Your instructor looks like hes the man...I bet that cessna didnt climb all that well with him in the right seat though...Was out last week in a cirrus sr22 gts doing the exact same thing with the zero gravity. We were doing some low level through the desert putting a good 60 degrees of bank on the plane pulling a solid 3 g's. Feels good on the head my friend!
i had my first flight in a 172 the other day. Im taking lessons now. cant wait to get my license. i have to wait three years though. did they have to move the age to 17?
you're taking lessons at 14 years old? I don't think that's the best decision seeing as you have still 3 years to take the test....better to do it at 16 so it's more fresh in your mind!
@infinityjet if he continues flying frequently until he is 17 he will have a higher probability of passing his checkride although it is more expensive he will have a better grasp of the basics that are the fundementals of flight
@infinityjet thats true but at 14 if you got the money and want to fly do it he will end up having more time in the long run so if he wants an airline ticket he closer to that and a CPL
Everyone "dissapointed" by this video should go work for the FAA. Keep your wanna-be tough-guy comments to yourself. These guys are having a blast and you're jealous! The instructor loves his job, and is practicing safe habits. The pilot did a great job, and both were nice enough to let someone in the back seat. "They're missing the beers"...I'm sure they had them when they landed, go jerk me a slurpee from 7-11. By the way, who cares if youre "a private pilot yourself" we dont want your advice
There is not. It was one of the last flights before I took my checkride and wanted to know how to safely do the maneuver, so I did it with my instructor instead of trying it on my own later.
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As a private pilot myself I find this video HIGHLY DISAPPOINTING. A: The training aspect of this is laughable. No verbal audio, and endless camera juggling. B, The pilot and instructor seem more interested in hamming it up for the camera rather than doing the maneuvers properly or watching for traffic. C, Seeing how you had a passenger why didn't you employ some good crew resource management and make him film so you could see what was really going on. The only thing missing is 3 open beers! WEAK
I am the instructor from this flight. I must say that I am disappointed that you didn't like our video. I would like to resolve your complaints though...
A: I agree, this is by no means a King Video or an instructional video. This was a 5 minute excerpt from a training session with a student. It was meant to be fun, not necessarily educational purposes.
B: Believe it or not, you can observe a student while videoing. As you should know *being a pilot yourself* that to get to this point, a student would have done several hours of flying solo including practicing landings, local area flights, and cross countries. At this point, Aviator did not need the attention a totally new student whom is just learning to fly would need. Anyhow, something that you did not see in the video was the clearing turns made before we executed each maneuver.
C: If you noticed, we did have the passenger taking video during the critical phases of flight. As a matter of fact, she was filming most of the time!
Oh, and while we did not have a few beers during this training session as it would have been severely frowned upon by the FAA, there were a few bottles of Mt. Dew consumed on the post flight briefing! :D
I was looking at your face when you were doing the zero gravity, you looked a tad bit nervous, but I was too when I did that for the first time, there not my favorite, neither are stalls or steep turns.
As someone that's been flying for over 20 years without a scratch... what's the problem? It appears to me that no FARs were violated (including the pitch angle vs horizon) and the airplane was certainly not overstressed. Without a g-meter one can't be certain as to the actual load, but if it were even -1 g, the camera would have stuck to the roof. The fact that it merely floated says that it was less (far less I'm sure) than -1.
* As for the performance specs of the aircraft, unless you are affiliated with Cessna, DROP IT. The book from Cessna is where it stops. They MADE, they told us how to USE it, and how to INSPECT and SERVICE it. If the books says its OK, then it's OK. Are you telling us you are smarter than the engineer that designed it? Kindly point us to your engineering degree and your aircraft design. Then I'll shut up.
* Any instructor who fails to explore an area in interest for a student is doing their student a great disservice. Josh obviously wanted to see what a little negative G was like. He did the RESPONSIBLE THING! He went to his instructor, who showed him in a safe, controlled environment.
* As for the stress on the aircraft, aluminum stress IS cumulative, so if the structure is repeatedly overstressed, it may tend to fail at a lower stress level than an unstressed peice would. * For the maneuvers they were performing we don't see the attitude indicator, nor do we get a real clear look at the horizon, so I can't tell you how many degrees down they were, and neither can you. If you can't prove it, drop it. PERIOD.
