Toccata Widor

[HONGYOUNGEUN]

really fast!! i can't hear some notes.

[marvire]

Demasiado rápido para mi gusto; hay que hacer música... malabares al circo.

[notredameswarrior1]

for a 1999 recording this isnt bad. and its at the right speed. i like it at this speed.

[fdh1004]

Wow. It's really zippy!

[mozartsalzburg]

Awful. Is this organ playing or table football playing? Who's this football player?

[SergioBonf]

Too fast. My Lord...

[JMillerBayRidge]

Wow...I love this arrangement!

[allezach]

He is playing too fast for the venue. The organist, in my judgment, needs to pace this peace according to the resonance time of the church. I have heard it played in Paris at what at first seemed a very slow pace, until I realized what the organist was up to. In this performance the notes get all jumbled because of the very long resonance time in that church. Undoubtedly he is a very good organist, but I am afraid just showing off a bit here.

It's actually not all that difficult a piece.

[joom14]

Nee, het is niet beautifull, het is een organist die zonder enige opleiding zichzelf goed weet te verkopen. That´s all..

[starbreez3]

Well I guess I'd be afraid to play that organ, it looks so, so powerful, it's like living thing inside that cathedral.

[acetone1090]

Een bekende uitspraak van Widor was: Snelheid bederft alles!

[ArieVisker]

tempo is mischien iets te snel, maar valt wel mee hoor, zeker als je het gaat vergelijken met Bisch.

Wat wel te luid lijkt zijn de 32v registers. Die gaan over de melodie heen lijkt het wel, maar kan ook aan de microfoon liggen.

[Trehclem]

Zucht... de zoveelste bevestiging dat deze man geen literatuur kan spelen en daarmee ons in het buitenland ook niet populairder maakt...

[Hillsproductions09]

@Trehclem Dat kan ie wel degelijk hoor. Er zijn op YouTube ook opnames van Martin Mans te vinden waar hij bijvoorbeeld Bach speelt. En dan bedoel ik niet dit soort sneltreinvaart herrie. Jammer dat hij zo nodig populair moet doen, want hij kan echt beter! Zoek maar eens naar Preludium en Fuga in C bijvoorbeeld...

[joom14]

Bah, wat een goedkope rotzooi zeg!

[joebobshouse]

Too fast! Faster than A. Newman, even. Everyone has to have a gimmick, I guess. Nice acoustic in that space, eh - everyone?

[petervdzwaag]

Widor draait zich om in zijn graf...

[silverstartrucker]

Inferior sound recording equipment.

[rudly]

Also tooooooo fast,in my opinion

[doctordrew66]

Waaay to fast. Certainly

[machoman0809]

@rudly You know who diana bish is?

she play's it faster. she's one of the graetests organ player of the world.

Martin Mans is a very good organ player and an artist here in holland

[OHhooverpoof]

The first time I heard this played on the Wash. Natl. Cath. organ, I had to smoke a ciggie after it was over!!! BRILLIANT music!!!

[kromhoorn]

heerlijk tempo! niet dat cleane, academische geleuter!

[Hillsproductions09]

Martin is een prima organist, maar dit is toch wel teleurstellend hoor......

Veel te snel. Je had ook een trein later kunnen nemen......

[machoman0809]

@Hillsproductions09 Bullshit.

Is helemaal niet te snel.

Hoop dat je diana bish kent.

Speelt het nog sneller

[kromhoorn]

geweldige uitvoering! niet dat academische, langzame gedoe!

[FeikeAsmaFan]

Ronduit schittend stuk, maar Mr. Mans moet er weer op Autobahnsnelheid overheen knallen....

Jammer, dit kan veel rustiger.

Martin, sneller is echt niet altijd beter of mooier!

[machoman0809]

@FeikeAsmaFan is gewoon lekker tempo zo en helemaal niet te snel.Als jij zo'n feike asma fan bent dan kijk maar even hoe feike hem speelt.

Tempo is prima en feike asma ramt er misschien nog wel sneller doorheen.

[MrAlex413x]

very nice !

is the 32" used here ? any1

[kromhoorn]

eind december eindejaarsconcert in de st eustache en de la madeleine door jan vayne en martin mans!

[caranthir81]

Martin Wals, verschrikkelijk.......

Honkietonkie pianissie op je sinaasappelkissie speel maar verder........

[GJmusique]

idd zeg. "kun je nog raggen, rag dan mee"

is dit het klassieke equivalent van Nirvana die z'n gitaren kapotslaat aan het eind van een concert? xD

[cdmcl3]

sounds like Antonin Scalia at the console! HA!

[afer2108]

more slow please .

[Guilloufan]

widor ligt nu te kreunen dat zijn mooie toccata zo verschrikkelijk snel en afwisselingsloos gespeeld wordt

[lorbo77]

but he dont change stops! or manuals? where is the pianissimo in the middle part?

[nijkerk24]

fantastisch zeg, dit is nou typisch martin mans!

[lewi39]

the great late feike asma would ike this almost played in the same manner i love it i am fan of both

[Rodgers805C]

This guy needs to slow down. Just because he has an electric organ console is no excuse for speeding up his performance. He loses articulation in several places as a result of his excess speed. Also, I think the tempo variance is completely out of place.

