ive been a skin since 76 when i was 12 upstarts are the best but i also love all the ska and reggae c u at the old bell in derby 4 the upstarts sunday may 1st
Angelic Upstarts missed the fuckin plot,Liddle Towers,who the fuck was he to anyone in the uk?Solidarity?About Arthur fookin Scargill?Fookin hell,Fuckin Geordies are an embarrasment,just stick with Newcastle fc for fuck sake.
Oh shut it.Who the fuck were they anyway?Angelic Upstarts were one of them irrelevant bands that weren`t anything.How many bands come from geordie land anyway eh? ZZZZzzzzzzZZZZ Newcastle utd why eye man pet,duhhhh
So you think making political songs is what punk was all about?True music of the genre didn`t bog anyone down with that shit.Slag off he army yes,slag off the police force yes but thats as far as it went to be honest.2 million voices was like that cheesy song by Chelsea We have the right to work.
Peaceman1234567, I fail to see how you have arived at your theory on the ethos of punk. The fundamental issues behind punk was a stance against society, freedom of speach and equallity and justice for all. No one has said 'politics is what punk was all about'. So instead of ranting on about what (in your oppinion) is not true punk, why not tell us what punk songs you regard as the real punk songs. Give us your top 10 punk songs of those times.
peaceman1234567 remember in doing your list, you can not include any groups that have ever sang a political based song asw they are not real punk bands ( your rules not mine ) so that kind of rules out.. The Clash, Ruts, SLF, Adverts, x-ray spex, souixsie and the banshees, slits, slaughter and the dogs, vibrators, sham 69, sex pistols, stranglers, saints, actually I dont think you have many punk bands you can include, maybe Buzzcock ?
Top 10 punk songs of all time?ermm,well,for a start none to do with solidarity(dedicated to Arthur bald twat Scargill),or anything about Afghan Rebels or Liddle Towers lol,wtf was that about?Boring shit.We might aswell bore ourselves with ACDC.
peaceman1234567 You are not really the punk guru you claimed to be after all eh ?
It should have been a very simple task for you, but you side stepped the issue.
I did not say top ten ALL TIME punk songs, I asked you to name your top ten punk songs of 'those times'. My point being that the songs were relative to the times they were wrote, which is also 'what punk was about'
i second you on that monkey, the punk scene i grew up in was all about politics and equality, but the term 'punk' has become so broad, i guess it's about where your from and how cool the kids are you grew up with.
Yes Thatcher fooked the North East and the country now. Guns for the Afghan Rebels is very poigniant now isnt it now they are blowing the shit out of us now!!!! She was at fault for that.
Mensi still looks like Harold Steptoe tho! Even tho, I call him Eroll Flynn!
Erm,not sure you would say that if you actually lived here mate. She smashed the unions,privatised everything and fucked up the country in many peoples eyes. The Bitch!
is anyone shocked that jimmey p from sham looked after them .upstarts were from the same my bog is in the back yard class . they sang about what they saw and more import what they belived . i was one of 2 million voices .
You ask for proof and then when it is provided you say it doesn't matter.'That word' was not more accepted in the 80's. I don't remember it being more accepted. Mensi played Anti-Nazi gigs because he either changed his mind or he was just being a shithead in the interview and didn't mean what he said. Has Mensi ever retracted these statements? Let's see the proof of that.
If you agree about being white and english I suggest you join the tories, they're real punk rock types.
Youve provided a quote (not proof) Where does it come from?
There was a 1980's documentary about racism (bbc I think) Guess who the narrator was? Yes Mensi. It was on youtube but Im damned if I can find it now.
I see you live in Canada so with the greatest respect, how would know what you are talking about regarding 1) Mensi 2) Being white and English? Be honest you've never seen the Upstarts have you or you wouldn't spout such shit!
Btw user rqelling, check my latest video which I especially uploaded for you. The Angelic Upstarts singing "Leave Me Alone" Have a listen to whom Mensi dedicates it to okay?
The quotes from the 'Rising Free Fanzine' Number 3 sometime from the early 80s. There's this amazing thing called google you should use it sometime.
