@mytimeisapieceofwax I dont think 16 inch crash suck but i dont yes it that much like its nice to have for an extra hit and sound but for me persionally i like darker and lower sounding cymals
You can't make a fair judgement from this comparison because of the mic used, it cant pick up the low frequencies needed to give a full bodied sound. I can assure you the K Custom would piss all over the paiste had it been recorded properly.
Sound is a matter of opinion, quality is not. Even though the Paiste sounds better (in wich I respectfully disagree) the Zildjian has better quality and willl most likely last longer.
estoy ablando del crash por que el hit hat 201 no pasa nada con su sonido para los hit hat si los recomiendo el alfa y el raid me gusta mucho su sonido del pst5 tiene buen sonido y su campana lindo.
The camera is shit, it's picking up the frequencies that the human ear wouldn't notice so much and making both cymbals sound way shitter than they actually are. Also every single K cymbal will sound slightly different so this is stupid.
Aunque el zildjian es mayor serie el ALPHA de Paiste no tiene nada que envidiar y con uyn costo muchisimo menor obtengo una mejor repuesta. me quedo con el PAISTE.
la verdad me gusta mas como suena el alfa es menos latoso dependiendo del estilo que van a tocar pero si quieren economia calidad y buen sonido les recomiedo el paiste 201 su sonido es parecido al alfa un 10% de diferencia que no es mucho si quieren compruebenlo
It is also important to note that Paiste Alphas are B8 bronze, which everyone knows (typically) doesn't sound as good or have the same sound qualities (decay, etc.) as B20 bronze, which the K custom is.
I completely agree that this is in no way, shape or form even a remotely fair comparison... But come on... Zildjian K's win 100% of the time on this one. If you are familiar with the K line, you know that each cymbal is in perfect harmony with the next and you can always rely on a smooth decay... Now with that being said, the Alpha's put up a damn good fight for being $150 less. And the quality of the Alpha's for the price, is insane. I used to have an 18" alpha that I played with a few Sabian
I prefer the crash of the Paiste myself, it cuts through more to my ear, it sounds a little more gongy with light sticking but when it's crashed it's a lot brighter, I'd prefer the Alpha anyday, which surprised me as I didn't realise the K Custom was so much more expensive than the Paiste. Just goes to show personal tatse I suppose.
@nigelregan the alpha is good bu youve got to be retarded to take an alpha over a k custom, we all know we have some different tastes in musical instruments but its like, i wouldnt pick a toyota corolla over a lamborghini murcielago u see what im sayin
@luiggiibanez ....haha, I've never been called retarded before just coz I prefer a Paiste over a Zildjian, bit harsh brother, I've been a Zildjian fan mostly & last year bought Paiste 2000 Sound reflection Hi-Hats & they are the best Hi-Hats I've ever played, they are beautiful especially for the price $200NZ, so then thought I'd buy a Paiste 802 Power Crash & Power Ride and they blew me away with their sound for the money $100 NZ each!, the whole set cost $400! Awesome value & quality,
Yes yes yes, not a fair comparisson, but man, I'm amazed listening to that alpha, the sound quality is so close to the Z K, and it costs the half!! IMO the zildjian K sounds way more expensive haha.
I don't care if K is one of the best lines of Zildjian, I never liked Zildjian cymbals, and I'd definitely stick with Paiste, souns great yeah!!! You know the sharp sounds are better in cymbals, in my opinion I prefer! ;)
@DancesWithNarwhals Perhaps more accurately...a moderately-priced Paiste semi-pro cymbal vs a more expensive pro-level Zildjian. "Quality" and price don't necessarily equate. As I've previously noted, a very bogus comparison!
@DancesWithNarwhals Not hardly, though I've generally preferred Paistes for the last 10 years. As I've previously noted, this comparison is like comparing ZXTs, ZHTs or XS20s to Paiste Twentys or Signatures. The Ks and Alphas aren't in even remotely the same price point and are not intended or marketed to compete with each other. Why don't we compare HHXs to ZBTs next time? A usless and pointless exercise.
@DancesWithNarwhals Yes...multiple times. In fact, I'm listening to it right now...it comes on every time I open the website. And it's just as pointless this time as it was originally. If you like it, I'm sure that we can next arrange a comparison of a Hyundai Accent and a Lexus GS350. Have you read any of my other posts?
@DancesWithNarwhals Not hardly, though I've generally preferred Paistes, as a line, for the last 10 years. As I've previously noted, this comparison is like comparing ZXTs, ZHTs or XS20s to Paiste Twentys or Signatures. The Ks and Alphas aren't in even remotely the same price point and are not intended or marketed to compete with each other. Why don't we compare HHXs to ZBTs next time? A usless and pointless exercise.
