MashaAllah, I really loved listening to the debate. May Allah shower His blessings on Jalal Abualrub. He buried Craig and his nonsensical claims and laid them to rest!!! Craig Winn must change his name to Craig lose or Craig liar!!! What about "Craig Lying Loser"!!!
craig never did say that muslims are asked to kill women and children....but the quran did say...kill all the infidels...which means no gender..small or big.....everyone is legitimate to kill...
Pirate- Exactly, I agree, you have nothing worthy to say. You judge the God of the Bible, but it is He who will be your ultimate judge. His standards of righteousness cannot be questioned. Why do you believe his moral laws are flawed? Why try to dodge the issue by bringing up some other religion(Jews)?Would you rather be executed, or forcibly kidnapped and raped, like Muhammad would did to women? Which is worse? Also, what source are you using to determine what happened to the Banu Qurayza?
i was referring to you JCM I was showing that christianity and judaism have done acts of evil that acced everything muhammed did. Why did he spare the people when he reaturned to Mecca. Also, please reply to this verse. 8:61 And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower.
pirate- There you go again- trying to shift the blame of Muhammad's criminality by diverting attention to other religions. That is such a typical Muslim response. You guys never have any explanation for Islam's hatred, just try to dodge questions that must be answered. No wonder Muslim countries remain the most unproductive, least inspired, backward, corrupt governments, unjust court systems, perverse human rights abuses, and most intellectual and morally deficient in the world.
answer why craig winn only used fragments, and left out parts that disagreed with him. Explain why he only used a fragment of a single verse throughout the entire debate. Answer: Because his arguements were weak, and because Mike Gallahgher, who had been an allie, was starting to doubt his credibility.
pirate- do you not know how to read the answers I've already given you? Scroll up! Why have you not answer ANY of the questions I've posed to you? I feel like I'm talking to a child who doesn't want to listen. Answers- He used the full verse at the end of the debate. He ignored seemingly contradictory verses b/c they were irrelevant. This type of investigation into ancient source documents does not work well in a debate setting. To show Muhammad is was a terrorist, just read the Sira
pirate- PoD- "Craig would have had to ignore all of Jalal's false claims, avoid the debate topic, establish the validity of the sources he was using, establish the context in which they were revealed and acted out, and then read and document sufficient evidence from these sources to avoid the charge of "cherry picking the worst verses out of context." There wasn't time during the heat of the debate to show Jalal all the hundreds of verses that show Muhammad an inspirer of murder
oh horsecrap. why did he use the same verse repeatedly. He seemed to have no problem citing his one fragment repeatedly. If he had these other evidence he would have used them. no you are just making excuses. Craig Winn lost. Deal with it you racist donkey fucking son of a whore.
pirate- JALAL LIED AND LOST! When dummies lose an argument, they inevitably resort to insults- you said, "Craig Winn lost. Deal with it you racist donkey fucking son of a whore" What a true example of a Muslimbicile you are. Just like Muhammad, you attack not the content of my criticism, but persecute the messenger. Your rock-idol allah has a message for you 8:22- "The worst of creatures in the eyes of God are those who are deaf and dumb and devoid of sense". Use your brain
no, craig lied. jalal ppointed out that the verse described an event, and wasn't a message. and allah is the same god as the christians (that's what he preaches anyway.) The rock is the stone that fell from heaven to show where to build the first temple. when the temple was rebuilt, the stone was incorporated. Oh, and at least 7 translations of the quran had a different meaning for the passage craig used then the one said. Therefore, craig winn is a liar who has no clue what he's talking about.
JALAL LIED- Mike Gallagher asked Jalal, 'Does the Islamic Ahmed Ali translation of verse 8:7 read: "God wished to confirm the truth by His words, wipe the unbelievers out to the last"?' Jalal answered with an emphatic "Absolutely not!...[IT ACTUALLY DOES, JALAL LIED] And if what Craig read was accurate, beyond proving that Jalal was a liar, it revealed a premeditated plan to deceive his audience, giving adept listeners an insight into the devious nature of a good Muslim.
that doesn't change the fact that craig winn used only half of the whole verse. When quoted in full, it describes an event that occured during muhammed's lifetime. craig winn tried to make it seem that it was saying that all christians should be slaughtered, which it didn't (nevermind that at the time the verse was made Muhammed was fighting the pagans.) Jalal was saying that the verse meant something different, and was pointing out that craig lied about the meaning.
pirate- Because the koran lacks anything resembling normal context, you would have to understand the earliest history, biography, and hadiths of Islam. You have never read them. If you had, you would understand Muhammad to be the perverse criminal that he was. To this day Muslims are still using koran 8:7,12 to justify murdering, beheading, and dismembering non-muslims, just as they did when Mo was alive. The meaning is the same, only Muslims want to ignore it. Why don't you follow Mo's example?
you do know genitle mutilation predates the quran? In addition, stop dancing around the fact that craig winn misrepresented the verse repeatedly. Also, notice how he ignored the caller when the caller pointed out wholes in his theory. Answer the caller part; that will show you actually care rather then following winn like a mindless sheep.