[NederlandZingt]

This organist is Martin Mans, a well-known organist in the Netherlands and this is his style. He always plays fast and loud and it is beautifull

[bassoprof]

@NederlandZingt No doubt it is beatiful. But, recording of organ works is a difficult task , and unfortunately ,most of the recordings of these wonderful organ pieces do justice neither to the composer nor to the player. The recording engineers have to work on this problem so that we hear the music,not mostly noise.

[OrganPope]

This is definetly NOT too fast.

[kloppiej]

I agree, Sie haben recht

[HabTasianet]

I agree,

How many manuals has the console got?

I couldn't quite catch it

[octavegeigen4]

5 manuals

[Rodgers805C]

Look, whether or not this is his style, it's as stylistically wrong as playing Bach preludes and fugues with a bunch of crescendii and dimenuendii that would have been impossible on the organs he had access to. Just because Widor was a romantic composer doesn't mean that we can take whatever liberties we want with his music, or use speed to gloss over any technical difficulties we have with the piece. Fast and loud is not always beautiful, it is often anoying in the extreme. More coming soon.

[Rodgers805C]

It is far more difficult to play this toccata with all of the articulation present on the score, and with the correct combination of stops in the right places, and it is worth the effort. Playing fast and loud may please the crowd, but it sure as heck doesn't please the intellect. I don't care if this guy is a teacher with all the degrees in the world; if this is the best he can do, he doesn't deserve the position he holds. My apologies in advance to any who might take offense.

[advisorC101]

He plays it wonderfully!

[koejossen]

Fantastich gewoon

Groet,

KOert.

[madgirl414]

I think this piece shines when it is performed with insistence. Too lethargic and it dies.

[madgirl414]

I think at 3.03 he moved a bit too soon but my god..wow!! I couldn't do it - that's for sure! This is one of my fav pieces (and i'm a flautist!)

[Malgan91]

fantastic!

but isn't there a mistake at 3:03 ?

[64ftContraBombarde]

yeh it sounds like he missed a beat!

[willowthebored]

Nice instrument, the 32s really put out that nice rumble that makes this piece work...beyond that, the changing tempo gets on my nerves a bit, but I think it's pretty good. Sounds like he miffs it at 1:30-ish, though.

[DesireeDeFete]

un peu de vif! Mais, il joue bien!

l'anche de 32 dupris le commencement de le piece...comme ci comme ca. Mais, plupart de professeurs d'orgue en l'etas unis...NO! Nous employons l'anche 32'a la derriere. (Ma francais...un pue. Je m'excuse)

[grandeopera]

Gorgeous although a little on the fast side.

Great Organ music

[kromhoorn]

Viscount? Dit betreft de Magnum Opus van orgelbouwer Van den Heuvel uit Dordrecht, Holland!

[koppelfloete]

A bit on the fast side, but nice impetus. I like it! Much better than v=Vo82Vnd_Kr4 in any case.

[gooseholla1]

Errmm the one on the viscount sounds like it is being played on an accordion. It is bad in many ways.

[remineur]

Magnifique!

[skyler6290]

Goosebumps!! Spectacular viruousity - rather reminded me of the speeding locomotive mode often employed by the late great Virgil Fox. Certainly a credit for the artist at being able to very ably keep up this extraordinary pace. The sound at St. Eustache and the organ are superb!!

[MrQuebec]

Les commentaires contradictoires qu'on lit dans YouTube sur la musique d'orgue sont souvent délirants. L'organiste joue trop lentement, trop vite, trop fort ou trop mollement.

Vanité des jugements humains...

[penwittig]

Love the pace; sounds a bit woolly on my speakers, but good.

I last heard this live in the Eglise de St Germain de Pres en Paris after an excellent lunch at Brasserie Lipp. The pace was the same But no recordings can compensate for being there & hearing it LIVE with that fantastic acoustic.

[HDG1967]

Spectacular performance, bravo Martin Mans!

[JanPB]

He plays it too fast, the music sounds like someone chasing a departing train, out of breath. Perhaps it's just the audio quality that creates this impression.

[GJ1986]

True, but it's Martin Mans after all. He plays what people wanna hear, so he pleases the majority of the attenders. I personally don't mind it to be played a tad slower in deed. :)

[JanPB]

Ah, "what people want to hear" is a recipe for mediocrity...

[organimagister]

Too fast for me. Have you heard Ben van Oosten's recording of this piece? It sounds very "different"... But good technic.

[julorg]

Et les changements de claviers alors ???

what about playing on the choir ? on the swell in the middle part .......... ?

The tempo is right.

[avhzn]

This performer was my organ teacher. He plays awesome!

[crazyjojo91]

???

[Principal16]

great tempo!

[marcdub2004]

You are both right BUT : first its a matter of taste also! To be honest i prefer this toccata played like fireworks that takes you away on the waves than a technically perfectly articulated play. Concerning the Swell, well ok its noted pp , but EVERYONE plays it then in the same manner, i like when organists are brave enough to NOT do the same like others. BTW this organ allows a pp-to-fffff without swellbox ;)

[Reesman95]

at about 2:12 the piece is maked pp pianisimo so get rid of the mixtures and close the swell box!

[Reesman95]

Slow it down man. Toccata means touch, it's a show off piece, and u can't show off very well if u can't hear each note. Toccata doesn't mean play it as fast as u possibly can and ruin the piece!