The uk people are made up of English, Irish, Scottish and welsh people's and no matter who has independence from each other we will always remain a bit ish of each other. We have always been a diverse group of islands and we should play to those strengths, respect.
99% of council housing staff are white,giving priority housing to blacks,but when the white complains ,theyre labeled racists,my somalian drug dealing neighbour gets attacked in the STREET,hes offered 5 houses in one week,25th jan i get a gang of thugs barging into my HOUSE looking for another dealer in my close,my housing office turn a blind eye. dont want to know ,im the carer for my dad ,he lives on the other end of the city ive had doctors mps, social work supplying letters,so whos racist?
@kicked123456 Not immediately, Scotland will wait until the time is right to join the Euro. In the meantime there is nothing wrong with using Scotlands own currency, the Pound. We don't need persmission to use it, it has always been Scotland's as well as the rest of the UK. Indeed, many reasons for the pound being so strong is due to the vast amount of resources the UK has, most of which is located in Scotland.
If Scotland was to become independent it would need to double it's economy with the loss of its subsidiary and tax breaks is not going to do that. because of the size of your economy I don't think Germany would allow you to do this if you were still part of the Europe.
Let US decide with ONE simple question on the issue salmond needs to tread a bit more carefully because when his twin humpty dumpty fell of the wall all the SNP couldnt put him back together either
The aristocrats with money are just going to punch holes into this. you'll just get bombarded by ads. also enjoy not having the pound,even if you do have the pound you will not be able to control it. i can see independance lite happening,however.
This one time I went to Scotland. It rained non-stop and was freezing cold. Everyone is overweight and has false teeth. All the men are transvestites and the women look like men. I was attacked by a swarm of midges and thrown out of a pub for saying that the Loch Ness monster didn't exist. Everyone is constantly drunk and there is a very high level of MS due to the horrible weather. I couldn't sleep at night due to the constant bagpipe noise. I am never going back.
He's never openly made an Anglophobic remark because he's a politician and their too clever to fall into that trap but his loathing of England will drive him to ruin his own country. Scotland will NOT be better off on its own. Independance may seem a nice idea on paper - in practice it wont work
Go on, vote for your independence. But I do hope you realise Alex Salmond is nothing more than an anti-English bigot who hasn't got a clue about politics, or what he will do after (if) he gets independence. He wants 16 year olds to vote because he knows the naive youngsters are his only chance.You would also be phased out of the pound sterling for the Euro. I know what I would rather be in...
@MLSmartStuff An indepedeant scotland will have a referendum over the euro, ie ASKING THE PEOPLE not telling them. That is something that has been promised by tory and labour prime ministers in the past and never happend.
@MLSmartStuff You sound bitter, do you really not want us to go? don't get emotional man, if you belive the hype, England(UK-) will be far better of without Scotland anyway....apparently.
Interesting how the two top comments are in full Support of Salmond, where as the majority of comments below are entirely against. Not saying conspiracy or anything but...ya know, weird.
@StueyMack Probably because recent events have brought more astroturfers and non-Scots to this video, whereas as previously viewers would have been Scots or Scottish Nationalists and thus previous comments would be more supportive.
@StueyMack Most peple upvote the good comments dude, and if someone has already said it, no point in repeating ourselves is there? Scot's are efficient like that. :-)
I have no objection to whichever way the Scots vote... but the Scottish people MUST understand Salmond's true colours. He is not what he seems. Firstly he praises communist China, an authoritarian regime where freedom does not exist. Perhaps for those reasons, he wants Scotland in the EU. & Salmond is extremely corrupt. He is a liar, and is no more honest than Clegg or Cameron. He won't have the referendum now because he is afraid he'll lose it.
@TheLiberalKnight By that logic anyone who deals with China must be a bad person. NZ just did a free trade deal with China....NZ is not a bunch of communists. Good business is where you find it dude and whether you agree with China or not, they are doing business with the entire Western world. We can get left behind if you choose but what would be the point?
@TheLiberalKnight You are right though, if he held the referendum now, we'd lose. But not for the reasons you might think. We'd lose because Scot's have heard for decades over and over and over again that if we go it alone, we would fail. We have heard so many lies about the economy, many Scots might vote no out of doubt. It's going to take time to make people aware of the truth and undo some of these lies, that's why it's being held in 2014.
@dauntless111 Everyone knows that Scotland CAN make it alone. But what irritates me are stupid little Scottish children, who say that Scotland will be rich and furthermore richer than England! This is the height of stupidity. If you want to be independent, you need to come to terms with the fact that you will be dominated by a far richer and more powerful England, as you were in the medieval times. Scotland can make it alone, but you will be pretty poor.
@TheLiberalKnight It will be one of the poorest countries in the EU. The oil reserves the SNP claim to support Scotland will not fall into their territory since the Orkney Islands want to REMAIN in the UK.
What currency will Scotland use? If they leave they will need to find the reserves to back there own currency? This doesn't seem likely and Scotland would have to scum to the Euro.
@katoyushiromitsu If they use Pound Sterling, they will not be economically independent, because monetary policy would be decided in England & fiscal policy would have to follow England's in order to keep the currency stable. The EU will never accept their request to join the euro; why would they want another Portugal or Ireland? And making their own currency would take a while. It took Australia decades before they could leave Sterling.