Interestingly your eyes seem to have skated over the figure arrived Haaretz only about 23% of Palestinians killed were combatants, I wonder why this could be?
the full verse. He described what happened in a battle. In this case, all the enemy soldiers died. If you believe that Craig winn is honest, then you are an idiot.
Pirate- what is this bizzarre allusion to "Haaretz,23%"? Try to make some sense. When responding to you, it's like correcting a flawed junior high assignment. To start with, Muhammad never fought in any "wars". Not even one. He did participate in about 75 raid though, murdering innocent unarmed caravans merchants who were not soldiers, but civilians. He did this because they didn't submit to him. How is it possible that he claimed to be a prophet, but disobeyed EVERY ONE of the 10 commandments?
different standards, different time. Besides, the 10 commandments are flawed, and the things the jews did in the old testement are more horrible. Muhammed could have had every man women and child have the Banu Quariza killed yet didn't. By contrast, wherever the Israelites went they slaughtered every man women and child. There was also a case when a man tried to convert his daughters and Muhammed overruled him. I did read his site. I was 13 and I realized that he was fuull of shit immediately.
also. Craig winn didn't quote the quran in full. as the caller noticed, Craig Winn conveniantly ignored verses that showed him wrong, and he used fragments. He also misinterpreted the quran many times. For instance, back then he was fighting a war, and he only fought after negotiations failed.
Pirate- Craig didn't need to quote the koran in full, b/c the hatred oozes out of every page. He never ignored nor misinterpreted any verses- name one if he did. If by "negotions failed" you meant forcing ppl to become muslims and accept Muhammad as a prophet, you expose him as the criminal he actually was. Thanks. Muhammad was more than the monster you realize, b/c you have never read in full the oldest accounts of him. Read Craig's website to discover this, or remain in ignorance
bullshit. He tried to renew a treaty. It didn't work out, so he went to war. The verse craig winn kept bringing up was only a small fragment. When quoted in full, it describes how the rest of the enemy army was destroyed. In short, he won, they lost, his men lived they died. Craig winn was saying it was an attack an all christians. the caller pointed out that Craig removed the line "If they surrender you will accept it" as well as "don't attack populated buildings." Craig winn ignored it.
Pirate-You either have not really listened to this radio debate or are unaware of the texts being used. If you read the Sira of Ishaq, or the history of al-Tabari, you would quickly realize that Muhammad was a perverse and immoral criminal. This is not an invented opinion by Winn or me. It's all attested to by his friends followers, and Companions who were eyewitnesses to his words and deeds. Don't mock or dismiss the messengers. Those guys knew Muhammad, you still don't. Why defend him?
you make the mistake of judging him by our modern standards. craig winn used fragments, as the caller demonstrated. Craig winn convieniently ignored him. He also continually left out parts that refuted him
pirate- Muhammad lived by the lowest moral standards even by the standards of the people in Arabia. He is the obverse of anything resembling a role-model. He should be despised by any living person with a normal moral concept. Yet you choose to defend him. You'd probably defend Hitler too, as both he and Mo had a hate-on for Jews and Christians. Also, Winn was paraphrasing at first, then read the FULL verse. If you knew the full context of Muhammad's atrocities ignoring irrelevant verses is OK
again, He could have had every jew in banu quariyza slaughtered, but didn't. Also Jews were treated far better then in christian europe until secularism gained hold. Stop using red herrings. You are resorting to personal attacks.
different time different standards. Back then, any boy who could be trained to use and hold a weapon was viewed as a soldier. Don't be shocked. Throughout history militaries have done this. And his claim of less then 500 people knowing Quranic arabic is complete bullshit. You can take a university course about it for fucks sake. Muhammed wasn't perfect. He made mistakes, and in modern times he wouldn't be viewed favorably. But he's not the monster winn makes him out to be.
i will concede that muhammed wasn't perfect. However 1.) Jericho is still an example because it shows that the israeli's slaughtered innocent people in cold blood. Also, what of the Banu Quariyza? He could have had every man woman and child slaughtered, but he didn't. He spared the people who couldn't fight. Also, Craig Winn also left out most of the passage he quoted, which when quoted in full, describes how every last heretic soldier (who came from Mecca and were Pagan) died in the battle.
