@MrCruer E o superman pode viver fora do planeta terra pois ele não é humano, já o goku não pode pois ele precisa respirar oxigenio. a força do superman é infinita e a do goku tem limite , a fusão por exemplo tem limite de tempo.
This is not realistic lol, everyone knows that Goku and Superman fights for good and would never fight each other unless they were roommates and Goku stole the sugar
everyone in dbz have strength. World tournaments is a good examples. Goku can read minds ( he reads krillin mind when he arives on namek, brolly went through son and by now goku should be able to. and a cheater ( either steals others or natual energy, eat magical beans, pass the fight to someone elso or uses magic balls.
Both goku and super do die so neither are unbeatable
Cons: no instant power ups, cant breathe in space or hold breath for ever
i like to add its two worlds and either cant win. Superman pros: heat resistance, run so fast go back in time ( Maybe speed of light or faster ) super man has strength of 100 trillion people, hold breath for ever and punch a hole in the galaxy. pros: Weekend by a rock
Goku Pros: Way faster than the speed the light at least by 100 ( Ratiz fight )
Beat a guy half way through the series that destroyed a whole galaxy ( Brolly ) Cant compare earth people to dbz normal people.
@SymphonyStainedRed at what time though, goku in base form at the end of GT is stronger than Goku in super saiyan 2 during the beginning of the majin buu saga
Superman is stronger and faster then Goku plus he doesnt need to powerup but Goku is by far the better fighter and if he focuses up energy attacks vs hand to hand he might stand a chance
@Mr123HC How? Superman has had training from bats in fighting, he is strong enough to move moons, can fly through suns, and can move at speeds closing in on the speed of light plus there is no 30mins of screaming to power up.
@hazmat32 goku can move faster than the speed of light, instant transmission is instantaneous, also martial arts wise, goku far suprasses batman's training (master roshi alone is a better martial artist), goku could easily move a moon, not to mention destroy one with the mere flick of the wrist, i'm not sure if goku's body can survive the sun's heat, but unless theyre fighting on the sun, i don't think thatll help superman much
@ryancampos137 Ill admit energy wise Goku has the advantage but where is the proof that Goku can move a moon? Superman is capable of lifting 800,000 tons (725,748 metric tons)) according to DC so Im thinking Supes still has the strength advantage and speedwise Ill say they are close because I.T. levels the field a bit
@hazmat32 ok so i found out that Goku doesnt even need IT to be faster than superman, Raditz succesfully dodges an attack that moves at the speed of light (special beam cannon) and we can all agree that Goku is MUCH faster than raditz, also if you do the math, we know Goku can at least lift 128 million tons at super saiyan 4, he can lift 800,000 tons at just super saiyan 1
@hazmat32 I think there both strong but goku is stronger I mean after Superman has never fought much villains who can actually fight at the speed of light instead of merely traveling. 30 minutes is sort of exagerrating later on he can go ssj 1 2 and 3 at the speed of a button press have to agree with the others.
Lastly because you invalidated yourself and I am so done with you. This is about Goku and SUperman. So please relate what the hell saying back to the orignal TOPIC. IF NOT YOU CAN'T DEBATE. so stop talking about debating and learn it. You should like a hoe, because I know one that writing and reasons just like you, she uses the word debate alot when arguing and yes, sadly she is a hoe. Please lift yourself up and go learn about what your talking about.
I actually apologize, This is silly. You actually got me upset and that is my bad. I congratulate you I have heard many things like Goku can destroy the universe with a flick of hand and sweat shops are healthy and good for kids, etc. However you state things and have little to no support you do not back up what your saying and its so epically devoid of sound logics, you don't even address points, you do not address your own contradictions. You even don't know your own quotes.
I just read your comment. I will direct you to a like to a youtube video that has a list of superman feats. Type in Youtube "Superman's feats First Part" the video is uploaded by "ShadowHunter31". He also has a part 2. This feats not the ones I am describing still list superman powers I am talking about, like speed on par with flash, faster mind than flash, strength far beyond tv shows and what people believe.
@Ryukikon i'm kinda done with you mn. it seems you don't understand what i'm saying and you don't understand me.You don't even attempt to understanmd what i'm saying nd continue to confuse me more I'm done.
Thanks, That really means alot to me. I got alot of comments from you afterwards so I thought this link would explain so I don't have to talk to you anymore. I am very happy with that thought that I will not have to read any more messages in my mail list from you so. Thanks
So again, I am sorry I should not have allow myself to get upset. Out of the sr8 trolling I have heard, I give you a nod of respect for skill. No offense please you google to look up statements you have never heard. Its called research they use it in debates, any thing less when you use word is a trolling. I say this because seriously you might have or already have kids and I would like to to atleast make sense. I have more than said everything I need to say to you.
I already gave directions etc to back what I am saying to people on Goku VS Superman Part 1. I directed them to a comic forum like comicvine where they have tons of scans. You can go to Part 1 and much of what I am saying will apply. Also use google it is your friend.
Ive read your post, and you still haven't convinced anyone how superman is superior to goku in the mids of a fight.
In fighting intelligence Goku vastly surpasses superman and that is what matters.
Supes has trouble with superior h2h fighters. Its one of his trademarks, it is seen a lot in his friendly rivalry with Wonder Woman. And Superman simply cannot fight at the high sustained speeds of Goku. Sups is strong,but what is the fighting applications of all that strength?
Re-read what i said and GOOGLE it. Type in CIS, Character induced Stupidity and read the websites that talk about that and plot induced stupity. You can post any references you want, support your material that would a BIG PLUS. However I honestly it will fall short, I wrote back because you retorted with a logical statement. I have enough material on this vid and the first(part 1) and I talked to you enough(take out the upset part) to cover most rebuttals about Goku and Superman
also grammar, I cut that because limited space(WOW). NOw since your brain is so slow you do not understand how superbrains conceptual operate(function). " Cosmic entity have god like power". See, They define GODS in D.C, in the work, okay, so you are off. You are making things up. the Omega effect is Cosmic, WTF. " flash comment that flash has a lack of memory" When did say this. Again making stuff up. Like I can point this out for hours. You confuse yourself.
@Ryukikon what are you talking about. I never said any of that"the Omega effect is Cosmic, WTF. " flash comment that flash has a lack of memory" are we even reading the same comments?
R3 "When you are discussing comics logic can barely apply seeing as we are discussing an alien who has the power to move planets and acheive light speed." from you. Why are you then arguing, this is what I'm talking about. You say stupid stuff, contradictory things like every comment. Again you in logics can do this as long as you are sticking to the physics on said universe. You have clearly shown that is hard for you to understand. You are an IDIOT, that want attention
@Ryukikon There are barely any said laws on that universe that we as humans can comprehend.For attention,REALLY?Are you serious.Dude it seems YOU have never debated with anyone before.
@Ryukikon I don't even have a clue what we are aruging about you just replied to me with statements that contradicted mine and i threw a rebut.Is this Goku vs Superman or wat?
You have never been in a debate outside of this one where you have discussed with any knoweledgable person about any character in any work seriously and not have heard or used the term or concept of CIS. I did not make up, that is conventionaly term used on forums, Your the debating Genius(Idiot).
@Ryukikon Are you kidding me?I debate all the time on the comic vine and KMC forums and have never heard of CIS since Iwas probablly debating with people with alot more sense than you.
@DjangoEX and here you go insulting me again when you say this is a debate not a fight. In a debate you don't go and throw insults you actually just debate the topic.
You have invalidated yourself. You have proven that you do not know enough about the characters, D.C, DB and even critical thinking. You do not know how to debate, argue only fight. Please if you have watched DBZ and Some DB shut up. IF you have only been reading superman since 96 shut up, You don't know what your talking about. Again you do not address the majority of the statements. I address yours that is atleast how an argument works, which is where debates come from Learn it
@Ryukikon You can't even quote when i don't know what I'm talking about all you do is insult and you say I'm the one fighting?I'm debating and you keep trying to insult me .
uh oh - superman vs goku. Well if I understand the explanation I got long ago about who precrisis superman is then. I have to say superman would win(even against ssj4 goku or gogeta) if it was a battle of strength. Otherwise it could go either way because superman's weak to kryptonite or red sun exposure(goku has instant transmition). I think KabitoKai could possibly win against superman since he can summon metal and probably anything else. But then again pc superman overcomes almost anything.
It's sort of difficult to compare these two... Superman seems to have a comparatively consistent power level, but Gokus grows so insanely fast throughout the series. If it were Goku at the end of the DBZ series vs Superman, there's no doubt Goku would win... He can blow up galaxies >.>
It is not difficult to compare the two at all. IF you have read the comics for a bit or read enough wiki and battles you will understand that Superman power is always getting stronger. Superman fears power and uses his Super intelligence to make it seem the same. He is also developing new powers as he ages however he does his best to minimize this affect as he fears more power. Goku has never blow up a galaxy, I would like to see this in the manga or show.
In the movie, "Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan", King Kai becomes aware of some disturbance in the southern galaxy, you get to see a visualization of the galaxy disappearing bit by bit as Brolly destroys it. By the end of GT Goku becomes much stronger than Brolly was back way back then.
Also, in the series, Gotenks, a character who is much, much weaker than Goku travels around the earth 9 times in 4 seasons, that's 225,000 miles all up.
