horses just can't go with her! Starspangledbanner, wouldn't get a whiff of her rear end! And that's no overstatement. Yeah I know, your lesser performed stayers win G1's in Australia, I don't doubt that, that's our whole breeding scene up shit creek, Emphasis is on speed and winning Golden Slippers to make stallions, all I'm saying is she would beat/eat Frankel, but she'll never get the chance!
7f-8f? Shite, she'd even run 1m and 2. When's he's plodding his last furlong in 15, Luke Nolen will be getting his mug ready for the photo! He can make her chase as much as he wants, he won't break her, she's had G1 Aus Sprinters off the bit at the 800m, most of which would make a mockery of your plodders over there. Yeah you have great 4000m horses like Yeats and Alandy and Septimus and you're European bred horses dominate our staying races, but she will take all before her,
Sad thing is, BC will go and destroy those cart horses in a Jubilee or a July Cup, which is a money-in-the-bank Newmarket Hcp (with probably 9-6 or 60kg) in her own backyard, but enjoyable enough to watch. Hopefully Mood's heads to Dubai on the way and annihilates them first, then decide to bypass those piss weak sprints at Royal Ascot and head to the US which would be great for racing! And Frankel? She'd beat Frankel that is that, I'd like to see him try and get her off the bit!!
@MrNativeDancer Sea Bird (1965 ) ran before the international classifications were introduced ( 1977 ). However, Timeform already rate Frankel at 143 - two pounds behind Sea Bird ( 145 ). Even so, Frankel, as yet, has not won beyond a mile. Sea Bird is arguably the greatest 12 furlong turf horse ever, and even if Frankel does surpass the great French colt's 145 figure, few will consider him better at that distance.
canny be serious fuk off black caviar is the best in tthe fukn world, it beats hay lisy by 5 lengths and thats better than any of you english shit anyway
frankel might require a pacemaker to keep up with black caviar from australia ;saying that they'll never the twain shall meet ,as black caviar will be aimed at the sprint riche's on offer in the uk . If you thought takeover target was a gun ,this mare would eat t/target for breakfast. This mare stand's at almost 17 hand's ,weighing 570 kgs racefit ,with a turn of foot never seen from a sprinter in australia
he is a really good horsei can see but i think black cavar would win him he barley one by a horses lenth black cavier seems to always wwin by at least 5
@puppy13337 Don't judge Frankel by just this race, his rider, T. Queally, made a bad mistake and sent him with 3+ furlongs left. Watch his Sussex where he destroys Canford Cliffs, and QEII where he dismantles Excelebration again and Immortal Verse. Another note, you'll see the three horses who beat Goldikova this year, Dream Ahead, Immortal Verse, and Canford Cliffs were all vanquished, decisively, by Frankel.
@lewie001 '' Frankel come over and take on Black Caviar you chicken shit '' Your not that intelligient are you? Why would the Frankel connections trape all the way over the other side of the world to beat a poxy sprinter? Next year he will prove himself one of the greatest of all time and winning Gr1s at 10furlongs. Black Caviar will stick to 6 furlongs and beat Haylist and a few other donkeys in fields of no more than 5. Black Caviar one of the most overrated Aussie horses of all time. Even...
@ASupremeOwl Owl, your are a rationgs man. Have a look at RacingPosts ratings, which ara much more accurate relection of the state of international racing. Frankel quite properly tops the list of milers. Pleasing to see Ambitious Dragon among the leaders. As for the sprinters, you will find the four on its list are Australian horses - the donkeys Black Caviar beats pointlessly. Of course, Timeform couldn't help putting Deacon Blues above Hay List, which is must be some kind of prank!
@SvendBosanvovski Frankels official BHA Rating is 135. I just dont get the figures Timeform come up with LOL They on another planet hehehe The Official Rating is the more scientifically accurate ratings based on what they have beat and what the beaten have achieved etc I think the Official rating of 135 is about right, I had him on 136 so there you go hehe
@MrNativeDancer We'd all have to concede that he is the best miler in the World today, taking a line through the Brit/Euros that raced in Japan and Hong Kong. His breeding also suggest that he will handle 10f without any trouble. There remains a nagging doubt about his capacity to handle the kind of sustained speed we saw in the Champion Stakes or the Arc. His wins at Goodwood and Ascot, although visually impressive, were a little hollow. In the QE2, they ran ...
@MrNativeDancer ...the first furlong in slower than even time and the last in just under 12.5 secs, which means that it was ostensibly a solid 6f sprint. At Goodwood, which is downhill from the 4f, he ran considerably slower than last years editions. Slow times characterise all of Frankel's wins. Now I know the arguments about his guineas win - the wind, etc - but he beat nothing in that filed. Not one of the vanquished went on to leave a mark. And Frankel's biggest tests..
@MrNativeDancer ...have been over the one distance and against his own age, part from the Sussex Stakes. Like everyone else, I want to see him thoroughly tested against the A-league ths year. I don't regard his perfromances as having been superior to Black Caviar. I would have them equal on around 132 to 135, as they were until the Sussex. Neither it or the QE2 merit a higher mark.
@lewie001 more so than So You Think who was found out good and proper in the Europe. Who as Black Caviar ever beat? Shes never faced Sepoy, Rocket Man, JJ The Jet Plane. Black Caviar - Yawn...
@CannyBeSerious Black Caviar is 7lb inferior to Frankel. That is the official ratings. Shes a sprinter 6 furlongs is he minimum. If she raced Frankel over 7f or 8f he would have her off the Bridle before the last furlong. Hes a machine. One of the greatest of all time. Black Caviar just another Zenyatta. Jog on you boring deluded Aussie cunts...
@ASupremeOwl Black Caviar just another Zenyatta?? So basically you're saying that she's also one of the all-time greats?? Because I mean Frankel, Zenyatta, and Black Caviar are all amongst the all-time greats, both on their respective continents, and, well, ever. Zen's wonderful career is over, Frankel will prove his mettle at longer distances which I look forward to, and Caviar, well she won't be tested until they come to Europe for Ascot - Golden Jubilee, and the July Cup. All 3 are great.
@CannyBeSerious Frankel had a pacemaker in the Guineas but didnt need him. He won the Sussex without a pacemaker. Goldikova one of the greatest mares of all time as used pacemakers throughout her career. Get back to watching Black Caviar beat the same old shit and ducking the proper competetion to keep her meaningless record in tact. Shes not on the same wavelength as a proper champion in Frankel...
Looky here - another Frankel race, another pace setter for the stable making sure he sets the race up. I'm sorry this horse isn't talented... race somewhere where the racing is REAL where you cant cheat.
@debbider zoffany hasn't been fit in a long time and the change in climate cleary didn't change that. When was the last time the yanks had a horse on Frankel's level? Last few years top horses have been Frankel 2011, Workforce 2010, Sea The Stars 2009, Zarkava 2008 ect...
@debbider and Cape Blanco, a decent horse but no superstar, has been hoovering up US Group 1s at odds against...whether that show us anything about the relative merits of US and EUR form is debatable as is your point about Zoffany. It would be interesting if we had a "world championship" held in alternate years on each side of the ocean. We don't so comparison is irrelevant.
@debbider Frankel's form is solid, If you had a detailed look through it just shows why hes rated 7lb clear of anything in the world. An absolute machine...
It's been an amazing experience watching Frankel race at mile in 2011, and we're still gonna get to see him one more time in 2011 in the Q.E. II Stakes at Ascot. That said, I can't wait for his 4yr.old season to get here. To see if Henry Cecil will finally stretch him out further than a mile? Even if Frankel's dam side was nothing but pure speed and no stamina? With Galileo on the sire side, you'd still have to think that Frankel would be able to stay 10f at a minimum? JMO.
@ASupremeOwl, totally agree, 110%!! I think Frankel can get 10f standing on his head!! I don't know if Henry Cecil will ever give him a try at 12f or not? But I suspect he'd get that trip, too. But he may end up being a lot like a Giant's Causeway in the sense that he could dominate the 10f G1 races without ever running in any of the 12f G1 races? I.E., Prince of Wales, Juddmonte International, Coral-Eclipse, Irish Champion, etc....JMO.
@ASupremeOwl, totally agree, 110%!! I think Frankel can get 10f standing on his head!! I don't know if Henry Cecil will ever give him a try at 12f or not? But I suspect he'd get that trip, too. But he may end up being a lot like a Giant's Causeway in the sense that he could dominate the 10f G1 races without ever running in any of the 12f G1 races? I.E., Prince of Wales, Juddmonte International, Coral-Eclipse, Irish Champion, etc....JMO.
aha i do belive karl holland is non other than "the poacher" the infamous CC supporter and awful speller, no doubt he will be muttering excuses for CC all the way till ascot and Frankel hammers him again
What a stride this horse has, and his action is effortless. In fact I'm sure 3f out the other horses were taking 3 strides to Frankels 2.
