You are crazy if you look at all the evidence of 9/11 and still believe that the buildings weren't a controlled demolition. Either crazy, or you have IMMENSE faith in the government and absolutely NO faith in physics.
are these crazy nutjobs still doll bludging on these 9-11 conspiracy theories? they need to get a job, and a girlfriend..... 9-11 was done by al-qaeda.
@firestones18 - he's a fucking jew, - that's why he got so angry, - do you mean to tell me that this man who questions everything, - suddenly sides w the goverment, -
== wake up, stupid sheeple, = it's all around you..................... the jews did it.
- don't like what i'm saying? - comment, - i'll show you facts you don't want to hear.
@bluelibra65 There are thousands of years hunted the Jews and that is not without reason! Jews murder Palestinians and the Americas has the hots for the Jews because they are so bad! so fuck America Israel and the Jews!
the most convincing of evidence is the symbolism they use in everything they "own" most of the brand names weather it shoes, cars, or something as trivial as deodorant. look up "stdoomsayer" on youtube. he explains symbolism better than i have been trying to since i noticed it myself. But be warned, most of the information is just too much for some people and they toss it off because they cant understand it intellectually. Not all the information is legit but im sure one can decide for themself.
well the fact is that you cant approach someone about the Illuminati just out of the blue if they don't even know the basics. believe me, before i first got into researching into their existence i though the people claiming that satanists/occultists run this world are bat-shit crazy. but that was more than 6 years ago now. i can bet my life on the fact that they are real, they control all media - movies, music, magazines, porn industry, most corporations, bank system, fast food franchise.
That's great. A guy who wants people to give him money to talk about how there is no god and he doesn't want to be called a coward? Get a load of his face right there when he threatens a woman after she said that.
@Burnpnac My my, you're 30 years old? You'd think there would some better insults here. I also see you've joined this month, you finally steal a computer because your dumb ass couldn't get a job? That a shame, tsk tsk. Oh well, good luck with your rage and dead end life.
@ForTheDefence78 that makes no sense at all. And you are a little fucking coward faggot for even TRYING to side with some Jew TV homo who is put their to try to convince people the absolute LIE that some cave-dwelling muslims flew planes into buildings.
@Burnpnac It's "there,". Not "their." Jesus H. Christ on a jumped up chariot crutch - if you want people to take even one iota of what you say seriously, start by learning how to spell.
Working on minor things like grammar wouldn't kill you, either.
@jjobie ...were talking about covering up the government staging the murder of 5000 people and this homo protecting the absolute lies of it..and all you can pick out against me is a fucking auto correct typo from my Phone....dude, I win. Maybe if you learned HISTORY we wouldn't have to fucking argue you would be smart enough to know governments stage this shit over and over and over..
In the weeks after 9/11, the news media told us that the towers fell down because the jet fuel fires had melted the structural steel. This was absolutely ridiculous. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. But there was molten steel in the debris pile. So what caused the molten steel, and why do officials find it necessary to lie about it?
@rpsmith014 Yes, jet fuel and office fires can not melt steel. Actually, NIST does not even have steel samples that show any fire-weakening. None of their core steel samples show heating above 480 F.
But there was molten steel, as testified to by a couple of dozen witnesses including 2 PhD engineers and the President of Notre Dame University.
i would love to see this lying piece of shit bill maher come try to escort me out of the building. i would love to get a chance to beat this scums head in for however long i can before the gaurds pull me off.
@reptiliandomination1 You do an excellent job of showing how enlightened your side of the argument is. I think you're an asshole, yet I hope nobody ever harms you physically.
@MaskedChongGetBac O im sorry did i offend you sheep? Do you understand this scumbag is a part of the illuminati? Do you you know who the illuminati are? If not you proved my point of you being a sheep. I wish they would hurry up and put your ass in a fema camp, or better yet put you people in a coffen.
Even if it was a conspiracy, doesn't change the fact that Osama Bin Laden admitted the taliban was responsible for slamming those planes into the WTS. And I don't care what people believe on this, it was rude as hell to interrupt Bill Maher's show like that.
@NorseMariner7 Lol the tape that they magically found in Afghanistan of Bin Laden admitting to the 9/11 attacks is almost 100% proven to not be Bin Laden in the video, look it up on youtube, he uses the wrong hand, is about 10 years younger and has an almost completely different face. Maybe do some research before making comments? Also even if it is Bin Laden in the tape maybe you should look up who he actually is and his admitted CIA training and heavy ties to the Bush family.
@jjobie i clearly didnt just say "look it up on youtube" and leave it at that, i dont have time to sit here giving people hour long explainations over a youtube comment section so i told him to go and look it up for himself. You on the other hand have nothing constructive to say and no arguement to put forward. Instead you just pick at the fact that i suggest people should use youtube to watch documentaries and debate their opinions with others.
@NorseMariner7 911 was a conspiracy watch 911 conspiracy hollywood knew paets 1 through 5. you would not believe how many movies hinted towards 911 way before it happened. also look up the illuminati card game it came out in 1995 it has cards that depict the the twin towers under attack, and the pentagon in flames. sounds crazy i know but thats what they do they like to put hints, and signs to their future planed events/ attacks in fictional type of entertainment
@reptiliandomination1 Put the word "debunked" beside every concern you have on 911, type it in google/you-tube, click , read, realize the theories are stupid......That's what I did when I got mind fucked by the truth movement....it's all an illusion , all the speculation and "it wasn't this so it must be this" , quotes TERRIBLY taken out of context and the whole 9 , its one big sham. Wake up from the cult and join the real world, there was no inside job and that's a FACT!
@kushsmokkeralt Actually 911 was an outside job, but not from al qaeda. It was a global elite / illuminati orchestrated attack. Watch on youtube 911 conspiracy hollywood knew. Watch all 5 videos. Theres too much proof in those videos. Open your mind man.
@reptiliandomination1 then what is next? there is no sense dwelling on the past... if you know this information to be true, than go out and read the clues they are inevitably putting out towards their next random ass attack for no reason... if those exist, then go out and find them and prevent whatever they're doing instead of sitting here complaining about the last one.
@cmilkes You're right i need to concentrate on the future. Their next false flag attack will happen next year at the olympics in london. Big ben will be destroyed aswell as other parts of london. This could be what triggers world war 3. Come see my playlist i made just for the 2012 olympics. I think there is plenty of signs that show this will happen.
@reptiliandomination1 You left about the part about the army of bigfoots that will emerge from the hollow earth portals at the north and south poles at the exact moment that the stars in Orion's belt are aligned with the Giza pyramids, thus unleashing the earth's aura in a blast wave of unprecedented fury that will wipe out most of the northern hemisphere wherein only those who have been implanted with the correct neural control chips will have the programming to survive.
@reptiliandomination1 No I'd say the brain of someone who would claim 9/11 was an inside job is the brain that has died. Lets go through the facts ok. Are you really trying to tell me that the gov hijacked two planes and ran them into the towers just so that they could blow up bombs somewhere else in the building to bring it down? And don't get me start on the "scientist" who agree with you I can find scientist who say going topless helps prevent breast cancer that doesn't make it true
@darkwarriorkane Listen man the illuminati infiltrate all aspects of society. Government is just thing they control. If you dont believe in the illuminati that you haven't done your research. There is plenty of proof that they excist. I dont believe are own people would do it. But i do believe people who are running the gov would. People dont understand the secret society network and how they are part of the gov. These people are dedicated to the cause of lucifer.
@darkwarriorkane Until people realise this they will never understand the illuminati and how they operate. I can give you people to look up if you're willing to listen to them. Doc marquis former illuminatti member. John todd former member. Ted gunderson fromer 27 yr head of the fbi LA divison. He explains their documentabile history. I could keep going but you probably wont even look these guys up. Its not going to hurt just to listen what they have to say.
@reptiliandomination1 Ok ok I will look these people up and see what they have to say, but I'm going to be hinest with you this whole things seems like something out of movie or something.
Hey Bill Maher free speech is not a crime. You throwing people out for exercising their free speech rights and having you're security goons attack these people is in fact a tyrannical act and it truly shows you have no regard for the first Amendment or the Constitution.
@glipzik you guys wont stop no matter what ... your country got attacked, and you got nuttin better to do than blame it on yourself/your government. I cant imagine another country being that schizophrenic. Jeeez.
@commonsense37660 Both sides are really equal in defenses, such as when people were saying the plane was only a decoy and did no real damage and that there weren't any serious fires, though it wouldn't explain why people were jumping out of the buildings if they weren't within intense heat. But there are a lot of unanswered questions.
@TheExtant Equal in defenses?!!! Really?!!! Thermite found in the aftermath, buildings falling their own little footprints at free fall speed, 3 buildings took out with 2 planes, lack of investigation, hurried clean up, etc, and all the debunkers have to say is "well any other building would've done the same thing at that intense heat" or "Your unamerican if you don't believe the official story, you must work for Al-Qaida." or "Your a conspiracy theorist!"