I have gone over this in part 1 of this Goku vs superman vid and other people have gone over the Broly galaxy busting myth. Broly does not destroy a Galaxy adn he does not do it in one go. Also Broly is not canon as it is a movie and GT is not Canon as well. Also Gotenk was stronger than Goku, I have heard these claims before and they are not true. I will say that I use to be a mega Geek for DB universe when I was a kid so I don't mind going to nerd moments.
First off, I am telling everyone, I think Superman is faster and physically stronger, obviously Goku wins in the spiritual department (ki). But the ability to, lets say, run faster than your opponent doesn't mean you're Faster in a fight. Not even close!! Reflex, technique and thinking on your feet is something Goku has way over the man of steel. Not to say Superman doesn't have them, but that Goku is far superior in them.
Also Goku does not get any where close to the speed of light. I will explain in dragon ball a slight power boost can allow the opponent to become totally beyond the others recongition in speed. Example If I am moving 620mph and you power up and move 800mph by dragon ball logic I will not be able to see you. I have to trust my fighting instincts, etc. If you power up and Now move at 950mph I will be epically getting raped beyond anything.
p2 This and Gokus ability to sense energy means he will always be able to tell where his opponent is! Strength is also, in a fight, measured not in your physical power, but you're ability to manipulate your own and, in some martial arts like Judo, your opponents. Goku is a martial arts master in just about every form. He sees it and learns it instantly! No need for reference to this ability, but for the sake of argument, when Goku first learns the Kamehameha.
Okay then next is the myth about instant transmission(covered this in part 1) which has tons of flaws and works as a teleport or conversion to particles to move at or close to LS. Superman can see all forms of engery, even Ki and he can catch atom(see sub atomic particles) he can slice them with his vison powers. So Goku dies, I can go on about how he would own instant transmission because there are many, many, many ways.
A argument ender I once saw was that Superman could simply lift Goku into space and hold on till he dies. Obviously, any Dragonball Z fan knows that Goku can use instant transmission to get away. And that he doesn't need to put his hands to his forehead to do it, unless he wants to be precise over a long distance. Example, when fighting Cell, Goku is floating above Cell, on the verge of the last syllable for the Kamehameha, then teleports below him and blows him away.
DB and DBZ gods are not the same like gods in D.C, The gods in DB are not really gods. Like Picclo is a GOD but we know that piccolo is not really a god. Also the Kai's are not really gods(more like piccolo). In D.C the actually have GODS, that have insane powers that the DB gods would really go nuts for. The actual most godly characters in DB are the Dragons(from balls) and Majin Buu, they come the closest to D.C or Marvel GODS.
Sorry, I'm a little too embarrassed arguing this, I usually laugh at people who do this. xD
But I will answer the short amount I read, Goku uses his IT to travel around the southern galaxy, planet to planet, and if he goes to the Kai's planet first, he can IT to anywhere in the universe.
Superman is a walking deus ex machina. It's a cop-out to say, "oh, he lets them hit him", no that's not the case, it's that the writers don't care about consistency
LOL, Look Superman is a giant cop-out cheap character. Akira the creator of DB/DBZ loves superman and did not want the superman effect to happen to his characters he wanted to end DBZ at the end of Freeza on Namek. The company forced him to go on. Goku teleports so in a sense yes, but he has to see where he is going, know the route or detect the life energy to go there(logic problems and solutions with teleporting).
p2 9 meaning he will definitely get a 50 time power increase when he transforms into Super Saiyan 1. Then the rest is just gravy, A lightning bolt moves at roughly half the speed of light. At a power level of 150,000,000, Goku can move 288,461 (roughly) times faster than light. That's not speculation, that's simple mathematics. So, combine this with the strength level in the above segment, imagine how fast he is now? IN A FIGHT. Which is what he specialises in,
Goku can absorb its energy, as I've stated in my other post.
I will give techniques Goku can use to deal heavy blows in combat. The Afterimage technique, which allows him to leave images of himself (blurred for the viewers). As Superman can't sense ki, so Goku could deal a critical blow while Superman is wondering which Gokus the real one and The Solar Flare, which blinds the enemy temporarily.
Look superman and this is a fact moves faster than teleportation, I know its paradoxical but he does. He has moved faster that the JLA powered by GL moving through a boom tube(teleport device). GL moves FTL, To the core of the planet. Superman just owned some people in space talked to GL(wireless) and then moved so fast from deep space to the earth and then drilled to the core of the planet and still beat the JLA teleporting. He also was not tired.
But, I will play every angle. Lets say Superman is too strong and Goku can't harm him. You acknowledge the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb), but criticise it because of the time it takes to make. But, by the end of GT, Gokus mastery of the Spirit Bomb allows him to make one in a couple of minutes, that comprises of all the energy in the Universe. But to do it in battle is not impossible. Goku has Instant Transmission that allows him to move instantly by thinking of were he wants to go
With these reasons, I believe Superman would lose to Goku in a fight. He has so much power and an near infinite amount when the need is called upon. I call my opponent to challenge a man who can travel across dimensions within seconds, summon all the power in the universe in minutes, is the greatest martial artist ever and can still be the coolest, funniest pimp ever.
I am sorry but Superman is a silly limitless character which should have never been made. He doesn't show it but he has a superbrain and perfect memory. He remembers all fighting techniques, numbers, languages, everything you said and did he remembers it. Every good memory and bad memory he remembers it. He operates in a time zone simillar to the flash. The cartoon is not a good example as they nerf the character like the comics alot to give the cast(JLA) some use.
Like many of Gokus techniques, it seems to increase in power as he does, as evident in episode 188 ‘A Hero's Farewell', as Goku transports within mere seconds to the Other world.
With this technique, Goku can go anywhere, charge the attack, and come back and blow Supes away. Also, while using this technique, Goku has incredible damage resistance, as he takes a direct blow from Omega Shenrons ultimate attack without a scratch. Alternatively,
last wheter you choose to accept it or not does not change facts. Superman is a Deus Ex Machina, Take Goku who is inspired by Superman and Journey west and let that story have gone on for 60+ years and then you would have a walking Deus Ex Machina to the level of Superman. Superman comics don't even sell alot because he is so silly with powers. You can't even use an alien with superbrain like that think of it as a human. People do. I should seriously be training right now
@Ryukikon superman comics don't sell alot? LOL no stop pulling things out of your ass. Superman's villians constantlly give him a run for his money and usually he needs backup,even for some of his human villians. He never wins easily but its not like he's gonna be like goku and die 10 times and get resurrected.
I lol at alot of the ridiculous statement I read in this vid comment section but ever now and then I read a comment that I find truly frighten because of the level of fallacy employed. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are seriously pulling things from your ass. Superman Comics are not selling like they use to. Sales have been dropping for superman for a long time however he is still and important character that people want and like.
The fact that people like him and value him does not necessarly mean that he will have the best sales or be as good as he was. Example, I will use pop Lets say Jay Z sales drop on every new album he drops and people complain that Drake is everywhere too much and his sales drop. THat doesn't mean that people do like them it just means that market wise people may have become saturated with them. Also it does not mean that they are the best or does it mean they can't sell anymore
Also superman's villians may incur superman to struggle however that does not men that superman cannot easily win, That is apart of the Superman Complex. Example I posed before with Goku and Chi Chi. Goku clearly struggles with Chi Chi and needs back up and she is like almost normal compared to Goku and Co powers. Also have you watched Db to DBZ. Goku Struggles with lots of foes, then he can infact defeat in and instant. THat does not mean the foes are Goku Strong.
@Ryukikon are you fuckin kidding me?LMFAO.You take time to right wat like 4 full comments and they end up being bullshit.From what source did you see that superman comics have not been selling well,I base my facts on the overall DC profits.Goku and CHiChi LOL.Dude get out. Even at the end of DB goku did not have any problem beating chi chi in the tournement.Do you even read superman comics?You obviously don't.I 've watched all of DBZ and some of DB.If you want to start a real debate
Now dude, when you argue with someone(not fight) a solid part of that is logic. You conviently like many people skip over(not counter, not dispel, not retort) the logical concepts I present. Also you are basing overall D.C sales on the sales of SUperman for doing well. ARE YOU SERIOUS. THis is what I mean you don't get logics, you contradict conceptually yourself. I can point alot more and their not typo's but I'm gonna leave it alone. WOW, logical FAIL
@Ryukikon research the sources.Superman rarely fights cosmic enemys himself let alone in his actually run of comics. His brain does process things faster than humans but like the flash(whose brain processes things at a much faster rate than supes)you have to actually have knowledge for it to be of much use.I'm not saying superman does not have knowledge I'm saying that his knowledge does n't compare to batman and luthors.
Illusions may look real and can feel real but that does equal real. I agree that superman does have some foes that he can have geninue trouble with however these Foes have abilities that are GOD like, Cosmic in nature. However still most of these foes would lose very quickly to a fully lethally Serious, no holding back, esp no CIS Superman. His Powers are too high in every area. He thinks about more things in one second that Luther or batman does in a lifetime. Superbrain
Understanding just the powers of a superbrain would make you understand that the intellectual struggles with Lex, etc are illusions. Even again at with normal intelligent if every sec was like a 1000yrs and you played chess you would be able to beat the best chess master with basic chess skills or logic. THis is really simple to understand. You add in superman's powers and it is over. Your understanding over CIS and suspense is a serious problem.
@Ryukikon Illusions?LMFAO. Dude you can't just assume shit then try to make it a fact.If this is never shown in the comics than its not canon aka its bullshit.Thats like saying since goku beat kid buu he is a galaxy buster LOL.We are not using logic in a comic debate we use feats not assumptions.Once again it seems you have never picked up 1 superman comic in your life.6 useless comments LOL.
