How are you supposed to say "go fuck yourself, policy makers, you're simply wrong on this issue!" if you can thus be arrested for siding with crime... If it applies this wide, how is this any different from a disagreement of policy?
We need a system that'll actually strike down on corruption aswell.
cant you keep your negative comments to yourself, lee? i KNOW you can keep a positive news feed going to all of your viewers. not to say that you would lose alot of your conservative viewers, seeing as how they are hateful people! ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeaaaaa!
@USAGymnast damn right Germany jailed people for destructing history and sending propaganda among the people of Germany that denied the Holocaust. My God, Nazi Germany killed around 6 million innocent people and how many Americans died for this cause? Shame on you for being such an unpatriotic American that disgraces the "greatest generation" in American history. Germany will not tolerate lies and propagande (like that that started WWII) again in their history.
Oh yeah one more thing. America lists 37th on the world list France is 1st, has public health care. Italy 2nd has public health care. San marino is 3rd has public health care. Andorra is 4th has public health care...the list goes on and on Netherlands, Britain, Germany, Japan, Norway, Sweden ALL have public health care ALL fare BETTER than the US. I might have been wrong on fs but this is just for a FACT (photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html)
@Fangornmmc soooooo....you aren't gonna dispute the john stosel part of my video proving that mocumentary by moor completely false? your just gonna babble on and on about social medicine aren't you.why dont you admit who you are? are you afraid? here is a hint folks ""The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program"- ronald reagan.i can address your points but why should i? you wont address mine.
@thebackbencher666 No I am not going to dispute your arguments, perhaps you are right and I am wrong, or perhaps its the other way around. Either way let me explain to you why I am a socialist, I am a socialist because I believe that it is in the nature of man to help one another. Socialism to me is about caring and sharing, you may view it otherwise, I do not care...If I lay mortally wounded on your doorstep I trust you'd help me even if you knew it was me, I'd do the same for you. Peace.
@Fangornmmc The problem with your views is that the society we live in is a complex inter-related society of 7 billion people. How can man help each other if man is not able to possess the infinite information required to help the whole of society by distributing resources? This is why those in the name of socialism have done the opposite of what they intended to do. Capitalism is moral because it places individual choice and private property as the bed-rock. It is a matter of principles.
@Fangornmmc You can talk about the Europe with its general welfare system, but Europe lacks the open and dynamic economy that the United States possesses. This is why Americans earn higher incomes, have higher material standard of living and why the United States is still considered the land of opportunities more so than Europe. The US prizes on the idea of private profits and private losses. The second part is important but its what encourages and drives that American work ethic.
@Fangornmmc The important thing to acknowledge is that you do not want to judge a system based on its intentions and goals, you want to judge a system based on the incentives it creates. This an important distinction that factors in the human condition and if you reason through it, you'll see that socialism is a system that creates many bad incentives in the name of sharing and caring.
@GunsNRosesbitches Well, I support the idea, but I admit fully and completely that most if not all attempts at socialism have been flawed or failed. Most have turned in to dictatorship. Still, the idea of socialism in my ears is not something to be feared and I believe it can work if executed properly, perhaps a smaller scale is required. As far as judging goes, I try to stay away from judging as much as I can, and I fail often, I know that I don't know...(socrates) I hold to that ;)
@Fangornmmc Hunter-gatherer societies were, what Marx called them, a primitive communist society. They were a small group of human beings that "labored" cooperatively in order to survive. Cooperation, sharing and caring were very important in those societies. But we do not live in that world anymore. We live in a complex inter-related world of 7 billion people, whom rely on a very different mechanism of creating social harmony. The economic system is now guided by impersonal market forces.
@Fangornmmc Socialism won't work effectively in a world where 7 billion people are cooperating via a mechanism that guides economic activities in a very impersonal way. The market forces, the price mechanism etc, are the signals that coordinate economic activities. These signals are not just signals, but rather they reflect the wants and needs of society as a whole, and by guiding economic activities according to these signals, we achieve the just distribution of resources as best as we can.
@Fangornmmc Therefore, despite that capitalism creates serious inequality, and despite the apparent paradox that is about to be followed, capitalism achieves "just" distribution far better than any economic system that have been tried, including those in the name of sharing and caring. Capitalism is a system of powerful incentives, not a system based on utopian ideology. Incentives matter more than intentions and goals. Knowing the incentives a system creates, one can predict the results.
@KittenKoder If you really want some fun... ask a liberal what kind of economic system allows property to be owned, but the government controls markets, and prices. They literally can't hear themselves say it.It's creepy, but funny.
