You could be opening up a 3 on one. What if F3 cant pick up a high ring around boards which it will likely be and a high winger will pick up puck. F3 has a tough stop
@FoghornLeghorn7 a "high ring" is a possibility. however, that should still leave us with 2 defensemen back.
also, we instruct our defensemen to "hold the line" but not to pinch in this particular forecheck. this helps to ensure we have a guy on the line to keep any loose pucks in, but at the same time doesn't leave us vulnerable to an odd-man rush from a poorly executed pinch.
@FoghornLeghorn7 at the end of the day, any forecheck is beatable... i've see this one beat more often by having the puck-carrying defenseman skate it up the ice himself than from a ring... although i suppose a well executed ring COULD work....
bottom line, have a few forechecks in your team's arsenal. use one until the other team figures out how to beat it, then switch it up! good luck! :)
PS - make sure you check out our Q&A follow up video to this one. the link is in the description.
what if the D tries to reverse? thats a lot of ice to cover for F2 and F3 along with D1 and D2, and that leaves the strongside (in this case the side after the reverse) winger an open lane to either skate or pass to his centerman
thanks for the comment... i actually did a follow-up video to this one that addresses that question (you aren't the only one who's asked it). the link to follow-up vid is in the description for this video.
Great Videos. I like how you give many scenarios for each situation. Even though I have coached for many years, I like your approach and illustrations better than most. Very detailed and clearly illustrated. Keep up the good work.
jamiejackson91 had a similar comment (take a look at his post and my reply). I've had success doing it the way I described both as a player (at fairly high levels of play), and as a coach at younger age groups. However, that doesn't mean it's the only way it COULD work.
For example, if your "flushing" forward isn't fast enough to maintain pressure, he may indeed need to make a route adjustment (or use another forecheck altogether). Make adjustments based on your team's strengths and weaknesses
Very nice video, ive been playing for 2 seasons and this is the stuff out teams need to work on. I play C so im guessing i am f2 in this situation... out coach has always told me to pressure the puck but it feels really weird doing so... This helps me very much and i subscribed... Thanks!
thanks - it really depends on the situation, but yes, F2 will often be the centerman. as with most systems, this forecheck only works if everyone is on board... so for now, i'd recommend forechecking the way your coach is telling you to :)
These are a great set of videos Mr. Weiss, I hope you post a lot more.
Anyway, I was just asking...do you think you could post a few videos on how you put your team(s) together? like what kinda kids ya have play center, l. wing, r. wing, l. defense, r. defense, goaltender...line 1, line 2, etc...
thank you for the feedback! i like your idea for videos on the strategy of picking a team. i'll definitely try to incorporate answers to your questions into future videos.
have you visited our drills and skills blog yet? the url is in the description for this video. we have drill printouts that go with each video on the blog - you might find it useful.
You're very welcome Mr. Weiss. Yeah, I actually checked out your whole website. It's not bad, it looks like just recently put it together. Most of your videos are dated from around Xmas. Do you think you could also do videos on like how you teach someone to skate from scratch? Or how you teach someone to become a better hockey player, who has never played the game. I got a million ideas, but like not wanting to stampede your project. Anyway, good job - I do look forward to more.
yes it's a bit of a new project for me... i'm still working out some of the details. i keep a list of video requests so don't feel bad about "stampeding" me :) i plan to eventually cover all the requests. thanks again!
This is great unless the opposition's D have a good first pass, the d-man has only back side pressure and will have time to find a seam. If the breakout team has their forwards higher in the zone there will be an abundence of 3on2's, Especially a possible indirect pass to the weak side winger for the break away. F1 is basically useless chasing behind the net. If you have f1 leap frog over the net to continue puck pressure. I can see this working against a smart defense.
you're right. the best way to beat this is if your defensemen have the skill and poise to carry the puck until F2 or F3 leave their guy. as soon as one of them peels off to attack the puck carrier, that will open up at least one of the forwards.
i've found that if your F1 gets on the opposing d-man hard and fast, he can pressure him into passing to a covered man (usually the strong side winger). the reason i have him chase behind the net is to prevent a misdirection or a "reverse" pass.
i usually recommend having two or three different forechecking set-ups. when the opposing team starts dialing in on whichever one you're using, you can switch it up and make them have to adjust to the new set-up.
i've also had coaches designate different forechecking set-ups for different lines. that keeps the other team guessing too... either way, thanks for the comment!
what is the name of these program?
spatti88 1 year ago
You could be opening up a 3 on one. What if F3 cant pick up a high ring around boards which it will likely be and a high winger will pick up puck. F3 has a tough stop
FoghornLeghorn7 1 year ago
@FoghornLeghorn7 a "high ring" is a possibility. however, that should still leave us with 2 defensemen back.
also, we instruct our defensemen to "hold the line" but not to pinch in this particular forecheck. this helps to ensure we have a guy on the line to keep any loose pucks in, but at the same time doesn't leave us vulnerable to an odd-man rush from a poorly executed pinch.
weissie20 1 year ago
@FoghornLeghorn7 at the end of the day, any forecheck is beatable... i've see this one beat more often by having the puck-carrying defenseman skate it up the ice himself than from a ring... although i suppose a well executed ring COULD work....
bottom line, have a few forechecks in your team's arsenal. use one until the other team figures out how to beat it, then switch it up! good luck! :)
PS - make sure you check out our Q&A follow up video to this one. the link is in the description.
weissie20 1 year ago
@weissie20 good answer......The D staying high and alert would back stop that play as you said, or possible get the missed "high ring"...