@Dubz0408 I hate the unamerican term too, I'd never say that because if being an american is believing what ever the leader of your country says then that's fucking stupid. It's just that both sides do have a lot of evidence against the other and yes I know that they could've faked evidence or planted some saying the terrorists did that, but I'm on the half line mark on these sides and yes i've looked at a lot of these things it's just they're both insanely flawed.
@TheExtant Your right to question both sides, keep looking for evidence and the truth will be revealed. You'll eventually find that the US governments stories have more holes in them than Swiss cheese. Alot of the stuff they end up admitting in press statements soon after an events. Once you start to see what going on, you can predict whats going to happen next. Its all scripted. Question everything!
@Dubz0408 Yeah I never just believe things that are told to me, I always need to see the stronger amount of fact to believe a side. I'll keep doing research on this on both sides.
@commonsense37660 I'm glad you find THOUSANDS of people dying "hilarious". And tons of wreckage was recovered from the planes. And physics says the buildings would fall straight down. It's called gravity.
I think they should hold a full investigation of 9/11, each side present all of their evidence, in court, and when the Truthers are shot to the ground, CHARGE THE TRUTH MOVEMENT TO PAY FOR IT ALL!
@SvenTviking No the entire reason they wont hold an investigation is because somethings not right. Alot of people would go to jail, probably in our own local and federal governments. Why do you think so many people ended up "committing suicide" before they were to present evidence? Why do you think those "suicides" were overshadowed by the anthrax event? Why do you think one of the people behind the anthrax event (Bruce Ivans who worked for the US Army Medical Command) died during investigation?
@Dubz0408 No. The reason they won't hold an investigation is that there is zero evidence that one is needed. None, nowt, nada. If there was, somebody would have tried a private action. This is because truthers cannot understand that wild conjecture is not evidence. Look at the biggest name spokesman for the truth movement. Charlie Sheen. Thats the best you got? Drunken, coked up idiot? And when you have a big event like 9/11 with thousands of witnesses, some DO die within ten years.
@SvenTviking WTF? Charlie Sheen is hyped up by the media owners who probably directly or indirectly had something to do with this. 2600 people died in the towers alone, but no investigation is needed? No one has been charged or tried for what happed, but no investigation is needed? Bin laden was reported by Israel and Pakistan to be dead in 2001, the US government has been caught faking Bin Laden videos, but no investigation is needed?
Why is it so hard to believe that building 7 fell from both massive damage from TWO SKYSCRAPERS falling onto it and internal fires? Just because some video footage taken from far away doesn't show the building melt before our eyes is proof that there wasn't a huge fire inside?
I used to be a truther, but then I grew up. Believing in conspiracy theories is more fun than the mainstream story, it gives you a sense of superiority over others for doing absolutely nothing, but it's just not true.
A little something called physics doesn't allow for belief in the official conspiracy theory. There was no massive damage to building 7, it had buildings between it and the trade centers and, if it were to collaps from massive damage on one side, it would fall down, not self-destruct.
@Pwells1 The official report is misinformation and doesn't even address building 7. A fact which, by itself, proves there's a cover up. I am not pulling physics out of my ass. A building collapsing down on itself does not launch metal beams horizontally into distant buildings. It also doesn't fall neatly into it's own footprint. The top portion of the building would only have the force to destroy an equal number of floors below, being destroyed itself in the process, yet It doesn't even slow.
@BBBWWWVVV They've addressed building 7. It had 25% of the one side scooped out from when the two towers fell, plus it had a fire that raged for hours without anyone fighting it. And it had a very odd architectural design, where a very few columns were bearing ridiculous loads, and if even one failed, it could bring the whole building down.
The towers didn't fall neatly into their own footprints. They did spill out and harm nearby buildings. Look up the actual science, not the crazy bs
@Pwells1 the fire "raged" for only a couple hours on a couple floors. look up the steel structure building fire in spain. it burned for over 24 hrs i believe, the whole thing totally burnt out, and had to be dismantled with cranes and such. it did Not collapse.
@BBBWWWVVV "The top portion of the building would only have the force to destroy an equal number of floors below" This just shows how completely moronic you are. Yes, that top portion of the building could only destroy a certain number of floors before, but then when those floors are destroyed, the top portion AND THOSE FLOORS is coming down on the floors below that. The result is a chain reaction where each floor that collapses compounds the amount of weight coming down.
@Pwells1 Thats childish. There is no chain reaction of floors. The whole structure beneath all of those floors is well capable of supporting all that weight. only the top portion has the momentum to destroy equal floors beneath. after that initial impact, the crushed floors would simply fall off the side, not take the whole building down into its footprint. They only harmed the buildings around their base. unavoidable with hundreds of floors of debris.
@BBBWWWVVV Excuse me for intruding into your debate, but what law of gravity do you cite that makes 500 thousand tons of steel, glass, wood, furniture, drywall, electrical, plumbing and human beings, simply "fall off the side"? Issac Newton says you are merely a witless and naive pawn of the insane 911 Truthers in your blind acceptance of their doctrine. If lateral forces are not emanating from outside the structure, it will fall straight down. See Newton's Inverse-Square Law.
@FleetwoodFactor No law of gravity. laws of momentum and force. When two things collide, no matter their sizes, they impact on eachother with equal force. as the top portion supposedly fell from the height of about a floor or two, both the top portion and an equal number of floors beneath would have been crushed. then it would have stopped as the rest of the building was structurally sound. I imagine the debris would fall off to the side.
@BBBWWWVVV Your IMAGINING the debris falling off to the side notwithstanding, the force of impact of the planes had come to a complete halt long before the buildings fell. Again, it is logical for the structures to collapse upon themselves from their own weight as the added mass of each floor above was added to the mass of each collapsing floor in a cumulative fashion and bringing into play Newton's 2nd Law of Motion. But you prefer to believe an insane conspiracy theory, so we will never agree.
@FleetwoodFactor (cont) at play, and gravity goes straight down, the building would just fall straight down. Again, in order to fall sideways, there needs to be some kind of force to push it that way. Without a proper fulcrum point, that won't happen.It's important to understand that the building does not have solid steel beams on the side where each beam spans 50 floors. Each beam is like 1 floor.This building is a series of intricate parts, so you can't think of it as one solid rigid structure
@FleetwoodFactor the debris falling off is irrelevant. it can sit on top. it doesn't matter. The point is that there is no "added mass of each floor above". The structure was standing for many years supporting all the weight with ease. cutting out an entire floor and dropping the top part on the building would NOT produce the video we saw on 9/11. That is obvious. The insane conspiracy theory is that cave dwellers with boxcutters pulled off 9/11.
@BBBWWWVVV Again, there is added mass to each floor, because, as I said, the weight is coming down on the MIDDLE OF THE FLOORS and not just on load baring columns. Also, as the building picks up speed, it is coming down with greater energy than what those beams normally have to hold.
Also, what are you quoting there with your ridiculous heat numbers? Your ass?
And yes, I'm sure the govt bribed every damn engineer in the country.
@Pwells1 my "ridiculous" heat numbers can be found everywhere on the internet. jet fuel in open air fire burns at around 550 F. Not every engineer in the country has applied themselves to the problem, those who have done so have joined the architects and engineers for 9/11 truth organization. Those who support the official conspiracy theory are owned by the government.
@BBBWWWVVV The fact that you can't understand how a group of people with knives (a box cutter is a fucking knife strong and sharp enough to easily stab someone or slit a throat) could hijack a plane, and that you would spit on everyone who died on those planes, is indicative of just how delusional you are. I'm done.
@Pwells1 Truly, you are the one spitting on the graves of those who died that day. You refuse to persue the truth and seek justice for those people and their families. You are the one who is delusional. You refuse to see ALL of the MASSIVE holes in the official conspiracy theory. And keep in mind, there need only be ONE hole in it to prove its ALL garbage.
@BBBWWWVVV Keep pretending you are important. You simply don't comprehend the physics and architecture at hand.
Pray tell, what do you think happened to all those people who died btw? You already said the one plane didn't crash in Pennsylvania, and that none of them were hijacked by the 19 muslim terrorists. So what is your version of what happened? And what happened to those who died on those planes? Where did they go?