@katoyushiromitsu They want indepedence because a few nationalist nazis like Salmond are good with PR and have convinced most Scots that they are somehow freedom fighters, or pro-Scottish. He has a burning hatred of England and has used his PR skills to convince a lot of Scots that he is doing the best for Scotland. Instead, he wants Scotland, like Portgual, to be an EU satellite state. He is cynically unpatriotic and anti-Scottish.
@TheLiberalKnight Oh god so now the SNP are Nazi's? you talk about Nationalism like an American talks about Socialism, with fear and judgement! Nazi = Racist, SNP = Inclusive (multiracial) There are varying types of nationalism, you should look it up, but you'd rather stick to the only definition you know of and that's Nazi. good for you.
He [Bashir Ahmad SNP MSP] was the kindest, most decent human being it has ever been my pleasure to meet. And lastly, although he would have considered it to be first, he was the most patriotic of Scotsmen. He was a credit to both his faith and to his country
@TheLiberalKnight Are you just blurting out anything from sheerignorant prejudice or do you KNOW you're repeating a total lie? Salmond on Bashir Ahmad, SNP MSP:
"Bashir was a man of enormous grace and respect, who brought the dignity of his faith to the very centre of our democratic process. Bashir made history by being the first Scots Asian MSP therefore giving the Scottish Parliament something indefinable. He made it representative of the whole country for the first time.
PS, anyone who's ever read the McCrone report can't fail to be shocked by its predatory cynicism and, if you're a Labour or Tory supporter, or perhaps just English, if you have any grace at all you'll bluch in shame.
When Scots read it, it makes us burn. A betrayal of the poorest kids in Europe, planning how to steal their birthright and keep on telling them they're living on England's handouts.
Wicki it: McCrone report. Scroll down to the searchable pdf.
@jistaface Fine, if you believe that, become independent. You Scottish nationalists enjoy pretending that England is poorer than Scotland. Well, we only have to wait until you vote yes to be proven right. So, please vote yes. Long live Free England. We should keep our own fucking money, not give it to Scotland.
Actually, I'm not a Scottish Nationalist. (Or I wasn't until last week when members of the Scottish Parliament made it so shockingly clear that even the LibDems & Labour ones are nothing other than puppets shamelessly represent the Tories in Holyrood and not the interests of the people who elected them.)
"We should keep our own fucking money" Is the knowledge that all your life you've been bankrolled by Scottish oil becoming a tad uncomfortable?
@jistaface Listen here, you filthly pig. If your anti-English ass is so arrogant to believe that we NEED you, then by all means, become independent. We'll see who has the last laugh. I will enjoy watching Scotland get bailed out by the IMF.
@TheLiberalKnight "Listen here, you filthly pig. If your anti-English ass is so arrogant to believe that we NEED you"
You do know that anger is commonly based on fear? You seem to have such confused feelings about Scotland. You've become angry because...why? There is a big desire in a small country to move towards a more autonomous future? I certainly am not anti-English. (In fact settled there for some years with an English partner.)
@TheLiberalKnight just because we will 'peg' our pound to the UK pound doesn't mean we will NOT be independent, many independent countries in the world 'peg' their currency to another (usually the US Dollar). Apart from that we will have control over everything else! Ever heard of the McCrone report? it's clearly stated that if Scotland had it's own share of it's own EEZ, we'd have one of the strongest currencies in the world, and in a great position to lend heavily to England
@katoyushiromitsu For Gods sake, you honestly think that we will be poor. My friend, if you look at the world economy, the rich countries have certain things. They have a large EEZ with resources and potention resources, they have a skilled workforce, they actually MAKE stuff (like Germany) and they don't rely just on banks, (Like London). Scotlands has all these things in spades, shame you did not appreciate them as part of the Union, see ya, it's been emotional.
@dauntless111 England doesn't rely on banks, it was just London's financial district that poorly invested into countries and foreign banks (like spain and Italy). Infact if you look at it proportionality RBS was one of the biggest arbitrators, as they lent to SCOTTISH sub prime markets and grouped up bad investments in CDO's.
Scotlands biggest manufacture is probably BAE scottland? which is a british manufacture and would be against independents because its another layer of bureaucracy.
@katoyushiromitsu Mate, there are only about 2 million houses in Scotland, I don't think that was the cause of RBS's problems, it was actuially the London based, UK regulated, UK taxed investment arm of RBS which screwed things up.
Scotland has a variety of manufacturing companies, BAE is one of them, but not the largest. I think you'll find that an Independent Scotland will be very open to helping these companies to stay, probably even taxing them less.
@dauntless111 NO the financial crisis was founded in American and European Banks when investors started to group investments in CDO's (collateral debt obligations) and backing there investment on potential risk, over lending them money. In Europe the situation was caused by Greece basically borrowing like they were Germany (as Germany was in the euro) and making money like they were.. Greece.
Scotland cannot offer better tax breaks, Germany won't allow it, unless you want come out of the EU.
@TheLiberalKnight We will be dominated by a rich southern neighbour? you mean like Canada is dominated by the USA? because they ain't my good friend. In fact, Canada has the highest standard of living in the world. Just because you have 54 million people doesn't make you rich, it just means more mouths to feed and more dole cheques to cash (many of which Scotland currently helps pays for by the way).
French and Italian ship builders get money from their Governments, all ours are fucked! Pricks, all of them, the posh fucks seem to hate white british people, to think we used to rule a 1/3 of the world and be proud of it. Blair and Cameron, the destroyers of Briton, we all hate you.
