Belief in hell 1: Losing a loved one

[mckohtz]

Thank you for the video. I understand the loss of a parent to cancer b/c I lost my father to cancer 6 months ago. I was hard for him to injure and also hard for us as a family to watch him suffer. I find comfort in the fact that at the moment of death he is now no longer suffering. This is a Buddhist teaching and I find myself leaning more and more on the philosophy of Buddhism since his pasting...

[JesusCHisOurSavior]

But most he endured psychical pain, loss of his family, friends...

[JesusCHisOurSavior]

We all have in our lifes an experience similar to Job, we all have our faith tested. Job kept his faith till the end, he lost everything, he endured so much physical pain. That was a real man strong in faith, and never left God. God gives, God takes away, he said.

[gashyna]

I am sorry for the loss of your mother. It is difficult to imagine a place so horrid that Christ willing endured a Roman crucifixion to keep us out. God desires us to be united with Him (Joh 17:21). To be united, it is absolutely necessary to both give and receive forgiveness (Mat 6:14-15). Bitterness and shame are barriers to God. Trust in Christ's sacrifice removes both (Rom 8:1)

[StellaLeBret]

When we pass we go to a place that is consistent with our soul condition irrelevant if we believe in god/jesus or not. The "hells" a word I do not like-but have learnt to accept is a darker place to reflect those darker soul conditions......our concept of heaven is a place that is in the 7th dimension when we have perfected our love to a certain level and a place we can all move to no matter how we start out.

[ThePropheticfire]

oh sorry you were talking bout your mom here....had not listened to all the vid...

[ThePropheticfire]

tried to watch today but felt like throwing up ,,,strange,,,,then it left...wht the

[Toothfairy01701]

"In the grave, there is no memory or knowledge (consciousness) wither thou goest." In order to experience "torment:" you have to be concious. If there is no consciousness in the grave, what difference does it make if there is fire or not! Utterly rediculous notion  to believe unconscious people can experience torment., for which the bible gives no support of. Where is the reasoning of "hell"?

[Toothfairy01701]

Hell is not a place but a condition. "The wages of sin is death." not eternal torment.

"In the grave, there is no memory or knowledge (consciousness) wither thou goest." In order to experience "torment:" you have to be concious. If there is no consciousness in the grave, what difference does it make if there is fire or not! Utterly rediculous notion to believe unconscious people can experience torment., for which the bible gives no support of. Where is the reasoning of "hell"?

[summersun2828]

Thanks so much for sharing this with us Darryl. It's not something that people normally talk about, especially when it comes to sharing personal experiences like yours but it shows that you are opening yourself up to others so that they too can understand how the whole concept of hell just, like you say, does not compute.

[darrylsloan]

@summersun2828 You're welcome. I'm glad some of my older videos are still getting a few plays.

[HatRatt]

I'm agnostic. Your mother is a part of the evolution process of our Universe. I suspect she is stilll evolving... somewhere. But I don't know... Maybe, maybe not. But evolution is for real! AND!!! It is so much more fun to believe in evolution! Evolution computes!

[GlobalDating]

what do you think of those with NDE's who report going to hell? are those just lower astral planes?

[darrylsloan]

@GlobalDating This isn't a subject I've researched. But it's a fascinating one. At some point I will look into the various scientific studies that have been done.

[eamonncake]

@GlobalDating It doesn't depend on them being good or bad people, as a Christian would define it (things like their sexuality or their petty failings) but generally on their state of mind at the time - if they were depressed or going through trauma or whatever. I think thats generally the case.

[eamonncake]

@GlobalDating It doesn't depend on them being good or bad people, as a Christian would define it (things like their sexuality or their petty failings) but generally on their state of mind at the time - if they were depressed or going through trauma or whatever. I think thats generally the case.

[sal8504]

thank you so much for this video... it is helpful. there really isnt much info/support for people who have a loved one that ISNT in heaven... God bless.

[darrylsloan]

@sal8504 You're welcome. Thank you for the kind words.

