Second American Revolution: George Grant (2 of 7)

[kife1818]

yea yea yea

[bamadawgsc]

You have the right to believe as you wish, just don't push it on other people. This is not a Christian nation.

[WarrantedFaith]

By saying that Christian's should not "push" their beliefs on others (whatever that means) you're really only being hypocritical. You have no right to tell Christians what they SHOULD and SHOULD NOT do with their beliefs if you likewise believe it is not right for them to tell others what they should and should not believe. How exactly does someone "push" his beliefs on others anyway? That's just a meaningless slogan liberals like to parrot. You can't force anyone to believe anything.

[mojohns44]

The series thus far is well presented. However, George makes a mistake labeling MLK Jr. as an ideological Liberal. King was liberal only in that he thought the status quo in America was unacceptable. The blessings of America SHOULD be extended to ALL of its citizens, Blacks included. If that's Liberal, then so am I.

Jesse Jackson is fully what you say he is and worse. He is also a bufoon and an extortionist. He long ago abandoned his pretext of religious standing.

[lexrextex]

George, you are doing great. I don't care if you read everything from a script or not, truth is truth but sometimes when you cast your pearls before those who know thier value there are always some swine there that don't have a clue what they are looking at. Keep up the good work.

[mrspogadaeus]

I sat in a Church History class when Dr. George Grant was teaching for two semesters and he didn't even use notes to teach an hour long class! So certainly he didn't need a script to spout a few lines from facts and ideas he's already got tucked in his head. The man's a genius. He needs no script.

[frenchis19]

again he is trying to act or talk as if the statements he makes are just rolling of his head! if youre going to read it then just set the paper infront of you like haggie does ! hehehe

[jcr4runner]

There is no script. You don't know George Grant.

[frenchis19]

for sure he is reading and it is as plain as the fake planes that hit the world trage centers

[jcr4runner]

I was the interviewer. He was not reading anything.

[AN51797]

After hearing George speak today; I can tell you he spoke and taught that way 30 years ago and he seems to be as grounded now as he was then.

[beancube2008]

George, are you real? I need a God. Can you be one for me? I must worship you till you sick of it. You killed Jesus without any effort. You deserve it.

[easmachine]

You're not making sense. Jesse Jackson always comes under scrutiny and criticism. MLK was called Martin Luther Coon and Martin Lucifer King by many in the establishment. This guy is delusional.

[DelBeano]

America isn't a Christian nation...it says right in the constitution that there can be no state sponsorship of religion. That makes us an officially secular nation. Sorry.

[homersparents]

where does it say no state sponsorship

or did a judge say so. or was it a letter from Jefferson...

where does it say no state sponsorship...???

[superbaddeathmachine]

of course these comments will be censored. Forget it, I don't want to comment on this..stuff, unless I can say the F word.

[jcr4runner]

No ad hominems of any kind -- just rational arguments.

[kencomer]

If churches want a bigger role in government, they must forego their privileged status. Let churches be taxed like any other entertainment venue. Do away with rules that accommodate people with dietary, apparel, etc. restrictions.

Neither the Dec of Ind nor the Constitution is a covenant with gods. "Creator" is mentioned, but doubters like Franklin likely just smirked and thought the Creator was Mom.

You're right about neutrality: USA Gov tries to treat all religions as equally separate.

[jcr4runner]

Since the graduated income tax is both unconstitutional and a violation of You Shall Not Steal -- I am in complete agreement with you. Do away with the IRS altogether and "tax-exempt" status becomes moot.

[kencomer]

You are not counting property taxes. Also, the courts ruled that the act of congress that introduced the federal income tax was constitutional.

Taxes are not a violation of the commandment not to steal. Jesus noted that explicitly (if you believe in the whole "Jesus existed", "every word of the Bible is literally true" [er, which edition?], etc. nonsense). If you don't remember that, go read it before you pretend you know what it says.

[jcr4runner]

GRADUATED income tax is theft and so is property tax.

A flat tax of no more than 10 percent would be completely biblical.

The Constitution requires that the U.S. Congress fund everything through taxes on goods and services. The 16th Amendment changed that, but it was passed during Reconstruction without a majority of states' support. We have seen a increase of the graduated income tax so that it flies in the face of even the original intent of the unconstitutional 16th amendment.

[homersparents]

there can never be a tax on religious institutions. its too close to that old constitutional "shall not establish laws concerning religion or the free exercise blah blah blah. we use taxes to admonish and deter certain behaviors like smoking...i.e. cigarettes get higher taxes. how can you tax something without writing a law about it. you cant write laws respecting(regarding) religion. so you cant tax it. your being silly...