My advice would be try each individual cymbal you buy to get the sound you want. Cymbals that come in sets sound bad most the time. Zildjian A customs have a set that sounds good thats about the only one i've heard. Paiste Alpha Have a lot better crashes and ride than xs20. to me the xs20 hats are decent....and the alphas are better still but for different reasons.....I dont know most the people i Know that got xs20 crashes wish they didn't no pro's play xs 20 but some pro's do play alphas
Paiste Alpha is actually a pro level cymbal its just a K is one of the top lines and Alphas are entry level of Pro sound....I think that if you compared it to any cymbal of a similar price though the alpha would blow it away....sounds good actually, but im a sucker for k's
Being a drummer and knowing a lot about the cymbal market and what cymbals are better and so on and so forth. I can tell you both these cymbals absolutely suck. The tone you get out of them is not good at all for any sound and just a general rule which most people don't think to be true is that Zildjian are the absolute worst cymbals you can buy. Used by most pros and said by many to be the best but Zildjian absolutely suck. They break easier and only offer the darkest of sounds
just so everyone knows this isnt a fair comparison. why?
theyre using the zildjian K customs, one of their highest lines. and theyre using paiste alphas, one of their lower end cymbals. not a very fair comparison
@xXguitardude9Xx It doesn't matter a comparison is a comparison. In this case neither cymbal is better than the other its about preference. But its still sad that the paiste alpha matches the quality zildjian K. So your dead wrong its a fair comparison.
@conservative95 no its not a fair comparison because its putting a very high level zildjian against a low level paiste. if theyre going to compare cymbals, they should use equal level cymbals.
@xXguitardude9Xx Paiste alpha isnt a low end symbal sabian b8s are. Plus its fair because paiste alpha matches up with zildjian K soundwise. Its not about cost its about sound. duh
@conservative95 In your opinion, how big of a difference is there between alphas and sabian's b8s? I'm looking to upgrade my b8 thin crashes that sound pretty terrible and I was looking at alphas because of their relative low cost and semi-pro level.
@TheSilverhawaiian B8s are crappy cymbals but still pretty good for beginners. Alphas can blow b8s out of the water you should get them but remember alway try it out yourself. And one more thing paiste makes rock and metal alpha cymbals pick one to fit your style I do know that the alpah metal splash is incredible.
To me, the Paiste sounds exactly like the bronze that it's made out of: inferior and tonally... well, just plain ugly. This K isn't my favourite sound either, but it beats the Alpha hands down, in my opinion.
@thedoodewhonoodles The "bronze" it's made out of is the same "inferior" bronze used for the 2002, Rude and Giant Beat series. So I guess that John Bonham, Alex Van Halen, Keith Moon, Nick Mason, Ian Paice, Carl Palmer, Marky Ramone, Stewart Copeland, Phil Rudd, Nikko McBrain, Frank Beard, Tico Torres, Simon Kirke and a host of others all played and recorded on "inferior" bronze. 'Course I'm sure that you're a much better and more discriminating drummer than they are/were.
@Paisteconvert I'm simply stating my opinions. No need to get all defensive about it. Don't worry, be happy :) And I've done my research. I know what 2002's etc. are made of.
@thedoodewhonoodles Then there's no need to talk about "inferior" bronze is there? Next time let's compare Paiste Signatures to ZHTs and XS20s as that's the sort of comparison that's being made here...and that's fact, NOT "opinion." Since you've "done your research," I would think from your posts that you consider 2002's, etc to be made out of "inferior" bronze. If you don't you should rephrase your posts. BTW...what do you play or prefer?
This is one of the most bogus comparisons I've seen!
(1) This Alpha line (Swiss made) was discontinued in 2005. Described by Paiste as "...basic professional sound quality and function...great sounding cymbals for a moderate investment." Zildkian K's are a premium pro cymbal line!
(2) Interstate Music's 2005 Catalogue says: Alpha was $123; K Custom Dark Crash was $194.95...over 50% more!
(3) Zildjian's are notably inconsistent from one cymbal to another. Paiste's are pretty consistent.
the paiste sounds better in this video because its heavier than the Zildjian so it sounds louder and brighter so the mic captures it's sounds better... But nevertheless the K custom sounds a lot cleaner, the alpha has a lot of overtones.... They should have compared 2 cymbals that have the same weight and diameter.
These cymbals are made in different ways, so the Zildjian will sound much better after 10-15 years of usage, while Paiste will keep this sound with a little variation.
Zildjian are in Bronze B20 and Paiste alpha in Bronze B8.
the K Custom has more of a trashy sound to it, bit like a china the paiste has more of a fuller sound to it.... i wish there were more videos like these online to compare cymbals....
@seanmacfitz The brilliant finished Alphas are made in Paiste's more automated plant in Germany, machine lathed but hand-hammered. The Alpha in this video was made in Paiste's much less automated Swiss plant (where their Signatures, Traditionals, Rudes and 2002s are made) and were hand-lathed and Hand-hammered.
@seanmacfitz Depends on the sound and look that you want. I prefer the look of the Swiss models (lathing similar to Sigs) and prefer the sound to most 2002s I've heard. I've noted the "twang" in the video on a 16" Power Crash, but my 16" Thin Crash is much closer to the Zil K. I'm very happy with my 18" Power Crash as a crash/ride. My son prefers my 18" PC to his German Alpha 18" Rock Crash. The German Alpha's seem a bit brighter in sound and better in Metal or "head-banger" type music.