Danjo, I rarely say this to anyone but your probably really stupid. I have watched DB and DBZ(JP and ENG), many times to completion, I actually read the mangas, What I am talking about from Superman is Comics. If you do not now that much about superman you shouldn't about the character. Your retort with CHi was just stupid, like your statements which are so retard and full of so many holes they somehow float on water.
@Ryukikon Who the fuck is danjo.Can you seriously not read or are you using google translate or what? I shouldn't about the character?I'm going to let you retype this comment because iseriously don't understand what your trying to say.
I do not care to get your name even right. THe comment is direct at you, I am talking at you. The name is spelt not that far off from your name. The human brain has the capacity to correct and reorganize into a logical framewark or pattern. This is ability is retard in you. Please do not talk about Grammer, okay. You make enough mistakes with that. THat is why I mentioned concepts, see that is why you need a critical thinking class.
I have discussed Superman with people far more knowledge than you because you must have recently started read superman. Go back through Superman to present to Character a character scope. Okay, cause clearly don't understand writing and CIS. Goku beat Chi in a tournament easily, you didn't even get what I was saying because your so slow. I rarely insult people gosh, your just slow. You live and fallacy because you can't process logic.
@Ryukikon I've been reading superman since 96'.CIS does not exist CIS is bullshit,something you pulled out of your shit filled ass. In debates you go by comic canon(it seems you lack debate experiance also) and feats from the comic.Maybe I didn't understand what you were saying because your grammer is pretty bad.Explain it again. When you are discussing comics logic can barely apply seeing as we are discussing an alien who has the power to move planets and acheive light speed.
Superman has perfect memory unlike the flash big difference. THe flash does not process things in his brain as fast as superman(WOW that's basic). FOr the flash it is like the chess master example, I used that so your can see the logic. SUperman has that perception plus a superbrain. He see's energy, the flash doesn't, he see atoms and sub-atomic particles, the flash doesn't. He has fought aliens, luthor and has access to kryptonian technology. WOW, He see into the tech.
@Ryukikon I said flash has a faster brain process.Flash's brain is like having a quad core processor with an intergrated graphics card while supermans would be like having aTriple core processor with a GTS 450(if you can even comprehend that).Seriosuly it seems you have never read a DC comic in your life
wow, even with a normal brain and superspeed preception plus the vision powers he would still learn it, much less a superbrain with perfect memory. CIS, superman doesn't wear a lead suit, or use tech that exist to minize any weakness or amplfy power, why CIS. THat doesn't mean he can't do it, its not in his ability to do it. It is do because of CIS and he would be even more powerful. "You actually have to knowledge", wow. You need a science and critical thinking class.
@Ryukikon Where has it shown in any flash comment that flash has a lack of memory?Once again CIS is complete bullshit.You can't just assume that someone can do something when ur trying to use your shit logic.You want to use science and critical thinking in a comic book?Dude seriously just gtfo.
what your saying amounts to Goku can't use a space or a suit because in DBZ hardly uses it and the eps I saw he never did. That's stupid, okay that's just CIS, like why they never for Immortality on the Dragon balls. Now, back to powers that is external, I am talking naturally about internal things to the character base abilities. Superman fights cosmic foes(DUH), Superman is a cosmic level character(DUH). Again take classes and study hard. Stop wiki it helps but not for thinking
@Ryukikon Superman barely fights cosmic enemys alone(why do i have to repeat myself). Superman is not a cosmic entity. Cosmic entity have god like power that can stomp superman in about 2 secs flat.The spectre is a cosmic entity,Bat-mite is a cosmic entity,Imperiax is a cosmic entity all these people could kill superman in 2 seconds,
Oh, in case you did not know or understand CIS is not CIS as in CIS miami. It means Character Induced Stupidity. Just because superman doesn't do it does mean that he can't given that these are powers it is literally stated he has and he has demonstrated in a related area the ability to do such things in repetition under the physics of his universe. The stronger the Characters are the more they usaully suffer from CIS.
First off, strength wise, at a level of 10, Goku has been able to lift small cars over his head and throw them, see Dragonball episode 1. Now, according to this dbzwarriors website, Super Saiyan Goku has a power level of 150,000,000. I implore you to focus on the from the Daizenshu, note ( Akira Toriyama said the anime was
cannon) I can provide you with proof, let let me know when you wanna see them.
Remember in DB they do not keep up the speed they do Speed Burst. If they keep it up they run out of Ki alot faster. Also the idea that superman is slow is insane, I have fanboys agree that superman can sense and move at FTL but then say that superman is slow and get tagged. I will go into this with some logic because there is a deep fallacy running here. I would like to add here that I am logical about the characters I do not really like superman(disclaimer)
Next, speed. From the episode 127. Quicker Than Lightning, Goku is able to dodge a lightning bolt at a Power Level of 260, use earlier reference for proof. Using the last point, imagine how fast he is by the end. Now, I usually save this ‘till last, but I'll say it now. In the Movie Super Android 13! Goku defeats Android 13 by creating a Spirit Bomb and absorbing the energy with all the energy on Earth. If you debate whether or not it was all the power on Earth.
Superman can go into the sun's core. No known material in the universe can hurt superman. He is invurnable, additionally he has perfect memory and super calcuation(12th level intellect), He is also capable of Superspeed(LS to FTL) with or without flying. Now Goku may not fly all the time when he is around the house, Chi CHi may tag Goku, that does not mean Chi Chi is as fast as Goku or Goku is slow. It just means that Goku allows Chi Chi to tag and boss him around.
will only hurt your argument. Now, by the end of DBGT, overseen and approved by Akira Toriyama, Goku makes a Spirit Bomb to defeat Omega Shenron out of all the energy in the Universe. Now, the Spirit Bomb doesn't work on those who are pure of heart. Whether Superman is pure of heart is a debate for another time. Lets say he is, then Goku could absorb the energy and use it as his own. His power would be unlike anything ever seen.
Superman has and other characters have, the GODs of D.C and the Writers for generations have stated that superman is always holding his power back and using super calculation to make sure he always hits his enemies hard enough and moves only fast enough to not destory the enviroment. THe flash who moves simillar speeds is not invulnerable so he has to dodge enemies attacks. Superman does not he has a choice as only a very small group of people can actually hurt him.
This wouldn't be necessary as Gokus power would be more than enough to deal with Superman. I have only seen how fast superman is "outside" a fight, which is, how I've stated, irrelevant in a fight, as training to fight faster is completely different to training to running faster. superman has good reflexes, but aren't near the level of Goku. Some of the scans show Supermans incredible durability,( goku was stated to have planet plus durability)
you also have to keep in mind that like the flash 1 sec for use is like a 1000yrs for them. Plus unlike the flash he has a super brain(which can out think a cosmic computer that has absorbed all the information in a universe). So yeah, when he chooses to get hit that is his choice. However if he does not want to get hit very few people in the universe can touch him. Much like Goku letting Chi Chi hit, scream and grab him. Its a choice maybe not the best to you but a choice
Now, for the final counterattack. Despite having shown Gokus strength, I will now go into irrefutable proof. Near the end of Dragonball GT, Goku gets sent into Hell. There he fights Frieza and Cell. Now, Cell when he was killed had roughly the same power level as a Super Saiyan 2. Goku is able to dispatch of him within seconds, albeit, it being Hell, he returns to ‘life' right after. That means, Goku is easily as powerful as a Super Saiyan 2 in his base form,
Ultimately it's a silly but fun debate for nerds like us, but there's nothing conclusive we can draw, there's far too many unknowns. If I had to put my money on someone though, I'd put it on Goku... I've always hated how ludicrously powerful the characters became in Z and GT, nothing short of Gods... Actually, they're much stronger than the Gods ( the kais ) of Goku's universe.
I much prefer Dragonball, where the characters strength was a little more relateable :P
Now I will further comment if you can provide proof withing canon of what you are saying but no Character in Canon has done what you claim Goku can do. If goku can't move FTL and Superman can see FTL, Goku may move fast to the human eye but other Z fighters can keep up with sight. To superman who SEE's FTL and senses FTL he would be moving in super super slow motion. Any thx, remember now support what your saying with evidence in canon.
I feel absolutely ridiculous debating this, but I suppose it's fun, in a weird way.
Goku also uses Instant Transmition to teleport around the universe and even to other demensions during the movies and series. Goku probably isn't faster than light, but we can reasonably assume he gets close, seeing as ludicrously powerful he gets. Not to mention superman is seen getting a run for his money by slow enemies, so speed isn't everything.
Also, supermans powers are used inconsistently in the movies, comics and cartoons, when they need him to be weak enough for someone to hurt him, he is, and then other times he's sneezing and destroying an entire solar system ( this actually happens! )
Why would they be fighting anyways? Superman is a big blue boyscout and Goku is an embodiment of naive, pure-hearted goodness who primarily fights out of the joy of fighting. And who would win really depends on which version of either character you're talking about. Silver Age Superman was near invulnerable and could push planets around with ease, while Goku's power grew to truly ridiculous heights throughout the series, to the point where he could detonate planets without breaking a sweat.
Curse the character limit haha. Anyways it came down the way they fight. If its to the death Goku would win since his Saiyan blood is just cruel genetically lol. Goku is well know to use opponents weaknesses in life or death cases or strait up do it fast and not even time wasting. Superman will hold back no matter what unless he back to the absolute corner, that being said some comics tells Sups strait on no mercy but those were written by bad writters. In the end depends on you the fans.