@KittenKoder Capitalism by it's nature victimizes the weak or un-educated therefore it creates inequality by it's very nature. The government didn't do it, Banks and finacial institutions are responsible for the mess, going back to 1913 in USA and 1930 IN Canada they have been charging us interest on money they don't really have in the vault. In other words they are chrging us interest and getting very wealthy buy charging interest on money thats already ours in the first place.
@GunsNRosesbitches Most people just want to live in peace and safety so capitalism fails miserably. Capitalism means opportunity and innovation but it also means the weak and vulnerable get left out in the cold. I prefer Capitalism but I also like socialism for things like basic medical care and basic housing. I can't fully support a system that victimizes anyone who can't or won't play the game
@Fangornmmc Socialism works fine in Sweden but there's no guarntee it will work elsewhere because the Swedish success is because of attitude. You can't have socialism in USA because people are too greedy and don't seem to care about the weak or vulnerable people. I like capitalism but the iniquity is just too much, the corporations are running our lives and the government allows them to essentially rob us blind. Few Canadians know that Canadian money is issued by private banks for example
@Fangornmmc This is because of the inaccessibility of US healthcare for millions of Americans. But remember, most Americans do have healthcare, private and public healthcare. When it comes to cutting-edge technology, emergency care and specialists...the US is #1 easily.
@GunsNRosesbitches Hmm, I wouldn't know, I haven't researched whether or not that is true myself. If I rely on what I think is true then, you could be right. Still I wonder how much use all this technology is if not everyone can benefit from it (when in need of it).
@Fangornmmc The problem with US healthcare is that consumers have very limited options and do not see the costs of healthcare services because insurance pays for them. This makes healthcare something that is not really subject to market forces and consumer choice. This is why I feel American healthcare is so damn expensive because there is no downward pressure on healthcare costs. I believe in a more market-based consumer-driven healthcare system. This will create downward pressure on costs.
@cerritoboy noyoudont have the right as an employee of the us government to leak itssecrets endangering troops on the battlefield especially if your dumbenough to give to an organization that is going to edit what you give them to make their case.the famous collateral murder video was heavily edited.the full video has been released.why dontyou take a look at that.oh and by the way you dont have the freedom to grow your hair long,not wear your uniform correctly,or punch female officers in the fac
@thebackbencher666 im not sure if you know that but bradley manning did punch a female officer in the face.look it up.when your in the military and are in uniform you cant even publicly bash the president.whats make you think you have the freedom to leak information?
Yea dude, we all want to see pictures of a dead extremist that will end all the conspiracy theories in the same way the photos of Elvis and 2 pac eliminated conspiracies. The U of Mich must be embarrassed by your videos. (signed 2004 Buckeye alumni)
Obama must apologize to South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson (R) personally. Great video Lee, carry on smartly ! Germany free bwahahahah, My East Berlin escapee friend told me the only difference between Hitler Germany and post ww2 is that Hitler was dead. Same Government, same laws, no freedoms. You cannot mention Hitler by name for fear of JAIL ! If you smoke a cig in your car you go to JAIL !
uh i need to touch on a few things; that birth certificate is HEAVILY modified- its in damn layers. If they just said it was for clarity then it would cut down the conspiracies as well- but they aren't saying that. I never paid ANY attention to that subject until i saw that document (i don't think he wasn't born in the USA or whatever im just saying its annoyingly modified) also its higher then what they say it is.
Well just another example of how Lee doesnt really know how the world works. The debate in Germany wasnt from a jugde it was from Christian religious leaders that where questioning about if you should be happy over the death of another human being. I am an american living in Germany and dont agree with the idea that America is just simply better (very ignorant viewpoint), Germany has in many ways a much better sense of freedom, equality, and values than in the U.S.A.
@2bpilot As an example we have a pretty unique "press support". This means that anyone who wants to start a paper here can get significant financial aid from the government to get started (and keep going), regardless of what you will be writing about. Example: party Y is in power and I want to start a paper named "Anti Y!", the Y-government would still pay for the expenses I have to start this new paper - just to promote free speech. This exists to prevent something like the Berlusconi-syndrome.
dissolve welfare, medicaid and food stamps and give EVERYONE a tax-credit (that runs positive meaning the government pays out to earners less than X amount).
here's an idea Lee, the government never killed Osama, hes been dead for years. You'll never convince me that the world's most wanted "terrorist" was alive for 10 years with both of his kidneys completely failed. WAKE UP LEE I LOVE YOU MAN, BUT YOU GOTTA WAKE UP AND SEE THIS BS.
@2bpilot (ok, repost to you as well) In order of last years ranking on the international democracy index then (it's almost as accurate on ranking free speech)... Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, Finland, Switzerland, Canada and the Netherlands. The US comes in at nr 17. So don't believe the hype that "the US is the freest country in the world" - I'm from Sweden but I used to live in the US (college), and I can promise you that Sweden is more free than the US.
