Interesting conversation below. Still continuing about every opera/popera singer really. In my opinion opera and popera are two distinct things with different jobs. Opera is classical because it uses techniques and interpretation of past composer ideals, popera is not. Opera singers keep amazing music alive and explore what can be done with it. Popera singers make that music more accessible to people who would otherwise not listen to it. Each to their own as to which they prefer. Personal taste.
Windy, that anyone is destroying great music is simply a point of view, an opinion, based on what is a fashion. The opera popular today was once rubbished by the purists of the day as refined and aristocratic taste being overrun by bourgeois bad taste.
If what the popera doing has a market it will remain. If opera has a market it will remain.
Classical music will survive, certainly. But you are confusing classical music with the fashionable type of opera vocalism. Opera vocalism changes.
Ugh, this is the latest addition to the classical crossover world? I just hope someone with a good voice and some originality (a difficult combo, I know) can take the stage someday. It would appear that the only woman with a chance of actually singing classical music is Katherine Jenkins...we will see. I'm starting to hate this breathy/pop crap that's passing as decent.
Well she is writing her own songs; but I don't think your requirements will ever be met, Windgrace. Jenkins has opera training that is true. But how one is to define "classical music" is not so clear. And, "classical crossover" is a pretty meaningless term. "Passing as decent"? These people have a job to do and they are operating in the popular arena. What matters is what works. The solution for those who hate it is simple: they can watch something else.
I guess, in the end, I only like two classical crossover singers, and one of them is ver disappointing with her recent performances. The rest of the singers are total rubbish and wannabes. They seriously know how to destroy great music. If they're so interested in entertainment, go full pop, none of this destruction of opera. This 'type' of music will end up dieing out in the next decade. :)True classical music will always live forever, unlike this.
What do you mean "this" sort of music? She sang a Maori folk song and a song she wrote herself about child abuse. What the hell has this got to do with opera?
But you miss my point about the hat and the old lady. The market rules. If there is money in popera, if it sells, it is entertainment! If it's popular then it is pop!
And remember that opera itself has changed and evolved. The way they sing opera now was one said to be the destruction of great music and that it was wrong.
BTW this type of music has always been there and always will. The great composers based a lot of their work on the folk songs of the people. And please don't confuse opera vocalism with "classical Music". Opera vocalism has changed radically over the years. Read about it on the Web or go to the library.
To say classical music will last is tautolgous. But styles of opera singing are no more classical Music then method acting is classical literature.
"Wannabes" Wannabe whats? Opera singers? LOL. Really. I know of one who was offered the chance to train for opera and had been in opera choruses but who decided against it. She'd be sitting on her behind listening to lectures at a particular university now if she had gone that way. They have signed million $ contracts. The record company has decided they will go on "classical" lists. They have little say in the matter. Some are just singing easy Listening as it used to be called. Get real Sis.
If all these people are singing is folk songs and easily listening, why on earth is it called 'popera' then. The name didn't come from nowhere. It's a bunch of people with not enough talent or training for opera trying to sing it. Westenra's O Mio Babbino Caro was one of the most horrifying things I've seen.
Opera may have changed and evolved in many ways (including vocalism), but this and other crossover artists don't even come close to resembling opera in any way, shape or form.
I didn't say that all they sang was "easy listening". The Kiwi kids are less popera than Il Divo, Jenkins, and Potts. Your comment about Westenra's O Mio is bullshit. I have experienced instrumenalists, and an experienced opera singer who tell me it was "excellent". It is included on one of the "Best of Classical Disks". You don't have to like it, but many think it artistically superior because she submitted to the role and didn't just put over "LOOK AT ME AREN'T I ClEVER", like the opera divas.
I have yet to see 'many think it artistically superior.' Her O Mio Babbino Caro isn't just a different take on a classic aria. It's just terrible. I've had MANY experienced singers (pop, opera, any genre really) agree with me that she is absolute rubbish. Kiri was right about Westenblah. She's a fake.
Your rubbishing of Westenra's version is just to rile me. So many people like it. Why in the name of God must they resemble modern opera, why? We aren't in the same world here, you'll never understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that I don't accept that opera is the summit of human vocalism. NO, THEY DON'T RESEMBLE OPERA AND THANK GOD FOR THAT!