@moodini99- how dare you sent me a post with your senseless filthy language showing your baseless character which itself is an embarrassment to humanity.. Now Since you love craig so much you can both go and get married off on another planet coz psycho nutcases are NOT allowed on earth do ya get it.. Now buzz off and go mourn your craig's defeat in a corner you pathetic worm.
it is unjust to blame an ideology without even knowing about it. you hated Socialism without reading a single thing about it, now you are doing the same with Islam
Really? I've known muslims who are intelligent. Craig winn used no evidence, ignored when his arguements were exposed as complete horseshit, while Jalal seemed quite calm and erudite.
Ha, craig is much better than that Allah cunt, Craig is the one true God. Muslims are the lying scum, Craig will punish then for following the teachings of a 7th century, evil desert pedophile. Curse Islam, Craig is Yaweh!!
YOrR- You asked, "where does it say women and children?"
Answer- it says in the Quran to kill all the 'unbelievers', or 'disbelievers'.
Are there women and children who are just that? YES
The Quran says to kill them all. It does not say in that verse to avoid killing the women and children at all. In fact- it tells muslims to commit genocide. If you kill all 'unbelievers' "to the last", that means not even women and children would be immune.
It's odd that Muslim listeners say that Craig Winn lost that debate, and that he didn't answer some question. The contrary is true. He proved from the Quran and Sunnah that Islam teaches to murder 'unbelievers'. He even quoted directly from their sources. And all Jalal had to say was that Arabic words have "a host of meanings". Muslim apologists like him constantly deny the literal meaning of the Quran, and how it has always been interpreted, to make Islam seem peaceful.
i'm sorry, infidel means non muslim. And his claim of learning paleoarabic is obviously false. Also, what about when the caller pointed out that craig winn purposefully ommitted parts of the verse, parts which said to except prisoners surrenders. also, what about the spare women and children verses?
This is from the suruh. 8:61 And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower.
Pirate- it's odd that you are trying to correct the translation of professional linguists. Also, Winn makes no claim to having learned Arabic. If you read Winn's explanation of this exchange at prophetofdoom (dot) net, he says he wasn't initially attempting to quote exactly, just to paraphrase from memory. He did expose the hateful ideology of Islam by showing that the Koran does encourage murder of all non-muslims. Historically, Muhammad approved the beheading of 600-900 Jewish BOYS and men.
again, at badr he could have had them all slaughtered. but he didn't. the fighters were killed, everyone else was spared. Not exactly nice, but compared to the old testement (Jericho, anyone) kind of an improvement. And what about the part that said "don't destroy inhabited buildings?" When he fought a jewish tribe he worked to verify that they were actually mobilizing before moving against them. Craig Winn is not a scholar. He is a bigot dressed up as a scholar.
Pirate- Muhammad had 600-900 innocent and unarmed Jewish civilians(many were boys, ie.children), beheaded b/c they didn't accept him as a prophet.This is an act of genocide. I detest how you try to deflect attention to this by bringing up Jericho. Is Muhammad your role-model? Why would he destroy the buildings he and his thugs would be stealing? Also, Winn doesn't claim to be a scholar- he just quotes directly from Islamic scripture to point out the criminality and fraud of Muhammad.
lnvestigatelslam, judging by your words, you seem to me like your a Christianphobic! Fearing Christianity is something only satan himself does. Are you siding with satan?
they dont even allow videoresponses to there lies! the cowards
christians are living in a dark box with no windows! and when ever some light of Islam shines in there world they hide from it and make up lies against it.
They are liars decievers and cowards!
They flag videos and channels wich this kind of debates afraid of people knowing the truth!
w w w.call-to-monotheism. com/the_deception_of_craig_winn_revealed_
Pirate- you have obviously not read ProphetofDoom (dot)net. If you had, you would realize that Winn is not a bigot, but moved by the harm done by those who follow Muhammad's example. And don't try to con readers into thinking that you are not a Muslim, or a sympathizer. If you can point out his lies, please do so. After all, he's just quoting directly from Islamic Sunnah- the Sira and Hadiths. You should hate the lies that Muhammad and his followers propogated, not he messenger that exposed them
what? when did i call this show? and secondly when did i say i was a scholar in islam? you christians cant help yourself but to lie to the extent that you are accusing a person of saying something that they never did, and accusing them of doing something they never did. This is more proof that christianity is not for me, because it's followers have to lie to get people to join them... think about that.
