New training technique for those bends in Normandy

[kaioxygen]

Hi Nigel, I was wondering if you could answer a question for me. I recently did an Advanced Course and they taught me to use the "whole road". In regard to this at 3:10 he could have cut right across the left lane and turned the corner into a near straight. He had a very clear view ahead and could see that there were no hazards. I notice you never do this. Thoughts?

[advancedbiker]

@kaioxygen Thanks for the comments... I had a look at the clip and this instance there was a solid white line, so could not really cross it. Using the whole road.......Now that is a good question to try and answer. There is no problem using the whole road, if it is safe to do so and you get a benefit from it. However I do question this technique when it is done because you have been taught to do it. At legal speeds in this country I do not use the technique very much, no need.

[kaioxygen]

@advancedbiker Ok, point taken. Having said that if the line were broken you'd have no problem with him cutting it? I agree it is a technique that needs to be taught, but then again couldn't you say the same about the one you employ? In fact as far as I see it it's a logical extension of what you're teaching. As always thanks for your hard work with the vids and your replies.

[advancedbiker]

@kaioxygen Thanks for getting back....I am not against this technique, but if you are the 'THINKING' rider who can see the benefit against the dangers, then no problem. I do have an issue when I get some so called 'Advanced Trained riders' who are very robotic in their riding. They ride that way because that is how they have been taught. They do it automatically without thinking, when sometimes there is no need at all. They always come back, 'I am Advanced Trained.....'

[advancedbiker]

@advancedbiker - The courses I offer, especially the workshops to Normandy, look at developing Advanced Riding to the next level. Refining techniques and discussing openly all issues. For Advanced Motorcycling to be effective, it must be practical and not rigid in its application. At the end of the day 'Roadcraft' is only a guide. Discussion like this on Youtube, make it all worth the effort.

[jptanguero]

Nigel, This is excellent. Concise and unambiguous. I've been watching your vids for some weeks as I'm about to return to biking (after some re-training) and hopefully progress to advanced Rospa or similar. You are a public asset. Keep it coming. Cheers.

[advancedbiker]

I am only an e-mail away if you need any help,

Thanks

Nigel

[jdhorne82]

Wow, I like the number system. It's much more precise than "out more, out more" or "move inside." There is probably less room for "interpretation."

It also seems like the verbal numbers are easier to understand over the radio.

[advancedbiker]

Thanks

Work in progress.

Regards

Nigel

[pomplumber]

video's watched and enjoyed in Perth WA, keep em comming

[bentleybloke]

Hi Nigel, I am now doing my IAM because of the videos you make. I was confused with this system, it might just be me but it took extra time to convert the number to the meaning then act on the meaning. Surely just the word deep like before works well? I am having problems with my observed runs as the following bikes are not allowed radio contact for instruction. By the time I stop I cant remember my exact position to correct the prob. Might get a couple of hours training from you if that's OK?

[advancedbiker]

Training - No problem, neet upa t the Brocton tea stop

[mattbiker78]

I like the idea and as for the motorway lanes and getting confuzzled you could use first second and third for the lanes and exits from r,a's. it beat the way Derbyshire Police do the old keep out and keep in, much quicker and easier than the old way to reitterate to the student.

ride safe and enjoy the lovely sun we got!

Matt

[advancedbiker]

Thanks Matt

I haven't tried it on the 'proper' side of the road yet. Out Friday .....

[X32TOH]

Like the concept to get the positioning right. Need to reinforce it so that the student does not get confused with lanes 1, 2, 3 etc on the motorway and taking exits off roundabouts.

[advancedbiker]

I will sort out a briefing sheet with diagrams, early days, but feedback good from tose who used it.

[bikedemon99]

Good point

[MADMARK00]

Nice easy t understand instruction. I use the 1 2 3 position for my training aswell ( CBT and DAS)

You got a great picture of the beemer behind at 6:32 on the video in position 5 when he should have been at 2 and this really shows why its not good, as he`s leaning well into oncoming lane.

Mind if i capture the photo? for training purposes.

[lumpy711]

What's the problem with leaning into the oncoming lane if the road ahead is clear ?

Its obvious he can see way way round the curve as its a very open road, Just the same as straight lining roundabouts and overtaking off right handers, No problems here in my eyes.

oh,

Thanks for the new videos Nigel :)

[MADMARK00]

absolutely agree with you if the road is clear ahead and you have a good view, i was only saying as the instructions on the vid were stay 2 stay 2 and the camera was facing to the rear at the time and the bike further back was at position 2 also.

Still good for DAS to keep the safer positions as they are inexperienced and the advanced stuff can be learned later.

[advancedbiker]

REMEMBER This type of riding is not for CBT or Direct Access riders. Pass your test and then start to ride properly.....

[MADMARK00]

Oooh yes never try to teach my students advanced riding skills, but always advise them to consider advanced training after passing test and after getting used to their new bikes.

ERS is a good starting point and then on from there.

[advancedbiker]

Is the ERS working, any feedback ?

[MADMARK00]

Not too many bookings, but i guess its all about the money at the moment.

[jamiebridges123]

this makes sense actually.. :D

[thehowlingterror]

I think it may get a little confusing for some. I prefer the 'keep-out' or stay deep commands....i did like the bit where you could see the rider was in the wrong position and said 2-2-2-2-2-2-2-2 very fast :-)

Happy rides

Pat