albokk 6 months ago
@albokk
Democracies have leaders who can't start wars by themselves. Okay, so are we still saying that atheism is bad, or is it dictatorships? By this logic, wasn't the fact that Stalin was a dictator have more to do with his actions than being an atheist?
Also, there's a causation issue. The fact that these places 3rd world countries is the cause of their crime rates, but WHY are they third world countries to begin with. Maybe because of primitive thinking and beliefs (e.g. religion)
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
And finally we have your infantile remark about crimes not being committed because of someone's religion. You ask this while at the same time suggesting that atheists commit crimes because of their atheism. It's insane, and, like most theist arguments, it's circular. When Christians kill, it must be for a good reason, when they start wars, they must be right, when they were in charge everything was great, but when atheists do bad things, it's always because they're atheists.
Fail.
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic "atheism is an integral part of communism"- lenin is not only stalin who killed people , communism killed people especially religious ones. in russia alone stalin burned and sacked 50,000 churches , in albania for example enver hoxha in 1967 outlawed relgion and implemented state atheism , if you even did the dign of cross you would go in prison for 7 years. did u forget high rate crimes in cambodia , vietnam , china predominately atheist countries
albokk 6 months ago
@albokk
Compare that to the number of people who were killed in the name of god and it falls utterly short.
Did YOU forget all the people that were killed in the Wars of Religion, the Crusades, the Reformation, and all the people killed in the bible (the vicious book that actually instructs genocide, slavery and human sacrifice?)
Hitler was killing jews because he blamed them for the death of Christ, and the RCH was on board with this.
Sorry, but religion is to blame for a lot of death.
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic hahah that still doesnt account to 150 million , population of europe those years was no more than 40 million , wars of religion killed 700,000 and crusades even less. second all those murders in the bible come from old testament (jewish torah) which most christians dont even have in their bible especially protestants . actually hitler didnt kill jews because the killed christ lol he killed because they thought jews were traitors and made germany lose ww1 -historical FACT
albokk 6 months ago
@albokk
Which brings me to the question, where did you get 150 million?
Stalin 30 million, Mao 45, Pol Pot 2.5, Kim Jong-il 3 (not an atheist BTW) - Even guessing high that's less than 100.
But I digress. The "old testament doesn't count" argument is just plain stupid.
Christ said himself that he wasn't there to change the law but to uphold it (Matthew 5:17, John 5:2) and the Torrah literally means "the LAW."
Those two thirds of the bible that we call the old testament STILL COUNT!
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
That being the case, then GOD is the biggest mass murderer in history, killing more people than the devil himself. Plagues, famine, earthquakes and that big flood that supposedly drowned every living thing (even the fish I guess) were all done by god, and HE's not an atheist, unless he just doesn't believe in himself.
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic stalin is 40 + million , mao 65+ million, kim is atheist , in order to be a communist you got to be atheist , plus you see to forget castro , enver hoxha , nicolae ceaușescu, tito ,etc .how is stupid when many protestant after reformation dont accept it , second majority of catholics who read the whole bible dont read it LITERALLY that one of the difference between catholics and protestant , no catholic belivbes the world is 6000 years old , or that noah flood happened
albokk 6 months ago
@albokk
Not reading the bible literally is just a way of saying not reading it correctly.
The bible says it is the inerent word of god to be read in full and to the letter. If you choose to ignore any of it, you're not a Christian, you're just a fan of their book.
And Catholics still follow the ten commandments, quote from psalms and proverbs, teach the genesis story, how do you choose which parts to follow and which to ignore? Does the pedo-pope just KNOW which parts to keep?
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic "Not reading the bible literally is just a way of saying not reading it correctly" no its not at all , muslims read the quran literally and look at them they live in 16th century.christians in the other hand evolved with time this is why it explains why gays have rights in every christian country even those 3rd world countries . christians or catholics are open mined , even in majority catholic countries like argentina brazil,etc who are 94%+ you still had atheist leaders
albokk 6 months ago
@albokk
Fine, pick and choose what you want to believe in the book regardless of where it's written, but when if do, then why even have the book to begin with. If you can use your own judgment and evolve with the times, then what are you even doing with the bible to begin with. And when you do this, how can you call yourself a Christian, or even religious? You're just making up your own religion, which is fine, but don't tell me that it's any better than no religion at all.
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so" -- Adolf Hitler
okcSDRmedia 6 months ago
@okcSDRmedia --"Hitler had no real connections to the Catholic Church" -Albert Spears, Chief Architect for Nazi Germany.
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Reality fail.
WorldBibleUnion454 6 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454
Yeah, this quote from someone else totally contradicts the words of HITLER HIMSELF!
As well as the other quotes from those around him, members of the church itself and, oh yeah, every bit of photographic evidence that shows him visibly connected to the church.
(Hint, a lot of it is IN THIS VIDEO)
Reality fail is right!
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic --Politicians like to use photo opps and Hitler was no exception; In private Hitler and his goons spoke distainfully of the Church, and ultimately wanted to replace German Christianity with Pagan Nationalism.
WorldBibleUnion454 6 months ago
@WorldBibleUnion454
If it was said privately, how do YOU know about it?
Also, Pagans aren't atheists, so if you're saying that Hitler favored Pagan Nationalism over Christianity, you've answered the title of this video.
kippmcleodtheheretic 6 months ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic - I never claimed Hitler was an atheist; he certainly was against having an atheist-style state like the Soviet Union.
