The Stonehenge Conspiracy (Old Version)

[vsaffings]

In every stone building culture and monuments theres always a quarry near by or somewhere to be located. the Pyramids have a quarry area even Easter Island Moai have a quarry area as a proof of the origin of the stones. But in stonehenge theres nothing to be found.

[hootyhaha]

The Pyramids, Easter Island, all the amazing structures in the day that confuse people.. it all makes sense. Giants.

Genesis 6:3-5 - The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went to the daughters of humans and had children by them. They were the heroes of old, men of renown.

Numbers 13:32-33 - We saw the Nephilim there (the descendants of Anak come from the Nephilim). We seemed like grasshoppers in our own eyes, and we looked the same to them.”

[fliegeroh]

It's so cool because it's 4,500 years old.

[plasingli]

Well, it's prehistoric, and since there are no written records of why or how it was built, all we can do is speculate. And what an industry this speculation has created!!

[6996k09669]

its man made for sure and the knowledge of this died out so thats why everyone wonders how they got there.

[peoplesAssembly]

Note howq the heel stone looks like a buried foot

[plasingli]

@peoplesAssembly

OK -- noted. But what is the supposed significance of this?

[oishiininja]

Fascinating :D

[plasingli]

Lots of new posts on my blog "Stonehenge Thoughts". If you are interested, take a look -- all comments welcome...

[plasingli]

Thanks for those remarks, Sonofherne. As I keep on saying, the word "bluestone" should never have been invented -- the number of different lithologies covered by this umbrella term is now up to 25 or more, and going up all the time........

[plasingli]

If you look at the stones they are actually all shapes and sizes -- I reckon they used whatever stones they could find that were approx OK for the job. And I also think they ran out of stones and then gave up on the task. Nobody has ever shown me any evidence that Stonehenge was actually finished. As to lifting the lintels, that shouldn't be a problem with ramps and levers and maybe ropes. They had known how to do that, after long experience of building dolmens.

[sonofherne]

I think you're on the right track. They all vary in size and length, they compensated for getting them level on top by digging holes for the stones down to different depths. The stones were far more widespread over the plains than now, and varied in size & quality. They picked them also for their weird shape. Naturally sarsen occur pretty oblong, but these have been purposely shaped, wheras most circles are unworked stone. There's evidence Stonehenge was not completed also.

[plasingli]

Thanks for this. I agree -- the stones are VERY variable in dimensions -- both the sarsens and the bluestones. They look like a more or less random collection -- rather than the "carefully chosen" assemblage that the literature would have us believe in.

[sonofherne]

I'm on the fence with the whole bluestone human transport idea. I think a certain amount came from around the S.Wales area. Rest were random erratics and can be found on the tips of Cornwall. If bluestone was so highely prized as they claim we'd find more circles with bluestone in them. The SH bluestones are a random bunch. 4 different varieties. The myth that has arisen from them, especially being in anyway healing, is a little bogus. Monmouth was actually talking of the larger sarsens.

[sammydaleo]

I'm hearing you. However, if you look from the 'Altar Stone', it looks like they're all the same size, suggesting that they were built for that effect for someone looking from there. Which, in turn, suggests a very carefully chosen assemblage.

[pheneviox]

biggest problem i have with stonhenge is A: how did the rocks get shaped how the are? B: i understand how they could lift rock and put them vertically but how the fuck did they get one more on top of the two verticall fucking stones that are prusumably lifted... a fucking crane!!!!!!

[plasingli]

... and in the true spirit of scientific discovery, I'm waiting for somebody to come along and disprove my "glacial erratic" theory and some of the other points in the video. Nobody has come up with anything so far -- and I reckon my working hypothesis still stands as the simplest hypothesis that accords with the greatest number of facts.

[plasingli]

Hi Mercury. Thanks for the comments. i suspect it's always difficult when you have a hypothesis and seek to fit evidence from far and wide into it, in order to verify it. I prefer the falsification route myself -- after Karl Popper. That's why I'm going after the "healing stones" hypothesis........