[spygurl126]

Also, I am sorry to hear about ur mom. Nearly every person i know is not saved. It is not easy to know that people we love died without Christ. It is terribly painful and our minds cannot wrap around it. The truth is that there are people who simply will reject the Word of God and Christ's atoning work on the cross. They believe their feelings or opinions of others over the Word of God. That said it is still a person's choice, albeit a horrible, eternal one.

[darrylsloan]

@spygurl126 I thank you for your forthrightness, but I suspect you probably don't believe in hell as much as you think you do. Perhaps someday your belief will be tested intimately, as mine was. I hope you watch part 2 of my video, because I elaborate on this theme.

Perhaps also your foundational belief of the Bible as the Word of God is incorrect. I certainly cannot believe that to be so, after much consideration.

[spygurl126]

@darrylsloan I completely believe in Hell and went more than halfway to death not once but twice last year and I was unsaved at the time. I have studied world religion for approx. 15 years yet did not have my spiritual eyes and ears opened by God until recently. I do take the Bible to be the literal word of God. Not religions, but the literal Word of God alone. That being said, I shall keep you in my prayers.

[darrylsloan]

@spygurl126 If you are interested in the full story of my conversion to Christ and deconversion from Christ, may I recommend the first two chapters of my book "Reality Check" which you can download free from scribd(dot)com/darrylsloan

[spygurl126]

The Bible is very clear on this. I had a friend who passed a couple years ago unsaved at the early age of 38. If one passes in their sins without Christ and rejected this gift of Salvation they go to Hell (Sheol), the waiting place til the final Great white Throne Judgment (Revelations-believers will not be at this one), then Death, Hell, the antichrist, the false prophet, Satan and those who rejected Christ are to go to the lake of fire. Eternal separation from God.

[TheDoveLady]

Thank you so much for this video so full of your personal wisdom. You are speaking truth to my way of thinking. I'm saving this to my favorites.

[Sora657]

i'm 50-50 in believing and not believing in heaven hell and god.

[yegorletoff]

man... it must have been really terrible... i lost a few people i loved as well and i'm just happy that i was never brainwashed with any belief systems. nobody ever told me about god, hell, jesus and stuff, until i actually realized (when i was 16 or so) that people really believe in something which was written in some obscure books some thousands years ago. i am so glad that i could just say good bye to people i loved and who died and be sure that they really "rest in peace"...

[BadAlbert]

What a terrible and senseless burden to have had to carry. 'Hell does not compute' Indeed. Another interesting and honest video.

[Scorner99]

This is a very important topic.

[gadzometer]

Sorry to hear about your Mum mate.

I personally think that hell is living without love. So the loss of a loved one could definitely be hellish.

So a question for a future video Darryl. Why do "bad" things happen to "good" people? What is the purpose of suffering? Is there a purpose at all?

[darrylsloan]

Mmm. I'm not sure I feel qualified to make a video on that one. Big subject. On the one hand, looking at a photograph of, say, Iraqi war victims (especially children), would suggest that anything goes. And yet life sometimes presents us with synchonicities, and the suggestion of meaning and purpose behind the direction of our lives. I don't have a fully formed opinion about it all yet.

[gadzometer]

Yeah.. this is the thing that always throws a spanner in the works for me.

[vicktrickly72]

When i was really young, maybe around 9 years old my mom told my aunt that i wasn't baptized and she freaked out and everything. Some day around there she immediately took me to a church to be baptized, without me even having a say in it, and when i walked out of the church i had uneasy feelings and thoughts that demons were after me and such and i was thinking, why didn't she let ME make the choice to be baptized or not, and the water dunking thing, the person was rather aggressive with that.

[darrylsloan]

I'm guessing your aunt was Catholic. The Protestant view of baptism is symbolic, but for Catholics baptism confers the grace of God supernaturally to the child. So in your aunt's mind, you had been living outside of God's grace for 9 years, and if you had died in that state you would have went to hell/limbo.