[Atheistjeremy]

Religion, especially in the U.S., is BIG business and it should be taxed.

[jcr4runner]

The church is taxed now!

The church pays sales tax, property tax, etc.

Its minsters pay income tax. etc.

What you are talking about is the tax deduction for charitable giving.

We ought to abolish the IRS and go to a fair tax. That way people could give their money to the church or to anyone and it still wouldn't be taxed.

The church would pay taxes on goods and services (as it does now!) and it would be free to support political candidates without sanction.

Let's level the playing field!

[kencomer]

To you, what is secular, to me, is a nation of many religions (and many people who have no religion at all) that bends over backwards to accommodate a backwards-thinking, "my moral code is YOUR law" sheep who mostly have not even read their own religion's principal work.

American is not and should not be neutral on religion. It is separate. If you need help verifying the historicity of this, start reading something other than your own propoganda.

[bwildasi]

Unless the date was a dead metaphor or euphemism (Anno Domini), the Constitution's signers were counting the years since the start of a common faith in Christ, "our Lord", instead of say calendars of China, India, or Arabia.

"Done in Convention by the Unanimous Consent of the States present the Seventeenth Day of September in the Year of our Lord one thousand seven hundred and Eighty seven" (17-SEPT-1787)

[jcr4runner]

Somewhat of an ironic statement since you want me to grovel to your vision of America. Neutrality is a myth. Someone's vision of America is going to rule the day. Right now, it is a secular vision -- and I agree that America should be "secular" in that civil government ought not be ruled by the church. But we are a nation under God according to hundreds of our founding compacts, covenants, charters and constitutions.

[seathanaich]

If it's secular now, wait a few decades, when non-belief reaches the levels it has already reached in Europe. The US is the slowest nation in the "west" in this regard, but the statistics are moving, from 12% non-religious in 1991 to 16% in 2001.

[fra59e]

You can't "make" America secular. It's secular by design. For Europeans authority derived from God flows through the king to his subjects, whom he reigns over by divine right. The American model is the exact reverse of this. Our rights originate in We the People, not in a god or king. God isn't in our social contract, the US Constitution. In our secular republic, every point of view can be presented in the public square, and this includes religious opinions on an equal basis with all others.

[jcr4runner]

Question: Do you look at the Declaration of Independence as one of our founding documnents? What about the state constitutions? All of these are contracts under God.

[fra59e]

The America that I love to my core stands up straight and erect and proud and bows to nobody. She is not under anybody or anybody's god. Her authority comes from We the People. Those who wish to grovel to authority are welcome to do so and have complete freedom to do so, it's a free country, but they had better not try to make my beloved America subservient to any authority of their or anybody else's choice.

[seathanaich]

The US Constitution was written by non-Christian deists, who certainly would not capitalise the "g" in god as you do. They wrote a constitution which they hoped would limit the ability of others to force beliefs upon them. None of this is secret. Read what Washington, Franklin, Jefferson, Adams, Madison, Paine, Lincoln, Jackson, and Grant said privately about Christianity.

[homersparents]

You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are. Congress will do every thing they can to assist you in this wise intention; and to tie the knot of friendship and union so fast, that nothing shall ever be able to loose it.

[Atheistjeremy]

"You do well to wish to learn our arts and ways of life, and above all, the religion of Jesus Christ. These will make you a greater and happier people than you are."

The belief that dissenters of your religion will burn forever in a lake of fire is very conducive to "happiness."

Christianity is good for inculcating hate, guilt and intimidation.

[Bigp426]

We don't believe that people will burn forever in a lake of fire. Hell isn't forever, and hell doesn't yet exist. It will exist after the second war with satan, in which he and every sinners soul will be destroyed. Hell will be on earth, and heaven will be created after it (you guessed it, on earth).

[jcr4runner]

Is this hyper-preterism or just occultism?

[jcr4runner]

Are we not allowed to attack the liberalism of some prominent religious leaders simply because of their race? Wouldn't you say that's reverse racism? But that's exactly what liberals do! They say conservative Christian organizations should not have stake in the political process, but African Americans are allowed to use their churrch pulpits to campaign if they support liberal causes.

[cashewdoyle]

Pastor Grant starts out by making a sideways stab at prominent Black Americans.

And does not answer the questions but attacks seculars and liberals instead.