@72strand ... no, flag burning is protected speech ... IIRC, the supreme court ruled on it. The only way you might get arrested for burning a flag is if you needed a permit in a given municipality to burn *anything* on public land ... even then you'd be getting arressed just for burning something rather than specifically for burning the flag.
Lee could you discuss the rise of gas prices and removal of big oil tax cuts and it's affect. How could removing tax cuts motivate oil companies to lower prices?
I know i'm not Lee, but perhaps I can help explain. Taxes on companies reduce their profit margins. There are a few ways companies can make up for the profit loss due to taxes: reduce the pay of their employees, or raise the price on their products. Of course, they won't reduce employee pay for obvious reasons, so they increase the price on their oil naturally. So without taxes they won't need to increase their oil prices and will be forced to lower prices in order to stay competitive.
@OddRobb Well thanks I know all of this I just would like Lee to go through the logic of how with the purposed removal of 'tax cuts' from big oil (costing big oil more money) we can expect a drop in gas prices to drop 75 cents per gallon... Democrats are talking about taking the tax CUTs away from big oil so that makes me think the price of gas will only go up
Oh I misunderstood. The proposed elimination of those tax deductions would likely reduce supplies and increase prices in the years ahead by discouraging investment in domestic production of oil and natural gas. So companies get tax deductions for sell and manufacturing in the US. As said before, it will become more expensive to operate and their increased prices would stifle growth and their competitiveness abroad. So prices would NOT drop at all. But id like to hear Lee's thoughts too
Huckabee is a better communicator than Cain. I love Cain, incredible guy with an inspiring story and business experience, but I would rather have a Governor. Just me, I am open to changing my mind.
To take on Obama, one of the most likeable Presidents in history, the GOP needs a stellar communicator. Remains to be seen if Huckabee is that guy, but if he does as well as he did last time around communicating his message, he might be able to do it.
I saw that debate and I saw Frank Luntz interview that group. I would love to see Herman Cain. He will definitely make progress.
Gas prices are supposed to drop by as much as 50 cents per gallon by the summer, due to a stronger dollar and some deal that occurred. I've noticed the price of gas per barrell is at around 98 dollars a barrell.
On one of the press briefings someone did in fact ask what they were looking at in the situation room; the press secretary said they were "getting updates" but that he couldn't disclose any more information.
Wow you are ignorant... the US has "the most free speech" in the world? Get real, there are at least 10 countries that have much more rigorous free speech than the US.
@Lukefromdayton OK, in order of last years ranking on the international democracy index then (it's almost as accurate on ranking free speech)... Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, Finland, Switzerland, Canada and the Netherlands. The US comes in at nr 17. So don't believe the hype that "the US is the freest country in the world" - I'm from Sweden but I used to live in the US (college), and I can promise you that Sweden is more free than the US.
First, Al Qaeda admited that Osama is dead. Is that not proof to you? Second you don't even talk about unemployment until the last 1 minute of the video. You use total straw man arguements in ever single one of your video.
@henrikroxs whats a straw man argument? that the obama administration keeps changing their story(18 times)? did you just read or overhear the term straw man and decided to use it? you in no way pointed to the specific straw man argument because you dont really know what the term means or how to properly use it.define lees straw man argument please.(for the record he never said he didnt believe he was dead but then again...well ill stop now.)
LEE: Unemployment at 9% (the real unemployment rate is much higher) can be good & bad according to the antique media, it depends on who is in office. I agree that photos of Bin Laden's corpse should be released.
We may have freedom of speech, but our right to privacy has been destroyed over the past ten years. Unfortunately there are a lot of countries out there that have stronger privacy rights than the USA.
@pqwilrj really? so taking the rico statures and using them against terrorists is a bad idea? not only is it a good idea it should have been done pre 911.
@thebackbencher666 I'm talking about things like airport scanners, gropings (neither of which would have stopped the 9/11 hijackers), CIPAV, PATRIOT Act, and a host of other things that allows the government to abuse law-abiding citizens. "The man who'd trade his liberty for a safe and dreamless sleep doesn't deserve the both of them, and neither shall he keep."
@pqwilrj im referring to the patriot act.i could care less about airport scanners. pat downs and racial profiling of muslim men epically from unstable islamic countries would have stopped 911(yes patting down granny is stupid)
im seeing tons of leftists all overyoutube go with this line lately "the first amendment/2nd is great but we dont have jobs/healthcare/privacy rights" i dont know who told you this is a logical argument for anything but its not.your the third person to do that.
Well the birth certificate is a damned fraud, as is obvious by the numerous YT videos showing the changes that occurred on the document. As for bin Laden's death, I have no doubt that he's been executed. Illegal? hardly.