The almighty God who created the universe, thwarted from helping you because your parents chose not to have water sprinkled over you.

How could a rational person swallow this garbage?

[elwintro]

@darrylsloan

"you had been living outside of God's grace for 9 years, and if you had died in that state you would have went to hell/limbo"

That's not true. Go read the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 1257 through 1261.

"How could a rational person swallow this garbage?"

Through the same means that someone could swallow the philosophical absurdity of "Infinite Consciousness," I suppose.

[darrylsloan]

Fair enough, elwintro. I checked out the Catechism. Basically it seems to be saying that baptism is necessary for salvation, except in certain circumstances where baptism was not known or doable, then the "desire for baptism" (a very widely encompassing term) will serve in place of baptism. And the Chruch hopes that the grace of God will cover unbaptised children.

It read like playing catch-up for the unfeasibility of the original statement: "Baptism is necessary for salvation."

[elwintro]

@darrylsloan

"It read like playing catch-up for the unfeasibility of the original statement: "Baptism is necessary for salvation.""

Of course it seems that way to you with your hermeneutic of skepticism. But this is a HUGE theological question, and you have to give the Church credit for considering all of its nuances, instead of being like those who would be absolutist and literal about it, and put signs up on telegraph poles.

[Oobe]

all religion is fake, but family is real.

[58cache]

if you never heard about Jesus Christ in this earth, you would have a chance to accept Jesus after death, not sure this is how its going to happen but its only fair i guess, i would never worship a God who was not fair regarding salvation.

[darrylsloan]

But you just made that up. Surely you're only making up that concession because you can see that the plan of salvation is unfair.

[moa373]

btw.

i was raised in a non christian home.

the only one who really helped me come to accept jesus was Jesus himself (though physically , Jesus had given me my first friend, but still, at the time, Jesus lead me to salvation. i had a choice, i chose.)

[virtuallad06]

When I mean Nasty fea rmongering Christians I mean these ones

watch?v=Ns-kPDVXACE

Listen to the woman in this video andd the baptist Church she is a member of

Such a shame she is quite Hot Sadistic

And u cna find pretty Fundies everywere here on youtube, Religion has invaded Google, Infact The whole Internet, it's a Joke, I think it is time we give them a piece of their own medicine

[jungian9111]

The sheer horror of all her judgment sickens me. I've been watching those video's about that church that protest at gay's funerals. Its so fucked up....makes me cry..

[darrylsloan]

Westboro Baptist. I know them well. Louis Theroux did an interesting documentary where he living among that family for a few days.

Well, I think, in fairness, you have to let these people speak their minds, even though what they say is awful. If we justify censorship, it's only a matter of time before we're all being censored.

[jungian9111]

Yes that's them. What an ugly bunch of people :(

[jungian9111]

That lady is from the Westboro church, I didn't realize that Dean. That lady deserves hell if there was such a thing!

[virtuallad06]

God is meant to be fair and Just right??? So how come if a 5 year old and that 5 years old father were ina car accident (And I hoppe it never happens) And both Die, The Father goes to Hell and the Child goes to Heaven, Even though te father was a very good Person, But becasue he didint believe in jesus goes to Hell?? Does that sound like a God with a temper of a 3 year old???? And to the fact there are Christians (Hell Fire preachers) Go to eaven and their really the Nasty people

[jungian9111]

Wonderful testimony. I've worked Hospice for 25 years now, the people that are Christians and dieing have far more fear than those who simply love. They are unable at times to compute the process due to being bothered with the sins that they have committed and haven't repented of. (Hospice here in the U.S. is the last six months of life) Its been an honor to give an unconditional energy without the concern they may go to hell!

[Misteryman94]

Merry Christmas Darryl ... if you stil celebrate it ^_^

[darrylsloan]

You too, Misteryman. :-)

[Riyuzakisan]

I think God's a pretty cool guy. Eh, creates the universe and Heaven and doesn't afraid of Satan.

