Michael Coren Of SunTV Interviews Robert Spencer of Jihad Watch On Norway -Blame America

[davepinoy]

Michael Coren is the man. Haters dont want the good and the truth. Islam is founded on the very foundation of what is good and true. if murder, theft, sexual perversity, beheadings, insatiable lust, obssession for power and wealth, and phlagiarim is good, then one must be talking about islam and muhammed. In the christian scripture, SATAN IS THE DECEIVER. And through phlagiarism, muhammed copied the old and new testament, only to satisfy his own evil agenda, and the pretension caused evil.

[OppressedAnarchist]

@davepinoy Fuck off you insane religious nutbar... People are turning away from religion because of delusional retards like yourself...

Wake Up ... you are insane...

[davepinoy]

@OppressedAnarchist

Nice language and very educated argument. Is that what you learned in life? You're ignorance and language exposes the kind of person you are. its enough to be stupid and unscrupulous, but to advertize it on the web, is the pinnacle of egregiousness and having an obtuse mind.

[OppressedAnarchist]

@davepinoy Shut Up Pinhead..... "Look at me mommy I can use big words".... LOL !!!

You displayed your infinite ignorance the instant you started talking about your ridiculous belief in Christianity and your love for Michael Coren.... You will never understand how retarded you really are ...

You are everything that is wrong in this world you ignorant cunt !

[OppressedAnarchist]

Micheal Coren is an ASSHOLE !!!

[Serpico261]

@OppressedAnarchist is an ASSHOLE !!!

[OppressedAnarchist]

@Serpico261 Keep sucking Coren's sold out dick slave...

[Serpico261]

@OppressedAnarchist oh how original haha

[OppressedAnarchist]

@Serpico261 I thought you would be a fan of predictable unoriginal material considering how you are in love with Michael Coren who happens to be one of the most predictable "journalists" out there right now.

Coren's vulgar bile he calls an opinion is so ridiculously predictable that anyone knows what he is going to say well before he says it. Most of his opinions are exactly the same as the people he copies Glen Beck and Bill O' Reilly ...

Coren is a cunt and so are you Slave...

[Serpico261]

@OppressedAnarchist nonsense. First you are just lazy and predictable

"...considering how you are in love with Michael Coren" what? I predicted you would assume that because you are too lazy to even ask a question about what i think about coren. Next time ok?

Second, your critic of coren is basically this: He has opinions that i dont share...wow!

"Keep sucking Coren's sold out dick slave... " how old are you kid?

[OppressedAnarchist]

@Serpico261 Michael Coren doesn't have his own opinions... he is a good boy and says what he is told to say.

Coren does what he is told... and you defend him because you only do what you are told... at least Coren gets paid to follow orders... you do it of your own free will... Brain Washed Slave !!!

[Jesuitism]

I have never seen a bigger shyster journalist than Michael Coren in my whole life. He's like an unholy transmogrification of Rachel Maddow, Bill O'Reily and Melanie Phillips (whom Richard Dawkins rightfully pointed out: is the most unpleasant journalist in the whole British Isles).

Just sickening. It's people like this who have irrevocably fucked journalism as a profession.

[TheUnknownVisiterX]

People look always for the guilty! The work of Robert Spencer is ,,clearing up". Not more and not less. This is the only way to do something against the threats in Islam against all non-muslims or against those who do not behave like a muslim.

,,Clearing up" is the only way to do something without weappons of steal.

[takewhole]

LOL Jew Motherucker is a poster boy or christian extremists

[Scrinoverlord]

@BoozesBruisers Funny, I didn't know Islam was a state. I better inform all 1.8 billion Muslims that they need to adapt to the attitude of a fascist state or they're not true Muslims!

[83RW]

BREVIK IS JEWISH ZIONIST... this film is Tru

........./watch?v=ko8_aJ3yImg

[Jesuitism]

@83RW

Exactly.

It's funny how the Zionist propaganda artists like Coren are so desperate to hide the fact that Breivik was an ultra-Zionist, and that Zionism was the major cause of the massacre in Norway.