If Osama "was" Assassinated it is not ILLEGAL Period.Anyone who disagrees, point me to a Constitutional or State Law that Prohibits the Killing of a Enemy Agent actively targeting Americans or Our Allies for Death.Osama was a Free Agent a TERRORIST and by his own actions,was and forever will be outside the Geneva Convention and hes never worn or acted on behalf of a Country or Military that has Signed the Geneva Convention. He forfeited any Human Rights Protections by Murdering Civilians.Get it?
simply better.... in one aspect. you seem to speak like this one thing makes your country better, end of story. think about this for a minute, you will understand why this is naive.
@xentech America is better for all kinds of reasons. America was founded with its principles and ideals largely on the basis that Europe is broken. Sorry.
Lee why I do agree we need oil independence and the gov't with its monstrous withholdings of American Drilling or Free market prices effects our gas, look at the US dollar and compare it to Oil, As the Dollar goes down, Oil rises in Price, a good way the Gov't could help in this situation is hold off on excessive inflation. Its not helping the situation.
A correction to your gas price comment: Actually gas prices are really low at this time, its the US dollar that's gone down, not gas prices going up. Back in 2000 you could buy 3 gallons of gas for 1oz of silver. Today you can buy 12. So relative to silver (real money) gas is only 1/4 as expensive as in 2000. The US dollar is collapsing, that should be the news but few want to acknowledge it.
@cristoballs Doesn't matter. Silver and gold are real money - have been throughout human history. Its the fiat dollar that's going down and that's why everything looks like its getting more expensive (relative to the USD). If you view commodity prices relative to REAL money, things are actually getting cheaper. The problem is, almost nobody HAS real money.
@Recon777x that still doesn't explain why gas prices have risen so sharply, when compared to other goods and services. yes, we all know the dollar is being devalued. that's a given. but shouldn't the rise in the price of gas be consistent with the rise in the price of everything else we buy?
@cristoballs Ah. Well that's probably because gas prices respond immediately to economic changes, where other commodities have a delayed response due to supply chain movements. Or perhaps the gas prices have been suppressed (like silver) artificially, and that suppression suddenly ended. There's many factors as to why prices shift suddenly. But you can expect a LOT more of this coming up. I pay $6/gal where I live. Enjoy your prices while they last!!
i agree free speech is a valuable right. But, be honest here. I rather live in a country with limited free speech (Merkel is only being caught on this because she is a VIP) but with health care in which I can't bleed to death on the street even if I do not have the money to pay for all the surgery. That is Germany, I am not German but Dutch and I strongly believe that altough Free speech is a important right it causes more trouble than it resolves, now face your real demon, health care.
@Fangornmmc Limited free speech is not an option in a truly free country. Who is to decide what you are allowed to say? And what the fuck does health care have to do with free speech?
@Fangornmmc it causes more trouble then it resolves? please please expound on that cause im sure you want a state run system for healthcare while at the same time not being a big fan of the first amendment.i smell a brown shirted drone.
Well freedom of speech is quite dubious on itself. There is this undefinable edge between giving your opinion and insulting others. All I am saying is that I care more about a healthcare system that does not rely on funds but that is funded by the govt. itself. People give money to the govt. via taxes and when people are injured the govt. pays for them. "Sicko" might have been a bit dramatised but it illustrates my point.
@Fangornmmc no there is no definable edge between giving your opinion and insulting others.its called freedom. i know this is a novel concept for you.you have the right to insult whomever you want.freedom of speech wasnt created to protect speech that everyone agrees with.quite the contrary.speech that is accepted does not need protection.it is precisely un popular speech/insults swearing etc that need protection.your not winning any over to your side of any argument when you dont believe in fs
@Fangornmmc and all me and lee are saying that it is much better to have a system of government where one is allowed to make enough money so they can do what they want instead of having the government which other then war (which by the way involves death and destruction of property...the only real thing it sometimes gets right) is proven to be utterly useless be in charge of ones health.
@Fangornmmc i think those viewing our conversation have to take note that you in defense of national healhcare are dancing around whether free speech is really that important or should exist plus you use as your basis a self admitted flawed documentary.where are the legs to your arguments?
@thebackbencher666 Well to quote you: " ..a self admitted flawed documentary.." like you said I base myself on that documentary and the evidence provide therein. You call this "flawed" I think, therefore, you are the one that should come up with a valid argument to prove to me why its flawed or even worse..."self admitted flawed". Also I base this on experience. Independ of how rich or poor I am or will be, in my country I will never have to worry about health care EVER. How's that?