Good call! I would recognize that voice anywhere. How ironic that in naliakbar's response he accuses you of lying about him being the caller (indirectly with his question).
im glad that i dont have to rely on you to identify me to any organization be it for good or bad, because you do not know who's voice you are recognizing. here is a playlist of videos of me in them please tell me which video sounds like the person on that call
you wish it was me... please look at the videos i created by recording myself and see for yourself... but you wont do that because you know you are wrong and you dont want to admit it.
i know you are claiming something that is not true, because that was not me on the phone, i dont have to think are you telling the truth i just have to say it because i know it is not the truth.
This is a perfect example of people dodging questions. Craig Winn would NOT answer his question no matter what. You now have a duty to ask your self. Why didn't he answer? The form of Arabic is different from before compared to today's version? Come on man are people still sticking to these claims? Oh Allah please Guide us all. Ameen
MashaAllah, I really loved listening to the debate. May Allah shower His blessings on Jalal Abualrub. He buried Craig and his nonsensical claims and laid them to rest!!! Craig Winn must change his name to Craig lose or Craig liar!!! What about "Craig Lying Loser"!!!
meerfuture93 11 months ago
craig never did say that muslims are asked to kill women and children....but the quran did say...kill all the infidels...which means no gender..small or big.....everyone is legitimate to kill...
butukau 1 year ago
@butukau no the quran did not say that. It referred to figheters and made it quite clear that women and children can't be killed.
pirateking193 1 year ago
@butukau
and where is that?
WomenForTruth101 1 year ago
@butukau
What? ! ? ! ? !
Where did Qur'an say THAT? O.o You are just making stuff up...Too bad for you...I have read the Qur'an ;lol
auzer1000 2 months ago
wow craig is weak
pirateking193 2 years ago
also, JC, what about the verse brought up by the caller mike. that craig winn completely ignored.
pirateking193 2 years ago
translation: I have no arguement so I'm resorting to empty evasions to try to stay in the game.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Pirate- Exactly, I agree, you have nothing worthy to say. You judge the God of the Bible, but it is He who will be your ultimate judge. His standards of righteousness cannot be questioned. Why do you believe his moral laws are flawed? Why try to dodge the issue by bringing up some other religion(Jews)?Would you rather be executed, or forcibly kidnapped and raped, like Muhammad would did to women? Which is worse? Also, what source are you using to determine what happened to the Banu Qurayza?
jcmjelve 2 years ago
i was referring to you JCM I was showing that christianity and judaism have done acts of evil that acced everything muhammed did. Why did he spare the people when he reaturned to Mecca. Also, please reply to this verse. 8:61 And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower.
pirateking193 2 years ago
pirate- There you go again- trying to shift the blame of Muhammad's criminality by diverting attention to other religions. That is such a typical Muslim response. You guys never have any explanation for Islam's hatred, just try to dodge questions that must be answered. No wonder Muslim countries remain the most unproductive, least inspired, backward, corrupt governments, unjust court systems, perverse human rights abuses, and most intellectual and morally deficient in the world.
jcmjelve 2 years ago
answer why craig winn only used fragments, and left out parts that disagreed with him. Explain why he only used a fragment of a single verse throughout the entire debate. Answer: Because his arguements were weak, and because Mike Gallahgher, who had been an allie, was starting to doubt his credibility.
pirateking193 2 years ago
pirate- do you not know how to read the answers I've already given you? Scroll up! Why have you not answer ANY of the questions I've posed to you? I feel like I'm talking to a child who doesn't want to listen. Answers- He used the full verse at the end of the debate. He ignored seemingly contradictory verses b/c they were irrelevant. This type of investigation into ancient source documents does not work well in a debate setting. To show Muhammad is was a terrorist, just read the Sira
jcmjelve 2 years ago
no, actually he didn't. I checked. He used a fragment. Numbnuts.
pirateking193 2 years ago
pirate- PoD- "Craig would have had to ignore all of Jalal's false claims, avoid the debate topic, establish the validity of the sources he was using, establish the context in which they were revealed and acted out, and then read and document sufficient evidence from these sources to avoid the charge of "cherry picking the worst verses out of context." There wasn't time during the heat of the debate to show Jalal all the hundreds of verses that show Muhammad an inspirer of murder
jcmjelve 2 years ago
oh horsecrap. why did he use the same verse repeatedly. He seemed to have no problem citing his one fragment repeatedly. If he had these other evidence he would have used them. no you are just making excuses. Craig Winn lost. Deal with it you racist donkey fucking son of a whore.