FoghornLeghorn7 1 year ago
@FoghornLeghorn7 thanks :)
weissie20 1 year ago
what if the D tries to reverse? thats a lot of ice to cover for F2 and F3 along with D1 and D2, and that leaves the strongside (in this case the side after the reverse) winger an open lane to either skate or pass to his centerman
hatejapanesecars 2 years ago
thanks for the comment... i actually did a follow-up video to this one that addresses that question (you aren't the only one who's asked it). the link to follow-up vid is in the description for this video.
weissie20 2 years ago
Great Videos. I like how you give many scenarios for each situation. Even though I have coached for many years, I like your approach and illustrations better than most. Very detailed and clearly illustrated. Keep up the good work.
adrianjrbulldogs 2 years ago 2
Thanks!
weissie20 2 years ago
what program do you use to do all these videos?
andresm014 2 years ago
jamiejackson91 had a similar comment (take a look at his post and my reply). I've had success doing it the way I described both as a player (at fairly high levels of play), and as a coach at younger age groups. However, that doesn't mean it's the only way it COULD work.
For example, if your "flushing" forward isn't fast enough to maintain pressure, he may indeed need to make a route adjustment (or use another forecheck altogether). Make adjustments based on your team's strengths and weaknesses
weissie20 2 years ago
Also - take a look at the follow up video for this post (it answers some of the FAQ's on this forecheck). I'll post the URL in the description.
weissie20 2 years ago
Very nice video, ive been playing for 2 seasons and this is the stuff out teams need to work on. I play C so im guessing i am f2 in this situation... out coach has always told me to pressure the puck but it feels really weird doing so... This helps me very much and i subscribed... Thanks!
pitcrewsk8er2189 2 years ago
thanks - it really depends on the situation, but yes, F2 will often be the centerman. as with most systems, this forecheck only works if everyone is on board... so for now, i'd recommend forechecking the way your coach is telling you to :)
weissie20 2 years ago
wow great video! really helped me out, thanks!
buzney79 2 years ago
no problem :)
weissie20 2 years ago
These are a great set of videos Mr. Weiss, I hope you post a lot more.
Anyway, I was just asking...do you think you could post a few videos on how you put your team(s) together? like what kinda kids ya have play center, l. wing, r. wing, l. defense, r. defense, goaltender...line 1, line 2, etc...
ECWnWWF 3 years ago
thank you for the feedback! i like your idea for videos on the strategy of picking a team. i'll definitely try to incorporate answers to your questions into future videos.
have you visited our drills and skills blog yet? the url is in the description for this video. we have drill printouts that go with each video on the blog - you might find it useful.
weissie20 3 years ago
You're very welcome Mr. Weiss. Yeah, I actually checked out your whole website. It's not bad, it looks like just recently put it together. Most of your videos are dated from around Xmas. Do you think you could also do videos on like how you teach someone to skate from scratch? Or how you teach someone to become a better hockey player, who has never played the game. I got a million ideas, but like not wanting to stampede your project. Anyway, good job - I do look forward to more.
ECWnWWF 3 years ago
yes it's a bit of a new project for me... i'm still working out some of the details. i keep a list of video requests so don't feel bad about "stampeding" me :) i plan to eventually cover all the requests. thanks again!
weissie20 3 years ago
This is great unless the opposition's D have a good first pass, the d-man has only back side pressure and will have time to find a seam. If the breakout team has their forwards higher in the zone there will be an abundence of 3on2's, Especially a possible indirect pass to the weak side winger for the break away. F1 is basically useless chasing behind the net. If you have f1 leap frog over the net to continue puck pressure. I can see this working against a smart defense.
jamiejackson91 3 years ago
you're right. the best way to beat this is if your defensemen have the skill and poise to carry the puck until F2 or F3 leave their guy. as soon as one of them peels off to attack the puck carrier, that will open up at least one of the forwards.
i've found that if your F1 gets on the opposing d-man hard and fast, he can pressure him into passing to a covered man (usually the strong side winger). the reason i have him chase behind the net is to prevent a misdirection or a "reverse" pass.
weissie20 3 years ago
i usually recommend having two or three different forechecking set-ups. when the opposing team starts dialing in on whichever one you're using, you can switch it up and make them have to adjust to the new set-up.
i've also had coaches designate different forechecking set-ups for different lines. that keeps the other team guessing too... either way, thanks for the comment!
weissie20 3 years ago
Ya, this works REALLY well if your team has the discipline to execute... And it generates a lot of offense in the process!
weissie20 3 years ago
And I thought the 1-2-2 was only for defensive purposes, this is great.
limepinekiwis 3 years ago 2