@Pwells1 I'm not pretending I'm important. Another personal attack and random assertion with no basis. Your chips must be down. I never said the one plane didn't crash in pennsylvania, but i've heard there was no plane debris to be found? And of course, if there was no plane, I would have no knowledge of the passengers whereabouts and it isn't my job to find out or know? :S
@BBBWWWVVV I'm totally amazed how moronic your argument is. "The remaining floors are structurally sound" but they are not meant to bear weight in the way that it is coming down. Each floor falls one by one, because all of a sudden, instead of weight just going on the load baring columns, its going on EVERYTHING which causes other areas of that floor to collapse under the weight (because they aren't meant to bare it) and THEN the load baring columns come down as a result. (CONT)
@BBBWWWVVV (CONT) then once that floor is collapsed, it moves to the next floor. And it keeps going like this in a chain reaction where each floor is having to bare more and more weight that it is not meant to. Again, yes, the columns and such were meant to bare weight, BUT NOT EVERY PART OF THE FLOOR! Also, many an engineer has explained why, due to physics, nothing would ever fall off the side. There isn't enough of a fulcrum point, and thus the building, since gravity is the only force (CONT)
@Pwells1 *The fact you can't spell "bear" is indicative of your intelligence.* regardless though, the pancake theory is easily debunked as, if you believe all the floors would have collapsed around the central columns, the central columns would still be standing. Everything was instead pulverized, there were no central columns left standing.
@BBBWWWVVV Also I apologize for mixing up the usage of bare and bear (a common mistake). However, grammatical errors on a fucking message board are hardly indicative of intelligence, and attacking grammar is a usual tactic of someone when their chips are down.
Wake up, and look into the actual physics of pancake collapse as explained by experts, not by kids in their basements who don't get the intricacies of it.
@Pwells1 You did not address the fact that there were no central columns left standing. Pancake theory is a joke. There are no intricacies. Again, if you believe the floors are collapsing down, one after another, each time adding weight and hitting the floors beneath, fair enough, but the core columns would NOT be collapsing as it went. They would remain standing.
@BBBWWWVVV The core columns are not one solid piece from bottom to top. They too are separate pieces welded floor by floor. You don't seem to understand this.
Ok, thank you for NOT AT ALL quoting your source on those numbers. The official numbers are more like 1300-1500 degrees and that with the burning furniture and such some reached 1800 degrees. So quote me a source that goes against the official experts.
By making fun of how they were hijacked, you are spitting on their memory.
@Pwells1 "official experts" hmm? thank you for NOT AT ALL quoting your official experts. "By making fun of how they were hijacked, you are spitting on their memory." That is THE most ludicrous assertion you have made thus far. Firstly because I am making fun of the official 9/11 explanation, Not the victims. Secondly, because making fun of how they were hijacked would not in any way deface the victims memory :S What a strange, twisted claim to make.
@Pwells1 Also, the fact that core columns are not one piece does not refute anything I just said, they are still core columns running from top to bottom, Nothing in the top portion would have damaged them coming down. Your pancake theory asserts that the floors fell down AROUND the core columns. You can't have it both ways.
@FleetwoodFactor Also, only a chunk was taken out of each building by the planes, only a few columns potentially cut (though doubtful) but certainly all columns would not disintegrate. Just as with felling a tree, a chunk is taken out and it falls sideways. The tree doesnt start dropping down vertically and turning into saw dust. derrrrrrrrrrr
@BBBWWWVVV (cont) at play, and gravity goes straight down, the building would just fall straight down. Again, in order to fall sideways, there needs to be some kind of force to push it that way. Without a proper fulcrum point, that won't happen. It's important to understand that the building does not have solid steel beams on the side where each beam spans 50 floors. Each beam is like 1 floor. This building is a series of intricate parts, so you can't think of it as one solid rigid structure
@BBBWWWVVV Also there have been subsequent reports that do address building 7. I suggest you do that research thing you're supposedly so good at and look it up. NIST.
@Pwells1 NIST, like the 9/11 commision, is not a reliable source in any way. Anything commissioned by the same damn government will be their pawn. NIST didn't even check the debris for explosive residue, which was found by other scientists and published in a scientific journal in one of the scandinavian countries I believe. Those tests were performed by a phd chemist at a respected university. It also still doesn't excuse the fact that wtc 7 was ignored by the commission to start.
@BBBWWWVVV One of the main things you fail to realize, as I said, is that when the top floors begin falling, they are hitting the floors below with a force GREATER than their own weight, just as holding a free weight above your head steadily is much easier than if I were to drop it on you or throw it down at you and expect you to catch it. So even the load bearing sections of the floors below were having to bear a force they never had to before.
@BBBWWWVVV I didn't realize you were a structural engineer, because every expert engineer disagrees with you about how pancaking floors would work.
That steel structure in Spain also did not have a 747 crash into it at 500mph with jet fuel that started a fire that burned at upwards of 1800 degrees.
The building falls "smoothly" at far less than freefall, because there is constant friction slowing it down.
@Pwells1 might wanna check your numbers buddy. "In an open-air office fire such as that at WTC (called a "dirty burn") kerosene or any hydrocarbon will burn at around 500-700degrees Fahrenheit. The FEMA report on 911 said that the jet fuel burned off after a few minutes and the fires from the office furniture and carpets were about 560 degrees. The special structural steel of the WTC has over 98% of its strength at those temperatures, and the WTC was built to hold 5 times its load."
@Pwells1 So i looked again and found that jet fuel burns at 550F in open air but can reach a MAXIMUM of 1800 with optimum mixtures of gases while structural steel melts at about 2800, so the beams wouldn't even weaken. Here, take a look at this video on the physics of the collapse, drawing from papers by independent scientists with credentials called "What a Gravity-Driven Demolition Looks Like" If you refuse to comprehend basic physics of the collapse, we can move on to the more blatant lies.
@BBBWWWVVV The beams lose half their strength at 1100 degrees and far more than that at 1800. And controlled demolition experts have already laid out why the towers collapse looks nothing like a controlled demolition.
And again, you haven't answered what is your version, and what happened to those people on those planes?
Also, what would the point of a controlled demolition be anyway? Or faking a plane crash in Penn? Isn't ramming planes into these 3 structures enough incentive for a war?
@Pwells1 Controlled demolition experts say nothing but the contrary. They say it looks Exactly like a controlled demolition. The point of a controlled demolition is to bring down the buildings, obviously. I never mentioned pennsylvania.
@BBBWWWVVV "I never said the one plane didn't crash in pennsylvania You then go on to assert that a plane never crashed, claiming you heard from some guy that no debris was found even though YES debris and body parts were found. And if there was no plane crash, then yes, it is your job to prove what happened to that flight number seeing as you're trying to prove it did something other than crash.
This is how you spit on people's graves, by asserting they didn't die or were in on it or whatever
@Pwells1 I don't care whether or not there was a plane crash in pennsylvania. I didn't hear it from some guy either, i've seen plenty of videos and pictures of the crash site and there was nothing there but a scar in the ground. Why do you think there was anything found there? Because the government said so? show me the pics.
If there was no plane crash it is NOT my responsibility to prove it or say what really happened. (cont.)
@BBBWWWVVV "I don't care whether or not there was a plane crash in pennsylvania" Followed by you asserting there wasn't one, so obviously you do. "If there was no plane crash it is NOT my responsibility to prove it or say what really happened." Umm, YES IT ABSOLUTELY IS because you are going against the scientifically accepted scenario. Thus, you have to prove your case if you think otherwise.
@Pwells1 (cont.) There was a conspiracy. That means things are kept secret. Of course I can't tell you how everything was accomplished. What foolish idea. There are certain aspects of the official story that do not add up. If even ONE thing doesn't add up, then the government is lieing. JUST ONE. And there are more than enough. For one, you did not address the explosives residue unquestionably found in the WTC dust. This is incontravertable evidence.
@BBBWWWVVV Everything adds up. You simply don't comprehend it. And again, there is no point to controlled demolition or to faking a plane crash in Pennsylvania. There was no explosive residue found.
And you're the research expert (ha!) so look up the experts who agree with NIST. They're the majority BY FAR. It's the loons here and there who don't get it.
Ok I'm done with you. After you asserted you don't need to prove anything, you proved yourself a MORON who doesn't get Science.
@Pwells1 LOL, you're the one not comprehending. I pointed to credible scientific papers published by phd scientists. r u a fucking phd scientist? I'm not sure how many times I have to say this (LOL, retarded??) the demolition was to make the buildings collapse. Its a lot more trouble if the buildings are left standing with big holes in them. I am taking sciences in university. I do not have my degree yet but I am sure that I am more educated than you, the moron who doesn't get BASIC logic.
@Pwells1 The logic i'm referring to of course is the fact (which i already explained... meathead) that i don't need to know exactly how 9/11 was really carried out in detail. I need only point to the smoking gun which says a gun was fired. Then i say, A fucking gun was fired. this man wasn;t stabbed. the guy holding the knife cudnt be the murderer. lets investigate this murder. thats all we're asking for, a real investigation. What do you have to lose btw, if we get a real investigation?
@Pwells1 I would also mention that i have read some of the NIST reports and they are full of methodological flaws. Read "The Missing Jolt". It's Very clear, Very simple, Anyone could understand it. And tho I have already mentioned the phd papers, i must repeat, explosive residue WAS found, UNDENIABLY. repeat: UNDENIABLY, by different scientists with proper credentials from different countries. There evidence is laid out clearly in those papers. NIST refused to even LOOK for explosives residue.