@Fangornmmc my response as to how mister moors video is flawd is in video form...its a response to this video...look below and you will see a video entitled ronald reagan reviews Michal moors sicko...on a side note i have no idea how you twisted this into being on me to prove to you something you said was true but i will indulge you...
@Fangornmmc to quote you ""Sicko" might have been a bit dramatised but it illustrates my point." define "a bit dramatized" ladies and gentleman what weve got is some one who supports national healthcare based on a documentary that is in his own words is "a bit dramatized" and will at times bash the first amendment to get there.is this the kind of thinking you follow folks?
@thebackbencher666 [p1]I think a government should care for it's people...for ALL of it's people, regardless of their income or social status. That's what healthcare should do, extremely simple and in my eyes extremely logical. With the current system people simply die because they can't afford care. What we've got here is a fellow that allows people to get killed whilst there is a far better and fairer alternative. Also with public health care you won't pay $23000 for one operation
@thebackbencher666 [p2] but instead of $23000 per operation you'll pay..say $120 per person per month, I don't know the exact figures I must admit. Also I said I based it on experience, obviously you ignored that but let me give you an example. If I get overun by a car today will I later have to sell half of my household to pay for the medical suregeries and so? Hell no! I just pay, like everyone, a simple monthly fee. If I feel sick I can go to the doctor anytime without extra costs.
@thebackbencher666 [p3] That's what I support, to me that's what I've grown up with. "My" system doesn't kill yours does, how hard is to figure which one's better? And as far as freedom of speech is concerned (which I am aware of Americans get all freaked out about once you note it's disadvantages) I DO support freedom of speech but it is inherently dubious. I don't think racism should for example be tolerated yet that is a certain form of free speech, same with nazism...see the point?
@ANGRYMAPLE Bradley manning illegally gave out highly sensitive classified military materiel during a time of war with the intent of harming the national security of our country.being a thief and an agitator does not automatically make one a free speech advocate.he should be executed by firing squad for treason.
As Aristotle said Goverment needs to go further than just maintainig rights or providing a good business climate. It needs to enrich it's citizens lives. But somehow from our previous conversations i don't think you'll agree with me there.
it's: "A state's purpose is not merely to provide a living but to make a life that is good"; otherwise, he comments. "it might be made up of slaves or animals other than man,"
@manyardmurlson If there is a philosophical Atlas who carries the whole of Western civilization on his shoulders, it is Aristotle. He has been opposed, misinterpreted, misrepresented, and—like an axiom—used by his enemies in the very act of denying him. Whatever intellectual progress men have achieved rests on his achievements.
@manyardmurlson For Aristotle, the good life is one of personal self-fulfillment. Man should enjoy the values of this world. Using his mind to the fullest, each man should work to achieve his own happiness here on earth. And in the process he should be conscious of his own value. Pride, writes Aristotle—a rational pride in oneself and in one’s moral character—is, when it is earned, the “crown of the virtues.”A proud man does not negate his own identity.
Come on this again? You know I don't think the friuts are justly youres.
Some people are born with talents considered usefull by their society. In ancient sparta bieng the strongest in 16th spain pious ect. But the talents are no more there own doing than wether there gay or straight. Therefore people don't deserve what they get. The Nazis didn't gain power in a functioning democracy (voter intimidation). Zimbawbe's not a democracy. I don't know what natural rights from nature are?
because the best way to govern is to allow the majority to decide, within a basic framework of a fallible constatution that can be changed if there is enough of a consensus.
The problem with liberatarianism is that it allows, excuses and justifies massive poverty, inequality and horrible life for all but a tiny minority of people who have the wealth and consequently power.
Furthermore it blocks any way to reform itself by zealously adering to principls laid down hundereds of years ago.
@manyardmurlson Are you serious? You've gone off the deep end.
Look throughout history, and you'd see the middle class generally did not exist UNTIL government's power was lessened. Big government concentrated the wealth and power to a few. In the case of Democracy, the majority decided how to govern Zimbabwe, how's that turned out?
Of course Constitutions are fallible, and it's mind boggling that you'd try to claim something written by a human has flaws, in order to justify your position.
@manyardmurlson Everything, really, you've simply hurt my brain.
You've argued that mob rule is the best rule, that natural rights are defined by a government and not, well, nature, and you argued that the Nazis didn't use the Democratic process to seize power. These are simply, nontruths.
@manyardmurlson On the point of a "standard of living", the vast majority of people would agree with you, even hard right wingers like myself. HOWEVER, you are defining this as a RIGHT. Charity is not a right. No one is entitled to the justly earned fruits of one's labor. You are making a horrible intellectual jump between what is proper, and what is a right.
It is a right to keep the fruits of one's labor. If they decide others could be better served by these fruits, this is charity. Simple.