PS. I know it is shocking that I'm from Canada and dare to have an opinion on something. Where do I get off? Like those brown troublemakers in the Queen's true land eh? Note that I said Mensi either changed his mind or was taking a piss, not that he was an active pro-fascist.
You were insinuating Mensi was racist by your "quotes" If you were a fan of the band, surely you would know he wasn't. Theres not many who would take on a whole bunch of Nazi Skinheads at a gig but Mensi is one of the few who did.
This is going in circles. Just because I like a band's music doesn't mean I have to think they're beyond critism. That is unthinking bullshit. My 'quotes' are real and sourced, I can't post the urls in youtube comments but go to the punk77 website or just google Rising Free Fanzine Number 3. Why don't you ask Mensi why he said these things? His actions in the years since do show he is anti-nazi but don't explain what the hell he was thinking when he said these things.
Well you will be pleased to know I read the article. Yes he said some strange things I'll admit to that. Maybe he was pissed at the time eh. The same piece in punk77 states people thinking they were racist as "BOLLOCKS" I forgot about the "Smash The Front" banner too - that should tell everything about the band!
Yep, in the early days Mensi (and Mond, fort that matter) said some things, but I think you'll find, like a lot of "punk" bands at the time, this was for shock value, any disemination of the Upstarts lyrics leaves you in no doubt, this band were and are Socialists.
Totally agree with you,have been over the years:skin,punk,rudeboy,punk and now skin again.the original upstarts and the 69 both stopped because their gigs were gettin overrun by the nazis(im no lefty either!) the roots of skin is in black music FACT!, I GET A LOT OF SHIT BECAUSE IM A WHITE SKINHEAD,SO FUCK ALL YOU BIGOTS(AND THIS DOES INCLUDE THE BLACK PEOPLE TOO) learn a little history.i might look to you like a wanker but ill back you up any time!
Thanx for this. Not seen this clip before . They were great .I got a real soft spot for Mensi and rest . I can not stand thick people who spout off about matters they know f all about.
they (he) was rasict it can be found why i dunno why mensi is so aloof from his past view or drunken opinions ,either way its not the point , they look like knobs with lame mullets and cant play a note
More Mensi wisdom: "I'll tell you who I thought was a really good politician who got slagged down, and that was Enoch Powell. I don't think he was a racialist at all, he just predicted things that DID happen...The papers branded HIM as a racist...I think he should have been Prime Minister, there you are."
Anyone who knows who Enoch Powell was and about his 'Rivers of Blood' speech knows what racist crap this is.
Whatever you people say here...Angelic Upstart is one of the best Oi bands around the world, they had an unique style and Mensi's voice is like...2 million voices together, he's great. Betwise, they had a lot of Clash influence, believe it or not!.
"Mensi:...It's as if it's our fault we were born white, we should all have been born niggers. I've got nothing against niggers but I'm proud to be white. But the way things are in this country, if you're proud to be English and white you're branded as a nazi, and it's time it's stopped."
Yeah, why would people think you're a racist just because you call people niggers?
So what if he used that word. That was in the 80's and was much more accepted. Ask yourself this question - why did the Angelic Upstarts play at so many Anti-Nazi gigs back in the 80's. Also why did Mensi so often condemn the Nazi-skinheads who followed the band? Don't take my word for it (even though I saw it with my own eyes)
And anyway, what Mensi says in your quote above about being white English is spot on.
I dont think Decca Wade was around for "Still From The Heart" but I'm sure thats him on drums in this clip. Must be between the 2 albums (1981 sometime). Also, interesting to see Mensi getting fatter from their TOTP appearance a cpl of years b4. LOL. Long Live The Upstarts
SALUDOS DESDE BRASIL
CAMISA 12 - OS PERTURBADOS
mgscomics 3 weeks ago
skinheads? You're mad!!!!!!
taubi66 2 months ago
Is it me or is the drummer wearing a sunderland jersey???
elcesarin77 5 months ago
Good to see this band can still rile up the right wingers. And still they have no conception of working class unity. "Oooh Arthur Scargill, boo-hoo!"