@Pwells1 I like how u've stopped trying to address all the flaws with WTC collapse and the scientific evidence i presented to focus instead on the penn. crash which I said wasn't important.
Still, what proof do you have that anything was found at the crash site? i've watched the news reels of the time, the vids and the pics, nothing but a scar in the ground. It is Not my job to prove what happened there, i cannot travel to penn. on a whim, foolish child. It is the job of a new investigation.
@Pwells1 There are many controlled demo. experts who say so. Look them up. You keep saying "structural engineers this" and "demo experts that". Link me to some testimony/ experiments/ peer reviewed scientific papers by people with credentials who are NOT part of NIST or the commission report as those organizations are clearly not reliable by their deliberate avoidance of key aspects of 9/11. You can also tell me why no footage of the pentagon crash has been released.
@Pwells1 look up danny jawenko, a dutch demolitions expert, on youtube. That's the first guy I found. A controlled demolition was necessary to bring the buildings down, as I have previously stated. Stop being obtuse and putting ur pride and identity into this argument. About pennsylvania, though I mentioned some oddities, I find it irrelevant and not worth discussing. Remember, I only need to know that ONE thing is wrong and I DONT need to explain what Really happened.
@BBBWWWVVV As for official experts, do that thing you call research and find them. Start with the NIST report. And no, the govt is not paying off hundreds of scientists
@BBBWWWVVV And I think experts in the field, hundreds of experts, know more than you. And no, not all of them could have been paid off. The building did slow btw. It falls at several seconds less than freefall, but yes, we are dealing in seconds. That's what happens when you're dealing in thousands of tons of force coming down. It all happens very fast.
This 9/11 conspiracy nonsense was perpetuated by a bunch of moronic kids who flunked out of film school, and people wanting to feel important
@Pwells1 The top portion did Not slow At all. you can watch any video of the collapse and see that plainly. it falls smoothly. scientists don't need to be paid off. Such naïveté. They need only fear losing funding for their experiments or losing their job completely. no need for big pay offs. and what media institution would cover their testimony anyway? the media is owned by conservatives who support the status quo.
@BBBWWWVVV You mean the junk physics based on guestimations that have since been debunked? Yeah, according to things I made up, Santa Claus must also be real.
@ThwartedVillainy Wow you're dumb and not worth my time anymore. You just keep repeating the same nonsense. Have fun pretending you are smart and important.
@Pwells1 You responded to thwarted... lol, but you didn't address any of my "nonsense". That is, of course, because you can't. The very simplest evidence for government cover up is that of 85 videos "possibly" capturing the attack on the pentagon (as stated by the CIA when ordered by the freedom of information act), only 2 videos have been released showing explosions, but no planes. Tell me pwells, wut do they have to hide?? wut do YOU have to hide that you fight so hard against the truth?
@Pwells1 LOL, I haven't said the same thing twice, you on the other hand have repeated the same nonsense again and again without even Trying to refute all my proof. You don't even have a Reason to argue with me. lol, get a life and stfu.
@Pwells1 I've read NIST. more importantly I've watched their Q&A interview sessions in which they sidestep every question. Apparently you haven't done so. watch the vids on youtube, particularly "NIST admits freefall" for all the conclusive proof you need.
@ThwartedVillainy I don't even know what your talking about. Since you must be a physicist, please explain to me the flaws in the paper "The Missing Jolt". Tell me why physics is garbage.
Then, with Your doctorate in chem, disprove the chemical analysis done on WTC dust by Dr. Neils Harrit of the University of Copenhagen. You've just got your eyes shut, ears plugged, going "lalalallala I can't hear youu!!"
see the problem i have with 911 conspiracy is that it's just so complicated ii don't think bush would have needed to go through those lengths to start a war or scare the fuck out of people they could have just as easily made some fake documents and made it look as if it were leaked out onto the news why go through the whole dog and pony show there are so many easier ways to trick people
What's so complicated about 9/11 conspiracy theories? I'm sure we've all heard some really crazy theories too, but I believe the general consensus is that we just don't know. Certainly, there are large holes in the official explanation.
The whole 9/11 farce is not based on science. Science is no more than observation. Since the events of 9/11 do not fit in with any previous observable phenomana or observation of scientfic physical law that should have been a red flag to any intelligent observer. However politicians and the military have a term they use to extricate themselves from blame and it's called plausible denial. This is the only mode of argument the debunkers have in their arsenal.
@glipzik Physics has been observed and tested before, and there are mathematical formulas and observations that you can take and apply to new problems. We know steel loses half of its strength at 1100 degrees, and far more than that at 1800. We can calculate the force of gravity, the force on the building, the force of the plane hitting the building, the force on the beams and trusses when the structure is failing, the etc etc etc.
oh really? and what evidence to the "truthers" have? All your arguments have been refuted, starting with your precious "building 7". The "Journal of 9/11 Studies" is a dubious site with no scientifically verifiable evidence.
nice try though.
A conclusion is made only AFTER PEER REVIEWED evidence is set AS FACT.
MAN do i FEEL smart when I TYpe partly in CAPital letters LIKE i was SHOUTING everyother WORD but NOT every SINGLE one SO people CANT say IM using CAPSlock
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some people are just crazy. simple as that.
InfectedInHD 1 month ago
Hey truthers. Watching low-budget documentaries and wearing "9/11 was an inside job" t-shirts is no way to go through life.
It's over. Next.
HellRehab 2 months ago 4
Seems too many people in our nation have so little respect for each other.
purpleblood93 3 months ago
dumb ass video
WeatherMondacicci 3 months ago
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You are crazy if you look at all the evidence of 9/11 and still believe that the buildings weren't a controlled demolition. Either crazy, or you have IMMENSE faith in the government and absolutely NO faith in physics.
vinternatten 4 months ago
are these crazy nutjobs still doll bludging on these 9-11 conspiracy theories? they need to get a job, and a girlfriend..... 9-11 was done by al-qaeda.
MartialLawExposed 4 months ago
@MartialLawExposed what about building 7 psycho!!!
firestones18 4 months ago
@firestones18 - he's a fucking jew, - that's why he got so angry, - do you mean to tell me that this man who questions everything, - suddenly sides w the goverment, -
== wake up, stupid sheeple, = it's all around you..................... the jews did it.
- don't like what i'm saying? - comment, - i'll show you facts you don't want to hear.
bluelibra65 2 months ago
@bluelibra65 There are thousands of years hunted the Jews and that is not without reason! Jews murder Palestinians and the Americas has the hots for the Jews because they are so bad! so fuck America Israel and the Jews!
firestones18 2 months ago
the most convincing of evidence is the symbolism they use in everything they "own" most of the brand names weather it shoes, cars, or something as trivial as deodorant. look up "stdoomsayer" on youtube. he explains symbolism better than i have been trying to since i noticed it myself. But be warned, most of the information is just too much for some people and they toss it off because they cant understand it intellectually. Not all the information is legit but im sure one can decide for themself.
stealthtank91 4 months ago
well the fact is that you cant approach someone about the Illuminati just out of the blue if they don't even know the basics. believe me, before i first got into researching into their existence i though the people claiming that satanists/occultists run this world are bat-shit crazy. but that was more than 6 years ago now. i can bet my life on the fact that they are real, they control all media - movies, music, magazines, porn industry, most corporations, bank system, fast food franchise.
stealthtank91 4 months ago
This video is fake. Voice over and simple effects.
MrSlickgreaser 5 months ago
ROFL!!! Fucking awesome.
jjobie 5 months ago
"OW! OW! OW! OW! OW!" hahahaha
Huntington12345678 5 months ago
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Mikerulez101 5 months ago
That's great. A guy who wants people to give him money to talk about how there is no god and he doesn't want to be called a coward? Get a load of his face right there when he threatens a woman after she said that.
zssamgh 6 months ago
because bill maher is a faggot bitch who needs to be killed.
Burnpnac 6 months ago
@Burnpnac U mad bro?
dotmadhack 6 months ago
@dotmadhack YOUR A FUCKING COWARD NIGGER BITCH IF YOUR NOT SICKENED BY THIS FUCKING IDIOT AND WANT TO BEAT BILL FACE IN FOR TREASON.
Burnpnac 6 months ago
@Burnpnac Yeah, you mad.
dotmadhack 6 months ago
@dotmadhack yea, you a pussy.
Burnpnac 6 months ago
@Burnpnac My my, you're 30 years old? You'd think there would some better insults here. I also see you've joined this month, you finally steal a computer because your dumb ass couldn't get a job? That a shame, tsk tsk. Oh well, good luck with your rage and dead end life.
dotmadhack 6 months ago
@dotmadhack so you are just admitting your a pussy.
Burnpnac 6 months ago
@Burnpnac Who's "Bill Face?"
jjobie 5 months ago
@Burnpnac=Fuck you bitch
MaskedChongGetBac 5 months ago
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@Burnpnac wrote, "because bill maher is a faggot bitch who needs to be killed."