* I will agree taking video may have not been very professional to say the least. Mike is in his mid twenties with about 1400 hours under his belt. He may have a little more fun than some instructors which may be viewed as "not very professional". On the other hand, I've flown with some of these "professional" instructors and they are so hard nosed that you never learn anything. I'd rather fly with a human than a machine. This is a PRIVATE pilot training course, not a F-16 training course.
Hi VanHool, I know all the parties involved, and know the aircraft involved. I am a pilot and a mechanic in my thirties. I have flown with Mike as an instructor. Now that you know who I am, let me comment on several of your points. * First, I agree that the system setup to educate pilots is often times flawed. A 20 year old kid with a little over 250 hours can be pushed into teaching someone how to fly. Really that "instructor" hasn't even learned how to fly.
I've been flying since November 11, 1977, (30 YEARS). You've been flying what? TWO YEARS? THREE TOPS? Your reputation? Lolol! Oh stop! You don't have a reputation. Fly for 10 - 20 years without getting a prop dirty and then you may earn a reputation.
Well, VanHool, For your information I have been flying 5 years. I have not so much as sullied a propellor or turbine blade. As for the rest I think it was pretty well covered. I'll drop it here.
Rationalize all you want. Any pilot worth his salt and any instructor knows performance specs on a plane are GUIDELINES and are OVERSTATED by the company to make their planes appear HOTTER than they really are. The performance specs are UNREALISTIC when adhered to literally can be dangerous. Especially when the pilot is HOT DOGGIN'!
---->>> BUT, an instructor behaving as you did in the plane is irresponsible, unprofessional and your referring to load limitations on paper written for a NEW plane FRESH OUT OF THE BOX using what are known as IDEAL condition and performance levels both mechanical and environmental which actually do not reproduce themselves in real world flying, especially in a 40 year-old airplane. Rationalize all you want, your performance as an instructor was irresponsible.
So, by your arguement we shouldn't even take a aircraft up in the air after a few years because of airframe age? I guess a annual and 100 hour checks are about worthless eh?
Ok, I would be willing to put my reputation on the line. If you want I can fly out there and meet you at the FSDO of your choice. You can bring the footage shown here. The only thing I ask is when the FSDO guy hands you back the CD and says I didn't do anything wrong I expect a steak dinner as well as a couple of bucks for my troubles. What do you say?
Ahhh, the arrogance and insolence and ignorance of youth. First, the word is CONSIDERING. Sure looks like it's more than 20 degrees nose-up in the video. Videos are accurate enough to convict. ---->>>>
This C-172 is roughly a quarter of a century old and this instructor is exceeding the load limits placed on this plane when it was brand new fresh out of the box. There is a fine line between Cool and Fool and this instructor crossed it. Was it fun? SURE! Irresponsibility often is!
I was Aviator's instructor durring the final phases of his training. Yes, that is me in the video.
Anyhow, I would like to show you the points on where you were wrong in both of your statements.
First, The C-172H model we were flying has a load limitation in both the utility and normal catagories. Consitering we had about 3/4 tanks and a third person onboard we were in the normal catagory.
This would give the load limitations of 3.8Gs to -1.5Gs. Further, the aircraft was at a low airspeed when this manuver was done. , around 60-65 mph in this case and was pushed forward just enough to get us floating alittle bit. IF there was -G it would be in the range of around -.5G still well within design limitations.
Further I would like for you to show me where I violated FAR 91.303 or did a manuver that was prohibited in this aircraft's AOM. Consitering the pitch never exceeded 20 degrees nose up or down nor did the bank exceed 45 degrees.
While the video did have some points where we may have seemed out of hand *Really it was more where the camera landed than the manuver itself* safety is always been paramount in my instruction. In the future I would recommend doing your homework before accusing others of wrongdoing.
This is the problem when you have kids teaching kids. A GOOD instructor is a SAFE instructor and this instructor risks the lives of his students and passengers when he pushes the neg gs of a Cessna 173 to their limits, Bot the g forces and attitudes initiated by this instructor were not only unsafe, they were illegal under FARs governing pitch attitudes in this aircraft without parachutes. This instructor should be cited.