First of all I'm not a liberal and we should have a minimum wage because society should have a certain standard of living that none of it's citizens fall below.
All the "mobs" or political parties as grownups call them above 1% and other than the nationalists where central or left wing and anti nazi. I'm not against constatutions but they are fallible. For example the 1992 russian constatutoion just reflects mob rule of that time. same for youres.
If the other mobs had wanted to unite and defeat hitler they could have. therefore democracy did not fail.
I'm talking about a minimum wage say $10 per hour. Not you het 20k for doing nothing.
It varies on nation of birth because that is what each country has decided. If the people of Belgium think people should get $4 per hour and those of Uruguay $15 per hour it's to them AS NATIONS AND SOCIETIES.
Furthermore you havn't given any critique of my comment below.
@manyardmurlson The comment about speculators? Go see what happened when speculation was banned on onions, if anything the price fluctuation became more extreme. There's no conspiracy on prices.
Jesus Christ, are you the b-team of liberal debating? Be a challenge. You have NOT DEFINED A RIGHT TO A MINIMUM WAGE. You are defining an arbitrary point. People do not have a right to charity, and people don't magically make more money because a bureaucrat waves a magic wand.
@manyardmurlson And even if the other mobs, for some weird reason, banded together despite vast political differences and goals to form one faction against the Nazis, that's no guarantee they'd a) beat the Nazis, or b) that another extremist faction wouldn't pop up. Mob rule is a downfall to society. Republican forms of government, w/ Constitutional limits to their power, have proven themselves to be the best at protecting liberty, promoting growth, and improving the lives of the little man.
@manyardmurlson And also, you use all-caps like you just drove home a point, but it still begs the question as to why if 51% of people in Uruguay want everyone to make a minimum salary of $30,000 / yr (anyone making less gets a check for the difference), why then they are allowed to take from those making $30,001 or more to achieve this goal? Your idea of "free money" is as meaningless as the idea of "free health care". Why are people, by country, more entitled to these "rights" than others?
The problem with liberatarianism is that it allows, excuses and justifies massive poverty, inequality and horrible life for all but a tiny minority of people who have the wealth and consequently power.
Furthermore it blocks any way to reform itself by zealously adering to principls laid down hundereds of years ago.
When you say "WE" saw the constatution had failed and ammened it arn't you advocating mob rule. Also you didn't explain ever japanese interment or native american land grabs.
The Nazis "won" in very unfair elections. Also he didn't win the majority of the people of germany. if the other parties had united they could have stoped him.
A constatution is really preserving the "mob rule" of a group of people at a certain time. Then saying it's infallible.
@manyardmurlson How do you know that the Nazis wouldn't have gotten 50.1% or more had there been one alliance of parties v. the Nazis? The DNVP was aligned w/ the Nazis anyway.
And that's a horrifically meaningless statement. The purpose of a Constitution is to define the role of government. The Bill of Rights limited the government from infringing on the individual. The Bill of Rights protects individuals, no matter what direction political tides turn. Please read a history book.
The constatution limits the power of majorities but consider who created it. It was just whoever had the most power and influence at the time. Furthermore how can it be perfect when it continued slavery, didn't give women the vote ect.
And did it even protect indaviduals and minorities? what about Japanese internment camps and native americans?
On the 1933 elections. I once again say that those wern't free or fair elections. Next you'll say that Mugabe got 99% of the vote.
@manyardmurlson You realize it was written by men w/ the express intent of not allowing a government to do what was done to them for the majority of their lives, correct?
Slavery is why amendments exist. We saw that the Constitution failed at defining a right for all, and amended it. Simple.
The November 1933 elections were rigged. The March 1933 elections were multiple parties. Even before then, the Nazis were able to rig the 1933 elections through legal Democratic processes. You fail.
@jrsub3 No I do not fail. The March elections where not fair. The communist party leadership was arrested and there was widespread voter intimidation. Youre confused the 1932 November elections where the fair ones, the March 1933 the rigged one. Wikipedia sais the November 1932 where the last fair one, the one where the nazis didn't get a outright majority.
Banning a party and all of the above is not a "legal Democratic processes" despite what you think
@manyardmurlson Yes, I will admit I misspoke. But the Nov 1932 elections were fair, and in both elections, the Nazi party won a plurality of the population. The Nazis were the winners anyway, regardless. Democracy = biggest mob wins and rules over all other mobs. Simple.
Now it's your turn to pony up on why you believe some of the foolish things you do, like how a right to a minimum income can exist, but then proceed to have it vary based on nothing but nation of birth.