So hop to it you stupid cunt instead of just talking about it on YouTube.
Obviously you are the "faggot bitch."
ForTheDefence78 6 months ago
@ForTheDefence78 that makes no sense at all. And you are a little fucking coward faggot for even TRYING to side with some Jew TV homo who is put their to try to convince people the absolute LIE that some cave-dwelling muslims flew planes into buildings.
Burnpnac 6 months ago
@Burnpnac
Of course it makes no sense at all. You're a gutless pussy with a big mouth and no balls.
You talk, talk, talk but when it comes to doing something you're just a Kentucky Fried Faggot.
Furthermore, I didn't try to side with Bill Maher, I did side with Bill Maher.
It sounds like you're hiding in a cave - up your own ass.
Bye bitch.
ForTheDefence78 6 months ago
@Burnpnac It's "there,". Not "their." Jesus H. Christ on a jumped up chariot crutch - if you want people to take even one iota of what you say seriously, start by learning how to spell.
Working on minor things like grammar wouldn't kill you, either.
jjobie 5 months ago
@jjobie ...were talking about covering up the government staging the murder of 5000 people and this homo protecting the absolute lies of it..and all you can pick out against me is a fucking auto correct typo from my Phone....dude, I win. Maybe if you learned HISTORY we wouldn't have to fucking argue you would be smart enough to know governments stage this shit over and over and over..
Burnpnac 5 months ago
rofl
bigbradford69 6 months ago
Bill Maher is a punk!
sfholton 6 months ago
stupid
stocksandmore 6 months ago
In the weeks after 9/11, the news media told us that the towers fell down because the jet fuel fires had melted the structural steel. This was absolutely ridiculous. Jet fuel does not burn hot enough to melt steel. But there was molten steel in the debris pile. So what caused the molten steel, and why do officials find it necessary to lie about it?
See my video:
The 9/11 "Deep Mystery" and the Crazy Engineers
punxsutawneybarney 8 months ago
@punxsutawneybarney
The news media would also tell us Jesus was spotted at the base of the towers at the time of the impact if it would help their ratings.
Think for yourself, man.
MrDanielPida 7 months ago
@punxsutawneybarney the fire weakened the steel it didn't melt it.
rpsmith014 7 months ago
@rpsmith014 Yes, jet fuel and office fires can not melt steel. Actually, NIST does not even have steel samples that show any fire-weakening. None of their core steel samples show heating above 480 F.
But there was molten steel, as testified to by a couple of dozen witnesses including 2 PhD engineers and the President of Notre Dame University.
punxsutawneybarney 7 months ago
Wow. Congratulations on opening your Adobe box. Jesus.
Rainbowpikmin93 8 months ago
i would love to see this lying piece of shit bill maher come try to escort me out of the building. i would love to get a chance to beat this scums head in for however long i can before the gaurds pull me off.
reptiliandomination1 8 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 You do an excellent job of showing how enlightened your side of the argument is. I think you're an asshole, yet I hope nobody ever harms you physically.
DH405okc 8 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 I suspect you wouldn't get very far.
jjobie 5 months ago
@reptiliandomination1=Fuck you conspiracy nutjob faggot
MaskedChongGetBac 5 months ago
@MaskedChongGetBac O im sorry did i offend you sheep? Do you understand this scumbag is a part of the illuminati? Do you you know who the illuminati are? If not you proved my point of you being a sheep. I wish they would hurry up and put your ass in a fema camp, or better yet put you people in a coffen.
reptiliandomination1 5 months ago
Wtf? This is not the real video. Nobody got tazed. Totally forged video.
CloudedThinkers3792 9 months ago
@CloudedThinkers3792 It's a spoof.
jjobie 5 months ago
Even if it was a conspiracy, doesn't change the fact that Osama Bin Laden admitted the taliban was responsible for slamming those planes into the WTS. And I don't care what people believe on this, it was rude as hell to interrupt Bill Maher's show like that.
NorseMariner7 10 months ago 2
@NorseMariner7 Lol the tape that they magically found in Afghanistan of Bin Laden admitting to the 9/11 attacks is almost 100% proven to not be Bin Laden in the video, look it up on youtube, he uses the wrong hand, is about 10 years younger and has an almost completely different face. Maybe do some research before making comments? Also even if it is Bin Laden in the tape maybe you should look up who he actually is and his admitted CIA training and heavy ties to the Bush family.
360DavidH 10 months ago
@360DavidH "Look it up on Youtube????"
Sweet holy shit. Is that where your generation is getting your "information" now?
Wait a minute, what the hell am I saying. I just asked a ridiculous question. Of course it is.
jjobie 5 months ago
@jjobie i clearly didnt just say "look it up on youtube" and leave it at that, i dont have time to sit here giving people hour long explainations over a youtube comment section so i told him to go and look it up for himself. You on the other hand have nothing constructive to say and no arguement to put forward. Instead you just pick at the fact that i suggest people should use youtube to watch documentaries and debate their opinions with others.
360DavidH 5 months ago
@NorseMariner7 Moron!
pubuman 9 months ago
@NorseMariner7 911 was a conspiracy watch 911 conspiracy hollywood knew paets 1 through 5. you would not believe how many movies hinted towards 911 way before it happened. also look up the illuminati card game it came out in 1995 it has cards that depict the the twin towers under attack, and the pentagon in flames. sounds crazy i know but thats what they do they like to put hints, and signs to their future planed events/ attacks in fictional type of entertainment
reptiliandomination1 8 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 Put the word "debunked" beside every concern you have on 911, type it in google/you-tube, click , read, realize the theories are stupid......That's what I did when I got mind fucked by the truth movement....it's all an illusion , all the speculation and "it wasn't this so it must be this" , quotes TERRIBLY taken out of context and the whole 9 , its one big sham. Wake up from the cult and join the real world, there was no inside job and that's a FACT!
kushsmokkeralt 8 months ago
@kushsmokkeralt Actually 911 was an outside job, but not from al qaeda. It was a global elite / illuminati orchestrated attack. Watch on youtube 911 conspiracy hollywood knew. Watch all 5 videos. Theres too much proof in those videos. Open your mind man.
reptiliandomination1 8 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 then what is next? there is no sense dwelling on the past... if you know this information to be true, than go out and read the clues they are inevitably putting out towards their next random ass attack for no reason... if those exist, then go out and find them and prevent whatever they're doing instead of sitting here complaining about the last one.
cmilkes 6 months ago
@cmilkes You're right i need to concentrate on the future. Their next false flag attack will happen next year at the olympics in london. Big ben will be destroyed aswell as other parts of london. This could be what triggers world war 3. Come see my playlist i made just for the 2012 olympics. I think there is plenty of signs that show this will happen.
reptiliandomination1 6 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 You left about the part about the army of bigfoots that will emerge from the hollow earth portals at the north and south poles at the exact moment that the stars in Orion's belt are aligned with the Giza pyramids, thus unleashing the earth's aura in a blast wave of unprecedented fury that will wipe out most of the northern hemisphere wherein only those who have been implanted with the correct neural control chips will have the programming to survive.
jjobie 5 months ago
@jjobie So are you trying to funny or just being typical brain dead sheep?
reptiliandomination1 5 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 No I'd say the brain of someone who would claim 9/11 was an inside job is the brain that has died. Lets go through the facts ok. Are you really trying to tell me that the gov hijacked two planes and ran them into the towers just so that they could blow up bombs somewhere else in the building to bring it down? And don't get me start on the "scientist" who agree with you I can find scientist who say going topless helps prevent breast cancer that doesn't make it true
darkwarriorkane 5 months ago
@darkwarriorkane Listen man the illuminati infiltrate all aspects of society. Government is just thing they control. If you dont believe in the illuminati that you haven't done your research. There is plenty of proof that they excist. I dont believe are own people would do it. But i do believe people who are running the gov would. People dont understand the secret society network and how they are part of the gov. These people are dedicated to the cause of lucifer.
reptiliandomination1 5 months ago
@darkwarriorkane Until people realise this they will never understand the illuminati and how they operate. I can give you people to look up if you're willing to listen to them. Doc marquis former illuminatti member. John todd former member. Ted gunderson fromer 27 yr head of the fbi LA divison. He explains their documentabile history. I could keep going but you probably wont even look these guys up. Its not going to hurt just to listen what they have to say.
reptiliandomination1 5 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 Ok ok I will look these people up and see what they have to say, but I'm going to be hinest with you this whole things seems like something out of movie or something.
darkwarriorkane 5 months ago
@reptiliandomination1 No offense meant, but it sounds like you need to talk to a shrink.
jjobie 5 months ago
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Everywhere is a free speech zone.
The answer to 1984 is 1776!
Quote created and quoted by Alex Jones.