OPERA COULDN'T PULL A DRUNK OFF ITS SISTER LET ALONE AN AUDIENCE. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO SING OPERA. (THANK GOD).
Some historians think early forms of opera were similar to crooners like Frank Sinatra. There was a time too, when opera was sung more like the crossover people do it. But this dosen't matter. That music does not belong to the classical purists. I can sing it in the bathtub if I want to and if Norman Lebrect (dumb critic) tries to stop me, I'll smack his face in. Westenra's version of O Mio is appreciated by more people than any other version and has been heard more than any other version.
Westenblah's version is more appreciated and more heard? I highly doubt that. Prove that statement. I believe Callas' rendition is much more appreciated and renowned.
'some historians....' Well,when they bring me proof, I'll believe it. I have a hard time believing that Frank Sinatra would have sung 'Nessun Dorma' a couple hundred years ago. *eyeroll*
The comment is based on the number of records sold featuring Westenra's version.
I repeat:
"Some historians think early forms of opera were similar to crooners like Frank Sinatra."
I can give you a link to articles saying this.
Hating someone's music is one thing, hating them personally is another. You have a lot of hate, nastiness, jealousy in you. Westenra's version of O Mio is excellent and no impartial person would disagree. Get some counselling about your hatred.
Album sales has absolutely nothing to do with Hayley's version being more appreciated. LOL
I don't hate any of these singers personally (unless they lie to me). I just hate that blind people believe that this is opera when IN FACT it isn't. I am not jealous of any of these fakes. If these people feel success at poisoning the name of opera, fine by me. :)But, if you're allowed to openly say you love them, I'm allowed to say I hate them.
Many think opera is crap. To me it is risibly silly. Why anyone would want to sing like that is beyond me. Dr Johnson and a large number of other equally famous people have rubbished it.
You have no authority to tell me or anyone else what is good or bad singing, Windy. Nor any authority to tell us how opera should be sung. Nor any authority to tell us what classical music is. Nor any authority to tell us what is art. Many people prefer popera. Their opinions are as valid as yours.
I, actually, can say what I think is good or bad singing. And, actually, there IS a correct way to sing opera...if you're not too blinded by these fakes you'll see that it's true. I already told you that classical music is a very loose term. Many people like popera, many people hate it. I'm in the opinion of the latter.
And don't blame me. I tried to stop this rubbish years ago. I and a neighbour told Hayley Westenra she'd never get any money in her hat from us while she sung all this poofter foreign rubbish, which was unbecoming to a good Kiwi lass. She should have been singing "My Old Man's a Dustman" or rugby songs. She insisted that there was a fortune to me made singing bad Italian and cited Bocelli as an example. We laughed at her and joked about her probably thinking she'd grow and sing with him.
Then an old lady came along, waved her walking stick at us menacingly and told us the little girl could sing whatever she liked, whenever she liked, however she liked, and then put $5 in Hayley's hat. Hayley found that when she played the violin the crowds drifted away, when she sang they got bigger, and when she sang in bad Italian they got bigger still and put more money in her hat. That's what it's all about, Windy, how much money goes in the hat, not whether you or I like it.
Yep, she's going to have the opera freaks, purists, (and retards) after her blood alright. She should be very proud, it shows that she has made it already.
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Huh? its like saying to someone, Your music is in the Pop Genre, when you are a practicing Goth.
Pop rules until the majority of people start becoming "into" Gothic Genre music and you all of a sudden loose your actual audience to a facade of emotion.
Although I enjoy Kiri Tekanawa, she really needs to think about what she is saying! How soon she forgets about all the jazz standard and popular material that she has recorded for the record labels just to sell records. Furthermore, the popera singers are not calling themselves opera singers and the whole approach is much different from traditional opera.
Opera is all that's real of course. Only opera singing is real singing and only opera is art. And there is quite a lot of opera on YouTube if you'd care to go and watch some...