@Thrust360 you mean the K Custom sounds alot better in the way that a China should sound right? 'cause that's what it sounds like.. Well ok. it has a little crash to it, but it sounds like a China. So you'd call it a Chrash cymbal!!! But that's not really a bad thing, some people like that.
@Killenmachine05 they are comparing a mid range paiste to a high range zildjian. if it were going to be even it would need to be the k custom dark vs a twenty or signature
I've bought K custom Dark crash 16 about 2 weeks ago. The same cymbal as you can see here. I want to tell 1 thing.
It sound very dark and full, you cannot see it here, because it's recorded on simple camera, not in studio or professional microphone.
Maybe it isn't sounds bad, but it sounds emptiness. You loose a lot of hums and you cannot hear complex of very RICH and DRY noise in real. I hope that you understand ;p
do you hear that gongy tone in the paiste? that is what divides good from bad cymbals. good cymbals don't have it. I have to admit, the K sounds really bad in this video, but I think the Alpha does sounv even worse
well honestly i think what ever sounds good then u should use. as a drummer i personally only play zildjian cymbals and i only use cymbals 17" and over. i really hate using 16" or lower cymbals cause there just to small and bigger is always better =] but hey like i said what ever floats your boat...use it!!!
@surtursfire Yea...sure! Go play a some XS20s (Sabian's mid-level cymbal) and then play Alphas (Swiss or German). You'll have to hit the Sabians twice as hard to get 1/2 the volume and lets not even talk about tone. In fact, I'll gladly compare the Alphas to AAXs or Zil A Customs. Sabian makes some very nice models (HHX & Evolution) and they do seem more consistent than Zils, but they've got nothing to compare with Signatures...at least to my ears (& I'm over 50 and was raised on Zils).
@surtursfire Or get Paiste 2002s, Twentys or Signatures and have a valid comparison. Please go listen to some HHXs & Twentys or AAXs and 2002s. Then you may have some more/less equal comparisons. I would suggest that you go listen to the sound samples on the respective websites but some are notoriously inaccurate/unrepresentative.
I would like to see this with a studio quality mic.I am a big Paiste fan(I own a twenty series crash and LOVE it) in this video the Alpha sounds better to me but in real life the K probably sounds WAY better.
@lambheartslayer You should have tried Paiste Rudes...they're no more expensive than Zil Ks...or tried an Alpha Thin Crash or even another Alpha crash as there is some variation between individual cymbals, even with Paiste. You'll never find 2 Zils that are as close, nor Sabians. Rudes are much better for "Slayer-type" music...just like Dave Lombardo uses! And if you want to talk about over-priced "crap," let's talk about Z-3s.
Come on guys, this video does not do zildjian justice.. its a freaking mic on a video camera. in person and actually playing, the K will cut through and sound so much better than that p.o.s paiste. You pay more for a product that by far has more work put into it. compare them in a studio and i think you guys know who would win.
im not to crazy about 16" crashes but the alpha had a better tone. but nothing compares to soultone cymbals!! if your looking for cymbals go with soultone. best cymbals around. i play soultone and i am in love with my cymbals check em out
lame, how they're comparing high-end zildjian to middle line paiste. though, im stuck between paiste, zildjian, and paiste, although i've been playing paiste for a while. i probably just need to test the other brands at guitarcenter...
Alpha is just a dream-crash: Full and warm. I love it so much! K sounds so bad next to Alpha. Even they are not the same price at all! In this vid they want to show that cheap (Alpha) can be better than those fucking expensive cymbals (Zildjian K)
I Want The Paiste Alpha
MrBassIb 2 days ago
PAAIIIISSTEEEEE
sousseress 1 week ago
I wouldn't mind having any of those two
Beats the sgit out my zbt
Jasaxos 1 week ago
Istanbul agop traditional paper thin wins!
juricabraja 2 months ago
i want them both, thank you :D
estebanskater123 2 months ago
aax x-plosion crash wins xD
JoaoL15 3 months ago
PAISTE ALPHA TOTALLY WINS!
kazarmageddon 3 months ago
ALPHA RULES
bestiagris 4 months ago
16 inch crashes suck. XD
mytimeisapieceofwax 4 months ago 3
@mytimeisapieceofwax I dont think 16 inch crash suck but i dont yes it that much like its nice to have for an extra hit and sound but for me persionally i like darker and lower sounding cymals
ledzeppelin259 3 months ago
K wins
drummerjstone 4 months ago
they both sound bad for me, but if I have to choose one, I prefer the Zildjian, because it has less harmonics.
RodHammett95 4 months ago
zildjian wins
rafaelradarcobrancas 4 months ago
You can't make a fair judgement from this comparison because of the mic used, it cant pick up the low frequencies needed to give a full bodied sound. I can assure you the K Custom would piss all over the paiste had it been recorded properly.
potteddipinside 4 months ago
Paiste 2002 wins
ruben79670 5 months ago
The k crash just sounds kinda dead. I actually think the paiste wins.
MrReedro1 7 months ago
thats the alpha from like the early 90"s
yoogrant 7 months ago
sabian wins!