Schniddo 6 months ago
come once again to the Polish, we are waiting for you, you're red coward
badramones 9 months ago
I painted the title on the start of this. Me and my mate and my brother. And Mensi told me at the time, he wanted nowt to do with the NF.
CarhornAshtray 10 months ago
I painted the title on the start of this. Me and my mate and my brother.
CarhornAshtray 10 months ago
anyone knows if the shirt worn by the drummer is a football top?
bonscott85 10 months ago
@bonscott85 yes its a sunderland shirt
eunicefinger 10 months ago
ive been a skin since 76 when i was 12 upstarts are the best but i also love all the ska and reggae c u at the old bell in derby 4 the upstarts sunday may 1st
thebrumtalc 1 year ago
2 people are nazis
samie0569 1 year ago
anyone who thinks they a nazi's prob think the EDL are nazi's grow up and get a brain
massive1415126 1 year ago
Oi!
bmasszi 1 year ago
THE line up! What a band. Just love it!!!
tarka1966 1 year ago
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fuck fuck fuck fuck fuck
markikirock 1 year ago
fuck naxis fuck fuck fuck sucks i lobe punk rock t casualities is good musik
markikirock 1 year ago
Punkera Хой нахуй
Sunarews108 1 year ago
Pretty good quality video! i always wanted to see them live. THANK GOD FOR YOUTIZZLE
305Punx 1 year ago
wankers.. all of you.. haha angelic upstarts are fuckin ace
funkyfunker 1 year ago
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peaceman1234567 2 years ago
@peaceman1234567 should have known another man united retard
erictheviking871 1 year ago
@erictheviking871 ha ha i love u baby
erictheviking871 1 year ago
Go Mensi...
Baconskank 2 years ago
Wow. This goes way back.
They have the Hedge hog hair style.Very boot boy. Good music though.
skinhead5 2 years ago
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507punk 2 years ago
It was dedicated to arthur Scargill,sorry,the song would go down well in Poland though.
peaceman1234567 2 years ago
Angelic Upstarts missed the fuckin plot,Liddle Towers,who the fuck was he to anyone in the uk?Solidarity?About Arthur fookin Scargill?Fookin hell,Fuckin Geordies are an embarrasment,just stick with Newcastle fc for fuck sake.
peaceman1234567 2 years ago
Even though the drummer has a Sunderland shirt on?
joedivision73 2 years ago
@peaceman1234567 u stupid cunt why r u even looking at this your an idiot u obviosley werent around and into punk in 80 81
erictheviking871 1 year ago
Oh shut it.Who the fuck were they anyway?Angelic Upstarts were one of them irrelevant bands that weren`t anything.How many bands come from geordie land anyway eh? ZZZZzzzzzzZZZZ Newcastle utd why eye man pet,duhhhh
peaceman1234567 1 year ago
peaceman is clearly struggling with old age and colour blindness, he thinks red and white is really black and white, Bless !!
skamonkey1 1 year ago
So you think making political songs is what punk was all about?True music of the genre didn`t bog anyone down with that shit.Slag off he army yes,slag off the police force yes but thats as far as it went to be honest.2 million voices was like that cheesy song by Chelsea We have the right to work.
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Thank you for your guidance Mr Punk Guru. We are all much wiser people now
skamonkey1 1 year ago
Peaceman1234567, I fail to see how you have arived at your theory on the ethos of punk. The fundamental issues behind punk was a stance against society, freedom of speach and equallity and justice for all. No one has said 'politics is what punk was all about'. So instead of ranting on about what (in your oppinion) is not true punk, why not tell us what punk songs you regard as the real punk songs. Give us your top 10 punk songs of those times.
skamonkey1 1 year ago
peaceman1234567 remember in doing your list, you can not include any groups that have ever sang a political based song asw they are not real punk bands ( your rules not mine ) so that kind of rules out.. The Clash, Ruts, SLF, Adverts, x-ray spex, souixsie and the banshees, slits, slaughter and the dogs, vibrators, sham 69, sex pistols, stranglers, saints, actually I dont think you have many punk bands you can include, maybe Buzzcock ?
skamonkey1 1 year ago
Top 10 punk songs of all time?ermm,well,for a start none to do with solidarity(dedicated to Arthur bald twat Scargill),or anything about Afghan Rebels or Liddle Towers lol,wtf was that about?Boring shit.We might aswell bore ourselves with ACDC.
peaceman1234567 1 year ago
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peaceman1234567 You are not really the punk guru you claimed to be after all eh ?