Mr Hannon should have been a little more gracious in defeat also! As difficult as it must be for him to see the apple of his eye trounced in the manner he was, I would have more respect for him if he'd simply admitted defeat by a great horse rather than blame the track! He won the bloody race last year!!!
@shaffi1 you dont no canford cliff like richard hannon he and all canford clffs fans no something wasnt quiet right,i give frankel credit were its due but as they say lightning never strikes twice and i am sure they will get to the bottom of this and in the QE2 or whenever they race each other again then you will see a differant canford cliffs ,frankel will only recieve 3lb but i dont think it was the weight that beat him it is something else.
@KarlHolland09 You clearly know nothing of racing. 8lb for a horse that is a year older shouldn't make much difference in this case it did because horses like Frankel don't come around very often. Canford Cliffs is rightly one of the greatest milers of the modern era so it wasn't straight cut in choosing Frankel as the winner of the Sussex Stakes. But I've always thought since I first saw Frankel demolish a field like he did in the Royal Lodge that he was special and he proved that...
@KarlHolland09 After all the flak people gave Frankel after his St James Palace WIN, Mainly the Aussies it was nice Frankel proved he is the superstar everyone thought he was...
@ASupremeOwl i do agree but the dissapointment was canford cliffs not running a proper race you will sea a differant canford cliffs in the QE2 and all canford cliffs fans want is to see a proper race were everything is in boath horses favour this race is on hold,but no canford cliffs fans is taking nothing away frome frankel its nice to have these two great horses running in england,
@ThefightingCelt Sir Henry Cecil said Frankel was the best he had seen in 40yrs along with Blushing Groom and Shergar. He's a amazing horse but SYT is a totally different horse to Canford Cliffs. Go SYT!
@john131349 ... So You Think ! ... and he'll stuff that ex Aussie upstart too. Sir Henry Cecil said after the race that Frankel is the best racehorse he has ever seen, and Khalid Abdullah ( owner of Frankel ) said that he rates Frankel above Dancing Brave, whom he also owned.
Watch Zoffany in this race! He's out the back door for most of it yet he comes closest at the finish, if similar tactics were deployed with Frankel my guess is he'd have won a shade cleverly!
I can only imagine how Messers P. Eddery & Piggot would have ridden this fellow!
Absolutely no need whatsoever to make so much use of him early on !
Conserve his energy for that finishing kick at the end, watch the difference !
Frankel could be held up till the last furlong and that acceleration would beat any horse around. Contrary to what some thought against Zoffany, I believe the horse was actually going again at the finish. This view has been knocked by some, yet also agreed upon by many jockeys. Even Henry Cecil said he was dossing! Who can argue with that? Now after maintaining that burst of speed for 4.5 furlongs, and STILL be going at the end , well I think this horse is a freak. Tuesday will be special.
@damredub I agree about the finish, but 3-1f out zoff was going a comparable speed, then the toll took on Frank, hey i'm all for Frankel, and i'll be there
Poacher. Apologies for any offence I caused you. I am just very passionate , as I can see all who post on here are about horse racing, and of course the superstars. The reason I believe Frankel will beat CC is simple. He is simply the best I have ever seen. Take Queally off and he would be even better in my opinion. People will say that he is unbeaten , and Queally has been the pilot. The horse would not have broken sweat under the likes of Frankie Dettori. I may need to post again to continue.
I have definite reservations about the choice of jockey for Frankel and I am a great admirer of Canford Cliffs BUT I have a gut feeling that we are going to see something special from Frankel on Wed in the Sussex. I think Queally will be asked to take it up 3f out and he'll win 6l going away. Against CC that'll be a huge performance, but he's that good.
Not sure how superior his race winning turn of foot is, compared, as its been used ' like here ' in the middle of a race, Zoffany , Nebraas, etc, were on the bridle when he went on, if posis were reversed they too could have made that length extending move after just 4f, the distance between Frank and Zoffany stayed the same from the 4f then zoff diminished it, takin nothing away, just an observation
U know what I dont think hes that good, BLACK CAVIAR she will show him, & the rest, that it a walk in the park, now if im wrong I will come on here & eat my words. But we will c how he goes on WED. Plus hes younger by approx 1 or 2yrs depends, its different, plus his Bloodline is a fraction better than BC. But I will always stand by BC.
Can anybody give a justified reason for Tom Queally's absurd ride in this race. The general concensus was that Frankel had disappointed, but I dont think any mile horse of any era should be expected to be running at full throttle for near on 5 furlongs. If I were Sir Henry I would have somebody who is less impetuous to get the job done and significantly ruining one of the true superstars of the sport. Just to add for me greatest horse of all time for me is Sea the Stars!!!!
@benjohnson1985 There's no justification for it, it was a shocking ride. To think that a horse like Frankel nearly lost his unbeaten record in a race like that shows how terrible the ride was. Personally I wouldn't let Queally back on the horse, I'd opt for a much cooler customer. How anyone connected with Frankel can think that this was the way to run this race is beyond me. Frankel got Queally out of jail, big time.
Poacher! I know enough about racing. I welcome anyone having their own idea as to what will happen, and those in the Canford Cliffs camp are, I am sure, convinced of the horses ability. What I won't accept however, is someone who has a problem with even basic literacy, telling me, that I know nothing about racing. I have been involved in horse racing for fifty years, and I would pit my knowledge against yours any day, anywhere and at all times! Learn first how to spell and use punctuation!
Special horses with charisma don't come around too often, to have Frankel, Canford Cliffs, Goldicova, So you Think, Sea The Stars, all at once respectively is epic, a long wait since Dancing Brave the last legend imo, make the most
i love Frankel ...but Canford Cliffs will win .. there's no doubt about it older more wiser horse lost once at mile AND Coolmore don't invest in a horse they could match!! ifcool more cant get cc beat no one can!!
@follyhoog Canford Cliffs is going to be giving Frankel 8lb's allowance aswell as racing on Good to Soft ground against one of the best 3 year old colts we have seen around for years. How can one be so confident in Canford Cliffs? IMO Frankel will hose up if given the right ride. Hes definently the best horse in the race. You don't win a Guineas like he did regardless of the opposition if your not something out the ordinary...
@ASupremeOwl i understand what your saying but coolmoore must think a lot of this horse to put there money down its really unheard of . Nathaniel has just confirmed what a horse frankel is but his taking on a older horses now
who's beat a look of good horses .. CC beat Rip Van Winkle who got beat by sea the stars by 1l that the view im taking
i could be wrong BUT i no for a FACT its going to be a CLASSIC let the best horse win..
@ASupremeOwl It was the Coranation Cup not Coronation Stakes in which SNA defeated Midday. SNA is a very classy horse in his own right but he's not in So You Thinks league. And SYT would of won the eclipse by 4 or 5 lengths had he been asked to go a furlong earlier.
@ASupremeOwl Whatever clown. You spend more time on YouTube than i do. Haha St Nicolas Abbey better than SYT your a funny guy man.Even Await the Dawn has more natural talent than SNA. Tell me whats SNA really done to show you he's better than the champ? Other than defeat Midday in the Coranation Stakes. Damn man you fight with alot of people on You Tube aye.
@SoulSurvivor79 SYT won't win a Group One in Europe over 12 Furlongs. End of story. Therefore if SNA wins the King George which I am confident He will do then IMO he's the best horse at Ballydoyle at the moment. I really do not see what SYT as done this year that sets him apart as the best middle distance runner in Europe. WF would beat him if the race had been further at Sandown and he only won by an half length. If SNA wins on Saturday for Me he is the best in Europe. End of story...
@SoulSurvivor79 Im entitled to my opinion just like yourself. I've been watching racing since the days of Dancing Brave and SYT still as to prove himself over 10 furlongs to be considered the Champ. Twice Over won the Coral Eclipse 2 years ago that race means nothing. KG, Arc are the primary races in Europe just like the Melbourne Cup is down under. SYT isn't entered for the KG and he won't win the Arc...
At the end of the day, Canford Cliffs is beatable even his own stablemate Dick Turpin as proved that. If Frankel is given a more patient ride Canford Cliffs will have his work cut out trying to hack down Frankels GINORMOUS stride. Frankel to win the Sussex...
Fascinating to see how CC deals with Frankel when he turns his burners on 2 1/2 furlongs out with a full tank after a patient ride, trying to lay up to him will then will be titanic, what a clash,
remember gberet after his guineas win you said youd never doubt this horse again and now here we are your doubting him again.hes not gonna win every race in amazing fashion and i think that he has set the bar way too high for now when he wins by a length after such a horrible ride that people are saying he isnt that good.
Frankel has certainly proven that he's head and shoulders above the all of the 3yr.old's he's faced so far. But Canford Cliffs isn't an inferior 3yr.old. I think this race exposed that there is a chink in Frankel's armor if he's not ridden to specification's? Queally just has absolutely no margin for error on Frankel when he goes to Goodwood, and even ridden to his best, I'm just not sure that Frankel will be able to withstand the speed that Canford Cliffs will throw at him in the Sussex Stakes.