pirateking193 2 years ago
pirate- JALAL LIED AND LOST! When dummies lose an argument, they inevitably resort to insults- you said, "Craig Winn lost. Deal with it you racist donkey fucking son of a whore" What a true example of a Muslimbicile you are. Just like Muhammad, you attack not the content of my criticism, but persecute the messenger. Your rock-idol allah has a message for you 8:22- "The worst of creatures in the eyes of God are those who are deaf and dumb and devoid of sense". Use your brain
jcmjelve 2 years ago
no, craig lied. jalal ppointed out that the verse described an event, and wasn't a message. and allah is the same god as the christians (that's what he preaches anyway.) The rock is the stone that fell from heaven to show where to build the first temple. when the temple was rebuilt, the stone was incorporated. Oh, and at least 7 translations of the quran had a different meaning for the passage craig used then the one said. Therefore, craig winn is a liar who has no clue what he's talking about.
pirateking193 2 years ago
the surah.
pirateking193 2 years ago
JALAL LIED- Mike Gallagher asked Jalal, 'Does the Islamic Ahmed Ali translation of verse 8:7 read: "God wished to confirm the truth by His words, wipe the unbelievers out to the last"?' Jalal answered with an emphatic "Absolutely not!...[IT ACTUALLY DOES, JALAL LIED] And if what Craig read was accurate, beyond proving that Jalal was a liar, it revealed a premeditated plan to deceive his audience, giving adept listeners an insight into the devious nature of a good Muslim.
jcmjelve 2 years ago
that doesn't change the fact that craig winn used only half of the whole verse. When quoted in full, it describes an event that occured during muhammed's lifetime. craig winn tried to make it seem that it was saying that all christians should be slaughtered, which it didn't (nevermind that at the time the verse was made Muhammed was fighting the pagans.) Jalal was saying that the verse meant something different, and was pointing out that craig lied about the meaning.
pirateking193 2 years ago
also, the quran doesn't say kill all women and children. that is what jalal was trying to say. please don't play semantics jc.
pirateking193 2 years ago
pirate- Because the koran lacks anything resembling normal context, you would have to understand the earliest history, biography, and hadiths of Islam. You have never read them. If you had, you would understand Muhammad to be the perverse criminal that he was. To this day Muslims are still using koran 8:7,12 to justify murdering, beheading, and dismembering non-muslims, just as they did when Mo was alive. The meaning is the same, only Muslims want to ignore it. Why don't you follow Mo's example?
jcmjelve 2 years ago
you do know genitle mutilation predates the quran? In addition, stop dancing around the fact that craig winn misrepresented the verse repeatedly. Also, notice how he ignored the caller when the caller pointed out wholes in his theory. Answer the caller part; that will show you actually care rather then following winn like a mindless sheep.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Interestingly your eyes seem to have skated over the figure arrived Haaretz only about 23% of Palestinians killed were combatants, I wonder why this could be?
the full verse. He described what happened in a battle. In this case, all the enemy soldiers died. If you believe that Craig winn is honest, then you are an idiot.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Pirate- what is this bizzarre allusion to "Haaretz,23%"? Try to make some sense. When responding to you, it's like correcting a flawed junior high assignment. To start with, Muhammad never fought in any "wars". Not even one. He did participate in about 75 raid though, murdering innocent unarmed caravans merchants who were not soldiers, but civilians. He did this because they didn't submit to him. How is it possible that he claimed to be a prophet, but disobeyed EVERY ONE of the 10 commandments?
jcmjelve 2 years ago
different standards, different time. Besides, the 10 commandments are flawed, and the things the jews did in the old testement are more horrible. Muhammed could have had every man women and child have the Banu Quariza killed yet didn't. By contrast, wherever the Israelites went they slaughtered every man women and child. There was also a case when a man tried to convert his daughters and Muhammed overruled him. I did read his site. I was 13 and I realized that he was fuull of shit immediately.
pirateking193 2 years ago
also. Craig winn didn't quote the quran in full. as the caller noticed, Craig Winn conveniantly ignored verses that showed him wrong, and he used fragments. He also misinterpreted the quran many times. For instance, back then he was fighting a war, and he only fought after negotiations failed.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Pirate- Craig didn't need to quote the koran in full, b/c the hatred oozes out of every page. He never ignored nor misinterpreted any verses- name one if he did. If by "negotions failed" you meant forcing ppl to become muslims and accept Muhammad as a prophet, you expose him as the criminal he actually was. Thanks. Muhammad was more than the monster you realize, b/c you have never read in full the oldest accounts of him. Read Craig's website to discover this, or remain in ignorance
jcmjelve 2 years ago
bullshit. He tried to renew a treaty. It didn't work out, so he went to war. The verse craig winn kept bringing up was only a small fragment. When quoted in full, it describes how the rest of the enemy army was destroyed. In short, he won, they lost, his men lived they died. Craig winn was saying it was an attack an all christians. the caller pointed out that Craig removed the line "If they surrender you will accept it" as well as "don't attack populated buildings." Craig winn ignored it.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Pirate-You either have not really listened to this radio debate or are unaware of the texts being used. If you read the Sira of Ishaq, or the history of al-Tabari, you would quickly realize that Muhammad was a perverse and immoral criminal. This is not an invented opinion by Winn or me. It's all attested to by his friends followers, and Companions who were eyewitnesses to his words and deeds. Don't mock or dismiss the messengers. Those guys knew Muhammad, you still don't. Why defend him?