It should have been a very simple task for you, but you side stepped the issue.
I did not say top ten ALL TIME punk songs, I asked you to name your top ten punk songs of 'those times'. My point being that the songs were relative to the times they were wrote, which is also 'what punk was about'
skamonkey1 1 year ago
i second you on that monkey, the punk scene i grew up in was all about politics and equality, but the term 'punk' has become so broad, i guess it's about where your from and how cool the kids are you grew up with.
FrankBlackstock 1 year ago
now we have 5 million lay abouts,great band
deadkennedy1 2 years ago
That many lazy fools?
skinhead5 2 years ago
Strange enough, there's not that many reactions, while this number is something "right in the center"!...
Hollandia777 2 years ago
rocking
i89mondo 2 years ago
is that paul thompson on drums from roxy music?
madmexart 2 years ago
Its Decca Wade
Spadie1 2 years ago
is there video with paul thompson?
madmexart 2 years ago
What sounds like these guys today?
jghmira 2 years ago
2.4 today cu.nt
linda1tv 2 years ago
Oi! :)
BraniHC 2 years ago
this is soo unbelievably sick!!!
abuyanovski 2 years ago
buenisiimooo
rickycapito 2 years ago
theses guys look like the band XTC
wisesatyr72 2 years ago
They look fuck-all like XTC.
They're playing live on stage for a start.
brunosis 2 years ago 2
so true....no stage fright from the upstarts! haha
karmafix68 2 years ago
fucking great band
Ricer1968 2 years ago
OI! and fuck nazis !!!
majmunbezgaca 3 years ago 40
Fucking awesome!
Menace1979 3 years ago
conmigo seran 2 mill y una voz mas , viva la anarquia desde esta Colombia sometida y arrodillada...
jormadrid72 3 years ago
Yes Thatcher fooked the North East and the country now. Guns for the Afghan Rebels is very poigniant now isnt it now they are blowing the shit out of us now!!!! She was at fault for that.
Mensi still looks like Harold Steptoe tho! Even tho, I call him Eroll Flynn!
gobshite77 3 years ago
I still cant believe they want to give her a state funeral. WTF???
holeinmyshoe91 3 years ago
why the hell does the drummer have so big of a set???? i counted 6 toms or so............wtf??
parasitevirus 3 years ago
It was fashionable back then, and the bigger the drum set, the more there is to smash up.
rumpraisin 3 years ago
because that is the legendary decca wade, the best punk drummer fucking ever my friend
upstartsrus 3 years ago 4
Erm,not sure you would say that if you actually lived here mate. She smashed the unions,privatised everything and fucked up the country in many peoples eyes. The Bitch!
sham64andahalf 3 years ago 12
You either have great taste or you ARE ME 'cos every time I go into a bands' site I see your moniker. Nice one ya Dirty Fuckin Rotter!!
denpunk666mitsos 3 years ago
And it`s never recovered
:(
giantplanet 3 years ago
great music! kicks still ass after all these years....but boy, were they wrong. maggie thatcher got rid of all the unemployment and created jobs....
krullfelix 3 years ago
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cunt!!
rexferal 3 years ago
now that is an argument! wow! amazing what wit you displayed in your statement...
krullfelix 3 years ago 3
genius great point!!! (in case you couldn't figure out that was sarcasm)
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Are these guys rascist? i saw pictures of them with nazi stuff and with the guy in the comments saying he is a skinhead
jaderrockshard 3 years ago
they're redskins , communists , they f*ck rascists , don't worry , they hate nazis .
Volsem 3 years ago 2
They are skinheads. But they hate Nazis.