Been done so many times. I personally think Superman would win. I mean, he held black holes in the palm of his hand, has created suns to feed to a Suneater, blown a solar system back into place, survived omega beams, flown so fast as to break the laws of time and space. Goku is as about as badass as anime gets, but the facts show that pre-crisis Superman would be able to beat him, even in SSJ4. Hell, pre-crisis superman is out of control even in the context of comic books.
@ZacharyRobertson70 Really even SSJ4 can't beat him please. By turning to SSJ3 he already bend space points to the sky when Goku transforming to SSJ3. Pre-crisis Sups did all of that what you typed it is true but in the end it came down to fighting capabilities and raw power. Just so you know SSJ4 broke a magic curse I would like to see Sups do that.
@coldskin1 no at exactly Superman would still retain his power as long he charge himself with yellow sun light it takes weeks away from yellow sun lights to drain all his power. In DB hell there no sun or red sun so Sups will not get weaker the second he there.
Superman doesn't need a yellow sun to charge his power fact, it just charges if the fastest and the best. He can absorb electro-magnetic energy, geothermal engery, etc. He does this far slower than he does with yellow sun, its one of his abilities that comes in to play very rarely but it does shown up every now and then with many different versions of superman. Also Superman can see atoms and cut them literally or break atomic bonds with his eye vision(beam powers)
@Ryukikon Yeah I know all that but the common fact his power came from yellow sun light. He can absorb any kind of kinetic and convert it to strength at best. But that also his actual weakness. When I said common fact I meant is as normal comic nerd like me that don't dig in DC matter much only know that far and never go beyond that.
dude to be honest, I hate Superman. However I try to be fair, however it baffles my mind how anyone can even logically conclude that Goku can win. I mean you don't really have to even be hard into comics cause I stopped that years ago but wow, I simple logic when someone moves at supersonic speed and someone else moves at the speed of light the forces it takes to generate those speeds and withstand the impacts without any sign of trouble, I mean WOW, it baffles me
@Ryukikon well that how comics are they the play things for the mind it gave us imagination. Then again I would like to see a cross over where Sups and Goku team up more then they killing each other. To be fair I'm more bias toward Goku because he an interesting character that I see from child to adulthood. He's evolved and yet Superman stayed the same for years in many incarnations of comics(the good ones anyways).
Goku can't top Supes feats and I am not even using good ones because of the 500 limit. They have forums that discuss supe's with pics and comic issues and pages for what for proof. THe dude can survive supernova's, etc. I mean can do Gurren Lagan type things(near end of show), like bring some back to big bang theorically. Goku speed doesn't even begin to match it both went fully seriously to the death absolutely no holding back.
In all fairness They would team up, Goku is inspired by supes. Superman is an incredibly deep character however he is so powerful he is boring so they make him do incredbly stupid things because his power is so ridiculous its not interesting. Supes pretends to struggle, Goku actually struggles that's way Superman is like the worse Character ever and lesson to never make a characte that stupid strong that they kill your franchise and make every story you make in universe nonsense
In all fairness They would team up, Goku is inspired by supes. Superman is an incredibly deep character however he is so powerful he is boring so they make him do incredbly stupid things because his power is so ridiculous its not interesting. Supes pretends to struggle, Goku actually struggles that's way Superman is like the worse Character ever and lesson to never make a characte that stupid strong that they kill your franchise and make every story you make in universe nonsense
A goku and supes combo would be killing still, however Goku would take the lead cause superman is a punk b@$h. You know both are like oppose Superman is a B#$h and afraid gaining more power(his greatest weakness) Goku always wants more power and is not afraid(his strength). Just noticed that, yet another reason why Superman character wise loses cool points to Goku.
@Ryukikon goku would win.. goku can go the speed of light too.. but he can also blow up a planet by blinking.. when he had a power level of under 100 he was bullet proof, in fact he dodged bullets like they were nothing.. now that hes literally over 10 million times stronger than that what makes you think superman can win?
@IHaveReallyGottaSHIT Goku can't go the speed of light... There's no one ever makes a claim like that in Dragonball. His fastest technique is Instant Transmission, a non-combat teleportation skill.
@IHaveReallyGottaSHIT Dragonball has never been good at quantifying speed or even demonstrating speed over particularly significant distances. The most we get is flying around the world from the likes of kid Trunks who takes a while to do it. Meanwhile All star Supes traveled like 9 light years (Faster Than Light) while Lois is casually chatting. Mainstream comics have even more ridiculous feats. Goku simply doesn't come close by word of mouth (of characters) or by feats
Okay, I am just going to respectfully responsed. Goku has never destoryed a planet by blinking get me canon evidence and I will then agree with you. I have no idea what you are talking about, if it is durability then we can discuss but you are speculating at the end and not providing fact. For Durability evidence Goku can't survive in magma without special equipment or a shield, superman can. THat ends that. Think what you will but facts don't need peoples feelings.
lol dude most verison of superman would own, Goku had trouble lifting a school bus and like a 10 ton slab when he was fighting one of the Dark Dragons in non-cannon GT. Additional, he needs a shield to even go into just lava. The thing I think people get confused about is flash. Goku is flash, DBZ is flashy but flashy doesnt mean stronger. The only anime people that might stand a chance of winning is the Gurren Lagan squad.
no puedes comparar a goku con superman, gogu con un dedo pued destruir la tierra
MrCruer 19 hours ago
@MrCruer E o superman pode viver fora do planeta terra pois ele não é humano, já o goku não pode pois ele precisa respirar oxigenio. a força do superman é infinita e a do goku tem limite , a fusão por exemplo tem limite de tempo.
vanderleyroberto 10 hours ago
goku would have raped him
ZimZombi 21 hours ago
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ojela666 21 hours ago
a which pussy hole continue a mek dem video yah 4 d last time superman cnt beat goku no no way no how
narmeon 21 hours ago
This is not realistic lol, everyone knows that Goku and Superman fights for good and would never fight each other unless they were roommates and Goku stole the sugar
ShangoTower 1 day ago
@ShangoTower lol but goku would win cause superman isnt invulnerable he just has a very high tolerance for pain
lilverson1333 1 day ago
part 3 comming soon and it was uploaded 10 months ago
thekagebo123 2 days ago
goku rulez superman is weak cause he is weak around a green rock
TheDBZfanofgoku 2 days ago
I think Goku is a pretty cool guy, Eh saves us all from Cell and doesn't afraid of anything.
CronosXIIII 2 days ago
chuck norris aint that great, i bet my dad could beat him chuck is like 70 years old
superspinclaw 2 days ago
I will continue spaming every single god damn chuck norris fucking faggot joke i see till there all gone. thank you for reading bitchs.
Illusionisit 2 days ago
But the Superman, he just does not have such powers. He can not stand when Goku attacks him, because Superman is much, much more weak.
And when Goku hit Superman, Superman will simply be torn apart. This is the truth. :)
MrDjScreamshit 3 days ago
everyone in dbz have strength. World tournaments is a good examples. Goku can read minds ( he reads krillin mind when he arives on namek, brolly went through son and by now goku should be able to. and a cheater ( either steals others or natual energy, eat magical beans, pass the fight to someone elso or uses magic balls.
Both goku and super do die so neither are unbeatable
Cons: no instant power ups, cant breathe in space or hold breath for ever
Dnell19 3 days ago
i like to add its two worlds and either cant win. Superman pros: heat resistance, run so fast go back in time ( Maybe speed of light or faster ) super man has strength of 100 trillion people, hold breath for ever and punch a hole in the galaxy. pros: Weekend by a rock
Goku Pros: Way faster than the speed the light at least by 100 ( Ratiz fight )
Beat a guy half way through the series that destroyed a whole galaxy ( Brolly ) Cant compare earth people to dbz normal people.
Dnell19 3 days ago
GO GOKU!!!
axlguillermo 3 days ago
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Goku would at least have to be super saiyan 2 to do damage to superman, and at least super saiyan 3 to defeat him
SymphonyStainedRed 4 days ago
@SymphonyStainedRed at what time though, goku in base form at the end of GT is stronger than Goku in super saiyan 2 during the beginning of the majin buu saga
ryancampos137 3 days ago
What about BROOOOOOLY?!
Hyrriuk 5 days ago
We all know hercule satin can beat them both ;)
vulcanchama 5 days ago
you should end it with spirit bomb
ajmunsey 5 days ago
Superman is stronger and faster then Goku plus he doesnt need to powerup but Goku is by far the better fighter and if he focuses up energy attacks vs hand to hand he might stand a chance
hazmat32 5 days ago
@hazmat32 your funny goku can own superman
Mr123HC 4 days ago
@Mr123HC How? Superman has had training from bats in fighting, he is strong enough to move moons, can fly through suns, and can move at speeds closing in on the speed of light plus there is no 30mins of screaming to power up.
hazmat32 4 days ago
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@hazmat32
"he is strong enough to move moons"
cool, it takes more energy to destroy something than to move or lift something.
here's a cool feat from king vegeta /watch?v=Ybod9EleH9E "can fly through suns"
he gets his power from the sun so I cant imagine why he wouldn't be able to do that
" can move at speeds closing in on the speed of light "
Lol, not in a fight, he has to accelerate in a straight line
let me know when supes can fight faster than this
/watch?v=RB-i9W0IlMU
Flamer2018 4 days ago
@hazmat32 3 words - Big. Bang. Kamehameha. End of debate.