jcmjelve 2 years ago
you make the mistake of judging him by our modern standards. craig winn used fragments, as the caller demonstrated. Craig winn convieniently ignored him. He also continually left out parts that refuted him
pirateking193 2 years ago
pirate- Muhammad lived by the lowest moral standards even by the standards of the people in Arabia. He is the obverse of anything resembling a role-model. He should be despised by any living person with a normal moral concept. Yet you choose to defend him. You'd probably defend Hitler too, as both he and Mo had a hate-on for Jews and Christians. Also, Winn was paraphrasing at first, then read the FULL verse. If you knew the full context of Muhammad's atrocities ignoring irrelevant verses is OK
jcmjelve 2 years ago
again, He could have had every jew in banu quariyza slaughtered, but didn't. Also Jews were treated far better then in christian europe until secularism gained hold. Stop using red herrings. You are resorting to personal attacks.
pirateking193 2 years ago
different time different standards. Back then, any boy who could be trained to use and hold a weapon was viewed as a soldier. Don't be shocked. Throughout history militaries have done this. And his claim of less then 500 people knowing Quranic arabic is complete bullshit. You can take a university course about it for fucks sake. Muhammed wasn't perfect. He made mistakes, and in modern times he wouldn't be viewed favorably. But he's not the monster winn makes him out to be.
pirateking193 2 years ago
i will concede that muhammed wasn't perfect. However 1.) Jericho is still an example because it shows that the israeli's slaughtered innocent people in cold blood. Also, what of the Banu Quariyza? He could have had every man woman and child slaughtered, but he didn't. He spared the people who couldn't fight. Also, Craig Winn also left out most of the passage he quoted, which when quoted in full, describes how every last heretic soldier (who came from Mecca and were Pagan) died in the battle.
pirateking193 2 years ago
HAHA CRAIG IS RUNNING IN CIRCLES!!! Idiot
wajahatkhan 2 years ago
Don't worry about him brother bangiw00,
It just proves their mentality and in which background they have grown up into,
So thanks for the abused because it proves how frustrated these guys are,
and yes!
The Crusade is still ON!!
TheDaiz999 3 years ago
@moodini99- how dare you sent me a post with your senseless filthy language showing your baseless character which itself is an embarrassment to humanity.. Now Since you love craig so much you can both go and get married off on another planet coz psycho nutcases are NOT allowed on earth do ya get it.. Now buzz off and go mourn your craig's defeat in a corner you pathetic worm.
bangiw00 3 years ago 2
salaam
Graig got owned and Allah bless the guy who rang in about surat 9.
peace.
zafthedon 3 years ago
This was the greatest victory of Islam
TheDaiz999 3 years ago
craig winn got owned by Jalal.
layziethabone 3 years ago 2
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nymphrenic 3 years ago 2
it is unjust to blame an ideology without even knowing about it. you hated Socialism without reading a single thing about it, now you are doing the same with Islam
Peace
rhummayuna 2 years ago
Really? I've known muslims who are intelligent. Craig winn used no evidence, ignored when his arguements were exposed as complete horseshit, while Jalal seemed quite calm and erudite.
pirateking193 2 years ago
@nymphrenic I disagree. He showed that craig winn used the verses incorrectly and had no knowledge
pirateking193 1 year ago
Jalal abualrub totally won this one!
lol craig seriously didn't know what hit him..which is what happens to liars such as himself!
bangiw00 3 years ago
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Ha, craig is much better than that Allah cunt, Craig is the one true God. Muslims are the lying scum, Craig will punish then for following the teachings of a 7th century, evil desert pedophile. Curse Islam, Craig is Yaweh!!
moodini99 3 years ago 2
oh craig,u r a muppet!
escobar18769 3 years ago
YOrR- You asked, "where does it say women and children?"
Answer- it says in the Quran to kill all the 'unbelievers', or 'disbelievers'.