Scotland should get out while they can, England is fucked, Labour have seen to that, Cameron and his band of pricks are the same, posh pricks that haven't a clue what normal people want. We give 12b to india so their people can shit in hole, but they buy a space ship and an aircraft carrier! All the p c and hr pricks need shooting.
Note, England was united as a country in the 10th Century, Scotland was united as a country in the 9th. Scotland is the oldest nation in Europe bar none.
@mynoon1999 British Empire? What century are you living in? Scotland gaining independence will have no tangible effect on your feelings of 'Britishness'. Our cultural & social union will easily survive political reforms. Did Norway's independence from Sweden make them feel any less Scandanavian? I don't think so. An independent Scotland will likely become the RUK's strongest ally, standing as equal partners on the world stage. I'm sorry to break it to you but the British Empire died long ago.
@markgr101 You are not the one who says if Scottish independence would effect me being British, and it would, there is not British culture just the island and they government the rules it, because of that I am British be if there no longer is a government that rules the whole of Britain I am no longer British. Scotland is 10% the economic and population size of England it would be the same as Ireland, infact more needy because of oil income. The Ideals of the Empire didn't.
@mynoon1999 Official figures from HM Treasury confirm that Scotland is a net contributor to the UK economy, so your notion of Scotland being "needy" is misguided, probably due to the constant unionist propaganda that people are spoon fed by the mainstream media. I for one consider myself both Scottish & British, and this won't change after independence. Did you honestly feel less British when Scotland got a devolved parliament? You think whatever you like.
@markgr101 I never said Scotland was needy, I said Scotland would be 10% the size of England, that isn't misguided, it is fact. So Scotland like Ireland would never economically be independence, England may get oil and gas from Scotland, plus a few other things. Who would keep ship building jobs in Scotland with no UK defence spending, do you even know how small the Scottish defence budget would be? Devolution isn't independence. And if Britain isn't united I am not British, unlike Scotland.
@mynoon1999 Economic prosperity has nothing to do with size. The wealthiest countries per capita in Europe right now are Leichtenstein & Luxembourg. Look it up! Twice you've mentioned Ireland, not realising that Ireland too is currently a wealthier country per capita than the UK. You mention defence, another budget that Scotland does not get it's fair share, so much so that Scotland could spend less than we do now proportionately & have an armed forces larger than other nations of similar size.
@markgr101 Scotland isn't as small as those 2 countries. Ireland's wealth is built on unfair nationalistic taxes and debt. What percentage of military spending is in Scotland?
@in3x How do you mean 1 billion is spend in Scotland, which about the carriers, submarines and destroyers? worth over 30 billion in 10 years. And the defence if of the whole UK and overseas territories, not just Scotland, why spend money where it isn't needed? I am one for increasing the defence budget, mainly in the navy, which Scotland is very good at, building ships. I wish we did spend more. But a independence Scotland proberly wouldn't spend more than to billion a year on the military.
@mynoon1999 Exactly, why would Scottish people want to spent 1.7 billion more than they have to? An independent Scotland wouldn't have to defend all of the UK's far flung possessions. Why exactly would you want to spend more money on the military? To do what exactly?
@in3x I said Scotland wouldn't spend more then 2 billion a year on the military, not 1 billion. Plus the amount spent on the military is now 2.3% of GDP, so Scotland will be putting in 2.3 billion, not 2.7, which is what I think the UK should spend on the military, mainly the navy to help internation policing and protect British trade, and make sure the UK will be a world power. And can defend our people where ever they are. So Scotland wouldn't want the Overseas territories then?
@mynoon1999 " But a independence Scotland proberly wouldn't spend more than to billion a year on the military." That is a direct quote from your earlier post on this video. Scotland does contribute 2.7 billion to UK defence according to government statistics. Even if we do your maths 2.3% of 145 billion is 3.4 billion not 2.3 billion. 2.3% does not directly translate in 2.3 billion. And no, Scotland would not want the overseas territories, just Scotland's own territory.
Scotland was and still is a distinct and separate nation. Independence is the absolute norm for any country - it wouldn't disadvantage us in Scotland in any way and similarly for those in England. It's time to call time on a 300 year experiment that's well past it's sell-by date. Independence for both Scotland and England is coming, expect it.
@KaneAlmsivi A great clip, Kane. I don't monitor Sky News, so I missed it. I'm delighted and grateful that you posted it, and i've embedded it in my blog today - a comment to Ipsos Mori on the polls. Thanks again!
@KaneAlmsivi What about those people that want to be British, that feel sick thinking about there nation being destoryed, what about them. What about me, you have your own culture and parliament, I would have nothing. Long Live the British Empire.
@mynoon1999 No-one in Scotland circa 1707 wanted to be "British". It was a dirty, underhand deal that didn't consider the people or their views. Times have changed and outlooks have changed. People in Scotland are no longer happy to be denigrated and insulted by people spreading untruths about Scotlands' contribution to the Union. We seek the right to pursue friendships and partnerships with the English, Irish, N. Irish and Welsh as equals with common interests - nothing more.
@KaneAlmsivi The problem is they wouldn't be equals, England would control Britain as it always did. And Scotland could do nothing about it. If you are Scottish you are British, it's the island we live on. Still you can't say Scotland didn't get anything from the union, I have never hear a British MP insult Scotland, but Salmond insults them all the time, he is a bastard. I hate him. But now you don't want to consider the views of all British people in deciding their future. Can you not see.