WorldBibleUnion454 6 months ago
“There has never been anything more grandiose on the earth than the hierarchical organization of the Catholic Church. I transferred much of this organization into my own party.” - Adolph Hitler - (The Nazi Persecution of the Churches" by J.S. Conway - Pgs. 25, 26 & 162)
okcSDRmedia 6 months ago
I think he was no-religous. Many people where catholic at that time, and, well God with is is like say For Gods sake or whatever. It is just for show. TBH I think Hitler didn't really give a shit about his beliefs, andf just neglected the matter altogether.
smileyking96 8 months ago
YOU DAMN SILLY AND STUPID AMERICAN IGNMORANTS YOU KNOW NOTHING ABOUT WORLD WAR IT EVEN TOUCHED YOU EXEPT PEARL HARBOR. ALL THE OPRIEST WRE IN DANGER THEY DID NOT ACCEPT NAZISM. WE IN POLAND KNOW THATY WELL. IF YOU WANT TO KNOW HITLER WAS FASCINATED WITH ISLAM. HE HATED JEWS LIKE MUSLIMS. CHRISTIANS DONT HAVE THIS OBSESSION WITH JEWS LIKE MUSLIMS MORONS.
gutierrezmaradona 8 months ago
@gutierrezmaradona
If there are any historical texts or websites that you'd like to quote or link to support what you have to add to this (you'll notice I credited every quote in my video with a source) then please feel free.
And Christians most certainly DO have an obsession with Jews, since they reject and supposedly killed Jesus.
And the question was, "Was Hitler an ATHEIST?" Muslim or Christian, the answer is the same. NO.
Seriously, don't respond unless you can be intelligible. Thanks.
kippmcleodtheheretic 8 months ago
sound track totally out of keeping with the subject, and damned irritating too!!!
FrLawRE 8 months ago
he said he was roman catholic he wrote that he was nazis wore we go with god buttons next to there swaztikas he never renounced his faith nor was he ever excmunicated TO BE excomunicated from the catholic church u need t do something horrible like be a 9 yr ols rape victem who gets an abortion for health reasons HITLER WAS CATHOLIC and to say otherwise is saying u can time travel and read minds because he said he was rote he was the church said he was etc etc etc all provable
drifter848 10 months ago
@drifter848
Ýou need to be in communion with the church to get excommunicated; there is no double-excommunication. Hitler had stopped going to mass decades ago when he left home, excommunicating him would be a mockery.
"to say otherwise is saying u can time travel and read minds because he said he was rote he was the church said he was etc etc etc all provable"
You do realize history recorded many of his actions, we don't have to take his word for everything, right?
afeeder 9 months ago
@drifter848
continued:
Hitler started the Protestant Reich Church and initiated AB-action, which targeted the intellectuals in Poland including the priests. 13 out of the 38 Catholic bishops in Poland ended up in Nazi concentration camps, and 16% of all Polish priests were killed. The major seminaries were closed and in Germany, Catholic youth programs were banned (in violation of the concordat) so the kids would have to join Hitler Youth and Catholic Action's leader was murdered by the Nazis
afeeder 9 months ago
Hitler was catholic and never renounced his faith he was proud of it
In a 1922 speech, he said: "My feeling as a Christian points me to my Lord and Savior as a fighter. . . .
and
"-with deepest emotion I recognize more profoundly than ever before the fact that it was for this that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross. As a Christian I have no duty to allow myself to be cheated, but I have the duty to be a fighter for truth and justice. . . ."
He was christian in his own words.
seonidh 10 months ago
Whatever he was , I say he was EVIL and a DEVIL
1846671 1 year ago
Secular schools can never be tolerated because such schools have no religious instruction, and a general moral instruction without a religious foundation is built on air; consequently, all character training and religion must be derived from faith ...we need believing people.
- Adolf Hitler, April 26, 1933, speech made during negotiations leading to the Nazi-Vatican Concordant
apollomiami83 1 year ago
@apollomiami83
because of course, Hitler was honest...
"...if National Socialism is a Christian movement, then how is it explained that in 1933 nearly all the Catholic youth in Germany was being taught in Catholic schools, whereas now these schools are closed?"
Vatican radio. from "Religion: Vatican v. Naziism" Time Magazine. 1940
Hitler wrote to a French politician:
"The German people have the solemn intention of living in peace and friendship with all civilized nations and powers." 1930
afeeder 10 months ago
We were convinced that the people need and require this faith. We have therefore undertaken the fight against the atheistic movement, and that not merely with a few theoretical declarations: we have stamped it out.
- Adolf Hitler, Speech in Berlin, October 24, 1933
apollomiami83 1 year ago
The disingenuousness of Christians never ceases to amaze me. If it's a figure they wish were a Christian, eg. Einstein, any resemblance to their religion will do. Agnostic Jew? Close enough.
But if it's someone they wish weren't a Christian, no amount of evidence will do. Managed to gain the full blessing of the Catholic Church (which to this day has yet to excommunicate him) and claimed again and again to be a Catholic? Not good enough, he must have been faking. WTF.
MrZardoz777 1 year ago
@MrZardoz777
Full blessing??? Here is what Pacelli (future pope), the Vatican's negotiator for the concordat said at the conclusion, "If the German Government violated the Concordat -- and they were certain to do so -- the Vatican would have a treaty on which to base a protest. In any case... the Germans would probably not violate all the articles of the Concordat at the same time."
John S. Conway. The Nazi Persecution of the Churches, 1933-1945. p. 63
afeeder 10 months ago
Hitler said "said the two biggest scourges in this world are pox and Christianity" does that sound like a catholic to you he was a "devout catholic in public to get the support of the people but in secret he was not
GamemasterRing 1 year ago
"I am now as before a Catholic and will always remain so." - Adolph Hitler to General Gerhart Engel.
Hitler's Germany amalgamated state with church. Soldiers of the vermacht wore belt buckles inscribed with the following: "Gott mit uns" (God is with us). His troops were often sprinkled with holy water by the priests. It was a real Christian country whose citizens were indoctrinated by both state and church to blindly follow all authority figures, political and ecclesiastical.