21TheRonin 4 days ago 10
@hazmat32 goku can move faster than the speed of light, instant transmission is instantaneous, also martial arts wise, goku far suprasses batman's training (master roshi alone is a better martial artist), goku could easily move a moon, not to mention destroy one with the mere flick of the wrist, i'm not sure if goku's body can survive the sun's heat, but unless theyre fighting on the sun, i don't think thatll help superman much
ryancampos137 3 days ago
@ryancampos137 Ill admit energy wise Goku has the advantage but where is the proof that Goku can move a moon? Superman is capable of lifting 800,000 tons (725,748 metric tons)) according to DC so Im thinking Supes still has the strength advantage and speedwise Ill say they are close because I.T. levels the field a bit
hazmat32 3 days ago
@hazmat32 ok so i found out that Goku doesnt even need IT to be faster than superman, Raditz succesfully dodges an attack that moves at the speed of light (special beam cannon) and we can all agree that Goku is MUCH faster than raditz, also if you do the math, we know Goku can at least lift 128 million tons at super saiyan 4, he can lift 800,000 tons at just super saiyan 1
ryancampos137 3 days ago
@hazmat32 I think there both strong but goku is stronger I mean after Superman has never fought much villains who can actually fight at the speed of light instead of merely traveling. 30 minutes is sort of exagerrating later on he can go ssj 1 2 and 3 at the speed of a button press have to agree with the others.
sonicadx 3 days ago
the both characters are fictitious, chuck norris is real!
PrinceIsildur 6 days ago 10
KICK HIS ASS GOKUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU!!! :D
myluck93 6 days ago 2
Seriously need better sound effects and voice. Plus Goku smiles more
xAndycoolguy27x 6 days ago
cant possibly be serious... goku would murder his ass
p3rryn 6 days ago
1:58-2:02 "what is love" head nod :D
NewtronFiend95 6 days ago
We want the third part! Goku will win!
AntiAnto98 6 days ago
the 3 part???
samuelpanchito 6 days ago
@DjangoEX
R5
Lastly because you invalidated yourself and I am so done with you. This is about Goku and SUperman. So please relate what the hell saying back to the orignal TOPIC. IF NOT YOU CAN'T DEBATE. so stop talking about debating and learn it. You should like a hoe, because I know one that writing and reasons just like you, she uses the word debate alot when arguing and yes, sadly she is a hoe. Please lift yourself up and go learn about what your talking about.
FINISHED
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon what the hell are you talking about a hoe?LOL wtf is this somebody else needs to see this conversation this is ridiculous LOL.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
W1
I actually apologize, This is silly. You actually got me upset and that is my bad. I congratulate you I have heard many things like Goku can destroy the universe with a flick of hand and sweat shops are healthy and good for kids, etc. However you state things and have little to no support you do not back up what your saying and its so epically devoid of sound logics, you don't even address points, you do not address your own contradictions. You even don't know your own quotes.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon Alright lets start over slower.When did i say"the Omega effect is Cosmic, WTF. " flash comment that flash has a lack of memory"
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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I just read your comment. I will direct you to a like to a youtube video that has a list of superman feats. Type in Youtube "Superman's feats First Part" the video is uploaded by "ShadowHunter31". He also has a part 2. This feats not the ones I am describing still list superman powers I am talking about, like speed on par with flash, faster mind than flash, strength far beyond tv shows and what people believe.
Ryukikon 3 days ago
@Ryukikon i'm kinda done with you mn. it seems you don't understand what i'm saying and you don't understand me.You don't even attempt to understanmd what i'm saying nd continue to confuse me more I'm done.
DjangoEX 2 days ago
@DjangoEX
Thanks, That really means alot to me. I got alot of comments from you afterwards so I thought this link would explain so I don't have to talk to you anymore. I am very happy with that thought that I will not have to read any more messages in my mail list from you so. Thanks
Ryukikon 2 days ago
@DjangoEX
W2
So again, I am sorry I should not have allow myself to get upset. Out of the sr8 trolling I have heard, I give you a nod of respect for skill. No offense please you google to look up statements you have never heard. Its called research they use it in debates, any thing less when you use word is a trolling. I say this because seriously you might have or already have kids and I would like to to atleast make sense. I have more than said everything I need to say to you.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon Yes, I use the comics i have on hand right now to justify my statements and I'll gladly cite the issue numbers if you want.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
I already gave directions etc to back what I am saying to people on Goku VS Superman Part 1. I directed them to a comic forum like comicvine where they have tons of scans. You can go to Part 1 and much of what I am saying will apply. Also use google it is your friend.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon I never read any of that. Did you expect me to go back to another part and read qhat you said?
DjangoEX 1 week ago
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Flamer2018 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
Ive read your post, and you still haven't convinced anyone how superman is superior to goku in the mids of a fight.
In fighting intelligence Goku vastly surpasses superman and that is what matters.
Supes has trouble with superior h2h fighters. Its one of his trademarks, it is seen a lot in his friendly rivalry with Wonder Woman. And Superman simply cannot fight at the high sustained speeds of Goku. Sups is strong,but what is the fighting applications of all that strength?
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Re-read what i said and GOOGLE it. Type in CIS, Character induced Stupidity and read the websites that talk about that and plot induced stupity. You can post any references you want, support your material that would a BIG PLUS. However I honestly it will fall short, I wrote back because you retorted with a logical statement. I have enough material on this vid and the first(part 1) and I talked to you enough(take out the upset part) to cover most rebuttals about Goku and Superman
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
"directed them to a comic forum like "comicvine"
Not that comic vine is bad or anything
But it sounds biased as hell, lol.
Theirs dozens of other forms with superior debtors.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
"Goku clearly struggles with Chi Chi" /watch?v=02EllbHtLSU @ 4:45 LOL no,
goku finished her in one punch
superman struggled with the karate kid
gets taggeb by kite man has faild to break steel
has been ko'd by an electrical fence
has been ko'd by a gass station explosion has been hurt buy people far less than goku,
goku is well above class 100 with massively hypersonic to LS reflexes. your only taking superman's high end feats and wanking the fuck outta them.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
let me know when super man can fight faster than this
/watch?v=revGaVbBP7E&feature=related @ 3:08
then we can talk about it over a cup of coffee
LOL
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
R4
also grammar, I cut that because limited space(WOW). NOw since your brain is so slow you do not understand how superbrains conceptual operate(function). " Cosmic entity have god like power". See, They define GODS in D.C, in the work, okay, so you are off. You are making things up. the Omega effect is Cosmic, WTF. " flash comment that flash has a lack of memory" When did say this. Again making stuff up. Like I can point this out for hours. You confuse yourself.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon what are you talking about. I never said any of that"the Omega effect is Cosmic, WTF. " flash comment that flash has a lack of memory" are we even reading the same comments?
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
R3 "When you are discussing comics logic can barely apply seeing as we are discussing an alien who has the power to move planets and acheive light speed." from you. Why are you then arguing, this is what I'm talking about. You say stupid stuff, contradictory things like every comment. Again you in logics can do this as long as you are sticking to the physics on said universe. You have clearly shown that is hard for you to understand. You are an IDIOT, that want attention
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon There are barely any said laws on that universe that we as humans can comprehend.For attention,REALLY?Are you serious.Dude it seems YOU have never debated with anyone before.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@Ryukikon I don't even have a clue what we are aruging about you just replied to me with statements that contradicted mine and i threw a rebut.Is this Goku vs Superman or wat?
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
R2
You have never been in a debate outside of this one where you have discussed with any knoweledgable person about any character in any work seriously and not have heard or used the term or concept of CIS. I did not make up, that is conventionaly term used on forums, Your the debating Genius(Idiot).
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon Are you kidding me?I debate all the time on the comic vine and KMC forums and have never heard of CIS since Iwas probablly debating with people with alot more sense than you.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX and here you go insulting me again when you say this is a debate not a fight. In a debate you don't go and throw insults you actually just debate the topic.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
R1
You have invalidated yourself. You have proven that you do not know enough about the characters, D.C, DB and even critical thinking. You do not know how to debate, argue only fight. Please if you have watched DBZ and Some DB shut up. IF you have only been reading superman since 96 shut up, You don't know what your talking about. Again you do not address the majority of the statements. I address yours that is atleast how an argument works, which is where debates come from Learn it
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon You can't even quote when i don't know what I'm talking about all you do is insult and you say I'm the one fighting?I'm debating and you keep trying to insult me .
DjangoEX 1 week ago
uh oh - superman vs goku. Well if I understand the explanation I got long ago about who precrisis superman is then. I have to say superman would win(even against ssj4 goku or gogeta) if it was a battle of strength. Otherwise it could go either way because superman's weak to kryptonite or red sun exposure(goku has instant transmition). I think KabitoKai could possibly win against superman since he can summon metal and probably anything else. But then again pc superman overcomes almost anything.