@GBeret83 we wont know if the 3 year olds are inferior untill they meet the older horses, the bare facts are in the guineas Frankel ran just over 11 seconds a furlong for the 1st half of the race, at that pace how far back would CC be? CC has a decent turn of speed in the last 2 furlongs but Frankel can quicken for 4 furlongs, its all down to when Tom Quealy pushes the button
@GBeret83 let me ask you this do you think if cc was ridden the same way as frankel in this race would he have won?i tend to look at it as this was a horrible ride and he still won that too me is amazing because how many times do we see a horse lose and we say it was the jockeys.there is no horse in racing with the turn of foot as frankel and trust me if him and cc are let loose with 2 furlongs to go and are on equal ground frankel will run him into the ground.it is time for a jockey change
@tjjlm444 I'm 100% with you, tjjlm. I have no idea what Queally is doing with this horse. To get off twice now & say "we're best off just letting him gallop" is brainless. A horse, no matter how good, cannot run flat out for one mile, FACT. Lactic acid will set in after 6f and the horse will stall. Therefore every horse has to be paced through a race to find its most efficient run. No matter how good Frankel is when he just blasts at it, he would be better if he was well paced. Get a grip Henry!
Whatever happens in the Sussex Stks. It's great for racing to bring Champions head to head. I hope Frankel wins the 'duel on the downs' but he will have to be bloody sharp to beat CC.
For Frankel, this is where the boy must turn in to a man, because he will be a great horse if he wins the Sussex, but let's wait and see!
Nothing wrong with opinions,banter, but swearing all over, a poor way to appreciate this ATR upload, we're talking about horseracing and legends like H cecil etc, carry on and get it disabled for everyone, geniuses
@ASupremeOwl Where you at fool? You still laughing at the champ? Or have you gone into hiding? What was that about Workforce destroying SYT? Would of loved to of seen the look on your smug mug just after the finish of the eclipse! Haha whos the fucken hack now!
@SoulSurvivor79 Wow have you nothing better to do but glue yourself to Youtube? SYT beat WF by half a length, Wow! If they raced a mile and half I would be confident that WF would reverse form. Hes not that special really, He beat a good Mile and half horse by 1/2L over 10F. SYT isn't even the best horse at Ballydoyle IMO. That goes to St Nicholas Abbey...
Frankel certainly didn't look as dominant in this race as he has in most of his other starts, but I'd still imagine that Aidan O'Brien really has to be happy with what he saw out of Zoffany in this race. Makes wonder why O'Brien didn't run him in this year's English or Irish 2000 Guineas? Because the horse clearly stays a mile well. Zoffany probably wouldn't be able to get to this close to Frankel again? But he still had some very good horses in wake in this race. Most notably, Excelebration.
I don't agree that Queally should be dropped of the horse as he probably thought he was on a horse that could stay as well as quicken and run like a bullet. Don't go comparing Sea The Stars to Frankel because STS was best over 1m2f-1m4f whereas Frankel's a miler through and through. Over 1m Frank would win, over further well we know the answer to that. Personally I almost don't want Frank and CC to meet as I want them to be unbeaten. I think the best racehorse in the world will win the Eclispe.
Though in my mind that win did NOTHING to ruin Frankel's reputation as he still won and is still UNBEATEN! Sorry but by this stage the last 2 Derby winners couldn't boast that. Frankel is still the best 3yr old in the world - I think this year has seen a poor Derby and there's not a worldly 3yr old that could beet him over a mile. I do think Queally misjudged the race going that early but the connections are still testing with him. They wanted to see his staying ablilty.
Over a mile, maybe Frankel would've been able to run with Sea The Stars? Maybe? But at 10 to 12f, forget it. No way that Frankel could beat Sea The Stars. Sea The Stars took the step up from a mile to 1-1/2 immediately, and took it in stride with no problems. If Frankel is really the beat that most believe he is? Why hasn't Cecil raced him beyond a mile yet? Even if Cecil didn't believe he'd stay the 12f at Epsom? Being by Galileo, Frankel should be able to get 10f standing on his head. TJMO.
Frankel is a brilliant horse but these tactics are horrendous. Frankel was effectively asked to hit top gear 5f out when Queally sent him out to catch and pass the pacemaker (which he did about 4f out.) Why? This left him on his own, having to finish off a 5f run for home with the pack bearing down on him. It is only the brilliance of the horse that got him home. Had he been settled in and unleashed with 2f to go he would have scooted in and we would be saying "worldbeater." Sort it out Henry!
@ASupremeOwl You sound like a sad cunt. The only clown thats commenting is you. Tryhard racing expert. Did you get bashed by a aussie? Is that why you keep posting angry comments when someone brings up syt and blackcaviar?
@SoulSurvivor79 Angry comments? If you read what I last put about Black Caviar you will discover it was fact you dumb reprobate. Black Caviar as never raced over a mile and never will since she is pure speed she wouldn't see 8 furlongs out so was clearly stating that Frankel would annihilate her over 8 furlongs. Fact not fiction. And as for So You Think he was cut down by a sub-standard Godolphin type so what chance as he got against Workforce, Pour Moi, Reliable Man, Even St Nicholas Abbey?
@SoulSurvivor79 who I believe is the best middle distance runner currently in Aidan O'Brien's stable. I mean Await The Dawn won the Hardwicke on the worst ground possible at Ascot, Better ground and he would certainly give So You Think a run I would say... As for being bashed by an Aussie, I couldn't really care less about our criminal immigrants down under. We've got the Ashes and we rule the world of Horse-racing. That'll do for Me muppet :)
'' Inside the two and Frankel edges to the front, Queally still with a right rein... But heres Canford Cliffs challenging on the outside they neck and neck. Queally says go and My god Frankel as hit hyperdrive and as literally took off. Different class, Brilliant. Frankel wins the Sussex Stakes in the style of an absolute champion '' Just a taster before Goodwood...
@thepoacher2010 Let me put it this way. After the St James Palace Stakes, Tom Queally was struggling to pull Frankel up he had abit still left in the tank. He kept on and won, Look at his Royal Lodge performance he bolted to the line after being held up and put into contention at the right time. There isn't a horse in Europe with the turn of foot like Frankel not even Canford Cliffs. I am fairly confident Frankel will never be ridden like he was in the St James of the Guineas espcially against..
@thepoacher2010 Are you taking the piss with your spelling or is that just natural? My god! Anyway I suggest you go to the bbc website and rewatch this race. Frankel was continuing to run on around the bend and even in the parade ring after the race he didn't look like He'd had a race. From your thinking your suggesting Frankel didn't stay out the mile properly? So why would Henry Cecil consider the Juddmonte if that was the case? Nobody as given Frankel a proper race yet...
@thepoacher2010 I know nothing about racing? What because You don't agree with you. Shut up you clown. Im not the only one, Henry Cecil knows the horse better than anyone and he knows a fair bit more than Me and You and when he clearly states the horse gets lazy in front then I believe him. Hes never been one to give outlandish or untrue comments during an interview. Even Willie Carson said this horse needs to be held up alot more as he idles...
@thepoacher2010 Think you need to go back to shcool and learn how to spell you fruitcake. 39 year old and still spelling beat as beet... My god! I've probably been watching racing longer than you've had hairs on your bollocks and when I see a top class horse I'll say. Frankel will prove superior of Canford Cliffs and thats my opinion like it or not you degenerate! Get back to shooting mice and rabbits you dirty reprobate...
@thepoacher2010 Some horses get lazy in front, Its like a marathon runner if there out on there own for so long in a race there concentration can go and its no different for horses. I am more than confident that if Frankel is produced late there isn't a miler about who can go with him after his turn of foot...
@thepoacher2010 If they switch Frankel off in the Sussex and hes still on a tight rein 2 furlongs out you will lose your money if you back Canford Cliffs. Canford Cliffs as a high crusing speed but it takes him a furlong to get motoring and Frankel will have already stretched 4 or 5 clear by that point... I really hope they meet!
@thepoacher2010 Frankel goes from cruising to hyperdrive in a few strides, Hes a one of a kind in Europe theres not a horse yet who can kill a horse like he can. Just watch his Royal Lodge performance aswell as he took the bend in the St James Palace. If Canford Cliffs had been ridden how Frankel was in this race he would have lost. But Frankel is that good he held on, Both CC and Frankel need to be produced late IMO and what a race to look relish. Thats if CC doesn't bottle it for the Eclipse..