GuhYeahRight 1 year ago
@GuhYeahRight If he said anything positive in speech concerning Christinsanity he did so to relate to the audience. Most his true views were not expressed in speech, that's not how reforming a population works.
NSgreenRegime 10 months ago
Atheists don't commit the nation to Almighty God and Atheists certainly do not encourage people to turn to Almighty God in time of crisis. Adolf Hitler in his last public Radio speech to the German Nation committed the people to Almighty God. He had done the same throughout his leadership as Head of State. Sounds confusing today but it happens to be a historical fact!
frbjoern 1 year ago
err, he wasn't religious he was probably agnostic and may have been atheist
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@FredVegetable
Wrong, read the quotes in this video. Highly religious man, arguably religiously motivated in the holocaust - Nazi soldiers often made reference to the idea that the Jews were responsible for Jesus' death. He was also endorsed by the church, who celebrated his birthday as a holiday, and to this day have not excommunicated him as a Christian. Just read up on it.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic these quotes were from in speeches and mein kampf in which hitler attempted appear religious to manipulate the public you should read up on the quotes in Hitler's table talk Joseph Goebbels, Albert Speers and Albert Bormanns Memoirs.
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@FredVegetable
I'm not saying that there weren't inconsistencies, but Hitler clearly had beliefs and practices in the masonic and occult nature, which while non-Christian are VERY religious, and his antisemitism fits in with Christian doctrine and practice.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic again i would say public manipulation redo this video with christian private quotes from hitler and i might believe you
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@FredVegetable
Nothing to say about the observed masonic and occult activities that were recorded by others beside Hitler and used as examples by Christians? You can't believe in the occult AND be an atheist, so which is it?
Also, what about the church's role in INVENTING Nazism? The colors he made Jews wear, the method in which he rounded up and segregated them were not atheist practices but church policy that he learned from them.
You don't have to believe me, the history is there.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic the nazis were opposed to the churches they weren't supportive but wether that was because of hitlers religious views or german politics and treatment of the disabled and mentally ill and jews being opposed by the church is subjective and by the way can i ask if you have any qualification to do with this i.e studied it in school
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@FredVegetable
Pope Pius XII signed the Concordat between Nazi Germany and the Vatican in Rome in July 1933. Hitler's army attended several public church services. A Nazi flag adorned the Cologne Cathedral in 1937. Catholic Bishops were photographed giving the Nazi salute in honor of Hitler. The photos exist. Just go look it up.
And yes, I did study this in college a decade ago when I was just a few years older than you. Asking for credentials instead of doing the research yourself? Really?
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic oh no the thing about the qualifications was just to check so i wouldn't offend you by being patronising as for the concordat, as it says in this rather handy oxford textbook i have here hitler never intended to stick to the concordat it was to get the christians out of politics, also christian youth organisations were broken up by the hitler youth and preists were beaten up and arrested, and hitler attended those services as a show of religion to manipulate the public
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic can you please not use examples of hitlers speeches or actions that were given and shown to the public as they were to manipulate the public use his private quotes and actual thoughts portrayed by those quotes
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic can you please not use examples of hitlers speeches or actions that were given and shown to the public as they were to manipulate the public use his private quotes and actual thoughts portrayed by those quotes
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@FredVegetable
My citing of those events wasn't meant to speak to Hitler's mindset but to the church's glaring and repeated endorsement of Hitler and his agenda. Also, you haven't addressed the occultist writings or ceremonies of Hitler. Mysticism was a serious part of his personal beliefs (What good would it do him to pretend to be a mason?) Hitler may not have been a "true" Christian, whatever that means to you, but he was absolutely not an agnostic or an atheist.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic on the whole the church completely apposed the nazis - religious leaders were arrested of the top of my head; martin niemoller anyway agree to disagree?
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@FredVegetable
I generally don't have a problem with disagreements, because we're all entitled to our own opinions. However, we are NOT entitled to our own facts. Making a blanket statement like this without a shred of evidence, while ignoring a mountain of contrary evidence by dismissively saying I should "use his private quotes and actual thoughts" as if any of us have access to that, is INSANE. I provided tons of support for my claims, and I do not disagree with you. You are just WRONG.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic there are access to his private quotes; read hitler's table talk and albert speer, albert borman and joseph goebels memoirs these have private quotes and hitlers true thoughts you should read that but i'll admit a lost due to lack of specific knowledge
FredVegetable 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic
Historian Kevin Spicer has been able to identify less than 150 so called "Brown Priests" (Nazi priests), out of the more than 42,000 Catholic priests in Germany at the time. E. Davidson, of the Yale Press, who went to Europe during the war to research wrote that, "“National Socialist leaders and dogmas were basically, uncompromisingly antireligious”.
The clashes between the Nazis and the churches led to another Kirchenkampf, and later to Nazi plans to end the church
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic
To quote the Vatican when a Nazi propagander work claimed that Nazism was in accordance with Christian principals:
"Firstly, this statement manifestly contradicts the bulk of Nazi literature, which during the last eight years with unparalleled power and ingenuity has attacked religion and the Catholic Church."
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
Continued:
Secondly, if National Socialism is a Christian movement, then how is it explained that in 1933 nearly all the Catholic youth in Germany was being taught in Catholic schools, whereas now [1940] these schools are closed?