[alanstarkie2001]

Thanks for sharing Darryl. It's hard to lose your mum. I'm a non-believer but I think your mum would have had some comfort from your prayer. It's not a God thing, it's a human thing.

[1ThinkOutsideTheBox1]

Thought provoking video, Darryl. One thing that assures me there is no hell is, what about let's say, new born babies that die at birth. Does that mean they're damned to Hell because they haven't repented? Or do they automatically go to Heaven because they haven't had a chance to repent?

I agree that it's just too terrible to wrap your head around.

[chrisdotwynn]

@1ThinkOutsideTheBox1

I think the bible talks about children automatically being accepted into heaven. I can't give you a chapter though, but I remember hearing that somewhere

[1ThinkOutsideTheBox1]

But why do only children get automatically accepted? Why does this "religious God" bend the rules for children and no one else? That's exactly why I don't believe in hell.

Thanks, chrisdotwuynn! :-)

[chrisdotwynn]

@1ThinkOutsideTheBox1

Well, if there is a hell, and if it is based on our lives, then it would only make sense that a person that came into this life but hasn't had time to develope mentally would be accepted in heaven. If your mind isn't fully developed to this world, then how can you be judged by worldly actions? How can you be judged in comparision to the next man when the next man doesn't consider you an equal mentally?Its like getting a gold ticket in Charlie and the Chocolate Factory

[1ThinkOutsideTheBox1]

"...a person that came into this life but hasn't had time to develope mentally..."

I realise this, but what I'm saying is that, what if an adult had never heard of God before or known that you have to repent to go to Heaven, and then died. Do they get to automatically go to heaven, or does it only apply to babies?Now, I understand that it's difficult to not ever hear of this widely spread God in your entire lifetime, but you might not possibly in third world countries or native lands.

[darrylsloan]

I agree. The fact that only a portion of the world hears the Christian message makes it instantly unfair to humanity as a whole. I have to ask, would God really run a game of "eternity by postcode" as the means of salvation.

[elwintro]

@1ThinkOutsideTheBox1

"Do they get to automatically go to heaven, or does it only apply to babies?"

Please let me direct your attention to the Catechism of the Catholic Church, paragraphs 1257 through 1261, for an answer to your question. Not everything Darryl has to say about Christianity is true, certainly not if you look at what ALL the different denominations have to say for themselves.

[chrisdotwynn]

Actually, if I'm correct in my thinking, I think I've read that a non believer will be shown more mercy than a person that knows God's word and chooses to disobey. Basically, if you don't know his words, then you are better off then the person that does and chooses not to obey it.

[gokuhawks14]

@chrisdotwynn huh? Where have u read this . Not from the bible I'm assuming, and what is this more mercy. Will their hell be less painful than that of ones who disobeyed god's word knowing what it said?

[chrisdotwynn]

@gokuhawks14

The bible is exaclty where I read that, but don't ask me to quote you the exact location. I've read that if you are a non believer, then you are shown more mercy than those that believe and choose to disobey. I am not God, and I have not died yet, so I don't know anything beyond what I've said. Who knows what will happen when we are gone, or who will be shown mercy and who won't.

[gokuhawks14]

@chrisdotwynn well from what I understand rev talks about everyone going into the lake of fire in the end. It seems like all non believers get the same fate. I'm trying to do a google search to find this passage your talking about, because I have never head such a passage.

[chrisdotwynn]

@gokuhawks14

See, everyone has their own interpretation. In fact, there are plenty of reverends that have their own agendas when speaking publically. That doesn't mean they are all bad or misinformed.The passage is in the bible,trust me, I have no reason to lie. Look at it like this:Revs are like Bodybuilders,lol. There are 1,000s of bodybuilders(me being 1,lol), but ask any how to get big, and you'll hear 1,000 different routines to reach the same desired size with only the basics in common.

[darrylsloan]

Indeed, and for the Christian who demands good answers, things quickly get complicated.