@thepoacher2010 the older generation. Switch him off and let him explode in the last two furlongs. Canford Cliffs would be a sitting duck. Remember Canford Cliffs isn't unbeatable... Dick Turpin as found the better of him twice on there 4 meetings. And for the record Canford Cliffs as never in a million years been 2/1 for the Sussex Stakes, Hes been a short price 11/8 favourite since his Lockinge demolition job. I'd give you 3/1 that Frankel disposes of him though. Im that confident in Frankel
Frankel as never been eyeballed by an horse, The closest anyone as got to him was in his maiden run. I am sure if he was given a proper race he would find more. Did you see Tom Queally try and pull him up at the end of the race? He couldn't, Whilst everyone had stopped Frankel kept going once he found company. His turn of foot and speed is far greater than Canford Cliffs and I really hope they meet so Frankel can prove he really is best horse in the world...
@GBNLE Black Caviar wouldn't get within 25L over a mile with Frankel so what the hell are you going on about you clown? Black Caviar is a two bit sprinter who I hope comes to Ascot and is shown to be yet another overhyped Aussie superstar just like the one we had this year...
The Sussex Stakes could be more about Queally v's Hughes than Frankel v's Canford Cliffs. Hughsie knows exactly how to ride CC to track and pounce late. Queally last 2 rides on Frankel have been questionable, releasing him so early.
I know where my money is going, in fact I already have £200 on CC @ 6/4 should they meet this year.
@Bax7a I'll give you 3/1 Canford Cliffs. Frankel will stalk and pounce late. Not even Canford Cliffs as a turn of foot like Frankel. How you can right Frankel off is ridiculous? Because he didnt win by 25L hes now a subrate animal. Idiot...
@ASupremeOwl I never wrote Frakel off, I have him as the best 3 year old miler and probably the 3rd best miler in the world behind Black Caviar & Canford Cliffs. Racing is all about opinions and mine may well be wrong.
@thepoacher2010 Whats interesting is Canford Cliffs is ridden how Frankel should be and that will be duly noted in the Frankel camp. I reckon the will sit off the pace even if Canford Cliffs is sat in behind and then unleash Frankel with 2f remaining. It will take some horse to get past him and Canford Cliffs is probably the only horse capable of giving him a race at the minute. But in all My time of watching horse racing I haven't seen a miler like Frankel... Ever!
So it means if the Freak wins (and he will :-), he can be considered as the best horse over 1m in the world. And I know where my money's goinf, I in fact I already have 2000 € on Frankel should they meet this year. :-D
i'm surprised nobody has mentioned frankel's condition.Going down to the start and in the parade ring it looked to me as if he had been trained"too hard".I'm not trying to 2nd guess henry cecil but his ribs were extremely prominant,moreso than in any of his previous races.I beieve the horse could do with a rest
@havannah00 yes i notised it as well but to be honest he looked magnificent i have never seen so much mustle on the bottom of a horses neck like that before a truly magnificent animal,
@havannah00 , i to was in the parade ring , great day, all i can say is how relaxed he was the entire time, which may have been a deciding factor, as far as consuming energy, as i thought the worst 1f out,
I hope they don't use these tactics again with Frankel, it's a surefire way of getting him beaten, especially against something like canford cliffs.
Frankel can come from behind and late e showed that in the royal lodge, and it ensures that his finishing run lasts to the line, instead of running out of gas late on and clinging on.
Switch him off and bring him late and he'll beat canford cliffs!
@shaffi1 the owner has sponsored the york race for years without ever winning it, hes gotta be thinking of running Frankel in it, i cant think of another racehorse whos been asked to quicken for 4 furlongs, Queally has got to hold on for longer then use his speed from the 3 pole
@John131349 For one thing bart would of had syt in tip top condition in the pow. Obriens a good trainer but hes got along way to get to barts level. Being a honest guy he would probably agree if asked the question
@SoulSurvivor79 its not the European style to have a horse who you are aiming at the arc in october to be at his peak in june, because of the fact that they are trying to sell SYT as a future stallion to European breeders they want him to run in all the group 1s from 10 - 12 furlongs, if hes trained hard now he will be exausted before october
@ASupremeOwl Haha Snowfairy wonderful filly but globetrotting? She won 1 race in japan then the hongkong cup. And your clearly dillusional if you think frankel could live with Bc over 5 or 6 furlongs. I will admit frankel has alot of class.But he wouldnt defeat Bc at 5 to 6 or even 7. I think he would have a shot at 8.
all the aussie jokers slagging off A Obrien i reckon theres been more prize money won worldwide from the yard where he trains than from the one Bart trains in
Come on boys face it Syts not overrated. I think deep down you know he will deliver the goods. You just dont wont to admit that a horse from downunder has the talent to cleanup your big g1s. Come on now fellas its okay you will learn to appreciate the mighty SYT. Just give it time.
This horse reminds me alot of dubai millenium. Even though hes by galileo i think he will get found out bigtime over 10 furlongs. The same way dubai millenium was over a mile and a half.
@fowlergod09 just like you said plantuer would. Where did you get the seven lengths from it looked more like 4 to me. But talk it up if it makes you feel better haha.
why go so hard so early and burn him out. wasnt far off getting swamped on the line?
mixedone12345 2 weeks ago
horses just can't go with her! Starspangledbanner, wouldn't get a whiff of her rear end! And that's no overstatement. Yeah I know, your lesser performed stayers win G1's in Australia, I don't doubt that, that's our whole breeding scene up shit creek, Emphasis is on speed and winning Golden Slippers to make stallions, all I'm saying is she would beat/eat Frankel, but she'll never get the chance!
kellgee35 1 month ago
7f-8f? Shite, she'd even run 1m and 2. When's he's plodding his last furlong in 15, Luke Nolen will be getting his mug ready for the photo! He can make her chase as much as he wants, he won't break her, she's had G1 Aus Sprinters off the bit at the 800m, most of which would make a mockery of your plodders over there. Yeah you have great 4000m horses like Yeats and Alandy and Septimus and you're European bred horses dominate our staying races, but she will take all before her,
kellgee35 1 month ago
Sad thing is, BC will go and destroy those cart horses in a Jubilee or a July Cup, which is a money-in-the-bank Newmarket Hcp (with probably 9-6 or 60kg) in her own backyard, but enjoyable enough to watch. Hopefully Mood's heads to Dubai on the way and annihilates them first, then decide to bypass those piss weak sprints at Royal Ascot and head to the US which would be great for racing! And Frankel? She'd beat Frankel that is that, I'd like to see him try and get her off the bit!!
kellgee35 1 month ago
Does any one else think that Frankel could improve 10lbs and draw level with Sea Bird?
MrNativeDancer 1 month ago
@MrNativeDancer Sea Bird (1965 ) ran before the international classifications were introduced ( 1977 ). However, Timeform already rate Frankel at 143 - two pounds behind Sea Bird ( 145 ). Even so, Frankel, as yet, has not won beyond a mile. Sea Bird is arguably the greatest 12 furlong turf horse ever, and even if Frankel does surpass the great French colt's 145 figure, few will consider him better at that distance.
ThefightingCelt 1 week ago
frankel is a superstar and deserves every good word said about him and same goes with black caviar.
shae461 3 months ago
canny be serious fuk off black caviar is the best in tthe fukn world, it beats hay lisy by 5 lengths and thats better than any of you english shit anyway
keatsy221 4 months ago
frankel might require a pacemaker to keep up with black caviar from australia ;saying that they'll never the twain shall meet ,as black caviar will be aimed at the sprint riche's on offer in the uk . If you thought takeover target was a gun ,this mare would eat t/target for breakfast. This mare stand's at almost 17 hand's ,weighing 570 kgs racefit ,with a turn of foot never seen from a sprinter in australia
seanellismaney 4 months ago
he is a really good horsei can see but i think black cavar would win him he barley one by a horses lenth black cavier seems to always wwin by at least 5
puppy13337 4 months ago
@puppy13337 Don't judge Frankel by just this race, his rider, T. Queally, made a bad mistake and sent him with 3+ furlongs left. Watch his Sussex where he destroys Canford Cliffs, and QEII where he dismantles Excelebration again and Immortal Verse. Another note, you'll see the three horses who beat Goldikova this year, Dream Ahead, Immortal Verse, and Canford Cliffs were all vanquished, decisively, by Frankel.
d9y8l7a6n5 3 months ago
Guys, I'm not English, but you are not doing Frankel justice. He is a champion - this race is not typical of his natural ability.
Alexducheval23 4 months ago
Frankel! come over and take on Black Caviar you chicken shit!
lewie001 4 months ago
@lewie001 '' Frankel come over and take on Black Caviar you chicken shit '' Your not that intelligient are you? Why would the Frankel connections trape all the way over the other side of the world to beat a poxy sprinter? Next year he will prove himself one of the greatest of all time and winning Gr1s at 10furlongs. Black Caviar will stick to 6 furlongs and beat Haylist and a few other donkeys in fields of no more than 5. Black Caviar one of the most overrated Aussie horses of all time. Even...