Vatican v. Naziism, "Time" magazine
ihaveadesk1 1 year ago
@ihaveadesk1
This is a complete non sequitur. The whole point of the video (and the above conversation) was whether or not Hitler was an atheist, not whether or not the Nazism or National Socialism are Christian movements. They were not, and also, Hitler was not an atheist.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
There is documented evidence of him having atheistic attitudes, however for his own agenda he used the platform of religion.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
"atheistic attitudes" what does that even mean? Either he was an atheist or he wasn't. If he was, then where is your "evidence?" If you're going to make a clean then please cite your evidence.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Do you always lead with your chin? How about "The law of selection justifies this incessant struggle, by allowing the survival of the fittest. Christianity is a rebellion against natural law, a protest against nature. Taken to its logical extreme, Christianity would mean the systematic cultivation of the human failure."
hdregmore 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Or perhaps "Let it not be said that Christianity brought man the life of the soul, for that evolution was in the natural order of things." Or maybe "Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse..." Or "...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little...." As I have suggested, these are atheistic attitudes.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore Actually, these are not atheistic attitudes, they are anti-Christian attitudes. Hitler had many views that drew heavily from paganism, masonry and Christianity. He was endorsed by the church and led prayers with his soldiers. Maybe he wasn't a Christian by your standards, but he did believe in God and a higher power. Ergo, NOT an atheist. If you think all non-Christians are atheists, you should talk to the two-thirds of the world with different religions than yours.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic As I have written,he used religion to further his own agenda. Atheism in part is a denial of God and that is evident from many of his quotes and all of his actions.His grandiose belief in himself is also a denial of God along with his a warped perception of his own divinity.Your statement regarding Non-Christians being atheists is quite absurd and only insults our intelligence.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic The facts are that there is evidence supporting Hitler having atheistic views and others that imply his motives are religiously based.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
Except atheism is a response to something. You can't be a little bit of an atheist, you either are or are not. You eitherwhich is why there are no such things as "atheistic views." And even if there were, it would not address the point of the video, which is called "Was Adolf Hitler an Atheist?"
He was not.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@hdregmore
Atheism is a response to a claim. You can't be a little bit of an atheist, you either are or are not. You either believe in a god or you do not. Which is why there is no such thing as "atheistic views." Just like there are no "partial pregnant symptoms" you're either pregnant or you're not.
Even if there existed some middle ground here, it still wouldn't address the point of the video, which is called "Was Adolf Hitler an Atheist?"
He was not.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic What do you think agnostic means?Your suggestions and analogies are just not logical.Atheistic views are those that suggest that man is the controller of the natural universe and the denial of God in this role.In this respect Hitler was clearly of the opinion that he had a divine mission to fulfill. This reflects all the criteria needed for him to be called an atheist.The only possible argument to this is his political use of religion to gain his own ends (as I have stated)
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
This is patently not true, and I'm sorry that you think this. Agnosticism refers to knowledge, not belief. Atheism is the rejection of a belief in the existence of god and nothing more. The belief in a "divine mission" is antithetical to atheism. Most atheists are aware that we humans do not influence the natural world in this way, and oppose the arrogant presumption that a god listens to our prayers. Your own words show that it is impossible for him to have been an atheist.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Agnosticism is defined as a) One who believes that it is impossible to know whether there is a God.Or b).One who is skeptical about the existence of God but does not profess true atheism.It can also mean in general "one who is doubtful or noncommittal about something." Atheism is usually defined scientifically by atheists as a position ruled by the lack of proof of the for God.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Hitler was a proponent of the theory evolution (as per Mein Kampf), this and other indications can qualify him as an atheist. To say that he was religious when he only used such a stance to further his atheistic goals is blatantly incorrect.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
So the acceptance of evolution as a scientifically proven fact makes someone an atheist? I wonder what the millions of Christians who accept evolution would say about that? Also, Hitler rejected the teachings of Darwin, as it didn't coincide with his theory of a master race. He DID however support the work of Lamarck, who postulated that evolution took place in part due to a conscious effort on the part of the species. This has been universally rejected in favor of natural selection.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic You are deliberately ignoring that this is only one of many indications of his atheism.You are correct in his acceptance of evolution however you fail to realize that during this point in time such ideas were said to atheistic.You now try to compare it with the thinking of modern Christians.It appears that you have accepted the dichotomy that Hitler was a religious person with atheistic ideals.Try referring back to your own analogies, he could not be half pregnant could he?
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
No, he was a religious person with secular ideals. He believed in his own version of God. Not an atheist. He believed in divine authority and divine power. Not an atheist. He believed in destiny. Not an atheist. . Atheists believe in NONE of these things. Accepting evolution (which is TRUE by the way) doesn't make him an atheist, I don't care if people back then thought it did (which they DIDN'T)
I'm sorry but I think you just need to read more. Peace.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic He believed he was God. Not religious. He systematically killed people because of their religion. Not religious. He believed in his DIVINE destiny not God's. Not religious. You are obviously over-read in misinformed directions. Amateur histrionics can do that. :)
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
"He believed he was God" - look up JESUS
"He systematically killed people because of their religion" look up POPE URBAN II
"He believed in his DIVINE destiny not God's" look up JOSEPH SMITH
All religious people. NOT atheists.
Seriously dude, know the history of religion before you try to tell anyone what it is.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic So you believe that Hitler was God....Wrong
So you believe that religious heads are responsible for all wars.....Wrong again
You think that atheists do not believe through ego that they are God....Third time wrong. As I said amateur historians should study a bit of the philosophy regarding the period they are attempting to highlight. Seriously dude you need to revisit your standard history classes before moving to the advanced..
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
Did I SAY I believe Hitler was god? Wrong.
Did I SAY that religious heads are responsible for all wars? Wrong.
And if you think that disagreeing with you means that I think I'm a god, NO WONDER you need religion to tell you how to think.
And have you taken even a rudimentary history class? Not counting the one between lunch and recess?
Seriously dude, you should try visiting a school where they read more than one book.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Enough with the "seriously dude" nonsense, you argue for a point and then refuse to accept it's ramifications. Perhaps you have not been eating mummy's sandwiches at playtime and you are having serious history lesson comprehension problems. I started this by saying that Hitler was in total neither religious nor atheistic and you have managed to tangle history into a warped infantile slanging match. No doubt you will block me now or delete my posts.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
I have no intention of deleting your posts. I WANT people to see this stuff. People should know that there are some out there who:
A) Don't know logic
B) Don't know etimology
C) Won't follow simple discourse without resorting to childish remarks
D) WILL put words in the mouths of others
In all of your ramblings you never addressed a single point I made. You drew wild conclusions from my words. You threw in one non-sequitur after another.