Your instructor looks like hes the man...I bet that cessna didnt climb all that well with him in the right seat though...Was out last week in a cirrus sr22 gts doing the exact same thing with the zero gravity. We were doing some low level through the desert putting a good 60 degrees of bank on the plane pulling a solid 3 g's. Feels good on the head my friend!
nstcroix15 2 years ago
what happens in zero gravity?
rav2k6 2 years ago
@rav2k6 nothing u just get a cool feeling in ur stomach, and what ever is not tried down will float for like 3 secs
nycRCfan 1 year ago
i had my first flight in a 172 the other day. Im taking lessons now. cant wait to get my license. i have to wait three years though. did they have to move the age to 17?
austindv777 2 years ago
you're taking lessons at 14 years old? I don't think that's the best decision seeing as you have still 3 years to take the test....better to do it at 16 so it's more fresh in your mind!
infinityjet 2 years ago
@infinityjet if he continues flying frequently until he is 17 he will have a higher probability of passing his checkride although it is more expensive he will have a better grasp of the basics that are the fundementals of flight
capcadet417 1 year ago
@capcadet417
True...however it will be considerably more expensive AND the majority pass their checkride with only 1 year experience anyway...
infinityjet 1 year ago
@infinityjet thats true but at 14 if you got the money and want to fly do it he will end up having more time in the long run so if he wants an airline ticket he closer to that and a CPL
capcadet417 1 year ago
great video.. I loved the days when i was going through my flight instruction. Glad to see you all are having fun with it.
IFLYsquawking1200 2 years ago
since when was zero gravity in the pts. lol but congrats.
i just finished my 40 hours and im ready for the checkride but i cant take it until im 17 so i have to wait a month now
gcsjulian 2 years ago
Very funny video! Looks like that the flight instructor had a good time doing the zero gravity. I bet its fun in the flight class.
Want2bPilot94 2 years ago
That was a hell of a funny video...very funny fi too!!
CrossWindLEVC 2 years ago
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kptn4roger 3 years ago
Everyone "dissapointed" by this video should go work for the FAA. Keep your wanna-be tough-guy comments to yourself. These guys are having a blast and you're jealous! The instructor loves his job, and is practicing safe habits. The pilot did a great job, and both were nice enough to let someone in the back seat. "They're missing the beers"...I'm sure they had them when they landed, go jerk me a slurpee from 7-11. By the way, who cares if youre "a private pilot yourself" we dont want your advice
PilotDawgJ5 3 years ago
How many G's was that? Like 2 right?
MoxleyMauser 3 years ago
Hey Moxley,
It was around 1.5ish G's or so. We were doing a 45 degree bank per PTS requirements.
xgsft 3 years ago
Last I checked there was no zero gravity maneuvers on a ppl Checkride..w/e hope you passed
qolaxbenchwarmer07 3 years ago
There is not. It was one of the last flights before I took my checkride and wanted to know how to safely do the maneuver, so I did it with my instructor instead of trying it on my own later.
aviator06 3 years ago
lol its not that hard....
qolaxbenchwarmer07 3 years ago
Yea I figured that out. Thanks for watching!
aviator06 3 years ago
np...just curious where you flying out of
qolaxbenchwarmer07 3 years ago
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As a private pilot myself I find this video HIGHLY DISAPPOINTING. A: The training aspect of this is laughable. No verbal audio, and endless camera juggling. B, The pilot and instructor seem more interested in hamming it up for the camera rather than doing the maneuvers properly or watching for traffic. C, Seeing how you had a passenger why didn't you employ some good crew resource management and make him film so you could see what was really going on. The only thing missing is 3 open beers! WEAK
AtomicProjects 3 years ago
Hey Atomic,
I am the instructor from this flight. I must say that I am disappointed that you didn't like our video. I would like to resolve your complaints though...