You Americans: "because we paid for it, it should go exactly as we want it to be!" No, your spoiled. In life you'll pay for stuff you don't want. So that other will pay for stuff they don't want but you'll get. Secondly the picture should not be released because there will still be people who won't belief it happened. There still people who even deny the moon landing. Beside that, you'll never know how it exactly happened anyway. And last, USA will have 9 % unemployment with obama or any other
@cheesandpinuts Once again, since you also have no respect for property, answer why someone's earned income should not go to things they deem their income to be worthy of? If you say it should be to "help the poor", why is this definition only extended to within the nation's borders? You can argue that charity is a good thing, and it certainly is, but you can't argue one group has a right to another's justly earned property.
Also, why will the USA have 9% unemployment? We didn't always.
@jrsub3 because it is not charity. If you just give someone money without getting anything back it's charity. This is different. For example. After school care for children. The whole of society pays so working-parents-children can be token care off. The benefit is not just for the parent or the employees of the after school care facility. But for the entire society. More people get wealthier-> more products being bought. Thus: spread wealth-> better economy -> more wealthier society.
@cheesandpinuts who decided on this scam? look how easy it is to steal other peoples money when you hide behind "the children" or "the common good" there is no end to the greed theft and misery that will follow.so this is what we have...because "its good for society" (yeach)...we want your money.wouldnt it be better for society if they let you keep your money and you decided if you wanted to make an after school program? no they have to steal it from you for your own good.disgusting..
@cheesandpinuts you mean like when bil clinton had an awesome plan to fight crime by having midnight basketball...give me a break.how much are you willing to steal in the name of the children and the common good? or a better question what is the limit of your power in the name of "the common good/society? what can you not do? for you are harming "the society" by making it poorer.as if we the tax payers are not of it.the society means everyone but us apparently.
@thebackbencher666 There two separate things, total wealth of a nation and welfare. Europeans are on average richer than Americans, but life in smaller houses, drive smaller cars, etc. I zoom-in on Scandinavian countries, the most socialistic centred, the happiest in the world, but not very flexible. America is one of the least happiest western nations. source: Forbes: The World's Happiest Countries. Please come with arguments not emotions. I still like to state that communism was bad of course
@cheesandpinuts hey im glad that forbes wrote a shitty article that means absolutely nothing,fact is the European economies are crumbling or on the verge of crumbling.if you want to deny that in the name of whatever social economic agenda you want to push be my guest.
@ the min income should be whatever is needed to survive and live with some comforts.
Askking if somebody deserves something is not meaningless at all. Numerous studies have shown that the capacity for hardwork is developed by the enviorment and genes.
An american is entitled to more than an indoniesian because that is what the americans have decided.
@manyardmurlson Now justify why someone's entitled to a minimum income.
And why is a person in Country A entitled to more than someone in Country B, if Country A is richer? Why are they not entitled to the same income? And who pays this income?
people are entitled to min income because if somebody can't afford to get by in life then it's not just there problem it's mine as well and if someone can't afford to go to school then it's not just there problem. its societies. why country A and not B. well firstly the people of A have decided to have min income for country of A. If the people of B want the same then they should vote in a goverment that does that.
@manyardmurlson You fail the logic test again. You first claim everyone should be entitled to a min income, but then totally wish-wash on the issue of what it should be. Since you fail to expand on why an American is entitled to a higher standard of living than an Indonesian, your entire idea of a "minimum income" is meaningless and has no basis in what a "natural right" actually is. Without government, those who produce nothing would perish w/out charity.
9+% are moving to Venus, Florida =)
look up Venus project
jmw1500 3 weeks ago
How are you supposed to say "go fuck yourself, policy makers, you're simply wrong on this issue!" if you can thus be arrested for siding with crime... If it applies this wide, how is this any different from a disagreement of policy?
We need a system that'll actually strike down on corruption aswell.
junoguten 3 weeks ago
Capitalism: the only jobs "plan" that will work.
halloranedward 4 weeks ago 7
cant you keep your negative comments to yourself, lee? i KNOW you can keep a positive news feed going to all of your viewers. not to say that you would lose alot of your conservative viewers, seeing as how they are hateful people! ohhhhhhhhhhhhh yeeeeeaaaaa!
jaybeze14 1 month ago
but these changing winds can blow cold and hostile...
Shukria123 5 months ago
@USAGymnast damn right Germany jailed people for destructing history and sending propaganda among the people of Germany that denied the Holocaust. My God, Nazi Germany killed around 6 million innocent people and how many Americans died for this cause? Shame on you for being such an unpatriotic American that disgraces the "greatest generation" in American history. Germany will not tolerate lies and propagande (like that that started WWII) again in their history.
razornet1 6 months ago
@thebackbencher666
Oh yeah one more thing. America lists 37th on the world list France is 1st, has public health care. Italy 2nd has public health care. San marino is 3rd has public health care. Andorra is 4th has public health care...the list goes on and on Netherlands, Britain, Germany, Japan, Norway, Sweden ALL have public health care ALL fare BETTER than the US. I might have been wrong on fs but this is just for a FACT (photius.com/rankings/healthranks.html)
Fangornmmc 8 months ago
@Fangornmmc part 1.you asked me to point out how the documentary was flawed....i did in my video response.acknowledge and we shall move on.end.