GrottyWanker69 3 years ago 23
@GrottyWanker69
they are Punks not skinheads
TheSteviecaldwell 5 months ago
Ke bueno!!!!
me korrooooooooooooooooooo
bestiadefoc 4 years ago
WTF are they dressed like? Job lot from TopMan
morganpenn 4 years ago
they play so damn good live
i love the upstarts
thnx for the upload ;}
neverwasapunk16 4 years ago
is anyone shocked that jimmey p from sham looked after them .upstarts were from the same my bog is in the back yard class . they sang about what they saw and more import what they belived . i was one of 2 million voices .
Davey0809 4 years ago
Not now he's just a sellout fat wanker mackem
TheZakster99 4 years ago
Great! Two million voices on the street...!
RED FLAG WILL BEAT AGAIN!
boltxebike17 4 years ago
You ask for proof and then when it is provided you say it doesn't matter.'That word' was not more accepted in the 80's. I don't remember it being more accepted. Mensi played Anti-Nazi gigs because he either changed his mind or he was just being a shithead in the interview and didn't mean what he said. Has Mensi ever retracted these statements? Let's see the proof of that.
If you agree about being white and english I suggest you join the tories, they're real punk rock types.
rgelling 4 years ago
Youve provided a quote (not proof) Where does it come from?
There was a 1980's documentary about racism (bbc I think) Guess who the narrator was? Yes Mensi. It was on youtube but Im damned if I can find it now.
I see you live in Canada so with the greatest respect, how would know what you are talking about regarding 1) Mensi 2) Being white and English? Be honest you've never seen the Upstarts have you or you wouldn't spout such shit!
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
Btw user rqelling, check my latest video which I especially uploaded for you. The Angelic Upstarts singing "Leave Me Alone" Have a listen to whom Mensi dedicates it to okay?
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
Hey Sham, thanks, I'm actually a fan of the band btw.
rgelling 4 years ago
The quotes from the 'Rising Free Fanzine' Number 3 sometime from the early 80s. There's this amazing thing called google you should use it sometime.
PS. I know it is shocking that I'm from Canada and dare to have an opinion on something. Where do I get off? Like those brown troublemakers in the Queen's true land eh? Note that I said Mensi either changed his mind or was taking a piss, not that he was an active pro-fascist.
rgelling 4 years ago
You were insinuating Mensi was racist by your "quotes" If you were a fan of the band, surely you would know he wasn't. Theres not many who would take on a whole bunch of Nazi Skinheads at a gig but Mensi is one of the few who did.
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
This is going in circles. Just because I like a band's music doesn't mean I have to think they're beyond critism. That is unthinking bullshit. My 'quotes' are real and sourced, I can't post the urls in youtube comments but go to the punk77 website or just google Rising Free Fanzine Number 3. Why don't you ask Mensi why he said these things? His actions in the years since do show he is anti-nazi but don't explain what the hell he was thinking when he said these things.
rgelling 4 years ago
Well you will be pleased to know I read the article. Yes he said some strange things I'll admit to that. Maybe he was pissed at the time eh. The same piece in punk77 states people thinking they were racist as "BOLLOCKS" I forgot about the "Smash The Front" banner too - that should tell everything about the band!
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
Yep, in the early days Mensi (and Mond, fort that matter) said some things, but I think you'll find, like a lot of "punk" bands at the time, this was for shock value, any disemination of the Upstarts lyrics leaves you in no doubt, this band were and are Socialists.
crusaderp 4 years ago
@sham64andahalf me too. usually 6 on one but they get hurt pretty bad even if I lose. fuck em, I'll fight those fuckers til i'm dead
RushNLV 1 year ago
Totally agree with you,have been over the years:skin,punk,rudeboy,punk and now skin again.the original upstarts and the 69 both stopped because their gigs were gettin overrun by the nazis(im no lefty either!) the roots of skin is in black music FACT!, I GET A LOT OF SHIT BECAUSE IM A WHITE SKINHEAD,SO FUCK ALL YOU BIGOTS(AND THIS DOES INCLUDE THE BLACK PEOPLE TOO) learn a little history.i might look to you like a wanker but ill back you up any time!