Why would I delete this? This is good stuff!
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Now you are reverting to throwing my own suggestions back at me.
A) You started the insults
B) You refuse to accept sited examples of Hitler's rejection of God
C) I have not put "words in your mouth", you have been tripped over brilliantly by your own illogical gibberish
D) You viewers now know how shallow and empty your knowledge of history is.
It's all good for me.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
I'm happy to let people see this exchange, and hopefully they'll take a look at your channel too, to see the source of these comments. They'll see the moral of a theist's original content. I recommend:
Sexy Fail, Sexy Fun With The Graviton, Gym Booty Shake, Sex and the Single Scramjet, The Craziest Sexy Japanese Game Show Ever, Sexy Pole Dancers and Homopolar Motors, Sexy Illusions, The Wet The Bed Babes, Bikini Contest Catfight or Sexy Sprinkles Anyone?
ALL real titles! Enjoy :)
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Thanks for the plug.You missed my titles. Hitler and Atheism,The Fallacy of the High Atheist IQ, the Joke About the Peaceful Atheist Nations,Reality Hurts(The Atheist Dilemma),Nuevo Atheist -More Stuff You Won't Believe all of which unlike your immature attempt at distracting people from the debate, are incredibly relevant.I take it that you are attempting to embarrass me by thinking that I am a deeply religious prude and should be ashamed of funny videos.You FAILED again.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
Actually I was referring to your taste, not your prudishness.
It's hard to take videos seriously when they're sandwiched between tit and ass.
It's also hard to take someone seriously who can't get views without tit and ass.
But don't get me wrong, I LOVE tit and ass! The other stuff may all have only a few dozen views, but who cares, right?
As I said, enjoy.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic So you are happy to berate me for "tits and ass" videos as you call them even though you admit that you like them? Interesting. In any case you have unsuccessfully and desperately attacked the player after you have dropped the ball. So would you care to salvage any of your shredded dignity by getting back to the points of our debate? Or are you happy to snicker at "tits and ass" videos like a 12 year old and leave the intelligent debate for the grown ups?
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
Who's berating? I'm dismissing. There's a difference.
The fact that you don't see the irony of your own channel is as clear as the fact that you don't see the sarcasm of my comment.
This is to a debate what a thumb wrestling match is to game of chess.
Seriously, I'm not sure why you're still posting.
I know, you could say the same, but then, you came to my channel.
So are we done now? Or not. How important is the last word to you?
Let's see if we can just wrap this up.
Peace.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic Your attempt at "dismissing" is only a childish ploy. Everyone now knows that you are not interested in the facts of the issue and that you only wish to belittle those who disagree with you. You have presented really bad form in regards to respectability and credibility. Quite sad for you appeared to be reasonable astute regarding the matter. Namste
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
I knew you couldn't do it :)
(BTW, were you trying to spell namaste? Just a beautiful ending!)
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic If you understood any Sanskrit you would know the difference. An even more wonderful ending for me. Namste guruve tasmai.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
You really don't know how to quit me, do you?
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
and really, it's "Namaste guruve tasmai"
This is too funny!
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
@kippmcleodtheheretic I have already chalked this up as a win by default due to your insistence on personally attacking me and ignoring the facts. The errors you consistently make in your posts just adds sweet icing for me.
hdregmore 1 year ago
@hdregmore
This is just too good. You really don't know HOW to not have the last word do you?
You came to me, you made the FIRST comment, you won a self-declared victory, so why continue? Why do you need to make the LAST comment as well? Why?
Here's your chance, just try it. Man enough to walk away or not?
Peace (I know I've said that before, but let's see how it goes this time)
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
He belived in his own religion, and tried to create his own take on it.
Just as islam is trying to do now
inwoodadam 1 year ago
@inwoodadam
The point of this video is not what religion he had, but merely that he did indeed have a religion, as opposed to being an atheist, as we're so often told that he was.
Hitler had many quasi-religious views, some borrowed from Paganism and Masonry, others from Christianity. But he did in fact believe in a god, and he believed he could tap into the power of that god via prayer and rituals.
Ergo, NOT an atheist.
kippmcleodtheheretic 1 year ago
Hitler admired Islam
logelamutp 1 year ago
It is a well documented fact that Adolf Hitler was a Roman Catholic; however, his faith is really not important. After all, the grim work of implementing the final solution was carried out by the German citizens. Prior to World War II, about two-thirds of the German population was Protestant and the remainder Roman Catholic. These are the Christian men and women who killed millions of Jews.
DEricKesler 1 year ago
"In boundless love as a Christian and as a man I read through the passage which tells us how the Lord at last rose in His might ... that He had to shed his blood upon the Cross."ADOLF HITLER
I believe today that my conduct is in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator.
- Adolf Hitler, Mein Kampf, Vol. 1 Chapter 2
qaplatlhinganmaH 1 year ago
the Germans simply inspected the penis to identity every communist jew for either deportation or the labor camps. Americans then soon began to circumcise all male infants after the jews tricked them with bogus magazine articles. The jews schemed to be incognito amongst other mutilated males in case Americans also rebelled against jewish supremacism. Untold millions of defenseless male infants in America would have been spared penis mutilation had Hitler defeated jewish supremacism.
UntoldBillions 1 year ago
I say Hitler was more of an occultist then anything else,when it comes to religion.