ASupremeOwl 4 months ago
@ASupremeOwl Owl, your are a rationgs man. Have a look at RacingPosts ratings, which ara much more accurate relection of the state of international racing. Frankel quite properly tops the list of milers. Pleasing to see Ambitious Dragon among the leaders. As for the sprinters, you will find the four on its list are Australian horses - the donkeys Black Caviar beats pointlessly. Of course, Timeform couldn't help putting Deacon Blues above Hay List, which is must be some kind of prank!
SvendBosanvovski 3 months ago
@SvendBosanvovski Frankels official BHA Rating is 135. I just dont get the figures Timeform come up with LOL They on another planet hehehe The Official Rating is the more scientifically accurate ratings based on what they have beat and what the beaten have achieved etc I think the Official rating of 135 is about right, I had him on 136 so there you go hehe
MrNativeDancer 1 month ago
@MrNativeDancer We'd all have to concede that he is the best miler in the World today, taking a line through the Brit/Euros that raced in Japan and Hong Kong. His breeding also suggest that he will handle 10f without any trouble. There remains a nagging doubt about his capacity to handle the kind of sustained speed we saw in the Champion Stakes or the Arc. His wins at Goodwood and Ascot, although visually impressive, were a little hollow. In the QE2, they ran ...
SvendBosanvovski 1 month ago
@MrNativeDancer ...the first furlong in slower than even time and the last in just under 12.5 secs, which means that it was ostensibly a solid 6f sprint. At Goodwood, which is downhill from the 4f, he ran considerably slower than last years editions. Slow times characterise all of Frankel's wins. Now I know the arguments about his guineas win - the wind, etc - but he beat nothing in that filed. Not one of the vanquished went on to leave a mark. And Frankel's biggest tests..
SvendBosanvovski 1 month ago
@MrNativeDancer ...have been over the one distance and against his own age, part from the Sussex Stakes. Like everyone else, I want to see him thoroughly tested against the A-league ths year. I don't regard his perfromances as having been superior to Black Caviar. I would have them equal on around 132 to 135, as they were until the Sussex. Neither it or the QE2 merit a higher mark.
SvendBosanvovski 1 month ago
@lewie001 more so than So You Think who was found out good and proper in the Europe. Who as Black Caviar ever beat? Shes never faced Sepoy, Rocket Man, JJ The Jet Plane. Black Caviar - Yawn...
ASupremeOwl 4 months ago
secretariat would murder this rubbish without a pacemaker
jjbdad 4 months ago
Please look at Sussex stakes tard.
drofheim 4 months ago
Bahahaha and he almost lost despite doing it!!!
Bit embarrassing - try racing on your own Frankel... dont rely on your stable. All his wins should be Frankel / Pacesetter on the cups...
CannyBeSerious 4 months ago
@CannyBeSerious Black Caviar is 7lb inferior to Frankel. That is the official ratings. Shes a sprinter 6 furlongs is he minimum. If she raced Frankel over 7f or 8f he would have her off the Bridle before the last furlong. Hes a machine. One of the greatest of all time. Black Caviar just another Zenyatta. Jog on you boring deluded Aussie cunts...
ASupremeOwl 4 months ago
@ASupremeOwl Black Caviar just another Zenyatta?? So basically you're saying that she's also one of the all-time greats?? Because I mean Frankel, Zenyatta, and Black Caviar are all amongst the all-time greats, both on their respective continents, and, well, ever. Zen's wonderful career is over, Frankel will prove his mettle at longer distances which I look forward to, and Caviar, well she won't be tested until they come to Europe for Ascot - Golden Jubilee, and the July Cup. All 3 are great.
d9y8l7a6n5 3 months ago
@CannyBeSerious Frankel had a pacemaker in the Guineas but didnt need him. He won the Sussex without a pacemaker. Goldikova one of the greatest mares of all time as used pacemakers throughout her career. Get back to watching Black Caviar beat the same old shit and ducking the proper competetion to keep her meaningless record in tact. Shes not on the same wavelength as a proper champion in Frankel...
ASupremeOwl 4 months ago
OOOOH OOOH.....
Looky here - another Frankel race, another pace setter for the stable making sure he sets the race up. I'm sorry this horse isn't talented... race somewhere where the racing is REAL where you cant cheat.
CannyBeSerious 4 months ago
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@CannyBeSerious Not talented??? What planet are you on????
nuttymanyelismate 4 months ago
farrtttt
LECReplays2 4 months ago
Zoffany just ran last in the Shadwell Turf Mile in America against there hopeless turf horses
LMAO FRANKEL FORM
debbider 4 months ago
@debbider zoffany hasn't been fit in a long time and the change in climate cleary didn't change that. When was the last time the yanks had a horse on Frankel's level? Last few years top horses have been Frankel 2011, Workforce 2010, Sea The Stars 2009, Zarkava 2008 ect...
CharlesOlney23 4 months ago
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HadleyReisMC 4 months ago
@debbider and Cape Blanco, a decent horse but no superstar, has been hoovering up US Group 1s at odds against...whether that show us anything about the relative merits of US and EUR form is debatable as is your point about Zoffany. It would be interesting if we had a "world championship" held in alternate years on each side of the ocean. We don't so comparison is irrelevant.
tigerarmyrule 4 months ago
@debbider Frankel's form is solid, If you had a detailed look through it just shows why hes rated 7lb clear of anything in the world. An absolute machine...
ASupremeOwl 4 months ago
It's been an amazing experience watching Frankel race at mile in 2011, and we're still gonna get to see him one more time in 2011 in the Q.E. II Stakes at Ascot. That said, I can't wait for his 4yr.old season to get here. To see if Henry Cecil will finally stretch him out further than a mile? Even if Frankel's dam side was nothing but pure speed and no stamina? With Galileo on the sire side, you'd still have to think that Frankel would be able to stay 10f at a minimum? JMO.
GBeret83 6 months ago
@GBeret83 I think he'd get 10F's easily, In the Sussex he barely broke sweat. It took TQ nearly a 1/4 of a mile just to pull him up...
ASupremeOwl 5 months ago
@ASupremeOwl, totally agree, 110%!! I think Frankel can get 10f standing on his head!! I don't know if Henry Cecil will ever give him a try at 12f or not? But I suspect he'd get that trip, too. But he may end up being a lot like a Giant's Causeway in the sense that he could dominate the 10f G1 races without ever running in any of the 12f G1 races? I.E., Prince of Wales, Juddmonte International, Coral-Eclipse, Irish Champion, etc....JMO.
GBeret83 5 months ago
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@ASupremeOwl, totally agree, 110%!! I think Frankel can get 10f standing on his head!! I don't know if Henry Cecil will ever give him a try at 12f or not? But I suspect he'd get that trip, too. But he may end up being a lot like a Giant's Causeway in the sense that he could dominate the 10f G1 races without ever running in any of the 12f G1 races? I.E., Prince of Wales, Juddmonte International, Coral-Eclipse, Irish Champion, etc....JMO.
GBeret83 5 months ago
@john131439 Do you have to be a asswipe? By pointing out poacher being dyslexic. I'm sure you have your own shortcomings mate.
SoulSurvivor79 7 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 hes not dyslexic hes just a tit
john131349 7 months ago
aha i do belive karl holland is non other than "the poacher" the infamous CC supporter and awful speller, no doubt he will be muttering excuses for CC all the way till ascot and Frankel hammers him again
john131349 7 months ago
@karlholland
The simple fact is CC has never had to follow a horse like Frankel.
J Francome admitted, Frankel has a stride and a gallop that just kills horses!
He cruises where other horses are stretching! CC was flat to the boards (which is why he hung left) and couldn't get close enough land a blow.
Frankel did it the hard way, from the front and at Ascot, CC may get closer, but I doubt very much it will alter the result !
shaffi1 7 months ago
Simply breathtaking !
What a stride this horse has, and his action is effortless. In fact I'm sure 3f out the other horses were taking 3 strides to Frankels 2.
Mr Hannon should have been a little more gracious in defeat also! As difficult as it must be for him to see the apple of his eye trounced in the manner he was, I would have more respect for him if he'd simply admitted defeat by a great horse rather than blame the track! He won the bloody race last year!!!
Regardless, well done Sir He
shaffi1 7 months ago
@shaffi1 you dont no canford cliff like richard hannon he and all canford clffs fans no something wasnt quiet right,i give frankel credit were its due but as they say lightning never strikes twice and i am sure they will get to the bottom of this and in the QE2 or whenever they race each other again then you will see a differant canford cliffs ,frankel will only recieve 3lb but i dont think it was the weight that beat him it is something else.
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
As I predicted the imperious Frankel hosed up at Goodwood. Without a doubt the best miler since the Brigadier. A genuine equine superstar...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
@ASupremeOwl what do you want a star for tipping a 4/6 shot anyone could have picked that boring.