[SeekingLight1]

And Professor Jenkins concludes by saying:

"Some frightful portions of the Bible, by contrast, go much further in ordering the total extermination of enemies, of whole families and races - of men, women, and children, and even their livestock."

Go check Professor Jenkins' credentials yourself, at the Penn State website. He is a professor of Christian and religious history.

[blazingcatfur]

@SeekingLight1 Get back to us when Christians start murdering innocents on a daily basis.

[backgroundMASCAL]

....just 2 fucking kikes

[SeekingLight1]

Professor Jenkins, continues by stating:

"The Bible contains far more verses praising or urging bloodshed than does the Koran, and biblical violence is often far more extreme, and marked by more indiscriminate savagery. The Koran often urges believers to fight, yet it also commands that enemies be shown mercy when they surrender...."

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1 instead of regurgitating some other agenda-driven imbecile's opinion here why don't you open your Quran and Bible and really compare. Only a small portion of the OT and virtually non of NT is violent passages. The vast majority of OT's violence is just an account of the history of Israel which is just any recorded history book. It is some wars granted conducted violently and with God sanction between Israelites and a few groups of people which happened and ended millennia ago!

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1 ...And that is a very small portion of the book. The rest of it is devoted to other topics which are not violent at all. But in contrast look at Quran which is a very short book in comparison. The vast majority of its passages (that is where he is not plagiarizing Bible stories) are either devoted to Allah cursing the infidels and Jews and Christians, or it is a call to arm against them or it is allah scaring people with gruesome pictures of hell.

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1Quran is mostly talk about hatred of infidel and torments of hell hell and warfare with the non-muslim and how to distribute booty etc... but more important than the apparent majority of such topics in Quran is the conspicuous absence of much verses to do with love and compassion. Yes here and there talks about mercy (after a good bit of threatening) and some places tells you to give Zakat (alms). No one can objectively read Quran and say love and charity is its main topic.

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1Unlike the Bible especially NT Quran's main topic is threatening the unbeliever and warning him that if he doesn't become a Muslim a very dangerous life and a very frightening and gruesome hereafter is awaiting him. In Islamic scriptures like Hadith and Sira the proportions are even worse! There is even less peace and love in those books than in Quran!

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1 Unlike you I read these books myself and don't need some agenda-driven professor to tell me what to think. I read the sources myself and think with my own brain!

[SeekingLight1]

How ironic that two Catholics are discussing the violence of Islam.

Philip Jenkins, Penn State humanities professor writes:

"...in terms of ordering violence and bloodshed, any simplistic claim about the superiority of the Bible to the Koran would be wildly wrong. In fact, the Bible overflows with "texts of terror," to borrow a phrase coined by the American theologian Phyllis Trible....

[OzDeist]

The difference being that Christianity and Judaism are not pushing for a theocratic state. Every other world religion is compatible with separation of religion and state- Islam is not. Don't believe me? Take a tour of Pakistan, Afghanistan, Iran and Saudi Arabia, and dare tell me that Islam is doing those nations any favors.

[MrBritler]

lol this is muslims fault thats like saying the holocaust is the jewish peoples fault

[bltsrmsqt]

He looks as Middle-Eastern as anyone in the streets of Syria or Lebanon. One wonders what his real name might be.

[baldassare01]

@bltsrmsqt he looks more levant than arab. 

[ZoldierrZzz]

Winston Churchill also warned about Islam, look it up.

[hobotzcarandco]

What rubbish! Every time there is a terror attack every media outlet runs out to interview local Imam and Muslims so they can condemn it! I guess I better shut down my channel asap because "Jihadwatch" posts some of my videos on their website,I will be "waiting" for police to arrest me any time now! NOT!