A: I agree, this is by no means a King Video or an instructional video. This was a 5 minute excerpt from a training session with a student. It was meant to be fun, not necessarily educational purposes.
xgsft 3 years ago
B: Believe it or not, you can observe a student while videoing. As you should know *being a pilot yourself* that to get to this point, a student would have done several hours of flying solo including practicing landings, local area flights, and cross countries. At this point, Aviator did not need the attention a totally new student whom is just learning to fly would need. Anyhow, something that you did not see in the video was the clearing turns made before we executed each maneuver.
xgsft 3 years ago
C: If you noticed, we did have the passenger taking video during the critical phases of flight. As a matter of fact, she was filming most of the time!
Oh, and while we did not have a few beers during this training session as it would have been severely frowned upon by the FAA, there were a few bottles of Mt. Dew consumed on the post flight briefing! :D
xgsft 3 years ago
i wish i could have an instructor as cool as you :)
234h 3 years ago
I want him as my instructor!!
gavo78 3 years ago
ohh! I see what happened now, it was the camera that flew into the back seat when you did the manuever. LOL!
your instructor sure seems like an easy going and nice guy, where are you instructed at?
MoxleyMauser 3 years ago
I was looking at your face when you were doing the zero gravity, you looked a tad bit nervous, but I was too when I did that for the first time, there not my favorite, neither are stalls or steep turns.
MoxleyMauser 3 years ago
lol yea. I thought i'd make it look a little dramatic. They're one of my favorite maneuvers. Thanks for watching!
aviator06 3 years ago
Ive never seen an instructor laugh while flying, I wish these ones would down were I live. Gosh!
MoxleyMauser 3 years ago
Thank your instructor
1>he is letting you record video during these phases of flight.
2>he is funny as well as helping you in flying
and Nice VIDEO =D
mastersidharthji 3 years ago
Thanks for the nice comment ;)
aviator06 3 years ago
As someone that's been flying for over 20 years without a scratch... what's the problem? It appears to me that no FARs were violated (including the pitch angle vs horizon) and the airplane was certainly not overstressed. Without a g-meter one can't be certain as to the actual load, but if it were even -1 g, the camera would have stuck to the roof. The fact that it merely floated says that it was less (far less I'm sure) than -1.
vwdaun 4 years ago
* As for the performance specs of the aircraft, unless you are affiliated with Cessna, DROP IT. The book from Cessna is where it stops. They MADE, they told us how to USE it, and how to INSPECT and SERVICE it. If the books says its OK, then it's OK. Are you telling us you are smarter than the engineer that designed it? Kindly point us to your engineering degree and your aircraft design. Then I'll shut up.
w8nci 4 years ago
* Any instructor who fails to explore an area in interest for a student is doing their student a great disservice. Josh obviously wanted to see what a little negative G was like. He did the RESPONSIBLE THING! He went to his instructor, who showed him in a safe, controlled environment.
w8nci 4 years ago
* As for the stress on the aircraft, aluminum stress IS cumulative, so if the structure is repeatedly overstressed, it may tend to fail at a lower stress level than an unstressed peice would. * For the maneuvers they were performing we don't see the attitude indicator, nor do we get a real clear look at the horizon, so I can't tell you how many degrees down they were, and neither can you. If you can't prove it, drop it. PERIOD.
w8nci 4 years ago
* I will agree taking video may have not been very professional to say the least. Mike is in his mid twenties with about 1400 hours under his belt. He may have a little more fun than some instructors which may be viewed as "not very professional". On the other hand, I've flown with some of these "professional" instructors and they are so hard nosed that you never learn anything. I'd rather fly with a human than a machine. This is a PRIVATE pilot training course, not a F-16 training course.
w8nci 4 years ago
Most of the hard-nosed instructors have never been at peace with the airplane.
Adveniotu 4 years ago
Hi VanHool, I know all the parties involved, and know the aircraft involved. I am a pilot and a mechanic in my thirties. I have flown with Mike as an instructor. Now that you know who I am, let me comment on several of your points. * First, I agree that the system setup to educate pilots is often times flawed. A 20 year old kid with a little over 250 hours can be pushed into teaching someone how to fly. Really that "instructor" hasn't even learned how to fly.
w8nci 4 years ago
Kids.... Sheesh!
VanHoolPilot 4 years ago
I've been flying since November 11, 1977, (30 YEARS). You've been flying what? TWO YEARS? THREE TOPS? Your reputation? Lolol! Oh stop! You don't have a reputation. Fly for 10 - 20 years without getting a prop dirty and then you may earn a reputation.