KevZen2000 1 year ago
watch?v=Ore3LUc0WQs
DSD1v57BG32 1 year ago
The music sounds like old Red hot chili peppers stuff even the singers voice
MrCornonacob 1 year ago
Hitler was a Roman Catholic.
bookwormsrcool 1 year ago
Of he highest ranking men in the National Socialists, only Goebels was excommunicated (because he married a protestant)! I guess it's OK for people to perpetrate the most horrific acts as long as they attend worship services, don't betray their religion, and ask God for forgiveness.
Same goes for Stalin, Pol Pot, Idi Amin, Andrew Jackson, Kim Il Sung, or any other genocidal maniac
drfoxcourt 1 year ago
If you take any religous view to the extreme, wheter it be Atheism, Christianity, Islam, etc., the results will almost always be disasterous.
TomDarkwulf 1 year ago
@TomDarkwulf atheism is not a religion and that's not true no one ever killed in the name of atheism
neoarcadezr 1 year ago
@neoarcadezr No shit Atheism isn't a religion. Saying it's a religous view is not the same as saying it's a religion. That's like saying someone's political views is politics and not just their views. I never said Atheism was a religion. I'm an Atheist myself. All I'm saying is the extemists of ANY kind, not just pretaining to views on religion can more often than not start something.
TomDarkwulf 1 year ago
"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord." Adolf Hitler (Mein Kampf)
this says it all
Brendanoco 1 year ago
@ListenConfirmAct I must admit we would have a very interesting conversation if we were to sit together in a fundamentalist church. I was part of the fundamentalist church in Australia in the 80's and I didn't make any friends. I always felt the message Christ was trying to get across was not to organize and politicize your beliefs. When I voiced this I was accused of having a spirit of rebellion in my heart, so I shut up. Hey, I was only 12 and scared of damnation.
ptango101 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct Well I don't know what to say to that except, I concur. Why after all those comments you made below do you come up with a piece of enlightened commentary like this. Yes we are the sum of all the decisions we make. In the end you have no excuse.You made your choices. you live the life you chose. I also get angry with people who judge me because I don't believe what they believe. Am I less than you because I question established western religion? (or any religion?)
ptango101 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct You are getting ganged up on because your views and comments are offensive. Do you think people aren't going to be offended if you either say or agree with statements that, their beliefs or lack thereof, are responsible for the holocaust.
ptango101 2 years ago
People are always going to be people no matter who they are or what they believe.
Christians can be just as much assholes as atheists.
LordMalice6d9 2 years ago
Thats rather narrow..
I know people who believe in lots of gods, i know people who believe in opposing gods, i know people who dont believe in gods but other higher forces.
It seems you are excluding the differences so you can celebrate the hope given by other faiths.
An argument which proves krishna, does not prove yahweh.
Why am i not qualified to claim his argument is flawed? He is an autodidact, so am i, you are just excluding my reasoning in preference to what you want to hear.
digitised 2 years ago
Well history shows that all major conspiracies collapse very quickly due to human nature.
We are awful at keeping secrets, especially when there is money to be made selling your story to the media. The only way to have a story is with evidence, so pretty much every small conspiracy gets blown open, or the whistle gets blown before it ever happens.
I laugh when 9 years after 9/11, it seems not one of the supposed tens of thousands of 'conspiring operatives' has sold their story.
digitised 2 years ago
"dude, your homepage on youtube says it all."
There is no hate in it ;)
"as for muslims..."
To debate them. Even if I had a gun I wouldn't "convert" them to atheism, imposition is not my style, why should I put myself on such a level and become the very monster that I am against?
TurboDally 2 years ago
Chris Langan (i assume you are referring too) is not a christian, and he does not belong to any religious denomination.
I have skimmed his CTMU and appears to be a variation of the transcendental argument, which is actually highly flawed.
He does not seem to bridge the dualism gap, which is a huge issue for any argument of the soul, he seems to completely neglect this.
Christians cannot take credit for his claims anyway, since he is not supporting your God. He has his own seperate belief.
digitised 2 years ago
A high IQ and some anecdotal claims that he is the smartest man in 'america' does not give him authority, nor does it qualify false arguments.
You cannot argue god into existence, because any argument for god is subject to substitution. For example i can deduce the existence of god 'X' using elaborate syllogisms and avoiding direct refutation, however the SAME argument can be used to prove god 'Y' is the true god.
You need physical evidence to identify the 'real' God.
digitised 2 years ago
Theres a political concept of a new world order (1 world government) which is a valid intellectual proposition for unity.
Then there is the conspiracy theory bullshit about a secret world government run by (please circle chosen enemy) jewish occultists, illuminati, aliens, elitists, rothschilds, reptilians, freemasons, other.
This is a paranoid version of events which deluded individuals with lots of imagination fabricate in order to feel like they are more intelligent knowing the 'truth'.
digitised 2 years ago
"it's funny, all these atheist that claim that they don't hate christians"
Thats right, I don't hate christians. And me challanging your beliefs does not make me a hater. Keep this up at any rate and you will become like those muslims who will shout "RACIST" for criticising or questioning their religion.
"teaming up against me"
Eurgh you should try going in some muslim chatrooms, they are all over me like flies when they find that I am a kuffar.
TurboDally 2 years ago
I dont believe in the new world order, unicorns, gnomes, fairies, deities, ghosts, reptilian overlords, planet nibiru, jesus, homeopathy, magic crystals... or any other completely unsubstantiated claim.
Why are you asking people to disprove god?
He was never proven in the first place, and asking us to prove a negative is a logical transgression of the highest order.
The burden of proof is on you to provide evidence of your 'positive' claim that 'your' particular god is real.
digitised 2 years ago
"All this century and most NOW. Explain you fearless Atheist Leaders. You know how the conquered?"
These are not my leaders, they do not represent me. These people had a religion revolving around themselves.
"They convinced people that there was no God and that religion was evil, much like you're doing."
So? That doesn't mean I'm a bloodsucking murderous genocidal leech hiding in the closet. I bet some of them thought theives were evil too....Damn that must mean I'm a genocidal maniac!