It is the people who claim they are great artists who are the fakes. Singing Mahler or Puccini doesn't make the singer an artist, anymore than my reciting Shakespeare makes me a great writer. The popera/crossover kids lack of pretention demonstrates the fallacies of the art music world. It is Kiri "I AM A GREAT ARTIST" te kanawa who is the mountebank, charlatan, and fake.
Entertainment is entertainment, these kids don't pretend otherwise. The opera freaks claim to be something they're not.
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i just gotta say sqid101 you are a faggot paedophile who must be stalkerishly in love with this chik, shes obviously quite pretty a lot more so than she is musically talented, her voice sounds nasal hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Hello, Beatfury. Another opera fan? I get very tired of purist idiots telling me what I should and should not listen to, and what is or isn't "real" music.
But your braindead post shows you have no idea what the argument has been about. You might as well be on another planet. If you are talking about the chick in the video, of course she has no musical talent. She's a fake popera singer; none of them have any talent and they never last. I'm only interested in her tits.
I had already noticed that Elizabeth has been the subject of attack in a number of purist reviews. She must be better than I had realised. I see a couple of braindead purist reviews have attacked her when there was no earthy reason to mention her at all. This is the sort of compliment usually only paid to people like Russell Watson and Kathy Jenkins. She is on her way!
"Wet Blanket"? A wet blanket is someone who discourages enthusiasm and enjoyment. It seems a less apposite criticism of Hayley Westenra than it does of yourself.
Isn't a purist Operaphile calling anyone else a wet blanket the most classic case of the slag heap calling the polar bear black imaginable? Isn't being a wet blanket your raison d'être? What else do you people ever do - apart from making catty and facile comments demostrating your hatred and envy of the successful (something you'll never be)?
Ahahahaaaa, this coming from someone who has Paul Potts in his favourites! You want to hear a real tenor sing - look up Jussi Bjorling, Franco Corelli, Rolando Villazon, Juan Diego Florez. Considering I have actually had the mispleasure of singing with Hayley Westenra, I prefer singers who can fill an opera theatre without the aid of a microphone.
Please, keep enjoying this music, but I hope one day, you can discover what a real singer truly sounds like.
Oh, please, please, not the opera singers sing louder than pop again business please! It's not true. Projecting over an orchestra has more to do with frequency than power. Just about anyone can train themselves to do it if they are have to. I don't think Te Kanawa's or Natasha Marsh's voices are stronger than Westenra's, actually. And how do you know what music I enjoy?
There is at least one critic who claims to detest crossover music but still argues that attitudes like yours do more damage to opera and classical music than the crossovers. He may well be right. And there are actually people who like both. I'd like to see the local singers do well - whether I like them that much or not. The antagonism you have towards the crossover singers goes way beyond rationality.
1. you have no authority to tell anyone what is or is not Art.
2. Or to tell anyone what is or is not good singing.
3. Or how "classical" music should be sung.
4. Or even how "classical music" should be defined.
5. And that "classical singing" is not the highest vocal achievement.
6. Opera is risible nonsense that no one with a feeling for good acting could hack for 30 seconds, though as a substitute for Monty Python it works well.
I beg your pardon too, you're right about the official definition of "wet blanket". I stand corrected. I meant "soppy and limp". I hope you have lovely day.
And I could make up insults about braindead opera singers too, but have already been told off for such retaliation. Let's say at this stage that you are telling us much more about yourself than about Ms Westenra or her music. The Rock Music people who describe her as the "Empress of the Banal", are being 1000 times more intelligent and humorous too, without making themselves look ugly and pathetic.
'I meant "soppy and limp".' Oh, I see. You are mistaking Bryn Terfel's version of Amazing Grace for Hayley's. Or Renee Fleming's pathetic attempts at popular material. For an opera fan to talk about someone like Westenra being "soppy and limp" is the ultimate in absurdity. It is exactly because the crossover singers are not so pathetically mawkish and falsely sentimental as opera that they are so popular.
"drooling psychotic peice of shit on feet with the mentality of a kindergarten bully" - look in the mirror you freak! Are you a failed singer or something? Let it go!!! Sad...so very very sad.