Icandrum2 7 months ago
they both sound crap.
soph2991 7 months ago
I think the Paiste sounds better.
Remember guys, you DON'T need to spend top dollar for the SOUND you're looking for.
mynameisbaldwin 7 months ago
@mynameisbaldwin
Sound is a matter of opinion, quality is not. Even though the Paiste sounds better (in wich I respectfully disagree) the Zildjian has better quality and willl most likely last longer.
assbacon1 7 months ago
Zildjian K Custom vs Paiste Alpha...it's like Paiste Dark Energy vs Zildjian Planet Z
jmpuigdollers 8 months ago
bad mic
prognosis2112 8 months ago
eww the zidjian sounds like crap omg its nasty but i love the paiste
IllusionOP 9 months ago
loved the zildjian k
MrTJthedrummer 9 months ago
estoy ablando del crash por que el hit hat 201 no pasa nada con su sonido para los hit hat si los recomiendo el alfa y el raid me gusta mucho su sonido del pst5 tiene buen sonido y su campana lindo.
BERLIM4YOU 9 months ago
suenan bien ambos pero un poco mejor el alfa
BERLIM4YOU 9 months ago
suenan bien ambos pero un poco mejor el alfa
BERLIM4YOU 9 months ago
your opinion...paiste o zildjian?
basfbfaoc 9 months ago
@basfbfaoc ZILDJIAN
MBblink182 9 months ago
The camera is shit, it's picking up the frequencies that the human ear wouldn't notice so much and making both cymbals sound way shitter than they actually are. Also every single K cymbal will sound slightly different so this is stupid.
DrumMasterT 9 months ago
Aunque el zildjian es mayor serie el ALPHA de Paiste no tiene nada que envidiar y con uyn costo muchisimo menor obtengo una mejor repuesta. me quedo con el PAISTE.
aeddier 9 months ago
la verdad me gusta mas como suena el alfa es menos latoso dependiendo del estilo que van a tocar pero si quieren economia calidad y buen sonido les recomiedo el paiste 201 su sonido es parecido al alfa un 10% de diferencia que no es mucho si quieren compruebenlo
BERLIM4YOU 9 months ago
EPIC INTRO SONG!!!!!!!!!
bloodsoking 10 months ago
those are the old line of alphas
metalopolis1 10 months ago
It is also important to note that Paiste Alphas are B8 bronze, which everyone knows (typically) doesn't sound as good or have the same sound qualities (decay, etc.) as B20 bronze, which the K custom is.
j0gan673 10 months ago
I love the sustain of Paistes, and for the price the alphas are a steal
slashdelbarrio 11 months ago
It would be so unfair if the Paiste crash sounded better xD
EILIVdrummer 11 months ago
Paiste better than Zildjian. Paiste's are powerful and nice cymbals
00Dvid 11 months ago
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drummerworld691 1 year ago
That's not a fair comparaison . If they want a fair one , they sould take paiste twenty.
junos6 1 year ago
I completely agree that this is in no way, shape or form even a remotely fair comparison... But come on... Zildjian K's win 100% of the time on this one. If you are familiar with the K line, you know that each cymbal is in perfect harmony with the next and you can always rely on a smooth decay... Now with that being said, the Alpha's put up a damn good fight for being $150 less. And the quality of the Alpha's for the price, is insane. I used to have an 18" alpha that I played with a few Sabian
RedMoto113 1 year ago 10
Here's my opinion...
THEY BOTH SOUND LIKE SHIT.
Just sayin'. Let the trolling begin.
alexkills 1 year ago 38
@LinkinTheory69 yes but im saying that if theyre gonna compare cymbals, compare ones that are an equal fight
xXguitardude9Xx 1 year ago
z customs and rude work
a custom and paiste 2002 work
ZHT/ZBT/ZXT and Alpha/PST works not this
houseshoesbto 1 year ago
You guys are saying the Zildjians are more professional but the Paiste crash sounds way better 0.o
EpicMichalC 1 year ago
@EpicMichalC lol
lozclarke98 1 year ago
@EpicMichalC lol fail
luiggiibanez 11 months ago
your comparing a professional cymbal to a rookie cymbal you retard.
CGDrummer96 1 year ago
This is TOTALLY not a fair comparison.... K Customs should be compared with Paiste Twenty or Traditional series.
joshuachan56 1 year ago
I prefer the crash of the Paiste myself, it cuts through more to my ear, it sounds a little more gongy with light sticking but when it's crashed it's a lot brighter, I'd prefer the Alpha anyday, which surprised me as I didn't realise the K Custom was so much more expensive than the Paiste. Just goes to show personal tatse I suppose.
nigelregan 1 year ago
@nigelregan the alpha is good bu youve got to be retarded to take an alpha over a k custom, we all know we have some different tastes in musical instruments but its like, i wouldnt pick a toyota corolla over a lamborghini murcielago u see what im sayin
luiggiibanez 11 months ago
@luiggiibanez ....haha, I've never been called retarded before just coz I prefer a Paiste over a Zildjian, bit harsh brother, I've been a Zildjian fan mostly & last year bought Paiste 2000 Sound reflection Hi-Hats & they are the best Hi-Hats I've ever played, they are beautiful especially for the price $200NZ, so then thought I'd buy a Paiste 802 Power Crash & Power Ride and they blew me away with their sound for the money $100 NZ each!, the whole set cost $400! Awesome value & quality,
nigelregan 11 months ago
@nigelregan Paiste rules! Hells yeah!!!