TurboDally 2 years ago
"Why do atheist feel the need to resort to comic book characters every time God or something that they can't prove is bought up."
The answer is already in your question. I will try using Pastafarianism instead.
"I have 5 words for you "Stalin, Hitler, Mao, North Korea, and even China today"
Hitler was not an atheist. There is also the time period you need to account for, e.g. they existed at a time where weapons of mass destruction were feasible (or weapons of easily killings).
TurboDally 2 years ago
"Of course math doesn't prove God to you. Thats because you've never bothered to search if it does."
Bring your mathematical proof then please.
"Thanks for admitting science can't explain everything, most atheist won't."
Science revolves around being honest and admitting it doesn't know everything, not one atheist I have talked to thinks of science as a "knowitall". It is however a methodology which has provided far more knowledge than any other so far.
TurboDally 2 years ago
"your god dawkins has taught you well."
I do not worship Dawkins, I do not bow, kiss his ass, or send him wares, nor would I ever kill my own son if Dawkins wanted to test my faith.
"by the way, greed is at the center of every war, no matter the cover."
Thats right, godless or not.
"name one person in this century that has said we are killing in the name of God."
Adolf Hitler.
And the belt buckles of Nazi Germany we cannot forget....Gott Mit Uns...
TurboDally 2 years ago
"billions of people don't worship a tea pot"
Nor do they kill, or purge rights of others in the glorious Teapot's name. And just because you can't disprove it, doesn't mean its not there!
"math proves there's a God"
It does no such thing.
"things happen that science can't explain"
Like science was not able to explain the thunder at the time?
"since nobody can prove that love exist"
Hm well I can't prove you exist either, maybe you are just some automated christ-o-bot...
TurboDally 2 years ago
There are more than 1 billion Christians, compared to atheists, Christians are a great majority. So you are more than welcome to bring your Christian friends to help you here if you so chose. But of course if they are smart enough they would realise that Adolf was not an atheist, he was a theist nutjob, but since when did being an atheist, or theist prevent you from being a nutjob anyway?
TurboDally 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct Okay, I can see you are angry about atheists telling you are full of crap. But look at the video you are posting to and the comments you made. Guys like atheistantidote and zkueker88 try to tell us we are responsible for the holocaust. That really pisses us off. In the future think about what you are saying and show a little respect. You throw petrol on a fire and cry because you got burned. Open your mind you might learn something.
ptango101 2 years ago
I never said that Jesus LOOKED like Hitler. Sorry, but that's just a lie. I refuse to believe that even you believe what you wrote.
As for sarcasm... Oh what's the point. Stay here all you like, call me all the names you like, think whatever you like, I can't change that. I'm done.
I wish you the best and I wish you could do the same, but you can't. NOTE, I'm not saying that CHRISTIANS can't wish me the best, I'm saying that YOU PERSONALLY are incapable of showing some kindness to me.
Peace.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct No, if you want to be taken seriously you cite your argument.The burden of proof is on you. as for the HOUR argument , you asked me to prove love. I asked you to prove an hour exists. If you can't prove an hour exists you are in trouble.
ptango101 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct Just because many believe something doesn't make it true. As for things proving god, cite your arguments. Otherwise it's just something you said. Well if we can't prove love( that's debatable) prove to me an hour exists. Taking into account you need 24 four of them for a measure of creation. If you can't prove an hour, creation fails. is that adult enough for you?
ptango101 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct I can't speak for every atheist but my standing is I don't believe in your god but I can't prove conclusively that a "god" doesn't exist. Just like you and I can't prove a tea pot orbits outside Pluto. It's very unlikely but can you absolutely prove it false? Faith is not proof of anything. By definition it is belief without proof. Don't mix religion with science in the end you just look stupid.
ptango101 2 years ago
I think it's cute that you find sarcasm and humor so offensive, yet use it readily when talking to others. That you conduct yourself with such hostility, yet continue to use the word "hatred" when describing others' feelings toward you, when everyone here has shown you annoyance at worst.
As for me needing to stop, YOU came HERE. You're still commenting on my video, and you're free to get out whenever you like, just as I politely asked you to earlier.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 years ago
Usually when I walk into a church, I see the picture of a white guy who couldn't POSSIBLY have come from the region where Jesus supposedly lived and died. Hmm, maybe Hitler had more impact than I thought.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct No, atheists and/or scientists don't know everything. There are lots of things we admit, with humility, that we just don't know. You are the one who always has the answer "god did it". I would rethink those examples. The earth does not hang on nothing, it is subject to gravitational forces that keep it in place. There you go with the circle thing again. and WOW someone observed condensation.Your willful ignorance is becoming tiresome.
ptango101 2 years ago
@ListenConfirmAct. Wow, here you are again. "look up science in the bible"???!!? Would that be the earth is a two dimensional circle or it has four corners(Proverbs 8:27,Revelation 7:1). Or that the bat was a bird(Lev. 11:13-19)
The problem you have is you NEED the bible to be scientific. This does not make it scientific.
ptango101 2 years ago
What hatred of Christians?
Saying that Hitler was a Christian is not the same as saying that he is an "example" of Christianity, it's just saying THE TRUTH. Just like saying that Stalin was an atheist isn't saying that he represents ALL atheists.
(Although I DO hear THAT correlation thrown around all the time by Christians. Just saying.)
I don't hate Christians, not even you. I think your beliefs are wrong, and that's it.
Also, the "I retreat" card? I just don't get that one. But, whatever.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 years ago
I never said anyone was pushing their beliefs on anyone. I said that religion has had its run of the media for a long time, and the rest of us are sick of it, ergo, YouTube's video demographics.