@mynoon1999 They are called the Britannic Isles. Britain is a hybrid of celtic and anglo-saxon heritage - it is not a country and never has been. It is a political machination dreamt up centuries ago to homogenise the constituent nations that form these isles. I am not British. I was born in Scotland to parents of Scots descent - I identify more with the Saltire and the highlands than with the Union Jack and the White City. Furthermore - you should not swear if you expect to be taken seriously.
@KaneAlmsivi Every body swears, just some don't do it on national TV, like when Salmond called Tony Blaire a Twat. So Salmond is a bastard and I hate him. The British isles include Ireland, I am just talking about Britain. There has been a Britain for the last 300 years or so, like the British empire. So I am British, but only if Britain is united. Are you for multicultralism? If so why not the 3 other British cultures. I indentify 100% with the British ideals. Long Live the British Empire!!!!!!
@KaneAlmsivi Really? What currency will Scotland use? What percentage of the debt will scotland take IT WILL NOT BE 9% because ENGLAND bailed out the Royal Bank Of Scotland.
If Scotland pulls out of the UK it will have to go into the Euro. So basically you will pull out and surrender your financial independence to Europe... Yea good idea.. Mr Salmond is an IDIOT for making people feel that there is a difference from being Scottish and English, we all live on the same island.
@katoyushiromitsu There is a massive difference between being Scottish & English. In Scotland, regardless of what we vote for - we have to accept what England wants. With only 59 Seats at Westminster versus England's 533 we can't even democratically resist the UK basing trident nuclear weapons in our country, nor can we prevent our economy from being devastated by UK monetary policies. The UK isn't benefiting Scotland, it's about high time you realised that.
@KaneAlmsivi You do realise that your biggest bank RBS was bailed out by England and the banking crisis was as prominent in Scotland Financial capital of Edinburgh as it was in London.
The entire going independent view is utterly unviable with British based companies normally operating across the UK employing both Scottish and English workers having there businesses complicated by another level of bureaucracy. The is no benefit to Scottish independence
I love how all these people who discovered for the first time last week that Scotland has a government still beleive themselves qualified make pronouncements involving the constitutional relation of Scotland and Scottish institutions to English ones.
Here's one benefit: we'll be governed by people we've actually elected instead of people Scotland has overwhelmingly and consistently rejected since before I was born.
@katoyushiromitsu And further, England doesn't own Sterling. The Bank of England was founded by a Scotsman! You can no more prevent Scotland from using Sterling than you can a Japanese tourist, so please - think before you open your mouth and spout off irreverent rubbish like that. Scotland will decide in due course which currency to adopt. Childish tantrums and playground threats like yours simply cheapen the debate.
@KaneAlmsivi Yes and the bank of Scotland was founded by an Englishman? This piece of information doesn't grant Scotland the ability to maintain its own currency. The pound sterling's wealth and gold reserves are held in England how will a new Scottish currency be financed?
And as for my nationality, I am a Japanese/British born in Hong Kong, I hold a Civil Engineering Degree from Edinburgh Uni and just passed my PMRC to enter the Royal Marine Commando's 32 weeks training.
"The pound sterling's wealth and gold reserves are held in England"
Ah, the song of the rugby-playing husband who believes being bigger and stronger and richer than his wife, and being the one holding the autoteller card entitles him to decide how the divorce settlement gets apportioned.
@harj2009 I know Scotland and England wouldn't have invaded Iraq or Libya they wouldn't have be able to. Libya was a good thing and the right thing even the SNP have no problem with it. Long Live the British Empire.
The uk people are made up of English, Irish, Scottish and welsh people's and no matter who has independence from each other we will always remain a bit ish of each other. We have always been a diverse group of islands and we should play to those strengths, respect.
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99% of council housing staff are white,giving priority housing to blacks,but when the white complains ,theyre labeled racists,my somalian drug dealing neighbour gets attacked in the STREET,hes offered 5 houses in one week,25th jan i get a gang of thugs barging into my HOUSE looking for another dealer in my close,my housing office turn a blind eye. dont want to know ,im the carer for my dad ,he lives on the other end of the city ive had doctors mps, social work supplying letters,so whos racist?
apes850 3 weeks ago
I only have one problem with scotland getting independance alex salmond will turn pound sterling into the euro
kicked123456 1 month ago
@kicked123456 Thats the same for me too
keithypops 1 month ago
@kicked123456 Not immediately, Scotland will wait until the time is right to join the Euro. In the meantime there is nothing wrong with using Scotlands own currency, the Pound. We don't need persmission to use it, it has always been Scotland's as well as the rest of the UK. Indeed, many reasons for the pound being so strong is due to the vast amount of resources the UK has, most of which is located in Scotland.
dauntless111 1 week ago
If Scotland was to become independent it would need to double it's economy with the loss of its subsidiary and tax breaks is not going to do that. because of the size of your economy I don't think Germany would allow you to do this if you were still part of the Europe.
UsefulBigIdiot 1 month ago
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Let US decide with ONE simple question on the issue salmond needs to tread a bit more carefully because when his twin humpty dumpty fell of the wall all the SNP couldnt put him back together either
quest1931 1 month ago
The aristocrats with money are just going to punch holes into this. you'll just get bombarded by ads. also enjoy not having the pound,even if you do have the pound you will not be able to control it. i can see independance lite happening,however.
menacinghat 1 month ago
Power to you Alex. Keep up the good work
TerryAshfields 1 month ago
when mr simon resigned from his post as snp leader some yrs ago the labour gov should hav given him retirment package and send him to cyprus.