[mercury337]

Thanks for posting your video by the way. :o)

[mercury337]

Do you think that SH is an isolated issue? I ve read the comments on how orthodoxed archeologists and believers of two camps are slowing down the discovery process. Well since im thousands of miles away and I really didnt have any interest in SH until my research brought me to it, as an outsider, I see how the thinking box is very little and constricted in one little location with the same theories revolving around the same rhetoric.

[mercury337]

I know, the evidence right? Allow me to ramble on until i can personally put my findings together on youtube. i havnt found a good video that proves what im saying so ill make one.

[mercury337]

I dont bother with dates but rather look at the timeline based on geological shifts around the earth and how human consciousness shifted as well. Conciousness of the past is not recordable but you can see it through art and the science from other culures that occured simultaneously around the globe. Sacred geometry also leads me to believe that there was a higher purpose than just looking at SH as an observatory or a very heavy time piece or a place of worship...

[mercury337]

Lol. Yes, that little thing called evidence does make alot of sense. My motives come from geophysical findings, cultural patterns in astrology both past and present, ancient texts found particularly in India, and South America, archeology, sociology, and last but not least, art history.

[mercury337]

Another idea is that perhaps humans at the time was so in tuned with astro physics that they learned how to communicate around the world with other cultures for trade, exchange of ideas, tourism, or political purposes to control the masses. they used stonehenge as a sublte energy transport that could link the minds of well tuned priests or higher class to do this. since the age was neo lithic in nature, not everyone had the ability to do this so the lower cast ended up worshipping instead.

[plasingli]

I suppose anything is possible, if you have enough faith to believe it. But it might be best, for the time being, to stick to that little thing called EVIDENCE.......

[mercury337]

Has anyone conceived the idea that stonehenge may have been a platform form for a higher structure perhaps made out of wood material that stood, maybe, a hundred feet?

[plasingli]

Did anybody see the Time Team programme? It had some interesting material in it, but it was pretty banal, with huge amounts of repetition, and it needed a good 20 mins to be chopped off it. Mike P-P made some interesting points by way of speculation, only to find that the producer and commentator (Tony Robinson) immediately flagged them up as "spectacular new facts and findings." Has TV entirely lost the art of producing decent documentaries?

[plasingli]

Blog now online. My occasional blog entitled "Stonehenge thoughts" is now online and is turning up in the search engines. Just go to Google and type in "Stonehenge Thoughts" and up it will come. Feel free to join the debate, which will probably be reinvigorated with the showing of a Time Team Special on Stonehenge on Channel 4 tonight. I wonder of it will make any more sense than the BBC Timewatch special back in the autumn?

[plasingli]

The info in this video is rather brief, so I have just started a blog under the title "Stonehenge Thoughts". This will examine some of the ideas presented in the video in more detail, and will give others the chance to respond. Watch this space...

[plasingli]

I's agree with that, Brontovox. If (as I believe) the bluestones were carried by ice to the vicinity of Stonehenge, and the sarsens were collected up in the vicinity as well, that removes the need for complex long-distance transport and civil engineering operations involving Neolithic tribes. But Stonehenge is nonetheless hugely impressive -- if nothing else, as a testament to man's inventiveness, courage and sheer bloody-mindedness!

[BrontovoxCoUk]

The truth will come out in the end. SOLA VIRTUS INVICTA.

From my own discoveries relating to the sarsen use as an observatory, with alignments that had not previously been recognised, I have an even deeper respect for those who concieved and built it.

When the world knows this, it should draw even more visitors to this unique place. Those concerned with commercial aspects need not worry.

It is still a remarkable achievement whether the stones were moved a short distance or a long distance.

[plasingli]

Then there is the commercial side to all of this. The human transport theory -- and the traditional tale of how Stonehenge was built and how the stones were moved -- underpins a multi-million pound industry. And now there is an even bigger push to "sell" Stonehenge, with the London Olympics on the horizon. So the story is repeated ad infinitum -- with ever-increasing certainty -- because it is a very nice little earner. In these hard times, who wants to place all of that at risk?!!

[BrontovoxCoUk]

In my book there is a chapter "Moving the Stones". It was written before "The Stonehenge Enigma" was published, and so assumes human transport. In particular I examined possible routes of the sarsens from near Marlborough. I have found evidence of part of the route, but would need archaeological investigation to prove it. It is testable! Why have I received no response? There are plenty of unemployed archaeologists, surely they should be keen to investigate a possible route?