Don't like it, MAKE YOUR OWN VIDEOS! Make them well, and promote them. Then you won't need to come here and hang on my work, you can worry about your own content.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 years ago
I'm sorry, is English your first language? I'm not sure if I should comment on your spelling or grammar, but since you're calling me stupid...
As for videos here, it's based on views. Sorry, you can't force religion into YouTube the way you can TV, billboards, radio, etc.
Here, and ONLY here, people watch content based on its quality, which is reflective of religion's dwindling support in our information based era.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 years ago
Im starting to think you maybe havent read the bible, or at least you dont know it very well.
I dont know of course, but you seem to think that prophecies have been fulfilled which is a rhetoric of modern mainstream apologetics.
Im specifically referring to the old testament here because this is afterall the book where the messiahs role is carved in stone. Im starting to doubt if really know what the messiah was going to do, can you please shed some light here?
digitised 2 years ago
I love seeing the victim card get played by bullies.
You ask about hate, when you began your rant with how stupid you think others are.
I think you should just go away. Please leave.
kippmcleodtheheretic 2 years ago
I dont hate you?
But please tell me, what did the OT say the messiah would do?
I just want to make sure that you really know what is written in your holy book.
There is a bit of a short list of major prophecy which the jewish messiah was destined to fulfill.
So please give me a handful of examples and we shall see if jesus really met these requirements.
Is that ok?
digitised 2 years ago
I am happy to point out that you are factually incorrect, but when you accuse me of twisting facts to support my atheism, you imply that these things are the basis of my views.
They have nothing to do with them, and if your agenda is as shallow as associating hitler and darwin to prove some atheist/genocide/evil/etc accusation then best of luck with that, it has no bearing on my position or logical relevance to the existence or non-existence of a deity.
digitised 2 years ago
And typically when the going gets tough, people run away because they have better things to do that present evidence or rational arguments.
Yes have fun spamming other videos on this same topic.
digitised 2 years ago
I dont hate you, i just disagree with you.
What were you hoping to prove?
That darwin is the reason behind hitler?
Darwin is the ultimate atheist, whose lies and trickery are plunging the world into decay?
Seriously where are you going with this, can you cut to the chase?
Because i dont really care if Darwin was an evil atheist liar that invented an evil theory to screw the world over. I dont believe in god/s because there is no evidence, not because of evolution or any other theory.
digitised 2 years ago
The old testament says Gods word is eternal and unchanging, meaning he had no intention of making any new covenant.
You see you ignore the old testament so much, which is why you worship the messiah who failed to fulfull the OT prophecies. And if you dont know what they were, go and read the OT again.
Jesus did not show the jews the promised land, he came and gave an apocalyptic new vision, where the world would end and men would be judged.
Judaism clearly got hijacked.
digitised 2 years ago
This is not natural selection, this is nazi-eugenics.
If you do not understand the difference, then you need to go do more research.
Darwinian theory explains the origins of species through variation of genes and natural selection.
Eugenics (in the nazi form) is a pragmatic elimination of the weakest members of german society. And it was founded not on science but prejudice, since even disabled people can give birth to healthy young. It discounted science and replaced it with propaganda.
digitised 2 years ago
Normal eugenics is based on science, and focuses not on killing anybody, but isolating people who carry disease or who will likely bare children with afflictions.
It is a study to help overcome problems in our genepool by scanning for problems and trying to cure or advise against parenthood in extreme cases.
Again this is still not darwinian theory.
digitised 2 years ago
I have no predispositions other than my value of honesty.
I cannot logically be honest if i have predetermined conclusions, or bias.
By your standard he wasnt a christian, but this is purely subjective. Many christians kill and think themselves no less than devout and pious for their actions.
Genocide is permitted if it is gods will, after all he commanded it to Moses and Joshua, and no doubt you revere these me despite their actions.
digitised 2 years ago
It doesnt matter if Hitler was an athiest or catholic, what i object to is christians dumping his crimes on people like myself when such a man knowingly used religion (whether he believed or not) to enact genocide and his own racial ideology.
Hitler certainly did many things which support a faith in god, and there is very little evidence to suggest he was an atheist, although he certainly had his own ideas of what god meant to him, as does every other religious person i have encountered.
digitised 2 years ago
There is no consistency in chrisitanity, which is why there are literally thousands of denominations of this '1 true religion'.
I dont believe in gods, and i have no desire to harm other people. I pursue truth in terms of what we can objectively know, rather than what we can only believe to know.
Believe it or not i can still live a peaceful life without the fear of hell, although i do not claim that peace is in anyway what we ought strive for, since such assertions are fallacious.
digitised 2 years ago
which movie about darwinism?
digitised 2 years ago
Hitler was not an atheist... He was a Roman catholic, and was quite religious. He often ended his Reichstag speeches with a pray to the God Almighty.
THELINDGRENN 2 years ago
look at the current pope he was in the Hitle Youth! Zeig Heil mien pope!
TigerIIRT 2 years ago
So what if the Nazis wore belt buckles that say "God is with us"!!!!!!!!!!! If somebody wore a shirt that said "I am a Christian", that doesn't necessarily mean the person is, although he may be one.
The point is, if Hitler was a true Christian, he would not have killed millions of innocent Jews, let alone himself. This is just another atheist scheme to show that Christianity is the cause of all the suffering in history.
garageriffs 2 years ago
Your exactly right.
Frankcastle522 2 years ago
@garageriffs
lol but if an atheist says that america is not a christian nation you'll say "look it says in god we trust on the dollar bill" lol
Don't lie garageriffs!! oh yeah by the way I do plan on making a video about our debate of moral relativism vs divine morality.
jjason55740 2 years ago
Well, jason, even though this nation was built on a Christian foundation, this nation has turned its back on God and His commandments. Therefore, we can conclude that this is not as much of a Christian nation any more because people like you have rejected God.
(p.s. I am truely and deeply honored that you plan on making a video about our debate)lol
garageriffs 2 years ago