SlayerPJO 9 months ago
Yes yes yes, not a fair comparisson, but man, I'm amazed listening to that alpha, the sound quality is so close to the Z K, and it costs the half!! IMO the zildjian K sounds way more expensive haha.
EliasUlrich1984 1 year ago
of course there not gonna use a good comparison, its a store they want you to hear the huge difference so youll buy the nicer ones...
dracula555555 1 year ago
I don't care if K is one of the best lines of Zildjian, I never liked Zildjian cymbals, and I'd definitely stick with Paiste, souns great yeah!!! You know the sharp sounds are better in cymbals, in my opinion I prefer! ;)
MrRock55100 1 year ago
How is this even comparable? Its a high quality Zildjian vs a low quality Paiste....
DancesWithNarwhals 1 year ago
@DancesWithNarwhals Perhaps more accurately...a moderately-priced Paiste semi-pro cymbal vs a more expensive pro-level Zildjian. "Quality" and price don't necessarily equate. As I've previously noted, a very bogus comparison!
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@Paisteconvert Oh, you're one of...those...people
DancesWithNarwhals 1 year ago
@DancesWithNarwhals Meaning what exactly?
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@Paisteconvert One brand is better than another, regardless to the cymbals actual sound.
DancesWithNarwhals 1 year ago
@DancesWithNarwhals Not hardly, though I've generally preferred Paistes for the last 10 years. As I've previously noted, this comparison is like comparing ZXTs, ZHTs or XS20s to Paiste Twentys or Signatures. The Ks and Alphas aren't in even remotely the same price point and are not intended or marketed to compete with each other. Why don't we compare HHXs to ZBTs next time? A usless and pointless exercise.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@Paisteconvert I'm curious...Did you even listen to the video?
DancesWithNarwhals 1 year ago
@DancesWithNarwhals Yes...multiple times. In fact, I'm listening to it right now...it comes on every time I open the website. And it's just as pointless this time as it was originally. If you like it, I'm sure that we can next arrange a comparison of a Hyundai Accent and a Lexus GS350. Have you read any of my other posts?
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@DancesWithNarwhals Not hardly, though I've generally preferred Paistes, as a line, for the last 10 years. As I've previously noted, this comparison is like comparing ZXTs, ZHTs or XS20s to Paiste Twentys or Signatures. The Ks and Alphas aren't in even remotely the same price point and are not intended or marketed to compete with each other. Why don't we compare HHXs to ZBTs next time? A usless and pointless exercise.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
My advice would be try each individual cymbal you buy to get the sound you want. Cymbals that come in sets sound bad most the time. Zildjian A customs have a set that sounds good thats about the only one i've heard. Paiste Alpha Have a lot better crashes and ride than xs20. to me the xs20 hats are decent....and the alphas are better still but for different reasons.....I dont know most the people i Know that got xs20 crashes wish they didn't no pro's play xs 20 but some pro's do play alphas
jagne03 1 year ago
Mike Johnston uses All alphas on his set up and his is a pro.
jagne03 1 year ago
Paiste Alpha is actually a pro level cymbal its just a K is one of the top lines and Alphas are entry level of Pro sound....I think that if you compared it to any cymbal of a similar price though the alpha would blow it away....sounds good actually, but im a sucker for k's
jagne03 1 year ago
these or sabian xs20 (the entire set, not just the crash)
i need versatile cymbals
unduswaffel 1 year ago
@unduswaffel Have you actually listened/played Alphas and XS20s back-to-back? I would strongly suggest that you do before you buy either of them.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@Paisteconvert i can't
unduswaffel 1 year ago
K is better but they both sound like shit to me...
DarkestSidesoftheSun 1 year ago
@DarkestSidesoftheSun I've never heard anybody saying a "K series sounding like S$*%" smh -___-
1111ccccgggg 1 year ago
@davegrohl2k98 That's a great point Dave. And you are right.
yolichka1 1 year ago
Being a drummer and knowing a lot about the cymbal market and what cymbals are better and so on and so forth. I can tell you both these cymbals absolutely suck. The tone you get out of them is not good at all for any sound and just a general rule which most people don't think to be true is that Zildjian are the absolute worst cymbals you can buy. Used by most pros and said by many to be the best but Zildjian absolutely suck. They break easier and only offer the darkest of sounds
SiletteDK70 1 year ago
just so everyone knows this isnt a fair comparison. why?
theyre using the zildjian K customs, one of their highest lines. and theyre using paiste alphas, one of their lower end cymbals. not a very fair comparison
xXguitardude9Xx 1 year ago 61
@xXguitardude9Xx dude, his trying to show how good the Alphas sound.
maciekomis 1 year ago
@xXguitardude9Xx I still prefer the Paiste. I like brighter cymbals.
