Filipino Dumog Techniques

[xiaolung111]

huh? hahaha... laftrip .45

[cinnabarpalm]

Rommel would cut any of you doubters on here into tiny shreds ..have some respect

[el1j4h]

i tried dumog 2-4 times.. it needs speed and a basic arnis or kali knowledge.. a good stand up defense with striking offense.. dan inosanto is a filipino and a good friend of bruce lee.. unfortunately, flipinos don't know dumog which we are to be proud of a friend of mine in california trains dumog and arnis and some western people loves it.. practically dumog is effective in street fighting, knife fighting and defending yourself with multiple enemies

[necessitto]

dumog literally means "smother"

[Anodonomi464]

all pilipino martial arts, not actually extinct but practise by foreign countries not the filipino it self

[KAZUSHIKIMINOUE]

@Anodonomi464 Master Inosanto said it himself in one of the vids here on YT. He said that it was brought here by old pinoys keeping it in practice in garages, but nobody back in PI except small areas kept it alive. All the Japanese and Korean arts took root and popularity because of the American military.

[stanleymims]

good video man ,good speed to

[Angriffer]

if everybody fights at such speed, i'd be utterly invulnerable!

[carlopaulpp]

aaaaghh! ka linti ah! Dumog man! Dumog???!!!!

sure! like we have that here in the Philippines.. dumog man!

The dumog i see in this video is like Wing CHun mixed in w/ jiu-jitsu locking techniques.. what Filipino Dumog your showing there? NONE!

[carlopaulpp]

another make believe Filipino Dumog? and yeah! coupled with made up histories of ancient tribal Filipino Dumog yeah right!

iyot! into-a pa kame to!!! u want me to translate this in English? (FUCK! TRY TO FOOL US!) there!

bilatsing mga HUSTLER wla gid lang DUmog dri sa aton ah.. Styling para diskarte sa mga foreingers kunu,, HUO!!! bule eh!

[mylesreybrok]

try to do that to me... LOL

[zxcvbnmbsbs]

wtf is the other guy doing? trying to hug or what? dumog is the process of trapping the hands then go to the control. i don't see any hands trapping or even any strikes, all u did was some submission technique against an alive "man dummy", that ain't dumog

[mojoptk]

Geez, its a beginning training feed, 52 seconds focusing on one combinations. Get a grip!

[NightHawk451]

this is muay thai + wrestling= dumog very effective

[actionmanrandell]

dude the filipeno martial arts has been out alot longer then muay thai

[mitosho]

Buno is used in tagalog as another term for "fight". Dumog is the visayan term for that. Sometimes, it's also called "away" in visayan. There is no art name for it. Westerners just like to call a system by a specific name. We don't have that concept in Philippines. Just like what you call Kali, nobody in Phils knew that name until Fil-americans started calling it that. In Phils, it was more known as Arnis to visayans. I dont know about tagalogs.

[ABBIODISK]

They call it yarian or banatan or simply batutaan or yet hampasan

[M45trKLLr]

Those were some unrealistic entries the training partner was feeding. At least be close enough to hit his face so he can get the proper timing down.

[estupendou]

fffffffffffffffffffff

[gtabully30]

what is dumog

[miyako73]

Buno and Dumog are one and the same-- Philippine Wrestling. I am a filipino historian/anthropologist. I know what a sound research looks like.

Not only did Balagtas write it, Rizal, the national hero of the Philippines, wrote about it. He trained in buno, sikaran, suntukan, arnis, fencing (for western warrior masculinity), and shooting (for precise markmanship).

[wallenp]

They can mean the same if you are comparing Katagalugan and Visayan regions. But if you are strickly speaking of the katagalugan area. They are different. Buno is wrestling, while Dumog deals with multiple opponents. Together with Kuyog (fighting together), they form the triangle of Mass Combat.

[kmelliza]

"larong buno't arnis na kinakitaan ng kani-kaniyang liksi't karunungan." - Florante at Laura, Balagtas.

I'm sure Larong "Buno" is a pangalan.. a noun. This line just shows there is an existing game called Buno. In which these two games along with it Arnis is being specified in this line as something that shows how knowledgable and good at fighting the subjects is/are.

[see6560562]

CAUSE THIS IS FROM Akido

[Hagurus]

are those dumog counters against GJJ shoots?