[ritamalik]

Christianity is the exact opposite of that. Jesus who Christians consider God himself having all the power in the world did not even resist his prosecutors and humbly and meekly took on himself his unjust punishment. He even forbade his followers from using their sword to protect him in the famous words: "He who lives by the sword shall die by the sword!" so Christianity at its very core is the antithesis of the mentality of "Might makes Right"! Being a bully is very far from Christian ideals!

[ritamalik]

....Muslims think because their prophet kicked the ass of all those Meccan infidels then he is undoubtedly the man of God since Allah granted him victory! There can be no doubt about that! Because of this their mentality is based on "Might makes Right"!

[ritamalik]

Here lies the biggest difference between Islam and Christianity. Islam's founder Muhammad not only condoned killing of the unbelievers but he participated in it and commended it and Muslim historians never denied that. They actually went out of their way to very graphically document his brutalities and are very proud of it......

[ritamalik]

5. Not all people who claim the name of a religion are really convinced believers. That goes both for Muslims and Christians. People are the products of their time and culture! But what we should judge a religion by is the actions and teaching of its founder and not what some of its adherents might or might not have done in different points in history.

[trevormac77]

Islam is a form of Psychosis. Not surprising since it's founder was psychotic.

[ritamalik]

3. Did Christians or those who have acted in the name of Christ ever commit heinous acts of aggression. Of course yes! But did they ever have theological justification for it, or did they ever quote Jesus or passages of the bible to justify their Acts? No! Because there weren't any!

4. So how did this happen? Simply because in the Middle Ages most Christians were illiterate and books even Bible were very hard to find and even when they were there they were in Latin. So no one knew what they say!

[ritamalik]

1. Early Christians were pacifist because Jesus DID teach non-violence. Wether he taught total pacifism or just non-aggression is a matter of debate among theologians even today but THAT he taught that murder is wrong is not even a matter of dispute! Only a person who has never cracked open the pages of NT might be uninformed enough to deny that!

2. Old Testament too in some of its most important passages teaches that murder is wrong! Ever heard of the Ten commandments?!!

(more to come...)

[SeekingLight1]

The early Christians were pacifist because they had no choice, the Romans would have slaughtered them. But when Christianity acquired power then it became an imperial force, sought to conquer the surrounding areas, and more or less banished all competing religious movements. This, all in the name of Christ.

Like I said, it is hypocritcal of Spencer and Coren to be schooling us on the aggresive nature of Islam.

[mysock351W]

@SeekingLight1 And Islam did that in SPADES. Almost all of chrisendom in the middle east was conquered by the barbarians in the name of Islam, and they almost got Europe in 1683. Now theyre trying again. Lets not forget the fact that the crusades where also a response to islamic warfare. Theres nothing hypicritical about what theyre doing, and Spencer knows more about Islam than you ever could. The only thing here thats hypocritical is your phoney relativism. There is no parallel to Islam.

[loolootwo]

@mysock351W I would just like to say to you mysock AND ritamalik I honestly admire your knowledge of Islam and history. I have been studying both Islam and Christian history for a little over a year now and it is entirely relevant to our times, the more people know the truth the more lives will be saved. The truth really does set you free.

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1 Oh, dear SeekingLight, your comment is so full of popsy and shallow cliches about history, religions, Christianity in particular that I don't even know where to start! I think instead of writing here you should be sitting in your local library browsing through a few textbooks on the above mentioned subjects. You don't even need to read Spencer or anyone controversial like that to realize that the "knowledge" you think you have is mostly false!

[SeekingLight1]

The Old Testament is even more violent than the NT. God not only sanctioned but commanded in effect the genocide of the Canaanites, in an episode that finds no parallel in Islam. And yet both Christians and Jews accept that this extermination of the entire Canaanite population was the will of God.

How can Coren and Spencer, so-called Catholics, sit and pontificate of the violence of Islam?

[SeekingLight1]

If you think this pasage from Matthrew has to be read and understood "in context" than the same principle should be applied to Islam. 