Suiax 9 months ago
hola
BERLIM4YOU 9 months ago
@xXguitardude9Xx It doesn't matter a comparison is a comparison. In this case neither cymbal is better than the other its about preference. But its still sad that the paiste alpha matches the quality zildjian K. So your dead wrong its a fair comparison.
conservative95 7 months ago
@conservative95 no its not a fair comparison because its putting a very high level zildjian against a low level paiste. if theyre going to compare cymbals, they should use equal level cymbals.
xXguitardude9Xx 7 months ago
@xXguitardude9Xx Paiste alpha isnt a low end symbal sabian b8s are. Plus its fair because paiste alpha matches up with zildjian K soundwise. Its not about cost its about sound. duh
conservative95 7 months ago
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09basscat 7 months ago
@conservative95 In your opinion, how big of a difference is there between alphas and sabian's b8s? I'm looking to upgrade my b8 thin crashes that sound pretty terrible and I was looking at alphas because of their relative low cost and semi-pro level.
TheSilverhawaiian 6 months ago
@TheSilverhawaiian B8s are crappy cymbals but still pretty good for beginners. Alphas can blow b8s out of the water you should get them but remember alway try it out yourself. And one more thing paiste makes rock and metal alpha cymbals pick one to fit your style I do know that the alpah metal splash is incredible.
conservative95 6 months ago
@conservative95 Thanks. I think my skills warrant at least a new crash or two. Thanks for the suggestions.
TheSilverhawaiian 6 months ago
To me, the Paiste sounds exactly like the bronze that it's made out of: inferior and tonally... well, just plain ugly. This K isn't my favourite sound either, but it beats the Alpha hands down, in my opinion.
thedoodewhonoodles 1 year ago
@thedoodewhonoodles The "bronze" it's made out of is the same "inferior" bronze used for the 2002, Rude and Giant Beat series. So I guess that John Bonham, Alex Van Halen, Keith Moon, Nick Mason, Ian Paice, Carl Palmer, Marky Ramone, Stewart Copeland, Phil Rudd, Nikko McBrain, Frank Beard, Tico Torres, Simon Kirke and a host of others all played and recorded on "inferior" bronze. 'Course I'm sure that you're a much better and more discriminating drummer than they are/were.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@Paisteconvert I'm simply stating my opinions. No need to get all defensive about it. Don't worry, be happy :) And I've done my research. I know what 2002's etc. are made of.
thedoodewhonoodles 1 year ago
@thedoodewhonoodles Then there's no need to talk about "inferior" bronze is there? Next time let's compare Paiste Signatures to ZHTs and XS20s as that's the sort of comparison that's being made here...and that's fact, NOT "opinion." Since you've "done your research," I would think from your posts that you consider 2002's, etc to be made out of "inferior" bronze. If you don't you should rephrase your posts. BTW...what do you play or prefer?
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
This is one of the most bogus comparisons I've seen!
(1) This Alpha line (Swiss made) was discontinued in 2005. Described by Paiste as "...basic professional sound quality and function...great sounding cymbals for a moderate investment." Zildkian K's are a premium pro cymbal line!
(2) Interstate Music's 2005 Catalogue says: Alpha was $123; K Custom Dark Crash was $194.95...over 50% more!
(3) Zildjian's are notably inconsistent from one cymbal to another. Paiste's are pretty consistent.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
compare K CUSTOM DARK CRASH vs PAISTE SIGNATURE DARK CRASH (K is top, Alpha is medium level) aí sim...
georgegcamargo 1 year ago 2
you can really see the alpha vibrate
dododonkey123 1 year ago
I think my ideal setup would have Sabian hats, Dream and Sabian crashes, a Wuhan china, a Dream splash, and a Zildjian ride.
madpaintbalerx 1 year ago
@ausdrummer11 i know but there using the old alphas, cause it has the old logo for them on it
anarcy7777u 1 year ago
why are they doing the old alphas, why not try the new on es which are about 1000 times better than these old ones
anarcy7777u 1 year ago
i like the music at the start better than the cymbals
MrXAzevedo 1 year ago
Paiste
Grinderblack 1 year ago
love to have em both on my kit xD
Secondofolitude 1 year ago
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the paiste sounds better in this video because its heavier than the Zildjian so it sounds louder and brighter so the mic captures it's sounds better... But nevertheless the K custom sounds a lot cleaner, the alpha has a lot of overtones.... They should have compared 2 cymbals that have the same weight and diameter.
jfilizzola 1 year ago
These cymbals are made in different ways, so the Zildjian will sound much better after 10-15 years of usage, while Paiste will keep this sound with a little variation.
Zildjian are in Bronze B20 and Paiste alpha in Bronze B8.
mentzsana 1 year ago
Paiste. Definitely.
wowrazzor 1 year ago
Alpha
ShadaZs 1 year ago
Different sounds, but the Paiste impressed me. If I didn't buy stuff used, Alphas would be on my kit.