Hey Bill Maher free speech is not a crime. You throwing people out for exercising their free speech rights and having you're security goons attack these people is in fact a tyrannical act and it truly shows you have no regard for the first Amendment or the Constitution.
narukofan2 10 months ago
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fuck bill maher
Scratchy314 11 months ago
HE WORK FOR BUSH??
righteous187 11 months ago
AceofDiamonds,
None of our arguments have been refuted, If they had there would be no more arguments.
You put building seven in quotation marks. Does that mean you don't believe it existed?
You sound like a very naive person.
glipzik 11 months ago
@glipzik you guys wont stop no matter what ... your country got attacked, and you got nuttin better to do than blame it on yourself/your government. I cant imagine another country being that schizophrenic. Jeeez.
KenArkane 10 months ago
wtc 7 was not hit by a plane btw.
TwistdDimension 11 months ago
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Jew piece of shit
PepeTheDon666 11 months ago
It would be cool if he had actually tasered them.
USA1848 11 months ago
Anyone who still thinks that 9/11 wasn't an inside job simply hasn't seen the evidence yet.
spurstalk (dot) com/forums/showthread (dot) php?t=144746
Cosmored 11 months ago
@Cosmored the evidance for so called inside planning and execution is laughable.
desiguy55 11 months ago
@commonsense37660 Both sides are really equal in defenses, such as when people were saying the plane was only a decoy and did no real damage and that there weren't any serious fires, though it wouldn't explain why people were jumping out of the buildings if they weren't within intense heat. But there are a lot of unanswered questions.
TheExtant 11 months ago
@TheExtant Equal in defenses?!!! Really?!!! Thermite found in the aftermath, buildings falling their own little footprints at free fall speed, 3 buildings took out with 2 planes, lack of investigation, hurried clean up, etc, and all the debunkers have to say is "well any other building would've done the same thing at that intense heat" or "Your unamerican if you don't believe the official story, you must work for Al-Qaida." or "Your a conspiracy theorist!"
Dubz0408 11 months ago
@Dubz0408 I hate the unamerican term too, I'd never say that because if being an american is believing what ever the leader of your country says then that's fucking stupid. It's just that both sides do have a lot of evidence against the other and yes I know that they could've faked evidence or planted some saying the terrorists did that, but I'm on the half line mark on these sides and yes i've looked at a lot of these things it's just they're both insanely flawed.
TheExtant 11 months ago
@TheExtant Your right to question both sides, keep looking for evidence and the truth will be revealed. You'll eventually find that the US governments stories have more holes in them than Swiss cheese. Alot of the stuff they end up admitting in press statements soon after an events. Once you start to see what going on, you can predict whats going to happen next. Its all scripted. Question everything!
Dubz0408 11 months ago
@Dubz0408 Yeah I never just believe things that are told to me, I always need to see the stronger amount of fact to believe a side. I'll keep doing research on this on both sides.
TheExtant 11 months ago
@commonsense37660 I'm glad you find THOUSANDS of people dying "hilarious". And tons of wreckage was recovered from the planes. And physics says the buildings would fall straight down. It's called gravity.
Pwells1 11 months ago
I think they should hold a full investigation of 9/11, each side present all of their evidence, in court, and when the Truthers are shot to the ground, CHARGE THE TRUTH MOVEMENT TO PAY FOR IT ALL!
SvenTviking 11 months ago
@SvenTviking No the entire reason they wont hold an investigation is because somethings not right. Alot of people would go to jail, probably in our own local and federal governments. Why do you think so many people ended up "committing suicide" before they were to present evidence? Why do you think those "suicides" were overshadowed by the anthrax event? Why do you think one of the people behind the anthrax event (Bruce Ivans who worked for the US Army Medical Command) died during investigation?
Dubz0408 11 months ago 2
@Dubz0408 No. The reason they won't hold an investigation is that there is zero evidence that one is needed. None, nowt, nada. If there was, somebody would have tried a private action. This is because truthers cannot understand that wild conjecture is not evidence. Look at the biggest name spokesman for the truth movement. Charlie Sheen. Thats the best you got? Drunken, coked up idiot? And when you have a big event like 9/11 with thousands of witnesses, some DO die within ten years.
SvenTviking 11 months ago
@SvenTviking WTF? Charlie Sheen is hyped up by the media owners who probably directly or indirectly had something to do with this. 2600 people died in the towers alone, but no investigation is needed? No one has been charged or tried for what happed, but no investigation is needed? Bin laden was reported by Israel and Pakistan to be dead in 2001, the US government has been caught faking Bin Laden videos, but no investigation is needed?
Dubz0408 11 months ago
fuck this mason
dontblink1 11 months ago
Your video isn't funny, the interesting part was what happened on the show.
MrPixlCrushr 11 months ago
HAHAHAHAHAHA XD
TheLucifersrebirth 1 year ago
BOSS
junyaB 1 year ago
Why is it so hard to believe that building 7 fell from both massive damage from TWO SKYSCRAPERS falling onto it and internal fires? Just because some video footage taken from far away doesn't show the building melt before our eyes is proof that there wasn't a huge fire inside?
I used to be a truther, but then I grew up. Believing in conspiracy theories is more fun than the mainstream story, it gives you a sense of superiority over others for doing absolutely nothing, but it's just not true.
ThwartedVillainy 1 year ago
@ThwartedVillainy
A little something called physics doesn't allow for belief in the official conspiracy theory. There was no massive damage to building 7, it had buildings between it and the trade centers and, if it were to collaps from massive damage on one side, it would fall down, not self-destruct.
BBBWWWVVV 1 year ago
@BBBWWWVVV You don't understand the physics at hand. How about you actually read the official report rather than pulling shit out of your ass?
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 The official report is misinformation and doesn't even address building 7. A fact which, by itself, proves there's a cover up. I am not pulling physics out of my ass. A building collapsing down on itself does not launch metal beams horizontally into distant buildings. It also doesn't fall neatly into it's own footprint. The top portion of the building would only have the force to destroy an equal number of floors below, being destroyed itself in the process, yet It doesn't even slow.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV They've addressed building 7. It had 25% of the one side scooped out from when the two towers fell, plus it had a fire that raged for hours without anyone fighting it. And it had a very odd architectural design, where a very few columns were bearing ridiculous loads, and if even one failed, it could bring the whole building down.
The towers didn't fall neatly into their own footprints. They did spill out and harm nearby buildings. Look up the actual science, not the crazy bs
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 the fire "raged" for only a couple hours on a couple floors. look up the steel structure building fire in spain. it burned for over 24 hrs i believe, the whole thing totally burnt out, and had to be dismantled with cranes and such. it did Not collapse.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@Pwells1 And no, the 9/11 commission report did NOT address building 7.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV "The top portion of the building would only have the force to destroy an equal number of floors below" This just shows how completely moronic you are. Yes, that top portion of the building could only destroy a certain number of floors before, but then when those floors are destroyed, the top portion AND THOSE FLOORS is coming down on the floors below that. The result is a chain reaction where each floor that collapses compounds the amount of weight coming down.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 Thats childish. There is no chain reaction of floors. The whole structure beneath all of those floors is well capable of supporting all that weight. only the top portion has the momentum to destroy equal floors beneath. after that initial impact, the crushed floors would simply fall off the side, not take the whole building down into its footprint. They only harmed the buildings around their base. unavoidable with hundreds of floors of debris.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Excuse me for intruding into your debate, but what law of gravity do you cite that makes 500 thousand tons of steel, glass, wood, furniture, drywall, electrical, plumbing and human beings, simply "fall off the side"? Issac Newton says you are merely a witless and naive pawn of the insane 911 Truthers in your blind acceptance of their doctrine. If lateral forces are not emanating from outside the structure, it will fall straight down. See Newton's Inverse-Square Law.
FleetwoodFactor 11 months ago
@FleetwoodFactor No law of gravity. laws of momentum and force. When two things collide, no matter their sizes, they impact on eachother with equal force. as the top portion supposedly fell from the height of about a floor or two, both the top portion and an equal number of floors beneath would have been crushed. then it would have stopped as the rest of the building was structurally sound. I imagine the debris would fall off to the side.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Your IMAGINING the debris falling off to the side notwithstanding, the force of impact of the planes had come to a complete halt long before the buildings fell. Again, it is logical for the structures to collapse upon themselves from their own weight as the added mass of each floor above was added to the mass of each collapsing floor in a cumulative fashion and bringing into play Newton's 2nd Law of Motion. But you prefer to believe an insane conspiracy theory, so we will never agree.