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 You clearly know nothing of racing. 8lb for a horse that is a year older shouldn't make much difference in this case it did because horses like Frankel don't come around very often. Canford Cliffs is rightly one of the greatest milers of the modern era so it wasn't straight cut in choosing Frankel as the winner of the Sussex Stakes. But I've always thought since I first saw Frankel demolish a field like he did in the Royal Lodge that he was special and he proved that...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 After all the flak people gave Frankel after his St James Palace WIN, Mainly the Aussies it was nice Frankel proved he is the superstar everyone thought he was...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
@ASupremeOwl i do agree but the dissapointment was canford cliffs not running a proper race you will sea a differant canford cliffs in the QE2 and all canford cliffs fans want is to see a proper race were everything is in boath horses favour this race is on hold,but no canford cliffs fans is taking nothing away frome frankel its nice to have these two great horses running in england,
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
@KarlHolland09 you have an incredible talent for spelling.you my friend are the frankel of the spelling world.
tjjlm444 4 months ago
@ThefightingCelt Sir Henry Cecil said Frankel was the best he had seen in 40yrs along with Blushing Groom and Shergar. He's a amazing horse but SYT is a totally different horse to Canford Cliffs. Go SYT!
SoulSurvivor79 7 months ago
As expected, he demolished them. The best there has been without a doubt.
damredub 7 months ago
This horse is a machine! Trounced the field in the sussex stakes!
xWibbleywobbleyx 7 months ago
well hes stuffed canford, whos left for him to beat?
john131349 7 months ago
@john131349 ... So You Think ! ... and he'll stuff that ex Aussie upstart too. Sir Henry Cecil said after the race that Frankel is the best racehorse he has ever seen, and Khalid Abdullah ( owner of Frankel ) said that he rates Frankel above Dancing Brave, whom he also owned.
ThefightingCelt 7 months ago
@john131349 john if i was getting 8lb frome you i would beat you.
KarlHolland09 7 months ago
woooooooooooooooooooooooooow i was wrong thats horse is a star Jesus
follyhoog 7 months ago
Watch Zoffany in this race! He's out the back door for most of it yet he comes closest at the finish, if similar tactics were deployed with Frankel my guess is he'd have won a shade cleverly!
I can only imagine how Messers P. Eddery & Piggot would have ridden this fellow!
Absolutely no need whatsoever to make so much use of him early on !
Conserve his energy for that finishing kick at the end, watch the difference !
shaffi1 7 months ago
Frankel could be held up till the last furlong and that acceleration would beat any horse around. Contrary to what some thought against Zoffany, I believe the horse was actually going again at the finish. This view has been knocked by some, yet also agreed upon by many jockeys. Even Henry Cecil said he was dossing! Who can argue with that? Now after maintaining that burst of speed for 4.5 furlongs, and STILL be going at the end , well I think this horse is a freak. Tuesday will be special.
damredub 7 months ago
@damredub I agree about the finish, but 3-1f out zoff was going a comparable speed, then the toll took on Frank, hey i'm all for Frankel, and i'll be there
dubian99 7 months ago
Tactics/ride obviously didn't suit Frankel here, comparing those used in the Royal Lodge where he was held up and released at the turn.
I'm all for Frankel on wed but they must surely hold him up until the last furlong or so! At least that ensures he sees his effort to the line.
If he forces the pace, he'll simply be a pacemaker for CC.
CC is a serious racehorse and Frankel will have to be one of the "greats" to beat him
That's for sure!
Good luck Frankel and may the best horse win.
shaffi1 7 months ago
Poacher. Apologies for any offence I caused you. I am just very passionate , as I can see all who post on here are about horse racing, and of course the superstars. The reason I believe Frankel will beat CC is simple. He is simply the best I have ever seen. Take Queally off and he would be even better in my opinion. People will say that he is unbeaten , and Queally has been the pilot. The horse would not have broken sweat under the likes of Frankie Dettori. I may need to post again to continue.
damredub 7 months ago
I have definite reservations about the choice of jockey for Frankel and I am a great admirer of Canford Cliffs BUT I have a gut feeling that we are going to see something special from Frankel on Wed in the Sussex. I think Queally will be asked to take it up 3f out and he'll win 6l going away. Against CC that'll be a huge performance, but he's that good.
watchinginawe 7 months ago
Not sure how superior his race winning turn of foot is, compared, as its been used ' like here ' in the middle of a race, Zoffany , Nebraas, etc, were on the bridle when he went on, if posis were reversed they too could have made that length extending move after just 4f, the distance between Frank and Zoffany stayed the same from the 4f then zoff diminished it, takin nothing away, just an observation
dubian99 7 months ago
U know what I dont think hes that good, BLACK CAVIAR she will show him, & the rest, that it a walk in the park, now if im wrong I will come on here & eat my words. But we will c how he goes on WED. Plus hes younger by approx 1 or 2yrs depends, its different, plus his Bloodline is a fraction better than BC. But I will always stand by BC.
taykyl001 7 months ago
Can anybody give a justified reason for Tom Queally's absurd ride in this race. The general concensus was that Frankel had disappointed, but I dont think any mile horse of any era should be expected to be running at full throttle for near on 5 furlongs. If I were Sir Henry I would have somebody who is less impetuous to get the job done and significantly ruining one of the true superstars of the sport. Just to add for me greatest horse of all time for me is Sea the Stars!!!!
benjohnson1985 7 months ago
@benjohnson1985 There's no justification for it, it was a shocking ride. To think that a horse like Frankel nearly lost his unbeaten record in a race like that shows how terrible the ride was. Personally I wouldn't let Queally back on the horse, I'd opt for a much cooler customer. How anyone connected with Frankel can think that this was the way to run this race is beyond me. Frankel got Queally out of jail, big time.
watchinginawe 7 months ago
Poacher! I know enough about racing. I welcome anyone having their own idea as to what will happen, and those in the Canford Cliffs camp are, I am sure, convinced of the horses ability. What I won't accept however, is someone who has a problem with even basic literacy, telling me, that I know nothing about racing. I have been involved in horse racing for fifty years, and I would pit my knowledge against yours any day, anywhere and at all times! Learn first how to spell and use punctuation!
damredub 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@TheEnglandWC please buy the poacher a dictionary out of your winnings, Frankel will piss it
john131349 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
Special horses with charisma don't come around too often, to have Frankel, Canford Cliffs, Goldicova, So you Think, Sea The Stars, all at once respectively is epic, a long wait since Dancing Brave the last legend imo, make the most
dubian99 7 months ago
i love Frankel ...but Canford Cliffs will win .. there's no doubt about it older more wiser horse lost once at mile AND Coolmore don't invest in a horse they could match!! ifcool more cant get cc beat no one can!!
follyhoog 7 months ago
@follyhoog Canford Cliffs is going to be giving Frankel 8lb's allowance aswell as racing on Good to Soft ground against one of the best 3 year old colts we have seen around for years. How can one be so confident in Canford Cliffs? IMO Frankel will hose up if given the right ride. Hes definently the best horse in the race. You don't win a Guineas like he did regardless of the opposition if your not something out the ordinary...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
@ASupremeOwl i understand what your saying but coolmoore must think a lot of this horse to put there money down its really unheard of . Nathaniel has just confirmed what a horse frankel is but his taking on a older horses now
who's beat a look of good horses .. CC beat Rip Van Winkle who got beat by sea the stars by 1l that the view im taking
i could be wrong BUT i no for a FACT its going to be a CLASSIC let the best horse win..
follyhoog 7 months ago
Frankel will destroy them. Not a problem. How will CC beat him? It can't. lets all come back here after the Sussex!
damredub 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@ASupremeOwl It was the Coranation Cup not Coronation Stakes in which SNA defeated Midday. SNA is a very classy horse in his own right but he's not in So You Thinks league. And SYT would of won the eclipse by 4 or 5 lengths had he been asked to go a furlong earlier.
SoulSurvivor79 7 months ago
@ASupremeOwl Whatever clown. You spend more time on YouTube than i do. Haha St Nicolas Abbey better than SYT your a funny guy man.Even Await the Dawn has more natural talent than SNA. Tell me whats SNA really done to show you he's better than the champ? Other than defeat Midday in the Coranation Stakes. Damn man you fight with alot of people on You Tube aye.