[jedoza]

and how come Jose Rizal did not study this if this is really a curriculum of arnis? Rizal practiced jujutsu, arnis, fencing, and boxing, but no mention of an indigenous Filipino grappling system. It's obvious that this is a recent invention.

[kmelliza]

For those who doubt the history of dumog as an ancient filipino form of wrestling.

The Filipino writer Francisco Balagtas had already mentioned Arnis and Buno (Harimaw Buno or Dumog)as the art of a character in his novel Florante at Laura which was written in 1838.

[jedoza]

i didn't know that balagtas met with the mangyans. or maybe he just went to laguna.

[jedoza]

balagtas is from bulacan, harimaw buno is supposedly from mindoro (provided, baet's fancy story is true), and dumog is supposedly from panay. i'm from bulacan and i've never met a single old person who knows any pinoy grappling technique. and even if this is pure pinoy, these techniques are still butt. too contrived.

[kmelliza]

They even call it Dumog in Mindanao. Basically it is in all major islands of the Philippines. Harimaw Buno (Dumog) is the same.

[jedoza]

According to its own site, harimaw buno originated from the mangyans of mindoro and was not taught to any outsider except grandmaster baet. He even wrote a book about it. Its techniques look like a cross between kungfu and jujutsu with animal mimicking followed by grappling moves. Dumog is supposedly from the panay region. Its techniques are different as you can see. Their supposed origins prove that they are not the same.

[kmelliza]

Even Ifugao tribesmen have their own type of Dumog. I don't know much about Mindoro Harimaw Buno, But obviously these wrestling systems are all over the Philippines. If you say that Mangyan Harimaw Buno is different from the Dumog of Panay that is expected. Even Arnis de mano styles from different communities have different techniques. But dumog and harimaw buno always share this component as the wrestling form of Arnis De mano.

[jedoza]

supposedly. i don't even believe these stories not because i refuse to believe, i just find it hard to believe. go to google video and type harimaw buno demo. you'll see its founder demonstrating the techniques supposedly taught to him by the mangyans. strangely, they look more like a mix of tiger and monkey kungfu, aikido, and jujutsu. we don't even have tigers in the philippines! another thing, arnis doesn't have a grappling system because we're a knife and bolo/kris country.

[kmelliza]

Maybe you doubt Gat Abon Baet, But why not ask Ifugao tribesmen on how long have they practicing Bultong Ifugao Dumog.

[jedoza]

Maybe you should ask yourself how trustworthy oral history is.

[kmelliza]

Even if it's oral history, I doubt the Ifugao's would say that their Dumog came from Ju Jitsu or something else. Are those tribes really that exposed to foreign martial arts decades ago? I think, not at all.

[jedoza]

i didn' say that. i don't even think it exists. and even if it does, will it work. show us something, buddy.

[bullethead2008]

You're a fucking idiot Hahahaha!!. All grappling arts will look similar in a way because human joints are the same all over the world. You pull or push someone off balance, it'll works the same way regardless of who they are. So stop thinking your BJJ or whatever the fuck your doing is "unique". What makes systems different is emphasis and application. But you didn't know what because you're too busy sucking the sweat off of your jujitsu teacher's balls to know anything else.

[jedoza]

our knife and stick techniques are the best in the world, but the above sucks talaga.

[kmelliza]

First off, basics palang yang nakikita mo. And it was done in slow motion for educational purposes. You haven't seen the advanced part of this particular Dumog yet. I've seen a different style of Dumog before and I have to say it's much more devastating than most grappling techniques I've seen. And also there are some Dumog styles out there that has uniques grappling and counter grappling techniques too.

[jedoza]

I've seen enough dumog in other sources as well; I'm not referring to your video alone. Ang dali mo pala mamangha. What do you mean "devastating"? Dun na ba namemeasure ang effectiveness ng isang martial arts sa pagiging "devastating" nya? A person in combat is not that submissive. You can dumog your students, but not judokas or bjj practitioners.

[kmelliza]

The problem is... The particular Dumog that I've seen is something that I would bet you haven't seen yet. I've never seen it on the net too. I don't mean any disrespect to other Grappling styles. But it's just in my observation that the particular dumog I've seen is much more effective in my point of view. It's something that I would call "Dirty wrestling". Something you can't do as Sports.