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1 Yes! The passage in Matthew should be read "in context" and so should Quran.But "in context" doesn't mean "always something better than it sounds" . When you put a bad-sounding verse in context it doesn't mean that the context will always justify it and make it sound better! The question you should ask is "What is the context?" The context in our case are the rest of the Bible and Quran, and the life of Jesus and Muhammed and earliest traditions of Christianity and Islam.

[ritamalik]

If you consider this context the verse in Luke clearly cannot be seen as advocating violence since the very life of Jesus and his earliest followers was very non-violent and all the other passages in the NT make it very clear that Jesus was against violence, personal retaliation, and aggression and cruelty.

[ritamalik]

So the sword here means not the sword that Christians will use against others but the sword that will be used against Christians by non-christians. It broadly has been always understood as "Christian life shall not be an easy and safe life! The church will be prosecuted".

[ritamalik]

In contrast what passages like" kill the unbelievers" and "smite above their neck": etc... should mean in context? Well... Quran never even put half as much effort in teaching restrain and mercy to Muslms as it puts in telling the Muslims to be ruthless to the unbelievers. It sometimes talks about mercy and justice but it usually means towards other Muslims. So here we find no reason to think that when Quran says "smite their neck" it means something else actually!

[ritamalik]

Muhammad and his followers literally killed hundreds of their fellow Arab pagans for the strict purpose of spreading Islam. Nowhere Muhammad has condemned the use of sword for killing critics of Islam and unbelievers. He actually encouraged it. The earliest Muslims spread Islam like wildfire exactly by brutally attacking their neighboring tribes and countries. Examples go on and on. So there! There is the context for you! Are you satisfied now?

[SeekingLight1]

If you think Christianity doesn't have a doctrine of warfare, than obviously you have not read Aquinas or Augustine.

Besides Jesus himself said, in Matthew: "Do not think that I came to bring peace on the earth; I did not come to bring peace, but a sword. For I came to set a man against his father, and a daughter against her mother, and a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law; and a man’s enemies will be the members of his household."

Does this sound like a doctrine of peace?

[Jesrael1986M]

@SeekingLight1 If you read the parallel passage in Luke, it says "I have not come to bring peace but division". The sword refers to the sword of persecution that is unleashed whenever there is a move of God. The church in the first two centuries was completely pacifist, they did not even resist when they were tortured and killed. They obeyed the Sermon on the Mount literally.

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1 It is obvious that you did not read Augustine and Aquinas either! Because the "Just war" doctrine that you are referring to is nothing like the Islamic ideas about Jihad. What thinkers like Augustine were doing was to understand if the Bible completely bans all sorts of acts of physical violence, even self defense or defending a city under siege or if there is ever justified to use physical violence when the alternative is even more evil than the violence committed to prevent it.

[ritamalik]

The criteria they set in Christian "Just War" Doctrine are very very strict indeed. Have Christians always abided by them? Gosh! No! But you would wish they had because they set strict and moral limits on when it is justified to go to war and how a Christian warrior aught to conduct himself. And had Christians stuck to these rules all atrocities in the history of Christendom would have been prevented!

[ritamalik]

So unlike what you are trying to prove by mentioning that Christianity also has a "Doctrine of Warfare", not only the "Just War" doctrine doesn't prove that Christianity also another aggressive religion like Islam but its very existence is a credit to Christianity and shows how responsible, careful and reluctant Christians should be in using any kind of physical force and obviously they should never use it to spread their religion or to subjugate others like Islam does unabashedly.

[SeekingLight1]

There is nothing Spencer says about Islam and its so-called support of violence, with the sanctimonious "my-religion-is-better-than-th­eir-religion" approval of Coren, that you can't find in the Old Testament and Jewish law, as well as medieval European notions of Christianity. It is simply a case of the pot calling the kettle black.

[grolgh]

This person has never contributed to anti-terrorism, and he has only contributed to physical attacks towards innocent civilians. Don't support this fraudster!!!

[gerardk51]

@grolgh

Perhaps you think Churchill encouraged Nazism? Your comments about Spencer are the same as those that were levelled against Churchill before the outbreak of ww2.