SoulSurvivor79 7 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 SYT won't win a Group One in Europe over 12 Furlongs. End of story. Therefore if SNA wins the King George which I am confident He will do then IMO he's the best horse at Ballydoyle at the moment. I really do not see what SYT as done this year that sets him apart as the best middle distance runner in Europe. WF would beat him if the race had been further at Sandown and he only won by an half length. If SNA wins on Saturday for Me he is the best in Europe. End of story...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 Im entitled to my opinion just like yourself. I've been watching racing since the days of Dancing Brave and SYT still as to prove himself over 10 furlongs to be considered the Champ. Twice Over won the Coral Eclipse 2 years ago that race means nothing. KG, Arc are the primary races in Europe just like the Melbourne Cup is down under. SYT isn't entered for the KG and he won't win the Arc...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 Twice Over won the race last year I meant...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
At the end of the day, Canford Cliffs is beatable even his own stablemate Dick Turpin as proved that. If Frankel is given a more patient ride Canford Cliffs will have his work cut out trying to hack down Frankels GINORMOUS stride. Frankel to win the Sussex...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
Fascinating to see how CC deals with Frankel when he turns his burners on 2 1/2 furlongs out with a full tank after a patient ride, trying to lay up to him will then will be titanic, what a clash,
dubian99 7 months ago
remember gberet after his guineas win you said youd never doubt this horse again and now here we are your doubting him again.hes not gonna win every race in amazing fashion and i think that he has set the bar way too high for now when he wins by a length after such a horrible ride that people are saying he isnt that good.
tjjlm444 8 months ago
Frankel has certainly proven that he's head and shoulders above the all of the 3yr.old's he's faced so far. But Canford Cliffs isn't an inferior 3yr.old. I think this race exposed that there is a chink in Frankel's armor if he's not ridden to specification's? Queally just has absolutely no margin for error on Frankel when he goes to Goodwood, and even ridden to his best, I'm just not sure that Frankel will be able to withstand the speed that Canford Cliffs will throw at him in the Sussex Stakes.
GBeret83 8 months ago
@GBeret83 we wont know if the 3 year olds are inferior untill they meet the older horses, the bare facts are in the guineas Frankel ran just over 11 seconds a furlong for the 1st half of the race, at that pace how far back would CC be? CC has a decent turn of speed in the last 2 furlongs but Frankel can quicken for 4 furlongs, its all down to when Tom Quealy pushes the button
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 7 months ago
@GBeret83 let me ask you this do you think if cc was ridden the same way as frankel in this race would he have won?i tend to look at it as this was a horrible ride and he still won that too me is amazing because how many times do we see a horse lose and we say it was the jockeys.there is no horse in racing with the turn of foot as frankel and trust me if him and cc are let loose with 2 furlongs to go and are on equal ground frankel will run him into the ground.it is time for a jockey change
tjjlm444 8 months ago
@tjjlm444 I'm 100% with you, tjjlm. I have no idea what Queally is doing with this horse. To get off twice now & say "we're best off just letting him gallop" is brainless. A horse, no matter how good, cannot run flat out for one mile, FACT. Lactic acid will set in after 6f and the horse will stall. Therefore every horse has to be paced through a race to find its most efficient run. No matter how good Frankel is when he just blasts at it, he would be better if he was well paced. Get a grip Henry!
watchinginawe 7 months ago
Whatever happens in the Sussex Stks. It's great for racing to bring Champions head to head. I hope Frankel wins the 'duel on the downs' but he will have to be bloody sharp to beat CC.
For Frankel, this is where the boy must turn in to a man, because he will be a great horse if he wins the Sussex, but let's wait and see!
shaffi1 8 months ago
Nothing wrong with opinions,banter, but swearing all over, a poor way to appreciate this ATR upload, we're talking about horseracing and legends like H cecil etc, carry on and get it disabled for everyone, geniuses
dubian99 8 months ago
@ASupremeOwl Where you at fool? You still laughing at the champ? Or have you gone into hiding? What was that about Workforce destroying SYT? Would of loved to of seen the look on your smug mug just after the finish of the eclipse! Haha whos the fucken hack now!
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 Wow have you nothing better to do but glue yourself to Youtube? SYT beat WF by half a length, Wow! If they raced a mile and half I would be confident that WF would reverse form. Hes not that special really, He beat a good Mile and half horse by 1/2L over 10F. SYT isn't even the best horse at Ballydoyle IMO. That goes to St Nicholas Abbey...
ASupremeOwl 7 months ago
Guy in 5th never touched his horse and wasnt far behind.Dream ahead i think it was.
MrSmid888 8 months ago
@MrSmid888 dream ahead is best over 6 furlongs with cut in the ground, hes in the july cup big chance if he gets his ground
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 there we go our tip won easy DREAM AHEAD,wasnt touched in this race and the mile was too far.Easy money i got 9s.
MrSmid888 7 months ago
@MrSmid888 i was all over dream ahead at 9/1 happy days :)
john131349 7 months ago
@john131349 ha ha good man!!Was a stick on i thought,i only had 20ew but £265 is a nice pocket filler.
MrSmid888 7 months ago
Hmmm, NOT a good ride. At all.
thespacialone 8 months ago
Frankel certainly didn't look as dominant in this race as he has in most of his other starts, but I'd still imagine that Aidan O'Brien really has to be happy with what he saw out of Zoffany in this race. Makes wonder why O'Brien didn't run him in this year's English or Irish 2000 Guineas? Because the horse clearly stays a mile well. Zoffany probably wouldn't be able to get to this close to Frankel again? But he still had some very good horses in wake in this race. Most notably, Excelebration.
GBeret83 8 months ago
I don't agree that Queally should be dropped of the horse as he probably thought he was on a horse that could stay as well as quicken and run like a bullet. Don't go comparing Sea The Stars to Frankel because STS was best over 1m2f-1m4f whereas Frankel's a miler through and through. Over 1m Frank would win, over further well we know the answer to that. Personally I almost don't want Frank and CC to meet as I want them to be unbeaten. I think the best racehorse in the world will win the Eclispe.
CharlesOlney23 8 months ago
Though in my mind that win did NOTHING to ruin Frankel's reputation as he still won and is still UNBEATEN! Sorry but by this stage the last 2 Derby winners couldn't boast that. Frankel is still the best 3yr old in the world - I think this year has seen a poor Derby and there's not a worldly 3yr old that could beet him over a mile. I do think Queally misjudged the race going that early but the connections are still testing with him. They wanted to see his staying ablilty.
CharlesOlney23 8 months ago
Over a mile, maybe Frankel would've been able to run with Sea The Stars? Maybe? But at 10 to 12f, forget it. No way that Frankel could beat Sea The Stars. Sea The Stars took the step up from a mile to 1-1/2 immediately, and took it in stride with no problems. If Frankel is really the beat that most believe he is? Why hasn't Cecil raced him beyond a mile yet? Even if Cecil didn't believe he'd stay the 12f at Epsom? Being by Galileo, Frankel should be able to get 10f standing on his head. TJMO.
GBeret83 8 months ago
Frankel is a brilliant horse but these tactics are horrendous. Frankel was effectively asked to hit top gear 5f out when Queally sent him out to catch and pass the pacemaker (which he did about 4f out.) Why? This left him on his own, having to finish off a 5f run for home with the pack bearing down on him. It is only the brilliance of the horse that got him home. Had he been settled in and unleashed with 2f to go he would have scooted in and we would be saying "worldbeater." Sort it out Henry!
watchinginawe 8 months ago 2
@ASupremeOwl You sound like a sad cunt. The only clown thats commenting is you. Tryhard racing expert. Did you get bashed by a aussie? Is that why you keep posting angry comments when someone brings up syt and blackcaviar?
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 Angry comments? If you read what I last put about Black Caviar you will discover it was fact you dumb reprobate. Black Caviar as never raced over a mile and never will since she is pure speed she wouldn't see 8 furlongs out so was clearly stating that Frankel would annihilate her over 8 furlongs. Fact not fiction. And as for So You Think he was cut down by a sub-standard Godolphin type so what chance as he got against Workforce, Pour Moi, Reliable Man, Even St Nicholas Abbey?
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 who I believe is the best middle distance runner currently in Aidan O'Brien's stable. I mean Await The Dawn won the Hardwicke on the worst ground possible at Ascot, Better ground and he would certainly give So You Think a run I would say... As for being bashed by an Aussie, I couldn't really care less about our criminal immigrants down under. We've got the Ashes and we rule the world of Horse-racing. That'll do for Me muppet :)
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
'' Inside the two and Frankel edges to the front, Queally still with a right rein... But heres Canford Cliffs challenging on the outside they neck and neck. Queally says go and My god Frankel as hit hyperdrive and as literally took off. Different class, Brilliant. Frankel wins the Sussex Stakes in the style of an absolute champion '' Just a taster before Goodwood...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Let me put it this way. After the St James Palace Stakes, Tom Queally was struggling to pull Frankel up he had abit still left in the tank. He kept on and won, Look at his Royal Lodge performance he bolted to the line after being held up and put into contention at the right time. There isn't a horse in Europe with the turn of foot like Frankel not even Canford Cliffs. I am fairly confident Frankel will never be ridden like he was in the St James of the Guineas espcially against..