[jedoza]

it's easy to concoct a "dirty" or "devastating" art once you know the basics of any other art. just look at what the gracies did to kano jujutsu or judo. most of the dumogs techniques taught in the phil are "cannibalized" from judo. remember that pinoys corrupted judo and called it "combat" judo? they also did that to aikido and called it "combat" aikido which is now called tapondo. look at ernesto presas. the knife defense techs he teaches are jujutsu techs, but its part of his arnis.

[kmelliza]

Two generations of masters of that Dumog that I told you before never learned Jujitsu, Aikido, Nor Judo. They came from the rurals and this art was never exposed to foreign martial artists. In fact that Dumog I told you before doesn't move anything like Ju Jitsu, Judo, Aikido and Greco-Roman Wrestling.

[jedoza]

Maybe you can show us. From what I've seen so far, none of these concoctions is applicable in combat.

[kmelliza]

I'm not the Dumog practitioner here. I was talking about someone elses style whom I witnessed he performed. Have you tried sparring against a Dumog practitioner? How sure are you it's not applicable in combat?

[jedoza]

wow, you talk big for a guy who's not even a practitioner. wala ka naman palang alam e. why don't you try your dumog on me to find out? a friendly sparring session wouldn't hurt.

it's also funny how you mentioned so many art that you don't even practice. you even mentioned balagtas. where is this buno that balagtas is talking bout? show us something, buddy.

[kmelliza]

Yes, I'm not a practitioner of Dumog but I am an Arnisador. I am close to someone who really knew Buno. So I can't show you Dumog.

Yes I mentioned other martial arts here, for comparison w/ dumog. But I never underestimated them. I'm just trying to say that dumog is different.

How should I know what type of Dumog Balagtas knew? But to read his book Florante at Laura should be enough evidence that he did knew this martial art. We are talking about evidence dating back to 18th century.

[jedoza]

Balagtas mentioned buno; not dumog. con-martial artists jumped to the conclusion that it is some sort of ancient grappling art, but semantically it can simply mean fighting, in tagalog pakikipagbuno. But suppose he is indeed talking bout the art, where is it then? Balagtas is from Bulacan; so am I. Tell me where I can find a buno practitioner here, buddy. People like you who are quick to jump into conclusions are perfect for spreading lies and spurious histories. Nuf said.

[kmelliza]

Buno or Harimaw Buno are very similar to other native wrestling styles called dumog. I assume that is their basis why they refer to it as the same but was tagged differently due to local languages. Besides that Buno, Dumog are trained after learning the way of the weapons in Arnis De Mano. About Balagtas' Buno. What do you think it is? Have you read the lines in his Book?

[kmelliza]

I'm not the Dumog practitioner here. I was talking about someone elses style whom I witnessed he performed. Have you tried sparring against a Dumog practitioner? How sure are you it's not applicable in combat?

[jedoza]

how come this dumog only appeared after dan inosanto and leo gaje began talking about it?

if this is really pinoy, why would the Philippine Constabulary teach judo to the soldiers instead of this? my instructor's father was a judo instructor to the PC way back.

[fig3614]

Is the taller person that is demonstrating named Mike Pana?

[AKAj7inoyZz]

nice vid pilipino ba ka yo

[xenomaniaccc]

doing it in "fast-mo" will not make these techniques anymore effective.

[kmelliza]

Andami ko naman nababasa na bad comments dito... Pero para dun sa mga nagbibigay ng bad comments. Alam nyo ba kung paano humawak ang mga dumog practitioner?

[romkazoo1234]

Ang bobo ninyo!! mga isip lasing!!

anu kala mo sa kalaban mo, di gumagalaw!?

Gong2x!! tau nalang kaya mag sparring, tingnan natin kung ma-apply mo yang technique mo..ulol!!

[benchbody2]

I am not sure if this guy knows who he's working with.

My respect to Mr. Rommell for being so humble. Do you know how the fish got fried in a hot oil? Well, HE opened his mouth.

[gatorlandkali]

Bench,

I want to know who got fried. Details pare. One thing I'd like to add on this and not disrepecting any BJJs here... but your system is not in peril here. I worked with a BJJ practitioner and he's more convinced than anything he learned from BJJ because of bone breaking techniques. I'd like to see a BJJ in Manila to attend a Dumog drills and tell me what you see when you tasted the dumog... not the sports but the dumog for survival.