Yes it is sad. And it is just so bloody tedious. You let it go. Let it go. Your continued attacks on these singers and anyone who you imagine enjoys their music is pathological. What is it about them that terrifies you so much? I am tempted to email the youth choir and ask them if the attitude you have expressed about singing with Westenra is shared by the management and many other members. I regret supporting them in the past and won't do it again.
You came here to bully, to make trouble, and to wound. Why you loathe these crossover kids so much I haven't quite worked out. I think they simply expose the fallacies the "Art" music world is based on.
I have known people who were childish and stupid, who were bullies, who were irremissibly arrogant and up themselves, but I had never met any group of people who combined all these attributes to an extraodinary degree until I came across the opera fans here and the purist critics.
What excuse do you have pussball? Were you born a psychotic, childish bully, or has all this opera addled your brain? I'm not a singer... the one thing we have in common I suppose.
Does Gray Bartlett have a laboratory where he creates these sub-mediocre female singing clones?
Gray better watch out, one dark stormy night they're all going to rise like zombies and kill their master!
Janett1955 6 months ago
Interesting conversation below. Still continuing about every opera/popera singer really. In my opinion opera and popera are two distinct things with different jobs. Opera is classical because it uses techniques and interpretation of past composer ideals, popera is not. Opera singers keep amazing music alive and explore what can be done with it. Popera singers make that music more accessible to people who would otherwise not listen to it. Each to their own as to which they prefer. Personal taste.
chocoholicchic92 7 months ago
Windy, that anyone is destroying great music is simply a point of view, an opinion, based on what is a fashion. The opera popular today was once rubbished by the purists of the day as refined and aristocratic taste being overrun by bourgeois bad taste.
If what the popera doing has a market it will remain. If opera has a market it will remain.
Classical music will survive, certainly. But you are confusing classical music with the fashionable type of opera vocalism. Opera vocalism changes.
Sqid101 3 years ago
Ugh, this is the latest addition to the classical crossover world? I just hope someone with a good voice and some originality (a difficult combo, I know) can take the stage someday. It would appear that the only woman with a chance of actually singing classical music is Katherine Jenkins...we will see. I'm starting to hate this breathy/pop crap that's passing as decent.
Windgrace 3 years ago
Well she is writing her own songs; but I don't think your requirements will ever be met, Windgrace. Jenkins has opera training that is true. But how one is to define "classical music" is not so clear. And, "classical crossover" is a pretty meaningless term. "Passing as decent"? These people have a job to do and they are operating in the popular arena. What matters is what works. The solution for those who hate it is simple: they can watch something else.
Sqid101 3 years ago
'Classical' is a very loose term, I agree.
I guess, in the end, I only like two classical crossover singers, and one of them is ver disappointing with her recent performances. The rest of the singers are total rubbish and wannabes. They seriously know how to destroy great music. If they're so interested in entertainment, go full pop, none of this destruction of opera. This 'type' of music will end up dieing out in the next decade. :)True classical music will always live forever, unlike this.
Windgrace 3 years ago
What do you mean "this" sort of music? She sang a Maori folk song and a song she wrote herself about child abuse. What the hell has this got to do with opera?
But you miss my point about the hat and the old lady. The market rules. If there is money in popera, if it sells, it is entertainment! If it's popular then it is pop!
And remember that opera itself has changed and evolved. The way they sing opera now was one said to be the destruction of great music and that it was wrong.
Sqid101 3 years ago
BTW this type of music has always been there and always will. The great composers based a lot of their work on the folk songs of the people. And please don't confuse opera vocalism with "classical Music". Opera vocalism has changed radically over the years. Read about it on the Web or go to the library.
To say classical music will last is tautolgous. But styles of opera singing are no more classical Music then method acting is classical literature.
Sqid101 3 years ago
"Wannabes" Wannabe whats? Opera singers? LOL. Really. I know of one who was offered the chance to train for opera and had been in opera choruses but who decided against it. She'd be sitting on her behind listening to lectures at a particular university now if she had gone that way. They have signed million $ contracts. The record company has decided they will go on "classical" lists. They have little say in the matter. Some are just singing easy Listening as it used to be called. Get real Sis.