delticw12 4 years ago 2
Malcolm X ( who dressed like a bit of a rude boy) once said
"if you don't stand for something then you may as well fall for anything". Just a thought.
achtpriorideaI972 4 years ago
Thanx for this. Not seen this clip before . They were great .I got a real soft spot for Mensi and rest . I can not stand thick people who spout off about matters they know f all about.
peafaerie 4 years ago
they (he) was rasict it can be found why i dunno why mensi is so aloof from his past view or drunken opinions ,either way its not the point , they look like knobs with lame mullets and cant play a note
philquinton 4 years ago
"they (he) was rasict it can be found" Oh yea? Well c'mon then cleverclogs "find it" for us and prove the crap you are writing
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
More Mensi wisdom: "I'll tell you who I thought was a really good politician who got slagged down, and that was Enoch Powell. I don't think he was a racialist at all, he just predicted things that DID happen...The papers branded HIM as a racist...I think he should have been Prime Minister, there you are."
Anyone who knows who Enoch Powell was and about his 'Rivers of Blood' speech knows what racist crap this is.
rgelling 4 years ago
yea yea go listen to your poetry music and remember to go down up the stream not across. but phil what ever you do give your sister back her pants
cjmorton 4 years ago
Oi! Oi! For England!
aryansuperman 4 years ago
Whatever you people say here...Angelic Upstart is one of the best Oi bands around the world, they had an unique style and Mensi's voice is like...2 million voices together, he's great. Betwise, they had a lot of Clash influence, believe it or not!.
*Angelic Upstarts and Cock Sparrer, my favs.
richardxs 4 years ago
From a Yankee I have always stood behind the Angelic Upstarts!! Oi to England.
Queen1999 4 years ago
fuck jakester 360, learn the difference between rasicm and communism, damn moron
hanswursch123 4 years ago
Why does obviously intelligent, positive work like this go right over people's head by calling THE UPSTARTS rascits?...I don't get it?
rehamkram 4 years ago
Check out this interview from the early 80s:
"Mensi:...It's as if it's our fault we were born white, we should all have been born niggers. I've got nothing against niggers but I'm proud to be white. But the way things are in this country, if you're proud to be English and white you're branded as a nazi, and it's time it's stopped."
Yeah, why would people think you're a racist just because you call people niggers?
rgelling 4 years ago
So what if he used that word. That was in the 80's and was much more accepted. Ask yourself this question - why did the Angelic Upstarts play at so many Anti-Nazi gigs back in the 80's. Also why did Mensi so often condemn the Nazi-skinheads who followed the band? Don't take my word for it (even though I saw it with my own eyes)
And anyway, what Mensi says in your quote above about being white English is spot on.
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
Fuck u angelic upstarts u rasisct sons of bitches!!
jakester360 4 years ago
They are not racist you silly kunt. Get your facts right before spouting shite.
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
what do you listen to? my chemical romance?
cjmorton 4 years ago
and when i say what do you listen to? im talking to jakester
cjmorton 4 years ago
When did Mensi join the Arctic Monkeys?
merseybeast76 4 years ago
haha these are the guys who are "punk rock" enough to call out john lydon, a bunch of ramone rippers
dobolamu 4 years ago
Fucking great!
theonlytruepunk 4 years ago
still a great song,
FubarVader 4 years ago
excellent pass the bong!!!!
deadkennedy1 4 years ago
They didn't look very punk in this period did they?!
bloater999 4 years ago
Nope lol I think this was around the "Still From The Heart" LP time ( dodgy period ) but this song still sounds good despite the dress code!
sham64andahalf 4 years ago
I dont think Decca Wade was around for "Still From The Heart" but I'm sure thats him on drums in this clip. Must be between the 2 albums (1981 sometime). Also, interesting to see Mensi getting fatter from their TOTP appearance a cpl of years b4. LOL. Long Live The Upstarts
clashrocker 4 years ago
they were more of a herbert band than mohawk or bonehead oi bands
rexferal 4 years ago