[danmarino1970]

common sense equation... 260 lb. linebacker + 180 lb. braz/jap ju jits = 10' x 3' box with pillow for the later. The point in ending a fight is to end it right away dumog/ nuay thai give you this option without having to prove your and idiot on the ground  Theory.... hit and run...survive.

[kiaokiao]

oohhhh my god. ano to?? hindi nmn to self defense. kainis. not effective at all. kahit saang angle. kainis. kahiya to.

[mylesreybrok]

tanga e2 sa video 00:25 / 00:49 mga abnormal .. pwede ka naman umikot dyan... syet ... ang tatanga nyo.. sparing nalang tau... pustahan... yan art nyong pang bata v.s gracie jiu jitsu... mga gag0 walang ya nag post pa kau ng video

[KrisParagas]

cge tayo!na kaka hiya ka.you're a whore to the brazillian and japanese!

[mylesreybrok]

Mga bob0... ano makuha nyo d2... ehh d mo e2 magagamit sa street fight.. d naman marunong mag grab kalaban mo .. sira ulo... pano kng double leg ginamit.. ang tatanga ng mga taong e2...

gracie jiu jitsu rules!!

[myownschadenfreude]

Nice drill work. Not wise to go "full bore" when building a new skill set.

[RenegadeMonk]

Okay guys, I see that this video sparked some debate. The reason why it's done at slow-speed and with compliance is because it is intended for EDUCATIONAL purposes. If we were to do it at full speed, no one would be able to see the techniques for their own enrichment. Buwayaman's right. One needs to train at full-speed in an alive setting. However, considering the fact that few people have seen Filipino wrestling, they need to at see what the basic techniques look like in slow-motion.

[buwayaman]

If you want to grapple effectively you need to know how to deal with impact...nobody's gonna hang in midair waiting for you to use your killing neck cranks....lol. Train with intention, let your partner try to grab take you down for real and learn how to deal with impact... Remember what happened at URCC 2: Night of Champions if you want to get my point.

[sinistertoo]

You must be inclined in ring-fight situation. Dumog is not - I repeat, not for ring-fight, UFC, URCC, or Pride for your information. It is for the purpose of survival in the streets, assualt and in someone or few people will tag you out. Would you grapple a person on the streets while there are few friends of your opponent watching? Your idea of grappling is for sports... dumog is not for sports but for survival any means possible. Get my point also?

[buwayaman]

Very compliant...no intention....worst dumog I've ever seen.

[sinistertoo]

Obviously you're not seeing the point of the drills... If the intention of putting the guy crack bones, twisting the arms or putting the guy down curling himself with pain, he could have done it squarely but the purpose of the drill is to see what will happen if there is intent. Let's see if you can do that idea of yours to Mel Tortal in real intentions. I would be interesting if you experience it yourself... I mean with intent!

[kdmunn]

Wonderful stuff.

[jojeng04]

bulok to. mga inosente lang maniniwala dito. hindi ganyan ang dumog.

[sinistertoo]

Jojeng04,

I'd advice you to visit Mel Tortal's HQ and see for yourself... you just good at yapping. Back your statement and prove them wrong if you have the guts, bro!

[dekiti]

Where is Mel Tortal's Headquarter?

[sinistertoo]

If you're in Manila, look him up in White Plains or the Force Marine Recon HQ and ask them where to find him.

[zangetsujoo]

where can you learn kali? or buy dvds?

[silence1sucks]

dvds off bit torrent, try anything with inosanto in the name, where can you learn kali? that depends look around for a kali or jkd/kali academy or class depends where you are.

[madturkfy]

good clip! l have kali dvds to trade including dumog! any1 wanna trade dvds get in touch!

[appacana]

havent you heard about eskrima and most of iglesia are black belts? lol

[javs53]

wow!!!i have lived in the philippines for 17 years i did not even know that there are filipino martial arts out there.

[flip4life7]

Awesome. I would like to see more videos on dumog. Mabuhay ang Kali!

[pbxgod]

Is that Rommel Tortal thats feeding?

[RenegadeMonk]

Yes it is.

[mosbysmen]

more video please

[FlipzArmy]

@Polishpaul , Thas why u dont mess with Pinoys , lol jk

[polishpaul]

Dumog is scary... I learned a few things and it makes my hair stand up and my spine quiver... some of those breaks are nasty.

[fightingmink]

Finally, some dumog!!