DSCRAPRE 1 year ago
omg! the alpha is darker then the zildjian dark crash!
it sounds so better!!!!!!!
omritaub12 1 year ago
The Paiste has that weird overtone...sounds like somebody is ring a bell in the background with it.
Grannyhauenstein 1 year ago
The Paiste is humming. Other than that it sounds good.
x2bnex2me 1 year ago
the K Custom has more of a trashy sound to it, bit like a china the paiste has more of a fuller sound to it.... i wish there were more videos like these online to compare cymbals....
VBoodZ 1 year ago
Wow I feel pretty confident if i put my PST 5 16" Crash with the K Custom, Paiste would still win.
Suiax 1 year ago
zildjian sounds soo much better
lucci97 1 year ago 2
Whats the difference in between this one and the one with the brilliant finish
seanmacfitz 1 year ago
@seanmacfitz the brilliant finish sounds a bit more brilliant, the overtones are more marked!
Meatlooaf 1 year ago
@seanmacfitz The brilliant finished Alphas are made in Paiste's more automated plant in Germany, machine lathed but hand-hammered. The Alpha in this video was made in Paiste's much less automated Swiss plant (where their Signatures, Traditionals, Rudes and 2002s are made) and were hand-lathed and Hand-hammered.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@Paisteconvert cool. so witch would you suggest to get?
seanmacfitz 1 year ago
@seanmacfitz Depends on the sound and look that you want. I prefer the look of the Swiss models (lathing similar to Sigs) and prefer the sound to most 2002s I've heard. I've noted the "twang" in the video on a 16" Power Crash, but my 16" Thin Crash is much closer to the Zil K. I'm very happy with my 18" Power Crash as a crash/ride. My son prefers my 18" PC to his German Alpha 18" Rock Crash. The German Alpha's seem a bit brighter in sound and better in Metal or "head-banger" type music.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
the k sound alot better in the way that a crash should sound
Thrust360 1 year ago
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@Thrust360 you mean the K Custom sounds alot better in the way that a China should sound right? 'cause that's what it sounds like.. Well ok. it has a little crash to it, but it sounds like a China. So you'd call it a Chrash cymbal!!! But that's not really a bad thing, some people like that.
Suiax 1 year ago
I hate K so fackin' much, just love the Paiste Alpha! Im going to buy a new crash from it!
Meykuhh23 1 year ago
paiste. for sure. nothing else. FUCK OF ZILDIJAN
dHANNESd 1 year ago
why are you using an old alpha? why not use the new ones?
anarcy7777u 1 year ago
CHeap vs Expensive, Hand hammered vs Automatic machine, Cast vs Sheet, B20 vs B8. Paiste WINS!
DennyAJD 1 year ago
k wins hands down man
the k decays alot quicker unlike the paiste that has that ugly pwang sound to it
Killenmachine05 1 year ago 16
@Killenmachine05 oh yeah that ring out is badd
mkbyrne 1 year ago
@Killenmachine05 they are comparing a mid range paiste to a high range zildjian. if it were going to be even it would need to be the k custom dark vs a twenty or signature
InfernalPenguin 1 year ago
in all fairness the k custom is a dark crash so its going to be more dry.
thepurplepowerranger 1 year ago
i like the k better coz the alpha has a that cheep sounding aftertone to it where as the zildjian dosnt
jamy313 1 year ago
neither are better. You cant decide from the sound quality of this video. Go hear them in real life.
devrayy 1 year ago
Paiste has a gong hum sound to it. The K Zildjian sounds better.
stoogman 1 year ago
I would pick the zildjian
bullet1rose 1 year ago
k custom is wayyyy better
bamfreak249 1 year ago
I love the K sound, to me it´s a better choice.
ErickSartorelli 1 year ago
its all a matter of opinion... i think that the Zildgian sounds way better but everyone has their own tastes
overated69 1 year ago
underestimating a K custom by comparing it to Alpha.. classic
Alpha FTW!
makmubotak 1 year ago
The K Custom is better
DrumCoalitionWithWar 1 year ago
crappy mic, doesn't do enough justice to define the sound of the crashes properly.
thadgan 1 year ago
@thadgan oh, try a new speaker
makmubotak 1 year ago
k blows the alpha out of the water...the alpha sounds like a gong and has awful overtones
zerussomaniac 1 year ago
I've bought K custom Dark crash 16 about 2 weeks ago. The same cymbal as you can see here. I want to tell 1 thing.
It sound very dark and full, you cannot see it here, because it's recorded on simple camera, not in studio or professional microphone.
Maybe it isn't sounds bad, but it sounds emptiness. You loose a lot of hums and you cannot hear complex of very RICH and DRY noise in real. I hope that you understand ;p
Shyshak99 1 year ago
The paiste will overpower the drums its being played with while the k custom will kind of blend in with the drums
razorkick4321 1 year ago
do you hear that gongy tone in the paiste? that is what divides good from bad cymbals. good cymbals don't have it. I have to admit, the K sounds really bad in this video, but I think the Alpha does sounv even worse
Gnarm0 1 year ago
well honestly i think what ever sounds good then u should use. as a drummer i personally only play zildjian cymbals and i only use cymbals 17" and over. i really hate using 16" or lower cymbals cause there just to small and bigger is always better =] but hey like i said what ever floats your boat...use it!!!
psalm6teen 1 year ago
The Paiste Alpha 16" Crash is much better!