[emperoreitan]

is this an interview or a circlejerk?

i think charels johnson has pointed this scum out for who he is

supporter of EDL, useful idiots for facist europeans

[blazingcatfur]

@emperoreitan You realize that Chuckie is the new Godwin don't you?

[Acennendlic]

@emperoreitan

Its fascist now to oppose the subjugation and erasure of your own people? Sorry, not falling for this PC non-sense.

[Yankeegator]

Keep fighting for TRUTH Robert. You are in our Prayers...

[SeekingLight1]

It is racisim when you consider the racialised undertones in his anti-Muslim rhetoric.

On another note, there is nothing he finds fault with in Islam that also does not exist in some form or another in Judaism and Christianity in their traditional formulations.

[blazingcatfur]

@SeekingLight1 Nonsense. Stop making things up. Honestly "racialised undertones" , how silly.

[YouCruising]

@SeekingLight1 What are you blabbering about? Prove your baseless assertions with regard to Christianity and Judaism. Are people beheaded in the Jewish state of Israel for blasphemy as they are in Saudi Arabia today? Are people stoned to death for adultery in America (Christian state) as they are in DOZENS of islamic states?

Where is your evidence? I can provide HUNDREDS of accounts of islamic law calling for deaths, mutilations, and dismemberment's by islamic state governments. Your proof is?

[allan3141]

@SeekingLight1 "It is racisim when you consider the racialised undertones in his anti-Muslim rhetoric" What nonsense is this? "racialised undertones" what?

"anti-Muslim rhetoric" you cannot be serious. Everything he says is referenced and when it sounds extream it is because he is quoting persons etc of the very ideology he is critiquing. Are these people not also a sourse of concern to you? Or is it really all sweetness and light at there end and Robert making stuff up?

[gerardk51]

@SeekingLight1 "It is racisim when you consider the racialised undertones in his anti-Muslim rhetoric."

Islam is not a race.

[allan3141]

SeekingLight "..Christianity in their traditional formulations" Are you trying to argue that all religions are the same? I am not Christian but nowhere is it suggested that Jesus even carried a weapon, but Mohammed is said to have personally beheaded people in their hundreds. It is Islam ALONE (of these traditions) that speaks of “striking at their necks" and low and behold the present day Islamic penchant for beheading and throat cutting. Where in the Christian tradition does this exist?

[macnos]

@SeekingLight1 Muslim is not a race genius so how can it be racism? Your last sentence is especially stupid when you consider the fact that islam unlike Judaism and Christianity actually has a developed doctrine of warfare.

[ritamalik]

@SeekingLight1 Except that if you publicly criticize Christianity and Judaism and even call Jesus or Moses nasty names nothing what so ever will happen to you but if you even so much as dare say a negative thing about Islam or Muhammed you are in mortal danger of losing your head and this danger comes to you by the explicit sanction of the founder of that religion!! But I guess other than this very minute and unsubstantial difference everything else is just the same!

[trevormac77]

@SeekingLight1 There are over 10,000 recorded acts of violence committed by Muslims since 9/11 and I count the acts of violence committed by other religions since then then on one hand. Figures don't lie, but liars sure can figure.

[SeekingLight1]

Churchhill could be excused for his racisim, he lived in a different age, different time period. Spencer should know better living in a growing multicultural world. It is a shame that Coren panders to this kind of blatant racism.

[blazingcatfur]

@SeekingLight1 Islam is not a race. It is a religious/political ideology.

[SeekingLight1]

@blazingcatfur

by the way, Spencer is a strong advocate of the racial profiling of Muslims.

[blazingcatfur]

@SeekingLight1 Now that is silly. How do you profile a religion? Are suggesting you can tell a man's race by his religious faith? Now that's racist.

[TheFairKnight]

Never give up Robert, the smear merchants at the media sure wont, we need you more now than ever

[ucanifuwant]

Pathetic ....

[blazingcatfur]

@ucanifuwant I agree the MSM and the left certainly are.