[plasingli]

There is a powerful orthodoxy here -- and it's very difficult to break it down because the current crop of archaeologists have deeply entrenched views. Maybe the two camps -- the Parker - Pearson camp (Stonehenge, burials and ancestor worship) and the Darvill/Wainwright camp (Stonehenge as healing centre) -- already have their work cut out arguing with each other -- hence no time for theories proposed by people they consider to be outsiders or eccentrics....

[BrontovoxCoUk]

Good point. If they are expending their energy attacking each other, then maybe they have little time for others.

I regard Stonehenge as not just a scientific instrument, but also associated with death and the transition to an after life in the skies. This neatly bridges the gap between areas we now consider separate, namely science and religion. It is likely that they would not partition their ideas in this way. I am currently writing a sequel: "Stonehenge Religion", to illustrate this.

[BrontovoxCoUk]

Correction:

My post should have referred to "The Bluestone Enigma" not "The Stonehenge Enigma".

It should be required reading.

[BrontovoxCoUk]

"Stonehenege Astronomical Observatory" is available via the Lulu print on demand website.

[BrontovoxCoUk]

I have sent copies of by book "Stonehenge Astronomical Observatory" to several prominent archaeologists, but have received no response. If they wish to continue with the human transport theory, they should at least be willing to look for real evidence. Why the lack of response? Maybe they are uncomfortable with non-archaeologists tackling the matter.

[plasingli]

Maybe they are scared too!! There are lots of senior academics out there who have argued the orthodox line so forcefully over the years that they probably feel that their reputations will be damaged beyond repair, should the glacial transport theory prevail. So they are determined to maintain and even elaborate on the human transport idea, largely for reasons of self-esteem, whatever the geological evidence might show.

[sonofherne]

The SH bluestones are far to erratic & mixed to have been specially picked outt.Some even were not big enough & had to be placed on plinths under the ground to get the correct height.They had to have been on the plains.I think the sarsens weren't brought all the 22 miles either.Established stories have dodgey validity, like the supposed posts in the aubrey holes. No evidence ever existed for wooden posts there. Instead, a previous unknown stone setting is far more likely with new evidence.

[plasingli]

Yes, agree with all of that. there are now more than 20 different locations confirmed for the "erratic" material at Stonehenge -- and still some source areas are to be identified. We have to be looking here at an assemblage of glacial erratics -- surely not even the most hardened "human transport" enthusiast can still believe that these stones were deliberately collected by Neolithic tribesmen from sites as far afield as Preseli, the North Pembs coast, Carningli and the Brecon Beacons?

[sonofherne]

SH is unique in many ways,but Burl indicated that no other circle has stone which has come much farther than 20 miles away. Certainly not over 200 miles and from the mountains. The Bowls Barrow bluestone was already on the plain from an early time. A lot of scared cows are having to be rewritten. It takes nothing away from the people's accomplishments to think they might have scavenged them from 10-30 miles away, instead of 200. Keep digging ...

[sonofherne]

scared cows? What a dick. I of course meant *sacred!* LoL

[BrontovoxCoUk]

I have read "The Bluestone Enigma" and can recommend it. The theory of glacier transport is well argued, with clear diagrams and colour photographs.

This poses a serious challenge to archaeologists, who must surely now search for evidence of human transport if they are to continue with that theory.

My own theory regarding the third phase of Stonehenge is that it was primarily an astronomical observatory. Watch "Stonehenge Astronomical Observatory". Stonehenge is the work of a true genius!

[plasingli]

Thanks for that. Picture and sound quality is a bit rough -- haven't quite got the hang of this YouTube technology yet. But I've tried to base the content solidly on evidence (all in the published literature) rather than on fantasy and archaeological orthodoxy. So I'm pretty sure of my ground. If anybody wants to challenge what I say, let them produce their evidence for us to look at......

[RumbleRedUK]

Interesting musings. I was interested to see the results of efforts by modern henge-thusiasts to move a bluestone all that distance. The glacial courier theory could certainly hold some truth in it. Good vid.