Sqid101 3 years ago
If all these people are singing is folk songs and easily listening, why on earth is it called 'popera' then. The name didn't come from nowhere. It's a bunch of people with not enough talent or training for opera trying to sing it. Westenra's O Mio Babbino Caro was one of the most horrifying things I've seen.
Opera may have changed and evolved in many ways (including vocalism), but this and other crossover artists don't even come close to resembling opera in any way, shape or form.
Windgrace 3 years ago
I didn't say that all they sang was "easy listening". The Kiwi kids are less popera than Il Divo, Jenkins, and Potts. Your comment about Westenra's O Mio is bullshit. I have experienced instrumenalists, and an experienced opera singer who tell me it was "excellent". It is included on one of the "Best of Classical Disks". You don't have to like it, but many think it artistically superior because she submitted to the role and didn't just put over "LOOK AT ME AREN'T I ClEVER", like the opera divas.
Sqid101 3 years ago
I have yet to see 'many think it artistically superior.' Her O Mio Babbino Caro isn't just a different take on a classic aria. It's just terrible. I've had MANY experienced singers (pop, opera, any genre really) agree with me that she is absolute rubbish. Kiri was right about Westenblah. She's a fake.
Windgrace 3 years ago
Your rubbishing of Westenra's version is just to rile me. So many people like it. Why in the name of God must they resemble modern opera, why? We aren't in the same world here, you'll never understand what I'm saying. I'm saying that I don't accept that opera is the summit of human vocalism. NO, THEY DON'T RESEMBLE OPERA AND THANK GOD FOR THAT!
OPERA COULDN'T PULL A DRUNK OFF ITS SISTER LET ALONE AN AUDIENCE. THEY ARE NOT TRYING TO SING OPERA. (THANK GOD).
Sqid101 3 years ago
Some historians think early forms of opera were similar to crooners like Frank Sinatra. There was a time too, when opera was sung more like the crossover people do it. But this dosen't matter. That music does not belong to the classical purists. I can sing it in the bathtub if I want to and if Norman Lebrect (dumb critic) tries to stop me, I'll smack his face in. Westenra's version of O Mio is appreciated by more people than any other version and has been heard more than any other version.
Sqid101 3 years ago
Westenblah's version is more appreciated and more heard? I highly doubt that. Prove that statement. I believe Callas' rendition is much more appreciated and renowned.
'some historians....' Well,when they bring me proof, I'll believe it. I have a hard time believing that Frank Sinatra would have sung 'Nessun Dorma' a couple hundred years ago. *eyeroll*
Windgrace 3 years ago
The comment is based on the number of records sold featuring Westenra's version.
I repeat:
"Some historians think early forms of opera were similar to crooners like Frank Sinatra."
I can give you a link to articles saying this.
Hating someone's music is one thing, hating them personally is another. You have a lot of hate, nastiness, jealousy in you. Westenra's version of O Mio is excellent and no impartial person would disagree. Get some counselling about your hatred.
Sqid101 3 years ago
Album sales has absolutely nothing to do with Hayley's version being more appreciated. LOL
I don't hate any of these singers personally (unless they lie to me). I just hate that blind people believe that this is opera when IN FACT it isn't. I am not jealous of any of these fakes. If these people feel success at poisoning the name of opera, fine by me. :)But, if you're allowed to openly say you love them, I'm allowed to say I hate them.
Windgrace 3 years ago
Many think opera is crap. To me it is risibly silly. Why anyone would want to sing like that is beyond me. Dr Johnson and a large number of other equally famous people have rubbished it.
You have no authority to tell me or anyone else what is good or bad singing, Windy. Nor any authority to tell us how opera should be sung. Nor any authority to tell us what classical music is. Nor any authority to tell us what is art. Many people prefer popera. Their opinions are as valid as yours.
Sqid101 3 years ago
I'm sure just as many people love pure opera.
I, actually, can say what I think is good or bad singing. And, actually, there IS a correct way to sing opera...if you're not too blinded by these fakes you'll see that it's true. I already told you that classical music is a very loose term. Many people like popera, many people hate it. I'm in the opinion of the latter.