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Are you taking the piss with your spelling or is that just natural? My god! Anyway I suggest you go to the bbc website and rewatch this race. Frankel was continuing to run on around the bend and even in the parade ring after the race he didn't look like He'd had a race. From your thinking your suggesting Frankel didn't stay out the mile properly? So why would Henry Cecil consider the Juddmonte if that was the case? Nobody as given Frankel a proper race yet...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 I know nothing about racing? What because You don't agree with you. Shut up you clown. Im not the only one, Henry Cecil knows the horse better than anyone and he knows a fair bit more than Me and You and when he clearly states the horse gets lazy in front then I believe him. Hes never been one to give outlandish or untrue comments during an interview. Even Willie Carson said this horse needs to be held up alot more as he idles...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Think you need to go back to shcool and learn how to spell you fruitcake. 39 year old and still spelling beat as beet... My god! I've probably been watching racing longer than you've had hairs on your bollocks and when I see a top class horse I'll say. Frankel will prove superior of Canford Cliffs and thats my opinion like it or not you degenerate! Get back to shooting mice and rabbits you dirty reprobate...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@ASupremeOwl we all no he need to be held up so why is sir henry running frankel like that then,if you no about racing explain.
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Some horses get lazy in front, Its like a marathon runner if there out on there own for so long in a race there concentration can go and its no different for horses. I am more than confident that if Frankel is produced late there isn't a miler about who can go with him after his turn of foot...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Get on Betfair and I will lay Canford Cliffs at 3/1 for the Sussex Stakes... Put your money where your mouth is!
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 If they switch Frankel off in the Sussex and hes still on a tight rein 2 furlongs out you will lose your money if you back Canford Cliffs. Canford Cliffs as a high crusing speed but it takes him a furlong to get motoring and Frankel will have already stretched 4 or 5 clear by that point... I really hope they meet!
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Frankel goes from cruising to hyperdrive in a few strides, Hes a one of a kind in Europe theres not a horse yet who can kill a horse like he can. Just watch his Royal Lodge performance aswell as he took the bend in the St James Palace. If Canford Cliffs had been ridden how Frankel was in this race he would have lost. But Frankel is that good he held on, Both CC and Frankel need to be produced late IMO and what a race to look relish. Thats if CC doesn't bottle it for the Eclipse..
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 the older generation. Switch him off and let him explode in the last two furlongs. Canford Cliffs would be a sitting duck. Remember Canford Cliffs isn't unbeatable... Dick Turpin as found the better of him twice on there 4 meetings. And for the record Canford Cliffs as never in a million years been 2/1 for the Sussex Stakes, Hes been a short price 11/8 favourite since his Lockinge demolition job. I'd give you 3/1 that Frankel disposes of him though. Im that confident in Frankel
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Frankel as never been eyeballed by an horse, The closest anyone as got to him was in his maiden run. I am sure if he was given a proper race he would find more. Did you see Tom Queally try and pull him up at the end of the race? He couldn't, Whilst everyone had stopped Frankel kept going once he found company. His turn of foot and speed is far greater than Canford Cliffs and I really hope they meet so Frankel can prove he really is best horse in the world...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
THIS is the horse they rate on par with Black Caviar? WTF?
GBNLE 8 months ago
@GBNLE no hes actually better
john131349 8 months ago
@GBNLE Yes. Timeform have him about 3 lens better. That would be her running fourth, according to Timeform.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@GBNLE Black Caviar wouldn't get within 25L over a mile with Frankel so what the hell are you going on about you clown? Black Caviar is a two bit sprinter who I hope comes to Ascot and is shown to be yet another overhyped Aussie superstar just like the one we had this year...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@ASupremeOwl No respect for your opinions after seeing this.
Bax7a 8 months ago
The Sussex Stakes could be more about Queally v's Hughes than Frankel v's Canford Cliffs. Hughsie knows exactly how to ride CC to track and pounce late. Queally last 2 rides on Frankel have been questionable, releasing him so early.
I know where my money is going, in fact I already have £200 on CC @ 6/4 should they meet this year.
Bax7a 8 months ago
@Bax7a Get to the window early. The winnings are already in your pocket. If they are both fit, good jockeys, CC will win over a mile.
SvendBosanvovski 8 months ago
@Bax7a I'll give you 3/1 Canford Cliffs. Frankel will stalk and pounce late. Not even Canford Cliffs as a turn of foot like Frankel. How you can right Frankel off is ridiculous? Because he didnt win by 25L hes now a subrate animal. Idiot...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@ASupremeOwl I never wrote Frakel off, I have him as the best 3 year old miler and probably the 3rd best miler in the world behind Black Caviar & Canford Cliffs. Racing is all about opinions and mine may well be wrong.
Bax7a 8 months ago
@Bax7a When as Black Caviar ever ever run over a mile? She runs 5/6 F. She wouldn't cope with Frankel over a mile...
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@thepoacher2010 Whats interesting is Canford Cliffs is ridden how Frankel should be and that will be duly noted in the Frankel camp. I reckon the will sit off the pace even if Canford Cliffs is sat in behind and then unleash Frankel with 2f remaining. It will take some horse to get past him and Canford Cliffs is probably the only horse capable of giving him a race at the minute. But in all My time of watching horse racing I haven't seen a miler like Frankel... Ever!
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
@Bax7a well done mate i dont think you will lose,frankel can take over frome canford cliffs next year.
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@Bax7a
So it means if the Freak wins (and he will :-), he can be considered as the best horse over 1m in the world. And I know where my money's goinf, I in fact I already have 2000 € on Frankel should they meet this year. :-D
astrenvi 8 months ago
got video on my channel of queally winning on phoenix tower he needs to get his
head back to how he was riding then and not panic they will learn from this thats
for sure it's time to stop using pacemakers just pointless task when a horse
just get there head fried and i say that cause ive worked in racing ridden out horse for years and will fry there mind know good to anyone after that
studder11 8 months ago
i'm surprised nobody has mentioned frankel's condition.Going down to the start and in the parade ring it looked to me as if he had been trained"too hard".I'm not trying to 2nd guess henry cecil but his ribs were extremely prominant,moreso than in any of his previous races.I beieve the horse could do with a rest
havannah00 8 months ago
@havannah00 yes i notised it as well but to be honest he looked magnificent i have never seen so much mustle on the bottom of a horses neck like that before a truly magnificent animal,
thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@havannah00 , i to was in the parade ring , great day, all i can say is how relaxed he was the entire time, which may have been a deciding factor, as far as consuming energy, as i thought the worst 1f out,
dubian99 8 months ago
I hope they don't use these tactics again with Frankel, it's a surefire way of getting him beaten, especially against something like canford cliffs.
Frankel can come from behind and late e showed that in the royal lodge, and it ensures that his finishing run lasts to the line, instead of running out of gas late on and clinging on.
Switch him off and bring him late and he'll beat canford cliffs!
However personally I think he's going to York.
shaffi1 8 months ago
@shaffi1 the owner has sponsored the york race for years without ever winning it, hes gotta be thinking of running Frankel in it, i cant think of another racehorse whos been asked to quicken for 4 furlongs, Queally has got to hold on for longer then use his speed from the 3 pole
john131349 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
Forget the the technicalities, Frankel is a champion and will be unbeaten this season. What a horse.
Laytonia1977 8 months ago
@Laytonia1977 Not if Quealy continues to give him rides like that mate
championsofeurope21 8 months ago
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thepoacher2010 8 months ago
@John131349 For one thing bart would of had syt in tip top condition in the pow. Obriens a good trainer but hes got along way to get to barts level. Being a honest guy he would probably agree if asked the question
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago
@SoulSurvivor79 its not the European style to have a horse who you are aiming at the arc in october to be at his peak in june, because of the fact that they are trying to sell SYT as a future stallion to European breeders they want him to run in all the group 1s from 10 - 12 furlongs, if hes trained hard now he will be exausted before october
john131349 8 months ago
@ASupremeOwl Haha Snowfairy wonderful filly but globetrotting? She won 1 race in japan then the hongkong cup. And your clearly dillusional if you think frankel could live with Bc over 5 or 6 furlongs. I will admit frankel has alot of class.But he wouldnt defeat Bc at 5 to 6 or even 7. I think he would have a shot at 8.
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago
all the aussie jokers slagging off A Obrien i reckon theres been more prize money won worldwide from the yard where he trains than from the one Bart trains in
john131349 8 months ago
@john131349 Agreed. Aidan O'Brien is a genius..
ASupremeOwl 8 months ago
Come on boys face it Syts not overrated. I think deep down you know he will deliver the goods. You just dont wont to admit that a horse from downunder has the talent to cleanup your big g1s. Come on now fellas its okay you will learn to appreciate the mighty SYT. Just give it time.
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago
@john131349 just like you said plantuer would! Where did he finish again? And what was that about wankel?
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago
This horse reminds me alot of dubai millenium. Even though hes by galileo i think he will get found out bigtime over 10 furlongs. The same way dubai millenium was over a mile and a half.
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago
@fowlergod09 just like you said plantuer would. Where did you get the seven lengths from it looked more like 4 to me. But talk it up if it makes you feel better haha.
SoulSurvivor79 8 months ago