SdrummerR 1 year ago
The obvious solution here is to just get Sabians.
surtursfire 1 year ago 17
@surtursfire exactly jjaj XD sabian all the way
timemachinedrummer 1 year ago
@surtursfire truth
FUTTAHSIKK 1 year ago
@surtursfire haha so right
kokainkonni 1 year ago
@surtursfire Haha. So True :)
DrumingRandomness 1 year ago
@surtursfire the obvious solution is ur mom
kris94c 1 year ago
@surtursfire This made my day, haha!
gabe956 1 year ago
@surtursfire hahaha not,
sabian isnt as good as paiste every good drummer know that. Sabian have a SHORT VERY SHORT sound and not as warm as the lowest paiste cymbal
Marc716 1 year ago
@Marc716 that depends on what sound you like on cymbals not how good you can drum
larswarlock 1 year ago
@surtursfire Yea...sure! Go play a some XS20s (Sabian's mid-level cymbal) and then play Alphas (Swiss or German). You'll have to hit the Sabians twice as hard to get 1/2 the volume and lets not even talk about tone. In fact, I'll gladly compare the Alphas to AAXs or Zil A Customs. Sabian makes some very nice models (HHX & Evolution) and they do seem more consistent than Zils, but they've got nothing to compare with Signatures...at least to my ears (& I'm over 50 and was raised on Zils).
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
@surtursfire Or get Paiste 2002s, Twentys or Signatures and have a valid comparison. Please go listen to some HHXs & Twentys or AAXs and 2002s. Then you may have some more/less equal comparisons. I would suggest that you go listen to the sound samples on the respective websites but some are notoriously inaccurate/unrepresentative.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
just put my deposit down on 18" & 19" Alpha Rock crashes after trying them out. Oh yes!
monsterjohn 2 years ago
which should i should buy
zildjian A custom or paiste alpha?
marul177 2 years ago
I would like to see this with a studio quality mic.I am a big Paiste fan(I own a twenty series crash and LOVE it) in this video the Alpha sounds better to me but in real life the K probably sounds WAY better.
272Christopher 2 years ago
This is sooo bias, you are using the OLD discontinued alphas and comparing them to a LATEST high end zildjian. Stupid.
Hyp3rSnip3rUK 2 years ago
the version of the Alpha is an old version of it... the 2006 version is like 50 times better!
pearldrummer250 2 years ago
Too true, the new alphas are fantastic!
Hyp3rSnip3rUK 2 years ago
My thoughts on this video:
MEINL BYZANCE
THEPANTSWEREDEAD 2 years ago 3
@THEPANTSWERED
metaldrummer148 1 year ago
I had one of those alphas, actually this very one, and i returned it REAL quick. What a piece of crap.
lambheartslayer 2 years ago
@lambheartslayer You should have tried Paiste Rudes...they're no more expensive than Zil Ks...or tried an Alpha Thin Crash or even another Alpha crash as there is some variation between individual cymbals, even with Paiste. You'll never find 2 Zils that are as close, nor Sabians. Rudes are much better for "Slayer-type" music...just like Dave Lombardo uses! And if you want to talk about over-priced "crap," let's talk about Z-3s.
Paisteconvert 1 year ago
Come on guys, this video does not do zildjian justice.. its a freaking mic on a video camera. in person and actually playing, the K will cut through and sound so much better than that p.o.s paiste. You pay more for a product that by far has more work put into it. compare them in a studio and i think you guys know who would win.
cooples1 2 years ago 3
im not to crazy about 16" crashes but the alpha had a better tone. but nothing compares to soultone cymbals!! if your looking for cymbals go with soultone. best cymbals around. i play soultone and i am in love with my cymbals check em out
JayPhat112590 2 years ago
wow i thought the 16" alpha didn't sound great but then the K sounded even worse. I use 18" and 20" Alpha Rock Crashes, they are beautiful beasts.
TOOLAREFCKINCOOL 2 years ago 3
lame, how they're comparing high-end zildjian to middle line paiste. though, im stuck between paiste, zildjian, and paiste, although i've been playing paiste for a while. i probably just need to test the other brands at guitarcenter...
beatofthedrums 2 years ago
it's even more lame how the middle line paiste cymbal beats the shit out of that high-end zildjian cymbal.
hah.
shumped 2 years ago 2
@shumped lol, i've always thought that was kinda funny. zildjian's just well marketed; well that's my opinion, at least.
beatofthedrums 2 years ago
sweet background music...
Sabiano 2 years ago
Alpha is just a dream-crash: Full and warm. I love it so much! K sounds so bad next to Alpha. Even they are not the same price at all! In this vid they want to show that cheap (Alpha) can be better than those fucking expensive cymbals (Zildjian K)
Meykuhh23 2 years ago