Windgrace 3 years ago
And don't blame me. I tried to stop this rubbish years ago. I and a neighbour told Hayley Westenra she'd never get any money in her hat from us while she sung all this poofter foreign rubbish, which was unbecoming to a good Kiwi lass. She should have been singing "My Old Man's a Dustman" or rugby songs. She insisted that there was a fortune to me made singing bad Italian and cited Bocelli as an example. We laughed at her and joked about her probably thinking she'd grow and sing with him.
Sqid101 3 years ago
Then an old lady came along, waved her walking stick at us menacingly and told us the little girl could sing whatever she liked, whenever she liked, however she liked, and then put $5 in Hayley's hat. Hayley found that when she played the violin the crowds drifted away, when she sang they got bigger, and when she sang in bad Italian they got bigger still and put more money in her hat. That's what it's all about, Windy, how much money goes in the hat, not whether you or I like it.
Sqid101 3 years ago
Pretty good.Although I still like Haley and Yulia.
spacifical 3 years ago 4
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I think Dame Kiri was right, fake. not real.
BipolarKiwi 4 years ago
Yep, she's going to have the opera freaks, purists, (and retards) after her blood alright. She should be very proud, it shows that she has made it already.
StoptheHaters2 4 years ago 5
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Huh? its like saying to someone, Your music is in the Pop Genre, when you are a practicing Goth.
Pop rules until the majority of people start becoming "into" Gothic Genre music and you all of a sudden loose your actual audience to a facade of emotion.
OPERA is emotion like a unique language!
BipolarKiwi 4 years ago
Although I enjoy Kiri Tekanawa, she really needs to think about what she is saying! How soon she forgets about all the jazz standard and popular material that she has recorded for the record labels just to sell records. Furthermore, the popera singers are not calling themselves opera singers and the whole approach is much different from traditional opera.
talmagedotson2 4 years ago 2
Opera is all that's real of course. Only opera singing is real singing and only opera is art. And there is quite a lot of opera on YouTube if you'd care to go and watch some...
StoptheHaters2 3 years ago
It is the people who claim they are great artists who are the fakes. Singing Mahler or Puccini doesn't make the singer an artist, anymore than my reciting Shakespeare makes me a great writer. The popera/crossover kids lack of pretention demonstrates the fallacies of the art music world. It is Kiri "I AM A GREAT ARTIST" te kanawa who is the mountebank, charlatan, and fake.
Entertainment is entertainment, these kids don't pretend otherwise. The opera freaks claim to be something they're not.
Sqid101 3 years ago 2
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i just gotta say sqid101 you are a faggot paedophile who must be stalkerishly in love with this chik, shes obviously quite pretty a lot more so than she is musically talented, her voice sounds nasal hahahahahahahahahahahaha
Beatfury 4 years ago
Hello, Beatfury. Another opera fan? I get very tired of purist idiots telling me what I should and should not listen to, and what is or isn't "real" music.
But your braindead post shows you have no idea what the argument has been about. You might as well be on another planet. If you are talking about the chick in the video, of course she has no musical talent. She's a fake popera singer; none of them have any talent and they never last. I'm only interested in her tits.
Sqid101 4 years ago 5
You are a retard Beatfury. Be quiet about things you don't understand.
StoptheHaters2 4 years ago 6
shut up fag tongue my gootch
Beatfury 4 years ago
I had already noticed that Elizabeth has been the subject of attack in a number of purist reviews. She must be better than I had realised. I see a couple of braindead purist reviews have attacked her when there was no earthy reason to mention her at all. This is the sort of compliment usually only paid to people like Russell Watson and Kathy Jenkins. She is on her way!
Sqid101 4 years ago 2
Oh, god, she even looks like and speaks likes Hayley Westenra. For music's sake, I hope she proves to be less of a wet blanket. Yawn!
Operaphile 4 years ago
"Wet Blanket"? A wet blanket is someone who discourages enthusiasm and enjoyment. It seems a less apposite criticism of Hayley Westenra than it does of yourself.
Sqid101 4 years ago
Isn't a purist Operaphile calling anyone else a wet blanket the most classic case of the slag heap calling the polar bear black imaginable? Isn't being a wet blanket your raison d'être? What else do you people ever do - apart from making catty and facile comments demostrating your hatred and envy of the successful (something you'll never be)?