FleetwoodFactor 11 months ago
@FleetwoodFactor (cont) at play, and gravity goes straight down, the building would just fall straight down. Again, in order to fall sideways, there needs to be some kind of force to push it that way. Without a proper fulcrum point, that won't happen.It's important to understand that the building does not have solid steel beams on the side where each beam spans 50 floors. Each beam is like 1 floor.This building is a series of intricate parts, so you can't think of it as one solid rigid structure
Pwells1 11 months ago
@FleetwoodFactor Whoops, that was meant to be at BBBWWWWVVVV
Pwells1 11 months ago
@FleetwoodFactor the debris falling off is irrelevant. it can sit on top. it doesn't matter. The point is that there is no "added mass of each floor above". The structure was standing for many years supporting all the weight with ease. cutting out an entire floor and dropping the top part on the building would NOT produce the video we saw on 9/11. That is obvious. The insane conspiracy theory is that cave dwellers with boxcutters pulled off 9/11.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Again, there is added mass to each floor, because, as I said, the weight is coming down on the MIDDLE OF THE FLOORS and not just on load baring columns. Also, as the building picks up speed, it is coming down with greater energy than what those beams normally have to hold.
Also, what are you quoting there with your ridiculous heat numbers? Your ass?
And yes, I'm sure the govt bribed every damn engineer in the country.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 my "ridiculous" heat numbers can be found everywhere on the internet. jet fuel in open air fire burns at around 550 F. Not every engineer in the country has applied themselves to the problem, those who have done so have joined the architects and engineers for 9/11 truth organization. Those who support the official conspiracy theory are owned by the government.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV The fact that you can't understand how a group of people with knives (a box cutter is a fucking knife strong and sharp enough to easily stab someone or slit a throat) could hijack a plane, and that you would spit on everyone who died on those planes, is indicative of just how delusional you are. I'm done.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 Truly, you are the one spitting on the graves of those who died that day. You refuse to persue the truth and seek justice for those people and their families. You are the one who is delusional. You refuse to see ALL of the MASSIVE holes in the official conspiracy theory. And keep in mind, there need only be ONE hole in it to prove its ALL garbage.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Keep pretending you are important. You simply don't comprehend the physics and architecture at hand.
Pray tell, what do you think happened to all those people who died btw? You already said the one plane didn't crash in Pennsylvania, and that none of them were hijacked by the 19 muslim terrorists. So what is your version of what happened? And what happened to those who died on those planes? Where did they go?
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 I'm not pretending I'm important. Another personal attack and random assertion with no basis. Your chips must be down. I never said the one plane didn't crash in pennsylvania, but i've heard there was no plane debris to be found? And of course, if there was no plane, I would have no knowledge of the passengers whereabouts and it isn't my job to find out or know? :S
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV I'm totally amazed how moronic your argument is. "The remaining floors are structurally sound" but they are not meant to bear weight in the way that it is coming down. Each floor falls one by one, because all of a sudden, instead of weight just going on the load baring columns, its going on EVERYTHING which causes other areas of that floor to collapse under the weight (because they aren't meant to bare it) and THEN the load baring columns come down as a result. (CONT)
Pwells1 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV (CONT) then once that floor is collapsed, it moves to the next floor. And it keeps going like this in a chain reaction where each floor is having to bare more and more weight that it is not meant to. Again, yes, the columns and such were meant to bare weight, BUT NOT EVERY PART OF THE FLOOR! Also, many an engineer has explained why, due to physics, nothing would ever fall off the side. There isn't enough of a fulcrum point, and thus the building, since gravity is the only force (CONT)
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 *The fact you can't spell "bear" is indicative of your intelligence.* regardless though, the pancake theory is easily debunked as, if you believe all the floors would have collapsed around the central columns, the central columns would still be standing. Everything was instead pulverized, there were no central columns left standing.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Also I apologize for mixing up the usage of bare and bear (a common mistake). However, grammatical errors on a fucking message board are hardly indicative of intelligence, and attacking grammar is a usual tactic of someone when their chips are down.
Wake up, and look into the actual physics of pancake collapse as explained by experts, not by kids in their basements who don't get the intricacies of it.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 You did not address the fact that there were no central columns left standing. Pancake theory is a joke. There are no intricacies. Again, if you believe the floors are collapsing down, one after another, each time adding weight and hitting the floors beneath, fair enough, but the core columns would NOT be collapsing as it went. They would remain standing.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV The core columns are not one solid piece from bottom to top. They too are separate pieces welded floor by floor. You don't seem to understand this.
Ok, thank you for NOT AT ALL quoting your source on those numbers. The official numbers are more like 1300-1500 degrees and that with the burning furniture and such some reached 1800 degrees. So quote me a source that goes against the official experts.
By making fun of how they were hijacked, you are spitting on their memory.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 "official experts" hmm? thank you for NOT AT ALL quoting your official experts. "By making fun of how they were hijacked, you are spitting on their memory." That is THE most ludicrous assertion you have made thus far. Firstly because I am making fun of the official 9/11 explanation, Not the victims. Secondly, because making fun of how they were hijacked would not in any way deface the victims memory :S What a strange, twisted claim to make.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@Pwells1 Also, the fact that core columns are not one piece does not refute anything I just said, they are still core columns running from top to bottom, Nothing in the top portion would have damaged them coming down. Your pancake theory asserts that the floors fell down AROUND the core columns. You can't have it both ways.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@FleetwoodFactor Also, only a chunk was taken out of each building by the planes, only a few columns potentially cut (though doubtful) but certainly all columns would not disintegrate. Just as with felling a tree, a chunk is taken out and it falls sideways. The tree doesnt start dropping down vertically and turning into saw dust. derrrrrrrrrrr
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV (cont) at play, and gravity goes straight down, the building would just fall straight down. Again, in order to fall sideways, there needs to be some kind of force to push it that way. Without a proper fulcrum point, that won't happen. It's important to understand that the building does not have solid steel beams on the side where each beam spans 50 floors. Each beam is like 1 floor. This building is a series of intricate parts, so you can't think of it as one solid rigid structure
Pwells1 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Also there have been subsequent reports that do address building 7. I suggest you do that research thing you're supposedly so good at and look it up. NIST.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 NIST, like the 9/11 commision, is not a reliable source in any way. Anything commissioned by the same damn government will be their pawn. NIST didn't even check the debris for explosive residue, which was found by other scientists and published in a scientific journal in one of the scandinavian countries I believe. Those tests were performed by a phd chemist at a respected university. It also still doesn't excuse the fact that wtc 7 was ignored by the commission to start.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV One of the main things you fail to realize, as I said, is that when the top floors begin falling, they are hitting the floors below with a force GREATER than their own weight, just as holding a free weight above your head steadily is much easier than if I were to drop it on you or throw it down at you and expect you to catch it. So even the load bearing sections of the floors below were having to bear a force they never had to before.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV I didn't realize you were a structural engineer, because every expert engineer disagrees with you about how pancaking floors would work.
That steel structure in Spain also did not have a 747 crash into it at 500mph with jet fuel that started a fire that burned at upwards of 1800 degrees.
The building falls "smoothly" at far less than freefall, because there is constant friction slowing it down.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 You and I are arguing with a brick wall. If the walls of the WTC were as thick as BBBWWWW, the buildings would still be standing.
FleetwoodFactor 11 months ago
@Pwells1 might wanna check your numbers buddy. "In an open-air office fire such as that at WTC (called a "dirty burn") kerosene or any hydrocarbon will burn at around 500-700degrees Fahrenheit. The FEMA report on 911 said that the jet fuel burned off after a few minutes and the fires from the office furniture and carpets were about 560 degrees. The special structural steel of the WTC has over 98% of its strength at those temperatures, and the WTC was built to hold 5 times its load."
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@Pwells1 So i looked again and found that jet fuel burns at 550F in open air but can reach a MAXIMUM of 1800 with optimum mixtures of gases while structural steel melts at about 2800, so the beams wouldn't even weaken. Here, take a look at this video on the physics of the collapse, drawing from papers by independent scientists with credentials called "What a Gravity-Driven Demolition Looks Like" If you refuse to comprehend basic physics of the collapse, we can move on to the more blatant lies.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV The beams lose half their strength at 1100 degrees and far more than that at 1800. And controlled demolition experts have already laid out why the towers collapse looks nothing like a controlled demolition.
And again, you haven't answered what is your version, and what happened to those people on those planes?
Also, what would the point of a controlled demolition be anyway? Or faking a plane crash in Penn? Isn't ramming planes into these 3 structures enough incentive for a war?
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 Controlled demolition experts say nothing but the contrary. They say it looks Exactly like a controlled demolition. The point of a controlled demolition is to bring down the buildings, obviously. I never mentioned pennsylvania.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV "I never said the one plane didn't crash in pennsylvania You then go on to assert that a plane never crashed, claiming you heard from some guy that no debris was found even though YES debris and body parts were found. And if there was no plane crash, then yes, it is your job to prove what happened to that flight number seeing as you're trying to prove it did something other than crash.
This is how you spit on people's graves, by asserting they didn't die or were in on it or whatever
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 I don't care whether or not there was a plane crash in pennsylvania. I didn't hear it from some guy either, i've seen plenty of videos and pictures of the crash site and there was nothing there but a scar in the ground. Why do you think there was anything found there? Because the government said so? show me the pics.