NeoMasamune2too 1 week ago
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I have one last theory that would put kid buu above super man
super man is shown to be very waek against any kind magic/ magical being
his neck was cut by wonder woman's Terra, witch is magical
he has been cut and scratched/hurt by ware wolves/vampires
he has been ko'd by the silver banshee a magical/supernatural being
kid buu is a pink blob created by a wizard, LOL is that any less supernatural/magical then a
werewolf or a vampire
Flamer2018 1 week ago
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Flamer2018 1 week ago
It's sort of difficult to compare these two... Superman seems to have a comparatively consistent power level, but Gokus grows so insanely fast throughout the series. If it were Goku at the end of the DBZ series vs Superman, there's no doubt Goku would win... He can blow up galaxies >.>
TheSpiffyHarry 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
It is not difficult to compare the two at all. IF you have read the comics for a bit or read enough wiki and battles you will understand that Superman power is always getting stronger. Superman fears power and uses his Super intelligence to make it seem the same. He is also developing new powers as he ages however he does his best to minimize this affect as he fears more power. Goku has never blow up a galaxy, I would like to see this in the manga or show.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon
In the movie, "Broly - The Legendary Super Saiyan", King Kai becomes aware of some disturbance in the southern galaxy, you get to see a visualization of the galaxy disappearing bit by bit as Brolly destroys it. By the end of GT Goku becomes much stronger than Brolly was back way back then.
Also, in the series, Gotenks, a character who is much, much weaker than Goku travels around the earth 9 times in 4 seasons, that's 225,000 miles all up.
TheSpiffyHarry 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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I have gone over this in part 1 of this Goku vs superman vid and other people have gone over the Broly galaxy busting myth. Broly does not destroy a Galaxy adn he does not do it in one go. Also Broly is not canon as it is a movie and GT is not Canon as well. Also Gotenk was stronger than Goku, I have heard these claims before and they are not true. I will say that I use to be a mega Geek for DB universe when I was a kid so I don't mind going to nerd moments.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
p1
First off, I am telling everyone, I think Superman is faster and physically stronger, obviously Goku wins in the spiritual department (ki). But the ability to, lets say, run faster than your opponent doesn't mean you're Faster in a fight. Not even close!! Reflex, technique and thinking on your feet is something Goku has way over the man of steel. Not to say Superman doesn't have them, but that Goku is far superior in them.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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Also Goku does not get any where close to the speed of light. I will explain in dragon ball a slight power boost can allow the opponent to become totally beyond the others recongition in speed. Example If I am moving 620mph and you power up and move 800mph by dragon ball logic I will not be able to see you. I have to trust my fighting instincts, etc. If you power up and Now move at 950mph I will be epically getting raped beyond anything.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
p2 This and Gokus ability to sense energy means he will always be able to tell where his opponent is! Strength is also, in a fight, measured not in your physical power, but you're ability to manipulate your own and, in some martial arts like Judo, your opponents. Goku is a martial arts master in just about every form. He sees it and learns it instantly! No need for reference to this ability, but for the sake of argument, when Goku first learns the Kamehameha.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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Okay then next is the myth about instant transmission(covered this in part 1) which has tons of flaws and works as a teleport or conversion to particles to move at or close to LS. Superman can see all forms of engery, even Ki and he can catch atom(see sub atomic particles) he can slice them with his vison powers. So Goku dies, I can go on about how he would own instant transmission because there are many, many, many ways.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
p3
A argument ender I once saw was that Superman could simply lift Goku into space and hold on till he dies. Obviously, any Dragonball Z fan knows that Goku can use instant transmission to get away. And that he doesn't need to put his hands to his forehead to do it, unless he wants to be precise over a long distance. Example, when fighting Cell, Goku is floating above Cell, on the verge of the last syllable for the Kamehameha, then teleports below him and blows him away.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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DB and DBZ gods are not the same like gods in D.C, The gods in DB are not really gods. Like Picclo is a GOD but we know that piccolo is not really a god. Also the Kai's are not really gods(more like piccolo). In D.C the actually have GODS, that have insane powers that the DB gods would really go nuts for. The actual most godly characters in DB are the Dragons(from balls) and Majin Buu, they come the closest to D.C or Marvel GODS.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon
Sorry, I'm a little too embarrassed arguing this, I usually laugh at people who do this. xD
But I will answer the short amount I read, Goku uses his IT to travel around the southern galaxy, planet to planet, and if he goes to the Kai's planet first, he can IT to anywhere in the universe.
Superman is a walking deus ex machina. It's a cop-out to say, "oh, he lets them hit him", no that's not the case, it's that the writers don't care about consistency
TheSpiffyHarry 1 week ago
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LOL, Look Superman is a giant cop-out cheap character. Akira the creator of DB/DBZ loves superman and did not want the superman effect to happen to his characters he wanted to end DBZ at the end of Freeza on Namek. The company forced him to go on. Goku teleports so in a sense yes, but he has to see where he is going, know the route or detect the life energy to go there(logic problems and solutions with teleporting).
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
p2 9 meaning he will definitely get a 50 time power increase when he transforms into Super Saiyan 1. Then the rest is just gravy, A lightning bolt moves at roughly half the speed of light. At a power level of 150,000,000, Goku can move 288,461 (roughly) times faster than light. That's not speculation, that's simple mathematics. So, combine this with the strength level in the above segment, imagine how fast he is now? IN A FIGHT. Which is what he specialises in,
Flamer2018 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
pt 12
Goku can absorb its energy, as I've stated in my other post.
I will give techniques Goku can use to deal heavy blows in combat. The Afterimage technique, which allows him to leave images of himself (blurred for the viewers). As Superman can't sense ki, so Goku could deal a critical blow while Superman is wondering which Gokus the real one and The Solar Flare, which blinds the enemy temporarily.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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Look superman and this is a fact moves faster than teleportation, I know its paradoxical but he does. He has moved faster that the JLA powered by GL moving through a boom tube(teleport device). GL moves FTL, To the core of the planet. Superman just owned some people in space talked to GL(wireless) and then moved so fast from deep space to the earth and then drilled to the core of the planet and still beat the JLA teleporting. He also was not tired.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
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But, I will play every angle. Lets say Superman is too strong and Goku can't harm him. You acknowledge the Genki Dama (Spirit Bomb), but criticise it because of the time it takes to make. But, by the end of GT, Gokus mastery of the Spirit Bomb allows him to make one in a couple of minutes, that comprises of all the energy in the Universe. But to do it in battle is not impossible. Goku has Instant Transmission that allows him to move instantly by thinking of were he wants to go
Flamer2018 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
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With these reasons, I believe Superman would lose to Goku in a fight. He has so much power and an near infinite amount when the need is called upon. I call my opponent to challenge a man who can travel across dimensions within seconds, summon all the power in the universe in minutes, is the greatest martial artist ever and can still be the coolest, funniest pimp ever.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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I am sorry but Superman is a silly limitless character which should have never been made. He doesn't show it but he has a superbrain and perfect memory. He remembers all fighting techniques, numbers, languages, everything you said and did he remembers it. Every good memory and bad memory he remembers it. He operates in a time zone simillar to the flash. The cartoon is not a good example as they nerf the character like the comics alot to give the cast(JLA) some use.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
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Like many of Gokus techniques, it seems to increase in power as he does, as evident in episode 188 ‘A Hero's Farewell', as Goku transports within mere seconds to the Other world.
With this technique, Goku can go anywhere, charge the attack, and come back and blow Supes away. Also, while using this technique, Goku has incredible damage resistance, as he takes a direct blow from Omega Shenrons ultimate attack without a scratch. Alternatively,
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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last wheter you choose to accept it or not does not change facts. Superman is a Deus Ex Machina, Take Goku who is inspired by Superman and Journey west and let that story have gone on for 60+ years and then you would have a walking Deus Ex Machina to the level of Superman. Superman comics don't even sell alot because he is so silly with powers. You can't even use an alien with superbrain like that think of it as a human. People do. I should seriously be training right now
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon superman comics don't sell alot? LOL no stop pulling things out of your ass. Superman's villians constantlly give him a run for his money and usually he needs backup,even for some of his human villians. He never wins easily but its not like he's gonna be like goku and die 10 times and get resurrected.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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I lol at alot of the ridiculous statement I read in this vid comment section but ever now and then I read a comment that I find truly frighten because of the level of fallacy employed. You have no idea what you are talking about and you are seriously pulling things from your ass. Superman Comics are not selling like they use to. Sales have been dropping for superman for a long time however he is still and important character that people want and like.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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The fact that people like him and value him does not necessarly mean that he will have the best sales or be as good as he was. Example, I will use pop Lets say Jay Z sales drop on every new album he drops and people complain that Drake is everywhere too much and his sales drop. THat doesn't mean that people do like them it just means that market wise people may have become saturated with them. Also it does not mean that they are the best or does it mean they can't sell anymore
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Also superman's villians may incur superman to struggle however that does not men that superman cannot easily win, That is apart of the Superman Complex. Example I posed before with Goku and Chi Chi. Goku clearly struggles with Chi Chi and needs back up and she is like almost normal compared to Goku and Co powers. Also have you watched Db to DBZ. Goku Struggles with lots of foes, then he can infact defeat in and instant. THat does not mean the foes are Goku Strong.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon are you fuckin kidding me?LMFAO.You take time to right wat like 4 full comments and they end up being bullshit.From what source did you see that superman comics have not been selling well,I base my facts on the overall DC profits.Goku and CHiChi LOL.Dude get out. Even at the end of DB goku did not have any problem beating chi chi in the tournement.Do you even read superman comics?You obviously don't.I 've watched all of DBZ and some of DB.If you want to start a real debate
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Now dude, when you argue with someone(not fight) a solid part of that is logic. You conviently like many people skip over(not counter, not dispel, not retort) the logical concepts I present. Also you are basing overall D.C sales on the sales of SUperman for doing well. ARE YOU SERIOUS. THis is what I mean you don't get logics, you contradict conceptually yourself. I can point alot more and their not typo's but I'm gonna leave it alone. WOW, logical FAIL
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon research the sources.Superman rarely fights cosmic enemys himself let alone in his actually run of comics. His brain does process things faster than humans but like the flash(whose brain processes things at a much faster rate than supes)you have to actually have knowledge for it to be of much use.I'm not saying superman does not have knowledge I'm saying that his knowledge does n't compare to batman and luthors.