Sqid101 4 years ago
Ahahahaaaa, this coming from someone who has Paul Potts in his favourites! You want to hear a real tenor sing - look up Jussi Bjorling, Franco Corelli, Rolando Villazon, Juan Diego Florez. Considering I have actually had the mispleasure of singing with Hayley Westenra, I prefer singers who can fill an opera theatre without the aid of a microphone.
Please, keep enjoying this music, but I hope one day, you can discover what a real singer truly sounds like.
Operaphile 4 years ago
Oh, please, please, not the opera singers sing louder than pop again business please! It's not true. Projecting over an orchestra has more to do with frequency than power. Just about anyone can train themselves to do it if they are have to. I don't think Te Kanawa's or Natasha Marsh's voices are stronger than Westenra's, actually. And how do you know what music I enjoy?
Sqid101 4 years ago
There is at least one critic who claims to detest crossover music but still argues that attitudes like yours do more damage to opera and classical music than the crossovers. He may well be right. And there are actually people who like both. I'd like to see the local singers do well - whether I like them that much or not. The antagonism you have towards the crossover singers goes way beyond rationality.
Sqid101 4 years ago
Get it into your psychotic skull, peabrain:
1. you have no authority to tell anyone what is or is not Art.
2. Or to tell anyone what is or is not good singing.
3. Or how "classical" music should be sung.
4. Or even how "classical music" should be defined.
5. And that "classical singing" is not the highest vocal achievement.
6. Opera is risible nonsense that no one with a feeling for good acting could hack for 30 seconds, though as a substitute for Monty Python it works well.
Sqid101 4 years ago
I beg your pardon too, you're right about the official definition of "wet blanket". I stand corrected. I meant "soppy and limp". I hope you have lovely day.
Operaphile 4 years ago
And I could make up insults about braindead opera singers too, but have already been told off for such retaliation. Let's say at this stage that you are telling us much more about yourself than about Ms Westenra or her music. The Rock Music people who describe her as the "Empress of the Banal", are being 1000 times more intelligent and humorous too, without making themselves look ugly and pathetic.
Sqid101 4 years ago
Another drooling psychotic peice of shit on feet with the mentality of a kindergarten bully -- another typical opera fan.
Take your hatred and envy somewhere else, looney. We have heard it all before: over and over again. It gets very tedious.
Sqid101 4 years ago
'I meant "soppy and limp".' Oh, I see. You are mistaking Bryn Terfel's version of Amazing Grace for Hayley's. Or Renee Fleming's pathetic attempts at popular material. For an opera fan to talk about someone like Westenra being "soppy and limp" is the ultimate in absurdity. It is exactly because the crossover singers are not so pathetically mawkish and falsely sentimental as opera that they are so popular.
Sqid101 4 years ago 5
"drooling psychotic peice of shit on feet with the mentality of a kindergarten bully" - look in the mirror you freak! Are you a failed singer or something? Let it go!!! Sad...so very very sad.
Operaphile 4 years ago
Yes it is sad. And it is just so bloody tedious. You let it go. Let it go. Your continued attacks on these singers and anyone who you imagine enjoys their music is pathological. What is it about them that terrifies you so much? I am tempted to email the youth choir and ask them if the attitude you have expressed about singing with Westenra is shared by the management and many other members. I regret supporting them in the past and won't do it again.
Sqid101 4 years ago 3
You came here to bully, to make trouble, and to wound. Why you loathe these crossover kids so much I haven't quite worked out. I think they simply expose the fallacies the "Art" music world is based on.
Sqid101 4 years ago 3
I have known people who were childish and stupid, who were bullies, who were irremissibly arrogant and up themselves, but I had never met any group of people who combined all these attributes to an extraodinary degree until I came across the opera fans here and the purist critics.
What excuse do you have pussball? Were you born a psychotic, childish bully, or has all this opera addled your brain? I'm not a singer... the one thing we have in common I suppose.
Sqid101 4 years ago 3
She's gonna make it big time!
Go Lizzie!!
yurijakob 4 years ago
Absolutely brillant. Look forward to seeing Elizabeth take the world by storm!
StephanyKong 4 years ago 2