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This one time I went to Scotland. It rained non-stop and was freezing cold. Everyone is overweight and has false teeth. All the men are transvestites and the women look like men. I was attacked by a swarm of midges and thrown out of a pub for saying that the Loch Ness monster didn't exist. Everyone is constantly drunk and there is a very high level of MS due to the horrible weather. I couldn't sleep at night due to the constant bagpipe noise. I am never going back.
karezza6 1 month ago
Alex Salmond is an Anglophobic tosser who is misleading the Scots.
ToonandBBfan 1 month ago
@ToonandBBfan what Anglophobic remarks did he make? in fact when has he EVER made an Anglophobic remark?
dauntless111 1 month ago
@dauntless111
He's never openly made an Anglophobic remark because he's a politician and their too clever to fall into that trap but his loathing of England will drive him to ruin his own country. Scotland will NOT be better off on its own. Independance may seem a nice idea on paper - in practice it wont work
ToonandBBfan 1 month ago
@ToonandBBfan and how do you know he 'tosses'? you been spying on people again?
dauntless111 1 month ago
Go on, vote for your independence. But I do hope you realise Alex Salmond is nothing more than an anti-English bigot who hasn't got a clue about politics, or what he will do after (if) he gets independence. He wants 16 year olds to vote because he knows the naive youngsters are his only chance.You would also be phased out of the pound sterling for the Euro. I know what I would rather be in...
MLSmartStuff 1 month ago
@MLSmartStuff An indepedeant scotland will have a referendum over the euro, ie ASKING THE PEOPLE not telling them. That is something that has been promised by tory and labour prime ministers in the past and never happend.
Upeter2 1 month ago
@MLSmartStuff Why the bitterness?
Where is the evidence that he is anti-English?
globaltraveller 1 month ago
@MLSmartStuff You sound bitter, do you really not want us to go? don't get emotional man, if you belive the hype, England(UK-) will be far better of without Scotland anyway....apparently.
dauntless111 1 month ago
Interesting how the two top comments are in full Support of Salmond, where as the majority of comments below are entirely against. Not saying conspiracy or anything but...ya know, weird.
StueyMack 1 month ago
@StueyMack Probably because recent events have brought more astroturfers and non-Scots to this video, whereas as previously viewers would have been Scots or Scottish Nationalists and thus previous comments would be more supportive.
There is no conspiracy.
globaltraveller 1 month ago
@StueyMack Most peple upvote the good comments dude, and if someone has already said it, no point in repeating ourselves is there? Scot's are efficient like that. :-)
dauntless111 1 month ago
I have no objection to whichever way the Scots vote... but the Scottish people MUST understand Salmond's true colours. He is not what he seems. Firstly he praises communist China, an authoritarian regime where freedom does not exist. Perhaps for those reasons, he wants Scotland in the EU. & Salmond is extremely corrupt. He is a liar, and is no more honest than Clegg or Cameron. He won't have the referendum now because he is afraid he'll lose it.
TheLiberalKnight 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight By that logic anyone who deals with China must be a bad person. NZ just did a free trade deal with China....NZ is not a bunch of communists. Good business is where you find it dude and whether you agree with China or not, they are doing business with the entire Western world. We can get left behind if you choose but what would be the point?
dauntless111 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight You are right though, if he held the referendum now, we'd lose. But not for the reasons you might think. We'd lose because Scot's have heard for decades over and over and over again that if we go it alone, we would fail. We have heard so many lies about the economy, many Scots might vote no out of doubt. It's going to take time to make people aware of the truth and undo some of these lies, that's why it's being held in 2014.
dauntless111 1 month ago
@dauntless111 Everyone knows that Scotland CAN make it alone. But what irritates me are stupid little Scottish children, who say that Scotland will be rich and furthermore richer than England! This is the height of stupidity. If you want to be independent, you need to come to terms with the fact that you will be dominated by a far richer and more powerful England, as you were in the medieval times. Scotland can make it alone, but you will be pretty poor.
TheLiberalKnight 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight It will be one of the poorest countries in the EU. The oil reserves the SNP claim to support Scotland will not fall into their territory since the Orkney Islands want to REMAIN in the UK.
What currency will Scotland use? If they leave they will need to find the reserves to back there own currency? This doesn't seem likely and Scotland would have to scum to the Euro.
katoyushiromitsu 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu If they use Pound Sterling, they will not be economically independent, because monetary policy would be decided in England & fiscal policy would have to follow England's in order to keep the currency stable. The EU will never accept their request to join the euro; why would they want another Portugal or Ireland? And making their own currency would take a while. It took Australia decades before they could leave Sterling.
TheLiberalKnight 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight then whats the point in going independent?
katoyushiromitsu 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu They want indepedence because a few nationalist nazis like Salmond are good with PR and have convinced most Scots that they are somehow freedom fighters, or pro-Scottish. He has a burning hatred of England and has used his PR skills to convince a lot of Scots that he is doing the best for Scotland. Instead, he wants Scotland, like Portgual, to be an EU satellite state. He is cynically unpatriotic and anti-Scottish.
TheLiberalKnight 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight Oh god so now the SNP are Nazi's? you talk about Nationalism like an American talks about Socialism, with fear and judgement! Nazi = Racist, SNP = Inclusive (multiracial) There are varying types of nationalism, you should look it up, but you'd rather stick to the only definition you know of and that's Nazi. good for you.
dauntless111 1 month ago
(contd.)