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Flamer2018 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Illusions may look real and can feel real but that does equal real. I agree that superman does have some foes that he can have geninue trouble with however these Foes have abilities that are GOD like, Cosmic in nature. However still most of these foes would lose very quickly to a fully lethally Serious, no holding back, esp no CIS Superman. His Powers are too high in every area. He thinks about more things in one second that Luther or batman does in a lifetime. Superbrain
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Understanding just the powers of a superbrain would make you understand that the intellectual struggles with Lex, etc are illusions. Even again at with normal intelligent if every sec was like a 1000yrs and you played chess you would be able to beat the best chess master with basic chess skills or logic. THis is really simple to understand. You add in superman's powers and it is over. Your understanding over CIS and suspense is a serious problem.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon Illusions?LMFAO. Dude you can't just assume shit then try to make it a fact.If this is never shown in the comics than its not canon aka its bullshit.Thats like saying since goku beat kid buu he is a galaxy buster LOL.We are not using logic in a comic debate we use feats not assumptions.Once again it seems you have never picked up 1 superman comic in your life.6 useless comments LOL.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Danjo, I rarely say this to anyone but your probably really stupid. I have watched DB and DBZ(JP and ENG), many times to completion, I actually read the mangas, What I am talking about from Superman is Comics. If you do not now that much about superman you shouldn't about the character. Your retort with CHi was just stupid, like your statements which are so retard and full of so many holes they somehow float on water.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon Who the fuck is danjo.Can you seriously not read or are you using google translate or what? I shouldn't about the character?I'm going to let you retype this comment because iseriously don't understand what your trying to say.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
I do not care to get your name even right. THe comment is direct at you, I am talking at you. The name is spelt not that far off from your name. The human brain has the capacity to correct and reorganize into a logical framewark or pattern. This is ability is retard in you. Please do not talk about Grammer, okay. You make enough mistakes with that. THat is why I mentioned concepts, see that is why you need a critical thinking class.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon I;m saying you didn't get my name right because your grammer is just so terrible and thats an example
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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I have discussed Superman with people far more knowledge than you because you must have recently started read superman. Go back through Superman to present to Character a character scope. Okay, cause clearly don't understand writing and CIS. Goku beat Chi in a tournament easily, you didn't even get what I was saying because your so slow. I rarely insult people gosh, your just slow. You live and fallacy because you can't process logic.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon I've been reading superman since 96'.CIS does not exist CIS is bullshit,something you pulled out of your shit filled ass. In debates you go by comic canon(it seems you lack debate experiance also) and feats from the comic.Maybe I didn't understand what you were saying because your grammer is pretty bad.Explain it again. When you are discussing comics logic can barely apply seeing as we are discussing an alien who has the power to move planets and acheive light speed.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Superman has perfect memory unlike the flash big difference. THe flash does not process things in his brain as fast as superman(WOW that's basic). FOr the flash it is like the chess master example, I used that so your can see the logic. SUperman has that perception plus a superbrain. He see's energy, the flash doesn't, he see atoms and sub-atomic particles, the flash doesn't. He has fought aliens, luthor and has access to kryptonian technology. WOW, He see into the tech.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon I said flash has a faster brain process.Flash's brain is like having a quad core processor with an intergrated graphics card while supermans would be like having aTriple core processor with a GTS 450(if you can even comprehend that).Seriosuly it seems you have never read a DC comic in your life
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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wow, even with a normal brain and superspeed preception plus the vision powers he would still learn it, much less a superbrain with perfect memory. CIS, superman doesn't wear a lead suit, or use tech that exist to minize any weakness or amplfy power, why CIS. THat doesn't mean he can't do it, its not in his ability to do it. It is do because of CIS and he would be even more powerful. "You actually have to knowledge", wow. You need a science and critical thinking class.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon Where has it shown in any flash comment that flash has a lack of memory?Once again CIS is complete bullshit.You can't just assume that someone can do something when ur trying to use your shit logic.You want to use science and critical thinking in a comic book?Dude seriously just gtfo.
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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what your saying amounts to Goku can't use a space or a suit because in DBZ hardly uses it and the eps I saw he never did. That's stupid, okay that's just CIS, like why they never for Immortality on the Dragon balls. Now, back to powers that is external, I am talking naturally about internal things to the character base abilities. Superman fights cosmic foes(DUH), Superman is a cosmic level character(DUH). Again take classes and study hard. Stop wiki it helps but not for thinking
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon Superman barely fights cosmic enemys alone(why do i have to repeat myself). Superman is not a cosmic entity. Cosmic entity have god like power that can stomp superman in about 2 secs flat.The spectre is a cosmic entity,Bat-mite is a cosmic entity,Imperiax is a cosmic entity all these people could kill superman in 2 seconds,
DjangoEX 1 week ago
@DjangoEX
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Oh, in case you did not know or understand CIS is not CIS as in CIS miami. It means Character Induced Stupidity. Just because superman doesn't do it does mean that he can't given that these are powers it is literally stated he has and he has demonstrated in a related area the ability to do such things in repetition under the physics of his universe. The stronger the Characters are the more they usaully suffer from CIS.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
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First off, strength wise, at a level of 10, Goku has been able to lift small cars over his head and throw them, see Dragonball episode 1. Now, according to this dbzwarriors website, Super Saiyan Goku has a power level of 150,000,000. I implore you to focus on the from the Daizenshu, note ( Akira Toriyama said the anime was
cannon) I can provide you with proof, let let me know when you wanna see them.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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Remember in DB they do not keep up the speed they do Speed Burst. If they keep it up they run out of Ki alot faster. Also the idea that superman is slow is insane, I have fanboys agree that superman can sense and move at FTL but then say that superman is slow and get tagged. I will go into this with some logic because there is a deep fallacy running here. I would like to add here that I am logical about the characters I do not really like superman(disclaimer)
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
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Next, speed. From the episode 127. Quicker Than Lightning, Goku is able to dodge a lightning bolt at a Power Level of 260, use earlier reference for proof. Using the last point, imagine how fast he is by the end. Now, I usually save this ‘till last, but I'll say it now. In the Movie Super Android 13! Goku defeats Android 13 by creating a Spirit Bomb and absorbing the energy with all the energy on Earth. If you debate whether or not it was all the power on Earth.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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Superman can go into the sun's core. No known material in the universe can hurt superman. He is invurnable, additionally he has perfect memory and super calcuation(12th level intellect), He is also capable of Superspeed(LS to FTL) with or without flying. Now Goku may not fly all the time when he is around the house, Chi CHi may tag Goku, that does not mean Chi Chi is as fast as Goku or Goku is slow. It just means that Goku allows Chi Chi to tag and boss him around.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
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will only hurt your argument. Now, by the end of DBGT, overseen and approved by Akira Toriyama, Goku makes a Spirit Bomb to defeat Omega Shenron out of all the energy in the Universe. Now, the Spirit Bomb doesn't work on those who are pure of heart. Whether Superman is pure of heart is a debate for another time. Lets say he is, then Goku could absorb the energy and use it as his own. His power would be unlike anything ever seen.
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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Superman has and other characters have, the GODs of D.C and the Writers for generations have stated that superman is always holding his power back and using super calculation to make sure he always hits his enemies hard enough and moves only fast enough to not destory the enviroment. THe flash who moves simillar speeds is not invulnerable so he has to dodge enemies attacks. Superman does not he has a choice as only a very small group of people can actually hurt him.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@Ryukikon
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This wouldn't be necessary as Gokus power would be more than enough to deal with Superman. I have only seen how fast superman is "outside" a fight, which is, how I've stated, irrelevant in a fight, as training to fight faster is completely different to training to running faster. superman has good reflexes, but aren't near the level of Goku. Some of the scans show Supermans incredible durability,( goku was stated to have planet plus durability)
dragon ball chapter 319Page 8
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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you also have to keep in mind that like the flash 1 sec for use is like a 1000yrs for them. Plus unlike the flash he has a super brain(which can out think a cosmic computer that has absorbed all the information in a universe). So yeah, when he chooses to get hit that is his choice. However if he does not want to get hit very few people in the universe can touch him. Much like Goku letting Chi Chi hit, scream and grab him. Its a choice maybe not the best to you but a choice
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon
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Now, for the final counterattack. Despite having shown Gokus strength, I will now go into irrefutable proof. Near the end of Dragonball GT, Goku gets sent into Hell. There he fights Frieza and Cell. Now, Cell when he was killed had roughly the same power level as a Super Saiyan 2. Goku is able to dispatch of him within seconds, albeit, it being Hell, he returns to ‘life' right after. That means, Goku is easily as powerful as a Super Saiyan 2 in his base form,
Flamer2018 1 week ago
@Ryukikon
Ultimately it's a silly but fun debate for nerds like us, but there's nothing conclusive we can draw, there's far too many unknowns. If I had to put my money on someone though, I'd put it on Goku... I've always hated how ludicrously powerful the characters became in Z and GT, nothing short of Gods... Actually, they're much stronger than the Gods ( the kais ) of Goku's universe.