Are there women and children who are just that? YES
The Quran says to kill them all. It does not say in that verse to avoid killing the women and children at all. In fact- it tells muslims to commit genocide. If you kill all 'unbelievers' "to the last", that means not even women and children would be immune.
jcmjelve 3 years ago
lol why did he quote any verse at all.
promonument 3 years ago
It's odd that Muslim listeners say that Craig Winn lost that debate, and that he didn't answer some question. The contrary is true. He proved from the Quran and Sunnah that Islam teaches to murder 'unbelievers'. He even quoted directly from their sources. And all Jalal had to say was that Arabic words have "a host of meanings". Muslim apologists like him constantly deny the literal meaning of the Quran, and how it has always been interpreted, to make Islam seem peaceful.
jcmjelve 3 years ago
i'm sorry, infidel means non muslim. And his claim of learning paleoarabic is obviously false. Also, what about when the caller pointed out that craig winn purposefully ommitted parts of the verse, parts which said to except prisoners surrenders. also, what about the spare women and children verses?
This is from the suruh. 8:61 And if they incline to peace, incline thou also to it, and trust in Allah. Lo! He, even He, is the Hearer, the Knower.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Pirate- it's odd that you are trying to correct the translation of professional linguists. Also, Winn makes no claim to having learned Arabic. If you read Winn's explanation of this exchange at prophetofdoom (dot) net, he says he wasn't initially attempting to quote exactly, just to paraphrase from memory. He did expose the hateful ideology of Islam by showing that the Koran does encourage murder of all non-muslims. Historically, Muhammad approved the beheading of 600-900 Jewish BOYS and men.
jcmjelve 2 years ago
again, at badr he could have had them all slaughtered. but he didn't. the fighters were killed, everyone else was spared. Not exactly nice, but compared to the old testement (Jericho, anyone) kind of an improvement. And what about the part that said "don't destroy inhabited buildings?" When he fought a jewish tribe he worked to verify that they were actually mobilizing before moving against them. Craig Winn is not a scholar. He is a bigot dressed up as a scholar.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Pirate- Muhammad had 600-900 innocent and unarmed Jewish civilians(many were boys, ie.children), beheaded b/c they didn't accept him as a prophet.This is an act of genocide. I detest how you try to deflect attention to this by bringing up Jericho. Is Muhammad your role-model? Why would he destroy the buildings he and his thugs would be stealing? Also, Winn doesn't claim to be a scholar- he just quotes directly from Islamic scripture to point out the criminality and fraud of Muhammad.
jcmjelve 2 years ago
back then, if you could hold a weapon, you were a soldier, and as such were a viable target. Jews and Christians also held this view.
pirateking193 2 years ago
lnvestigatelslam, judging by your words, you seem to me like your a Christianphobic! Fearing Christianity is something only satan himself does. Are you siding with satan?
SwordofManticorE 3 years ago
LOL craig winn got OWNED!! he sounds SOOO racist...
finestShorty 3 years ago
watch?v=gk0hzWP26jA
praetorians25 3 years ago 3
lool did nadir ahmad call,
lool thats so funny,
jala abluarab owned in this debate
bfoaliali 3 years ago 3
thanks for clearing this up, it would be nice if they finally apologize.
naliakbar 3 years ago 4
Read this link and see how he decieves people that son of the devil father of al lies!!
ww w.call-to-monotheism. com/the_deception_of_craig_winn_revealed_
remove spaces!!!
lnvestigatelslam 3 years ago
Crack winn got pwnd again this guy is a loser lair and deciever but heeey he is a christian what you expect from this lying decieving pagans :)
watch him getting refuted by Bassam Zadawi and read how he try to decieve people by adding words to Quran and Hadith !
the filty son of the devil father of al lies!
ww w .call-to-monotheism. com/the_deception_of_craig_winn_revealed_
lnvestigatelslam 3 years ago
Winn exposed badly! looool
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
the last caller was brother Nadir Ahmed not Naliakbar
ArabianLover81 3 years ago
thank you for clearing that up, now if my christian friends on here would be nice enough to apologize for lying against me.
naliakbar 3 years ago 2
Quite a coincidence that 5 billion people like me don't accept it, isn't it?
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
So funny that Muslims always think that they won a debate when they actually lost it. Just try to find a non-Muslim that will agree with you.
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago 2
Well, you can see if Christians and haters of Islam are posting these debates in their accounts. I've never seen one.
1MoreMuslim 3 years ago
Ofcourse they never post it!
they dont even allow videoresponses to there lies! the cowards
christians are living in a dark box with no windows! and when ever some light of Islam shines in there world they hide from it and make up lies against it.
They are liars decievers and cowards!
They flag videos and channels wich this kind of debates afraid of people knowing the truth!
w w w.call-to-monotheism. com/the_deception_of_craig_winn_revealed_
lnvestigatelslam 3 years ago
Nopes we dont just think that its a FACT!