He [Bashir Ahmad SNP MSP] was the kindest, most decent human being it has ever been my pleasure to meet. And lastly, although he would have considered it to be first, he was the most patriotic of Scotsmen. He was a credit to both his faith and to his country
jistaface 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight Are you just blurting out anything from sheerignorant prejudice or do you KNOW you're repeating a total lie? Salmond on Bashir Ahmad, SNP MSP:
"Bashir was a man of enormous grace and respect, who brought the dignity of his faith to the very centre of our democratic process. Bashir made history by being the first Scots Asian MSP therefore giving the Scottish Parliament something indefinable. He made it representative of the whole country for the first time.
jistaface 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight
PS, anyone who's ever read the McCrone report can't fail to be shocked by its predatory cynicism and, if you're a Labour or Tory supporter, or perhaps just English, if you have any grace at all you'll bluch in shame.
When Scots read it, it makes us burn. A betrayal of the poorest kids in Europe, planning how to steal their birthright and keep on telling them they're living on England's handouts.
Wicki it: McCrone report. Scroll down to the searchable pdf.
jistaface 1 month ago
@jistaface Fine, if you believe that, become independent. You Scottish nationalists enjoy pretending that England is poorer than Scotland. Well, we only have to wait until you vote yes to be proven right. So, please vote yes. Long live Free England. We should keep our own fucking money, not give it to Scotland.
TheLiberalKnight 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight
Actually, I'm not a Scottish Nationalist. (Or I wasn't until last week when members of the Scottish Parliament made it so shockingly clear that even the LibDems & Labour ones are nothing other than puppets shamelessly represent the Tories in Holyrood and not the interests of the people who elected them.)
"We should keep our own fucking money" Is the knowledge that all your life you've been bankrolled by Scottish oil becoming a tad uncomfortable?
jistaface 1 month ago
@jistaface Listen here, you filthly pig. If your anti-English ass is so arrogant to believe that we NEED you, then by all means, become independent. We'll see who has the last laugh. I will enjoy watching Scotland get bailed out by the IMF.
TheLiberalKnight 1 month ago
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@TheLiberalKnight "Listen here, you filthly pig. If your anti-English ass is so arrogant to believe that we NEED you"
You do know that anger is commonly based on fear? You seem to have such confused feelings about Scotland. You've become angry because...why? There is a big desire in a small country to move towards a more autonomous future? I certainly am not anti-English. (In fact settled there for some years with an English partner.)
Why this childish anger and spite?
jistaface 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight just because we will 'peg' our pound to the UK pound doesn't mean we will NOT be independent, many independent countries in the world 'peg' their currency to another (usually the US Dollar). Apart from that we will have control over everything else! Ever heard of the McCrone report? it's clearly stated that if Scotland had it's own share of it's own EEZ, we'd have one of the strongest currencies in the world, and in a great position to lend heavily to England
dauntless111 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu For Gods sake, you honestly think that we will be poor. My friend, if you look at the world economy, the rich countries have certain things. They have a large EEZ with resources and potention resources, they have a skilled workforce, they actually MAKE stuff (like Germany) and they don't rely just on banks, (Like London). Scotlands has all these things in spades, shame you did not appreciate them as part of the Union, see ya, it's been emotional.
dauntless111 1 month ago
@dauntless111 England doesn't rely on banks, it was just London's financial district that poorly invested into countries and foreign banks (like spain and Italy). Infact if you look at it proportionality RBS was one of the biggest arbitrators, as they lent to SCOTTISH sub prime markets and grouped up bad investments in CDO's.
Scotlands biggest manufacture is probably BAE scottland? which is a british manufacture and would be against independents because its another layer of bureaucracy.
katoyushiromitsu 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu Mate, there are only about 2 million houses in Scotland, I don't think that was the cause of RBS's problems, it was actuially the London based, UK regulated, UK taxed investment arm of RBS which screwed things up.
Scotland has a variety of manufacturing companies, BAE is one of them, but not the largest. I think you'll find that an Independent Scotland will be very open to helping these companies to stay, probably even taxing them less.
dauntless111 1 month ago
@dauntless111 NO the financial crisis was founded in American and European Banks when investors started to group investments in CDO's (collateral debt obligations) and backing there investment on potential risk, over lending them money. In Europe the situation was caused by Greece basically borrowing like they were Germany (as Germany was in the euro) and making money like they were.. Greece.
Scotland cannot offer better tax breaks, Germany won't allow it, unless you want come out of the EU.
katoyushiromitsu 1 month ago
@TheLiberalKnight We will be dominated by a rich southern neighbour? you mean like Canada is dominated by the USA? because they ain't my good friend. In fact, Canada has the highest standard of living in the world. Just because you have 54 million people doesn't make you rich, it just means more mouths to feed and more dole cheques to cash (many of which Scotland currently helps pays for by the way).
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ScottishRepublican 1 month ago
Sky News is becoming more like Fox News everyday. Lets keep this Murdoch style of reporting with bias out of Britain.
MrDickWarrior 1 month ago
French and Italian ship builders get money from their Governments, all ours are fucked! Pricks, all of them, the posh fucks seem to hate white british people, to think we used to rule a 1/3 of the world and be proud of it. Blair and Cameron, the destroyers of Briton, we all hate you.
stonerosesphil 3 months ago
Scotland should get out while they can, England is fucked, Labour have seen to that, Cameron and his band of pricks are the same, posh pricks that haven't a clue what normal people want. We give 12b to india so their people can shit in hole, but they buy a space ship and an aircraft carrier! All the p c and hr pricks need shooting.
stonerosesphil 3 months ago
Note, England was united as a country in the 10th Century, Scotland was united as a country in the 9th. Scotland is the oldest nation in Europe bar none.