If there was no plane crash it is NOT my responsibility to prove it or say what really happened. (cont.)
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV "I don't care whether or not there was a plane crash in pennsylvania" Followed by you asserting there wasn't one, so obviously you do. "If there was no plane crash it is NOT my responsibility to prove it or say what really happened." Umm, YES IT ABSOLUTELY IS because you are going against the scientifically accepted scenario. Thus, you have to prove your case if you think otherwise.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 (cont.) There was a conspiracy. That means things are kept secret. Of course I can't tell you how everything was accomplished. What foolish idea. There are certain aspects of the official story that do not add up. If even ONE thing doesn't add up, then the government is lieing. JUST ONE. And there are more than enough. For one, you did not address the explosives residue unquestionably found in the WTC dust. This is incontravertable evidence.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Everything adds up. You simply don't comprehend it. And again, there is no point to controlled demolition or to faking a plane crash in Pennsylvania. There was no explosive residue found.
And you're the research expert (ha!) so look up the experts who agree with NIST. They're the majority BY FAR. It's the loons here and there who don't get it.
Ok I'm done with you. After you asserted you don't need to prove anything, you proved yourself a MORON who doesn't get Science.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 LOL, you're the one not comprehending. I pointed to credible scientific papers published by phd scientists. r u a fucking phd scientist? I'm not sure how many times I have to say this (LOL, retarded??) the demolition was to make the buildings collapse. Its a lot more trouble if the buildings are left standing with big holes in them. I am taking sciences in university. I do not have my degree yet but I am sure that I am more educated than you, the moron who doesn't get BASIC logic.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@Pwells1 The logic i'm referring to of course is the fact (which i already explained... meathead) that i don't need to know exactly how 9/11 was really carried out in detail. I need only point to the smoking gun which says a gun was fired. Then i say, A fucking gun was fired. this man wasn;t stabbed. the guy holding the knife cudnt be the murderer. lets investigate this murder. thats all we're asking for, a real investigation. What do you have to lose btw, if we get a real investigation?
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@Pwells1 I would also mention that i have read some of the NIST reports and they are full of methodological flaws. Read "The Missing Jolt". It's Very clear, Very simple, Anyone could understand it. And tho I have already mentioned the phd papers, i must repeat, explosive residue WAS found, UNDENIABLY. repeat: UNDENIABLY, by different scientists with proper credentials from different countries. There evidence is laid out clearly in those papers. NIST refused to even LOOK for explosives residue.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@Pwells1 I like how u've stopped trying to address all the flaws with WTC collapse and the scientific evidence i presented to focus instead on the penn. crash which I said wasn't important.
Still, what proof do you have that anything was found at the crash site? i've watched the news reels of the time, the vids and the pics, nothing but a scar in the ground. It is Not my job to prove what happened there, i cannot travel to penn. on a whim, foolish child. It is the job of a new investigation.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV There is not one controlled demolition expert who says the towers look like a controlled demolition. They simply don't.
And again, why would a controlled demolition even be necessary? What is the point? The planes crashing was already devastating enough.
And again, what would be the point of faking a plane crash in Pennsylvania?
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 There are many controlled demo. experts who say so. Look them up. You keep saying "structural engineers this" and "demo experts that". Link me to some testimony/ experiments/ peer reviewed scientific papers by people with credentials who are NOT part of NIST or the commission report as those organizations are clearly not reliable by their deliberate avoidance of key aspects of 9/11. You can also tell me why no footage of the pentagon crash has been released.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@Pwells1 look up danny jawenko, a dutch demolitions expert, on youtube. That's the first guy I found. A controlled demolition was necessary to bring the buildings down, as I have previously stated. Stop being obtuse and putting ur pride and identity into this argument. About pennsylvania, though I mentioned some oddities, I find it irrelevant and not worth discussing. Remember, I only need to know that ONE thing is wrong and I DONT need to explain what Really happened.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV As for official experts, do that thing you call research and find them. Start with the NIST report. And no, the govt is not paying off hundreds of scientists
Pwells1 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV And I think experts in the field, hundreds of experts, know more than you. And no, not all of them could have been paid off. The building did slow btw. It falls at several seconds less than freefall, but yes, we are dealing in seconds. That's what happens when you're dealing in thousands of tons of force coming down. It all happens very fast.
This 9/11 conspiracy nonsense was perpetuated by a bunch of moronic kids who flunked out of film school, and people wanting to feel important
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 The top portion did Not slow At all. you can watch any video of the collapse and see that plainly. it falls smoothly. scientists don't need to be paid off. Such naïveté. They need only fear losing funding for their experiments or losing their job completely. no need for big pay offs. and what media institution would cover their testimony anyway? the media is owned by conservatives who support the status quo.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV You mean the junk physics based on guestimations that have since been debunked? Yeah, according to things I made up, Santa Claus must also be real.
ThwartedVillainy 11 months ago
@ThwartedVillainy Wow you're dumb and not worth my time anymore. You just keep repeating the same nonsense. Have fun pretending you are smart and important.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 You responded to thwarted... lol, but you didn't address any of my "nonsense". That is, of course, because you can't. The very simplest evidence for government cover up is that of 85 videos "possibly" capturing the attack on the pentagon (as stated by the CIA when ordered by the freedom of information act), only 2 videos have been released showing explosions, but no planes. Tell me pwells, wut do they have to hide?? wut do YOU have to hide that you fight so hard against the truth?
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV I said I'm done with you. You're just a broken record on a loop.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 LOL, I haven't said the same thing twice, you on the other hand have repeated the same nonsense again and again without even Trying to refute all my proof. You don't even have a Reason to argue with me. lol, get a life and stfu.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV You don't have any proof. Read NIST and what every peer accepted expert has said. End of discussion.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 I've read NIST. more importantly I've watched their Q&A interview sessions in which they sidestep every question. Apparently you haven't done so. watch the vids on youtube, particularly "NIST admits freefall" for all the conclusive proof you need.
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@BBBWWWVVV Ugh you are retared.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@Pwells1 Wow, not even looking at all the evidence I present. The height of ignorance. What's it like living way up there?
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
@ThwartedVillainy I don't even know what your talking about. Since you must be a physicist, please explain to me the flaws in the paper "The Missing Jolt". Tell me why physics is garbage.
Then, with Your doctorate in chem, disprove the chemical analysis done on WTC dust by Dr. Neils Harrit of the University of Copenhagen. You've just got your eyes shut, ears plugged, going "lalalallala I can't hear youu!!"
BBBWWWVVV 11 months ago
see the problem i have with 911 conspiracy is that it's just so complicated ii don't think bush would have needed to go through those lengths to start a war or scare the fuck out of people they could have just as easily made some fake documents and made it look as if it were leaked out onto the news why go through the whole dog and pony show there are so many easier ways to trick people
TheWhiteOp 1 year ago
@TheWhiteOp
What's so complicated about 9/11 conspiracy theories? I'm sure we've all heard some really crazy theories too, but I believe the general consensus is that we just don't know. Certainly, there are large holes in the official explanation.
BBBWWWVVV 1 year ago
@BBBWWWVVV not really
bphutchins 1 year ago
9/11 Was an inside job.
and bill maher is a zionist fag.
bmw200000 1 year ago
turak0.
The whole 9/11 farce is not based on science. Science is no more than observation. Since the events of 9/11 do not fit in with any previous observable phenomana or observation of scientfic physical law that should have been a red flag to any intelligent observer. However politicians and the military have a term they use to extricate themselves from blame and it's called plausible denial. This is the only mode of argument the debunkers have in their arsenal.
glipzik 1 year ago 6
@glipzik Physics has been observed and tested before, and there are mathematical formulas and observations that you can take and apply to new problems. We know steel loses half of its strength at 1100 degrees, and far more than that at 1800. We can calculate the force of gravity, the force on the building, the force of the plane hitting the building, the force on the beams and trusses when the structure is failing, the etc etc etc.
Pwells1 11 months ago
@glipzik
oh really? and what evidence to the "truthers" have? All your arguments have been refuted, starting with your precious "building 7". The "Journal of 9/11 Studies" is a dubious site with no scientifically verifiable evidence.
nice try though.
A conclusion is made only AFTER PEER REVIEWED evidence is set AS FACT.
AceofDlamonds 11 months ago
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MrHARDSTON 1 year ago
MAN do i FEEL smart when I TYpe partly in CAPital letters LIKE i was SHOUTING everyother WORD but NOT every SINGLE one SO people CANT say IM using CAPSlock
Kabypara 1 year ago 2
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SiouxBwoi 1 year ago
He did? Well good for him!! Hope he tasers more!
mjh012363 1 year ago
Thoes truthers were just begging for an ass kicking. Seriously why don't they shut up!?!
TheBrightPulse 1 year ago