I much prefer Dragonball, where the characters strength was a little more relateable :P
TheSpiffyHarry 1 week ago
@TheSpiffyHarry
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Now I will further comment if you can provide proof withing canon of what you are saying but no Character in Canon has done what you claim Goku can do. If goku can't move FTL and Superman can see FTL, Goku may move fast to the human eye but other Z fighters can keep up with sight. To superman who SEE's FTL and senses FTL he would be moving in super super slow motion. Any thx, remember now support what your saying with evidence in canon.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon
I feel absolutely ridiculous debating this, but I suppose it's fun, in a weird way.
Goku also uses Instant Transmition to teleport around the universe and even to other demensions during the movies and series. Goku probably isn't faster than light, but we can reasonably assume he gets close, seeing as ludicrously powerful he gets. Not to mention superman is seen getting a run for his money by slow enemies, so speed isn't everything.
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Crisshomes1 1 week ago
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Goku's instant teleportation is limited due to chi location and how much time it takes for him to concentrate unlike the Kaioshin if you remember.
Goku's speed is mostly high hypersonic but not even near the speed of light without his It wich is mostly a star trek issue "beam me up scotty".
Crisshomes1 1 week ago
@Ryukikon
Also, supermans powers are used inconsistently in the movies, comics and cartoons, when they need him to be weak enough for someone to hurt him, he is, and then other times he's sneezing and destroying an entire solar system ( this actually happens! )
TheSpiffyHarry 1 week ago
Superman is about the same as a SSJ 1 Goku. And SSJ level above 1 has Superman whipped UNLESS Supes takes a sun dip. Then it's anybody's guess.
brooksdanielgary 1 week ago
GOKU CON UNA SOLA PIÑA LO MATA AL PUTO DE MIERDA DE SUPERMAN
ALe1B223 1 week ago
the earth would get destroyed not even half way thru this fight!
manuel1654088 1 week ago
Even if goku was as weak as superman he would still know martial arts while superman doesnt
jacobfox17 1 week ago
Goku can totally beat superman at anytime he fight him!!!!!!
AnimeFanSuperHero 1 week ago
hello
in real life goku kills superman by 1 hit -.-
feathersfell12 1 week ago
Why would they be fighting anyways? Superman is a big blue boyscout and Goku is an embodiment of naive, pure-hearted goodness who primarily fights out of the joy of fighting. And who would win really depends on which version of either character you're talking about. Silver Age Superman was near invulnerable and could push planets around with ease, while Goku's power grew to truly ridiculous heights throughout the series, to the point where he could detonate planets without breaking a sweat.
KenoshiAkai 1 week ago
at 0:30 goku was supposed to kick superman in the ballz.
Ssaiyen1 1 week ago
es ovio que goku es mas cabron =)
alditocaldito 1 week ago
Curse the character limit haha. Anyways it came down the way they fight. If its to the death Goku would win since his Saiyan blood is just cruel genetically lol. Goku is well know to use opponents weaknesses in life or death cases or strait up do it fast and not even time wasting. Superman will hold back no matter what unless he back to the absolute corner, that being said some comics tells Sups strait on no mercy but those were written by bad writters. In the end depends on you the fans.
KamenGrayz 1 week ago
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@coldskin1 Destructo Disc was a move created by Krillin a human. Are you sure you're a dragon ball fan lol.
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KamenGrayz 1 week ago
Been done so many times. I personally think Superman would win. I mean, he held black holes in the palm of his hand, has created suns to feed to a Suneater, blown a solar system back into place, survived omega beams, flown so fast as to break the laws of time and space. Goku is as about as badass as anime gets, but the facts show that pre-crisis Superman would be able to beat him, even in SSJ4. Hell, pre-crisis superman is out of control even in the context of comic books.
ZacharyRobertson70 1 week ago
@ZacharyRobertson70 Really even SSJ4 can't beat him please. By turning to SSJ3 he already bend space points to the sky when Goku transforming to SSJ3. Pre-crisis Sups did all of that what you typed it is true but in the end it came down to fighting capabilities and raw power. Just so you know SSJ4 broke a magic curse I would like to see Sups do that.
KamenGrayz 1 week ago
@KamenGrayz gotenks in ssj3 can ripped dimseon but goku from gt did it in normal as a kid
coldskin1 1 week ago
@KamenGrayz but to keep it simple all goku as to do is seen him to hell than teleport back
and superman will start to lose all of his powers and radily having to fight people like cell, broly, and freza till his so weak that he would die
coldskin1 1 week ago
@coldskin1 no at exactly Superman would still retain his power as long he charge himself with yellow sun light it takes weeks away from yellow sun lights to drain all his power. In DB hell there no sun or red sun so Sups will not get weaker the second he there.
KamenGrayz 1 week ago
@KamenGrayz
Superman doesn't need a yellow sun to charge his power fact, it just charges if the fastest and the best. He can absorb electro-magnetic energy, geothermal engery, etc. He does this far slower than he does with yellow sun, its one of his abilities that comes in to play very rarely but it does shown up every now and then with many different versions of superman. Also Superman can see atoms and cut them literally or break atomic bonds with his eye vision(beam powers)
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon Yeah I know all that but the common fact his power came from yellow sun light. He can absorb any kind of kinetic and convert it to strength at best. But that also his actual weakness. When I said common fact I meant is as normal comic nerd like me that don't dig in DC matter much only know that far and never go beyond that.
KamenGrayz 1 week ago
@KamenGrayz
dude to be honest, I hate Superman. However I try to be fair, however it baffles my mind how anyone can even logically conclude that Goku can win. I mean you don't really have to even be hard into comics cause I stopped that years ago but wow, I simple logic when someone moves at supersonic speed and someone else moves at the speed of light the forces it takes to generate those speeds and withstand the impacts without any sign of trouble, I mean WOW, it baffles me
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon well that how comics are they the play things for the mind it gave us imagination. Then again I would like to see a cross over where Sups and Goku team up more then they killing each other. To be fair I'm more bias toward Goku because he an interesting character that I see from child to adulthood. He's evolved and yet Superman stayed the same for years in many incarnations of comics(the good ones anyways).
KamenGrayz 1 week ago
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Goku can't top Supes feats and I am not even using good ones because of the 500 limit. They have forums that discuss supe's with pics and comic issues and pages for what for proof. THe dude can survive supernova's, etc. I mean can do Gurren Lagan type things(near end of show), like bring some back to big bang theorically. Goku speed doesn't even begin to match it both went fully seriously to the death absolutely no holding back.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@KamenGrayz
In all fairness They would team up, Goku is inspired by supes. Superman is an incredibly deep character however he is so powerful he is boring so they make him do incredbly stupid things because his power is so ridiculous its not interesting. Supes pretends to struggle, Goku actually struggles that's way Superman is like the worse Character ever and lesson to never make a characte that stupid strong that they kill your franchise and make every story you make in universe nonsense
Ryukikon 1 week ago
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@KamenGrayz
In all fairness They would team up, Goku is inspired by supes. Superman is an incredibly deep character however he is so powerful he is boring so they make him do incredbly stupid things because his power is so ridiculous its not interesting. Supes pretends to struggle, Goku actually struggles that's way Superman is like the worse Character ever and lesson to never make a characte that stupid strong that they kill your franchise and make every story you make in universe nonsense
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@KamenGrayz
A goku and supes combo would be killing still, however Goku would take the lead cause superman is a punk b@$h. You know both are like oppose Superman is a B#$h and afraid gaining more power(his greatest weakness) Goku always wants more power and is not afraid(his strength). Just noticed that, yet another reason why Superman character wise loses cool points to Goku.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@Ryukikon I know right
KamenGrayz 1 week ago
@Ryukikon goku would win.. goku can go the speed of light too.. but he can also blow up a planet by blinking.. when he had a power level of under 100 he was bullet proof, in fact he dodged bullets like they were nothing.. now that hes literally over 10 million times stronger than that what makes you think superman can win?
IHaveReallyGottaSHIT 1 week ago
@IHaveReallyGottaSHIT Goku can't go the speed of light... There's no one ever makes a claim like that in Dragonball. His fastest technique is Instant Transmission, a non-combat teleportation skill.
Geoxile 1 week ago
@Geoxile no one that*
Geoxile 1 week ago
@Geoxile nah, but he could move so fast no one could see him when he was 10 million x weaker than he his now..
IHaveReallyGottaSHIT 1 week ago
@IHaveReallyGottaSHIT Dragonball has never been good at quantifying speed or even demonstrating speed over particularly significant distances. The most we get is flying around the world from the likes of kid Trunks who takes a while to do it. Meanwhile All star Supes traveled like 9 light years (Faster Than Light) while Lois is casually chatting. Mainstream comics have even more ridiculous feats. Goku simply doesn't come close by word of mouth (of characters) or by feats
Geoxile 1 week ago
@IHaveReallyGottaSHIT
Okay, I am just going to respectfully responsed. Goku has never destoryed a planet by blinking get me canon evidence and I will then agree with you. I have no idea what you are talking about, if it is durability then we can discuss but you are speculating at the end and not providing fact. For Durability evidence Goku can't survive in magma without special equipment or a shield, superman can. THat ends that. Think what you will but facts don't need peoples feelings.
Ryukikon 1 week ago
@ZacharyRobertson70
lol dude most verison of superman would own, Goku had trouble lifting a school bus and like a 10 ton slab when he was fighting one of the Dark Dragons in non-cannon GT. Additional, he needs a shield to even go into just lava. The thing I think people get confused about is flash. Goku is flash, DBZ is flashy but flashy doesnt mean stronger. The only anime people that might stand a chance of winning is the Gurren Lagan squad.
Ryukikon 1 week ago