:) i know it hurts you deep inside but the they say the truth hurts:D
Btw graig got PWND again! same way shabir ally ahmed deedat jamal badawi zakir naik ect ect POWN christian pagans
lnvestigatelslam 3 years ago
i'm agnostic and i agree. Oh and islam is growing quite fast. Craig winn is a liar and a hack.
pirateking193 2 years ago
Pirate- you have obviously not read ProphetofDoom (dot)net. If you had, you would realize that Winn is not a bigot, but moved by the harm done by those who follow Muhammad's example. And don't try to con readers into thinking that you are not a Muslim, or a sympathizer. If you can point out his lies, please do so. After all, he's just quoting directly from Islamic Sunnah- the Sira and Hadiths. You should hate the lies that Muhammad and his followers propogated, not he messenger that exposed them
jcmjelve 2 years ago
where did you get that, classical/ modern arabic is different to colloqual arabic
imadhurata 3 years ago
Craig Winn lost clearly, he avoided the questions..something all christians do.
ExposingBatil 3 years ago
Craig Winn lost clearly, he avoided the questions..something all christians do.
ExposingBatil 3 years ago
the last caller was actully nali akbar,a so called muslim scolar,his name is not mike. why are these muslims playing hide and seek?
gods777gift 3 years ago
what? when did i call this show? and secondly when did i say i was a scholar in islam? you christians cant help yourself but to lie to the extent that you are accusing a person of saying something that they never did, and accusing them of doing something they never did. This is more proof that christianity is not for me, because it's followers have to lie to get people to join them... think about that.
naliakbar 3 years ago
Good call! I would recognize that voice anywhere. How ironic that in naliakbar's response he accuses you of lying about him being the caller (indirectly with his question).
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
we all look alike, now we all sound alike.
imadhurata 3 years ago
No one else sounds like naliakbar.
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
first, u sound like a racist cop, now u sound like ur in love with the guy.
imadhurata 3 years ago
I think that you need to work on your English. Apparently you don't know what any of the words racist, cop, love, or alike mean.
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
sorry, mate, not all of us can be a prefect as naliakbar.
imadhurata 3 years ago
At least definitely not you, as you can't even spell the words as and perfect.
You should know that we can't be mates. Are you going to make me start quoting the Qur'an for you?
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
guess thats hard on u then, loving a guy u know will never accept u.
imadhurata 3 years ago
im glad that i dont have to rely on you to identify me to any organization be it for good or bad, because you do not know who's voice you are recognizing. here is a playlist of videos of me in them please tell me which video sounds like the person on that call
youtube. com/view_play_list?p=3D628D596A8BC6A0
naliakbar 3 years ago
he hears you everywhere, mate. look at the way he is insulting me, signs of love, mate.
if i was you, i wouldn't encourage with that playlist.
imadhurata 3 years ago
Oh, please, nali, it's not only your voice, but it's your own mannerisms as well.
You really shouldn't have committed yourself to denying this. It's much better than any of your other miserable performances.
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
you wish it was me... please look at the videos i created by recording myself and see for yourself... but you wont do that because you know you are wrong and you dont want to admit it.
naliakbar 3 years ago
I've heard you many times. You think that I'm claiming that it's you, without having heard you before!?
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
i know you are claiming something that is not true, because that was not me on the phone, i dont have to think are you telling the truth i just have to say it because i know it is not the truth.
naliakbar 3 years ago
I've watched your videos, and heard you on Paltalk many times. You fail.
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
aaah poor christian is mad that other muslim kicked a christians ass AGAIN AND AGIAN AGIAN AGIAN AGIAN!
wen are you christians gonna give up?
You cant win from the truth :( and using lies against the truth wont even help also :)
I think christians need a new god to help them out against the Muslim scholars :D hahahahaha
lnvestigatelslam 3 years ago
hahahahahaha fucktard
you post a comment with the aacount godsgift77 and then you back it up with this other acount hahaha
POOR DECEPTION! but next time change your pc or your IP stupid!
lnvestigatelslam 3 years ago
hahahahaha hide and seek hahahahahahaa
poor stupid christian! and btw why dont you post comments with your account gorngonzola or what ever why a sock aacount? lol
backing up your self
stupid fucking christian!
lnvestigatelslam 3 years ago
*yawn*
Don't mind this CP impostor. He's mildly retarded.
gorgonzolaaa 3 years ago
where is the asnwer of the question that Jalal was asking again agian and agian?????????????
osamarazapk 3 years ago
Craig winn keep avoiding the questions :D
xiaahmad 3 years ago
This is a perfect example of people dodging questions. Craig Winn would NOT answer his question no matter what. You now have a duty to ask your self. Why didn't he answer? The form of Arabic is different from before compared to today's version? Come on man are people still sticking to these claims? Oh Allah please Guide us all. Ameen
Islamat 3 years ago