Like, did the children & babies that God commanded Israel to slaughter in 1 Samuel 15 all go to heaven, while their parents went to hell?

And, if babies and young children go to heaven by default, at what exact point in their lives do the tables turn, and they become hell-bound?

The salvation/damnation concept makes no sense to me.

[jaysteinbourg]

Heaven and Hell were used in stories 2000 years ago to scare people.

Today we have 'terror threat' in News stories to scare people.

When you can make people afraid you can manipulate them into doing whatever you want.

[chrisdotwynn]

@jaysteinbourg

I somewhat agree with that statement. Its hard to let go my belief in God, because I know that there is a creator of all life. God may not be a he or a she, but I know there is a creator of life. We all didn't just appear out of the blue. Also, I find it hard to believe that we will ever understand our creation. I don't think its possible for something that was created to understand how or why it was created. Its like a robot trying to understand why we made it, ya know?

[SuperDrSmart]

@jaysteinbourg I thought the exact same thing 3 days ago!

[chrisdotwynn]

I find the afterlife to be a very interesting subject, and the possibilities are truly endless as to what could actually happen when we cross over. I do believe in God, or a higher being that ultimately created all life, but I am skeptical about man and his thoughts. I think you should meditate on this. Truly sit in a deep medatative state for at least one whole day(assuming you have the time.) and think about whats troubling you. The answers will come, I assure you. Sorry for your loss.

[darrylsloan]

Oh, I'm completely untroubled about my mother's final destination. And Christianity is long gone from my mind. I do agree that there is a God, but that God is not a religious deity exclusive to one religion. He/it is something for more profound than any man-made religion has ever expressed.

[chrisdotwynn]

@darrylsloan I agree with you. I really do. I believe God is much more than what we can explain. I believe God is something absent of our selfish beliefs and emotions. I believe God is truly something out of this world in every aspect, and we probably couldn't understand God, even if we tried with all our might. I don't think it may even be possible to do so. Its like a Robot trying to understand human emotion.

[chrisdotwynn]

You'll probably think I'm a bit off my rocker, but maybe judgement day could be an alien species coming here to "raise our dead" and judge us according to our memories and the way we lived our lives. Maybe they will raise only good people, and let the evil people stay dead and eventually cook with the planet due to a lack of an Ozone layer. My point is, the bible has many metaphors(I think thats the word I'm looking for) written for the average man to understand in those times.

[jaysteinbourg]

Christdotwynn,

Have you seen Avatar?

[chrisdotwynn]

@jaysteinbourg

Yes I have. I really like that movie alot. It seems to me like the author of the story knows alot about the tribe called the Annunaki. Why do you ask?

[jaysteinbourg]

I just thought you might be a Science fiction fan.

[chrisdotwynn]

@jaysteinbourg

Lol, I guess I should take that as an insult, but I am in fact a fan of special effects. Doesn't really have to be science fiction, just special effects in general.

[jaysteinbourg]

I'm not insulting you mate, you began with 'You'll probably think that I am a bit off my rocker' so I thought you would be okay with my comment.

I am interested in Aliens, Ghosts and recently the Mayan people. So I am in no position to judge you on your comment, lol.

[chrisdotwynn]

@jaysteinbourg Oh, well ok then,haha. Yeah, the Mayans are very interesting.

[chrisdotwynn]

If you are Christian, then you must know that the bible states that we don't go to heaven or hell once we die, but we wait in the earth until judgement day. Realize that Judgement day "could" be far into the future, so in the meantime, you are at rest until this occurs.  You know, judgement day could be alot of things. Like I said, the bible was written for people that weren't as educated as us.

[chrisdotwynn]

Honestly bro...I believe we view God, Heaven, and Hell differently than the way we are supposed to. I don't want to say that I believe there is no hell. I guess I think Hell is a state of mind. But not really. Its really hard to explain. Our translation of the bible is a bit screwed up is the best way to put it. I think people take the bible literally, and thats not always the case. Keep in mind it was written for people that weren't educated like we are now. Continued