VanHoolPilot 4 years ago
Well, VanHool, For your information I have been flying 5 years. I have not so much as sullied a propellor or turbine blade. As for the rest I think it was pretty well covered. I'll drop it here.
xgsft 4 years ago
Rationalize all you want. Any pilot worth his salt and any instructor knows performance specs on a plane are GUIDELINES and are OVERSTATED by the company to make their planes appear HOTTER than they really are. The performance specs are UNREALISTIC when adhered to literally can be dangerous. Especially when the pilot is HOT DOGGIN'!
VanHoolPilot 4 years ago
If anything airframe stress limits are drastically UNDERstated to avoid lawsuits. Performance numbers are definitely overstated though.
Adveniotu 4 years ago
---->>> BUT, an instructor behaving as you did in the plane is irresponsible, unprofessional and your referring to load limitations on paper written for a NEW plane FRESH OUT OF THE BOX using what are known as IDEAL condition and performance levels both mechanical and environmental which actually do not reproduce themselves in real world flying, especially in a 40 year-old airplane. Rationalize all you want, your performance as an instructor was irresponsible.
VanHoolPilot 4 years ago
So, by your arguement we shouldn't even take a aircraft up in the air after a few years because of airframe age? I guess a annual and 100 hour checks are about worthless eh?
xgsft 4 years ago
Ok, I would be willing to put my reputation on the line. If you want I can fly out there and meet you at the FSDO of your choice. You can bring the footage shown here. The only thing I ask is when the FSDO guy hands you back the CD and says I didn't do anything wrong I expect a steak dinner as well as a couple of bucks for my troubles. What do you say?
xgsft 4 years ago
Ahhh, the arrogance and insolence and ignorance of youth. First, the word is CONSIDERING. Sure looks like it's more than 20 degrees nose-up in the video. Videos are accurate enough to convict. ---->>>>
VanHoolPilot 4 years ago
there goes the cert. of airwothiness
alejin3 4 years ago
This C-172 is roughly a quarter of a century old and this instructor is exceeding the load limits placed on this plane when it was brand new fresh out of the box. There is a fine line between Cool and Fool and this instructor crossed it. Was it fun? SURE! Irresponsibility often is!
VanHoolPilot 4 years ago
Hi Van Hool.
I was Aviator's instructor durring the final phases of his training. Yes, that is me in the video.
Anyhow, I would like to show you the points on where you were wrong in both of your statements.
First, The C-172H model we were flying has a load limitation in both the utility and normal catagories. Consitering we had about 3/4 tanks and a third person onboard we were in the normal catagory.
xgsft 4 years ago
This would give the load limitations of 3.8Gs to -1.5Gs. Further, the aircraft was at a low airspeed when this manuver was done. , around 60-65 mph in this case and was pushed forward just enough to get us floating alittle bit. IF there was -G it would be in the range of around -.5G still well within design limitations.
xgsft 4 years ago
Further I would like for you to show me where I violated FAR 91.303 or did a manuver that was prohibited in this aircraft's AOM. Consitering the pitch never exceeded 20 degrees nose up or down nor did the bank exceed 45 degrees.
xgsft 4 years ago
While the video did have some points where we may have seemed out of hand *Really it was more where the camera landed than the manuver itself* safety is always been paramount in my instruction. In the future I would recommend doing your homework before accusing others of wrongdoing.
xgsft 4 years ago
This is the problem when you have kids teaching kids. A GOOD instructor is a SAFE instructor and this instructor risks the lives of his students and passengers when he pushes the neg gs of a Cessna 173 to their limits, Bot the g forces and attitudes initiated by this instructor were not only unsafe, they were illegal under FARs governing pitch attitudes in this aircraft without parachutes. This instructor should be cited.
VanHoolPilot 4 years ago
hahah cool intructor
marcelocaceres561 4 years ago
And the best dang instuctor at that. LOL
aviator06 4 years ago
Not sure Zero G flight is in the PTS ;)
Did ya pass?
wgp1234 4 years ago
Well, I'm not sure when he will be back on...
I was his instructor and I can tell you he did! ;)
xgsft 4 years ago