KaneAlmsivi 4 months ago 16
@KaneAlmsivi Note that a Scottish king united Britain. Long Live the British Empire.
What about Bulgaria 681 AD? Or France 486 AD?
mynoon1999 4 months ago
@mynoon1999 British Empire? What century are you living in? Scotland gaining independence will have no tangible effect on your feelings of 'Britishness'. Our cultural & social union will easily survive political reforms. Did Norway's independence from Sweden make them feel any less Scandanavian? I don't think so. An independent Scotland will likely become the RUK's strongest ally, standing as equal partners on the world stage. I'm sorry to break it to you but the British Empire died long ago.
markgr101 4 months ago
@markgr101 You are not the one who says if Scottish independence would effect me being British, and it would, there is not British culture just the island and they government the rules it, because of that I am British be if there no longer is a government that rules the whole of Britain I am no longer British. Scotland is 10% the economic and population size of England it would be the same as Ireland, infact more needy because of oil income. The Ideals of the Empire didn't.
mynoon1999 4 months ago
@mynoon1999 Official figures from HM Treasury confirm that Scotland is a net contributor to the UK economy, so your notion of Scotland being "needy" is misguided, probably due to the constant unionist propaganda that people are spoon fed by the mainstream media. I for one consider myself both Scottish & British, and this won't change after independence. Did you honestly feel less British when Scotland got a devolved parliament? You think whatever you like.
markgr101 3 months ago
@markgr101 I never said Scotland was needy, I said Scotland would be 10% the size of England, that isn't misguided, it is fact. So Scotland like Ireland would never economically be independence, England may get oil and gas from Scotland, plus a few other things. Who would keep ship building jobs in Scotland with no UK defence spending, do you even know how small the Scottish defence budget would be? Devolution isn't independence. And if Britain isn't united I am not British, unlike Scotland.
mynoon1999 3 months ago
@mynoon1999 Economic prosperity has nothing to do with size. The wealthiest countries per capita in Europe right now are Leichtenstein & Luxembourg. Look it up! Twice you've mentioned Ireland, not realising that Ireland too is currently a wealthier country per capita than the UK. You mention defence, another budget that Scotland does not get it's fair share, so much so that Scotland could spend less than we do now proportionately & have an armed forces larger than other nations of similar size.
markgr101 3 months ago
@markgr101 Scotland isn't as small as those 2 countries. Ireland's wealth is built on unfair nationalistic taxes and debt. What percentage of military spending is in Scotland?
mynoon1999 3 months ago
@mynoon1999 Scotland pay approx 2.7 billion into the defence pot for the UK. 1 Billion is spent in Scotland.
in3x 2 months ago
@in3x How do you mean 1 billion is spend in Scotland, which about the carriers, submarines and destroyers? worth over 30 billion in 10 years. And the defence if of the whole UK and overseas territories, not just Scotland, why spend money where it isn't needed? I am one for increasing the defence budget, mainly in the navy, which Scotland is very good at, building ships. I wish we did spend more. But a independence Scotland proberly wouldn't spend more than to billion a year on the military.
mynoon1999 2 months ago
@mynoon1999 Exactly, why would Scottish people want to spent 1.7 billion more than they have to? An independent Scotland wouldn't have to defend all of the UK's far flung possessions. Why exactly would you want to spend more money on the military? To do what exactly?
in3x 2 months ago
@in3x I said Scotland wouldn't spend more then 2 billion a year on the military, not 1 billion. Plus the amount spent on the military is now 2.3% of GDP, so Scotland will be putting in 2.3 billion, not 2.7, which is what I think the UK should spend on the military, mainly the navy to help internation policing and protect British trade, and make sure the UK will be a world power. And can defend our people where ever they are. So Scotland wouldn't want the Overseas territories then?
mynoon1999 2 months ago
@mynoon1999 " But a independence Scotland proberly wouldn't spend more than to billion a year on the military." That is a direct quote from your earlier post on this video. Scotland does contribute 2.7 billion to UK defence according to government statistics. Even if we do your maths 2.3% of 145 billion is 3.4 billion not 2.3 billion. 2.3% does not directly translate in 2.3 billion. And no, Scotland would not want the overseas territories, just Scotland's own territory.
in3x 2 months ago
@KaneAlmsivi
Age isn't everything, if Scotland disappeared in the night, the World would never notice.
codownni 1 month ago
@codownni yet another reason to raise our level on the world stage, clearly the UK has not done that for us.
dauntless111 1 month ago
@dauntless111
"World stage"? You mean a third rate non-Country controlled either by England or the E.U? Yeah, go for it.
codownni 1 month ago
@KaneAlmsivi And we conquered the world together.
StueyMack 1 month ago
Richard - It's folk like you with opinions like yours that make it inevitable. Keep it up mate.
TheLiviFlash 4 months ago
Independence Is Inevitable!
TheLiviFlash 4 months ago 2
Scotland was and still is a distinct and separate nation. Independence is the absolute norm for any country - it wouldn't disadvantage us in Scotland in any way and similarly for those in England. It's time to call time on a 300 year experiment that's well past it's sell-by date. Independence for both Scotland and England is coming, expect it.
KaneAlmsivi 4 months ago 26
@KaneAlmsivi A great clip, Kane. I don't monitor Sky News, so I missed it. I'm delighted and grateful that you posted it, and i've embedded it in my blog today - a comment to Ipsos Mori on the polls. Thanks again!
TAofMoridura 4 months ago
@KaneAlmsivi What about those people that want to be British, that feel sick thinking about there nation being destoryed, what about them. What about me, you have your own culture and parliament, I would have nothing. Long Live the British Empire.
mynoon1999 4 months ago
@mynoon1999 No-one in Scotland circa 1707 wanted to be "British". It was a dirty, underhand deal that didn't consider the people or their views. Times have changed and outlooks have changed. People in Scotland are no longer happy to be denigrated and insulted by people spreading untruths about Scotlands' contribution to the Union. We seek the right to pursue friendships and partnerships with the English, Irish, N. Irish and Welsh as equals with common interests - nothing more.
KaneAlmsivi 4 months ago
@KaneAlmsivi The problem is they wouldn't be equals, England would control Britain as it always did. And Scotland could do nothing about it. If you are Scottish you are British, it's the island we live on. Still you can't say Scotland didn't get anything from the union, I have never hear a British MP insult Scotland, but Salmond insults them all the time, he is a bastard. I hate him. But now you don't want to consider the views of all British people in deciding their future. Can you not see.
mynoon1999 4 months ago
@mynoon1999 They are called the Britannic Isles. Britain is a hybrid of celtic and anglo-saxon heritage - it is not a country and never has been. It is a political machination dreamt up centuries ago to homogenise the constituent nations that form these isles. I am not British. I was born in Scotland to parents of Scots descent - I identify more with the Saltire and the highlands than with the Union Jack and the White City. Furthermore - you should not swear if you expect to be taken seriously.
KaneAlmsivi 4 months ago
@KaneAlmsivi Every body swears, just some don't do it on national TV, like when Salmond called Tony Blaire a Twat. So Salmond is a bastard and I hate him. The British isles include Ireland, I am just talking about Britain. There has been a Britain for the last 300 years or so, like the British empire. So I am British, but only if Britain is united. Are you for multicultralism? If so why not the 3 other British cultures. I indentify 100% with the British ideals. Long Live the British Empire!!!!!!
mynoon1999 4 months ago
@KaneAlmsivi An experiment that was the greatest success story in the human race's history.
TheLiberalKnight 1 month ago
@KaneAlmsivi Really? What currency will Scotland use? What percentage of the debt will scotland take IT WILL NOT BE 9% because ENGLAND bailed out the Royal Bank Of Scotland.
If Scotland pulls out of the UK it will have to go into the Euro. So basically you will pull out and surrender your financial independence to Europe... Yea good idea.. Mr Salmond is an IDIOT for making people feel that there is a difference from being Scottish and English, we all live on the same island.
katoyushiromitsu 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu There is a massive difference between being Scottish & English. In Scotland, regardless of what we vote for - we have to accept what England wants. With only 59 Seats at Westminster versus England's 533 we can't even democratically resist the UK basing trident nuclear weapons in our country, nor can we prevent our economy from being devastated by UK monetary policies. The UK isn't benefiting Scotland, it's about high time you realised that.
KaneAlmsivi 1 month ago
@KaneAlmsivi You do realise that your biggest bank RBS was bailed out by England and the banking crisis was as prominent in Scotland Financial capital of Edinburgh as it was in London.
The entire going independent view is utterly unviable with British based companies normally operating across the UK employing both Scottish and English workers having there businesses complicated by another level of bureaucracy. The is no benefit to Scottish independence
katoyushiromitsu 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu
I love how all these people who discovered for the first time last week that Scotland has a government still beleive themselves qualified make pronouncements involving the constitutional relation of Scotland and Scottish institutions to English ones.
Here's one benefit: we'll be governed by people we've actually elected instead of people Scotland has overwhelmingly and consistently rejected since before I was born.
jistaface 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu And further, England doesn't own Sterling. The Bank of England was founded by a Scotsman! You can no more prevent Scotland from using Sterling than you can a Japanese tourist, so please - think before you open your mouth and spout off irreverent rubbish like that. Scotland will decide in due course which currency to adopt. Childish tantrums and playground threats like yours simply cheapen the debate.
KaneAlmsivi 1 month ago
@KaneAlmsivi Yes and the bank of Scotland was founded by an Englishman? This piece of information doesn't grant Scotland the ability to maintain its own currency. The pound sterling's wealth and gold reserves are held in England how will a new Scottish currency be financed?
And as for my nationality, I am a Japanese/British born in Hong Kong, I hold a Civil Engineering Degree from Edinburgh Uni and just passed my PMRC to enter the Royal Marine Commando's 32 weeks training.
katoyushiromitsu 1 month ago
@katoyushiromitsu
"The pound sterling's wealth and gold reserves are held in England"
Ah, the song of the rugby-playing husband who believes being bigger and stronger and richer than his wife, and being the one holding the autoteller card entitles him to decide how the divorce settlement gets apportioned.
So deluded.
jistaface 1 month ago
a separate scotland would not invade libya,iraq and support adam werrity
harj2009 4 months ago
@harj2009 I know Scotland and England wouldn't have invaded Iraq or Libya they wouldn't have be able to. Libya was a good thing and the right thing even the SNP have no problem with it. Long Live the British Empire.
mynoon1999 4 months ago
thanks for that.
hertblue 4 months ago