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@Fangornmmc soooooo....you aren't gonna dispute the john stosel part of my video proving that mocumentary by moor completely false? your just gonna babble on and on about social medicine aren't you.why dont you admit who you are? are you afraid? here is a hint folks ""The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But under the name of liberalism, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program"- ronald reagan.i can address your points but why should i? you wont address mine.
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@thebackbencher666 No I am not going to dispute your arguments, perhaps you are right and I am wrong, or perhaps its the other way around. Either way let me explain to you why I am a socialist, I am a socialist because I believe that it is in the nature of man to help one another. Socialism to me is about caring and sharing, you may view it otherwise, I do not care...If I lay mortally wounded on your doorstep I trust you'd help me even if you knew it was me, I'd do the same for you. Peace.
Fangornmmc 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc The problem with your views is that the society we live in is a complex inter-related society of 7 billion people. How can man help each other if man is not able to possess the infinite information required to help the whole of society by distributing resources? This is why those in the name of socialism have done the opposite of what they intended to do. Capitalism is moral because it places individual choice and private property as the bed-rock. It is a matter of principles.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc You can talk about the Europe with its general welfare system, but Europe lacks the open and dynamic economy that the United States possesses. This is why Americans earn higher incomes, have higher material standard of living and why the United States is still considered the land of opportunities more so than Europe. The US prizes on the idea of private profits and private losses. The second part is important but its what encourages and drives that American work ethic.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc The important thing to acknowledge is that you do not want to judge a system based on its intentions and goals, you want to judge a system based on the incentives it creates. This an important distinction that factors in the human condition and if you reason through it, you'll see that socialism is a system that creates many bad incentives in the name of sharing and caring.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
@GunsNRosesbitches Well, I support the idea, but I admit fully and completely that most if not all attempts at socialism have been flawed or failed. Most have turned in to dictatorship. Still, the idea of socialism in my ears is not something to be feared and I believe it can work if executed properly, perhaps a smaller scale is required. As far as judging goes, I try to stay away from judging as much as I can, and I fail often, I know that I don't know...(socrates) I hold to that ;)
Fangornmmc 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc Hunter-gatherer societies were, what Marx called them, a primitive communist society. They were a small group of human beings that "labored" cooperatively in order to survive. Cooperation, sharing and caring were very important in those societies. But we do not live in that world anymore. We live in a complex inter-related world of 7 billion people, whom rely on a very different mechanism of creating social harmony. The economic system is now guided by impersonal market forces.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc Socialism won't work effectively in a world where 7 billion people are cooperating via a mechanism that guides economic activities in a very impersonal way. The market forces, the price mechanism etc, are the signals that coordinate economic activities. These signals are not just signals, but rather they reflect the wants and needs of society as a whole, and by guiding economic activities according to these signals, we achieve the just distribution of resources as best as we can.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc Therefore, despite that capitalism creates serious inequality, and despite the apparent paradox that is about to be followed, capitalism achieves "just" distribution far better than any economic system that have been tried, including those in the name of sharing and caring. Capitalism is a system of powerful incentives, not a system based on utopian ideology. Incentives matter more than intentions and goals. Knowing the incentives a system creates, one can predict the results.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
@GunsNRosesbitches Capitalism didn't create inequality, the government did.
KittenKoder 4 weeks ago 7
@KittenKoder If you really want some fun... ask a liberal what kind of economic system allows property to be owned, but the government controls markets, and prices. They literally can't hear themselves say it.It's creepy, but funny.
halloranedward 4 weeks ago
@KittenKoder Capitalism by it's nature victimizes the weak or un-educated therefore it creates inequality by it's very nature. The government didn't do it, Banks and finacial institutions are responsible for the mess, going back to 1913 in USA and 1930 IN Canada they have been charging us interest on money they don't really have in the vault. In other words they are chrging us interest and getting very wealthy buy charging interest on money thats already ours in the first place.
MrROTD 1 week ago
@GunsNRosesbitches Most people just want to live in peace and safety so capitalism fails miserably. Capitalism means opportunity and innovation but it also means the weak and vulnerable get left out in the cold. I prefer Capitalism but I also like socialism for things like basic medical care and basic housing. I can't fully support a system that victimizes anyone who can't or won't play the game
MrROTD 1 week ago
@MrROTD You are being too harsh on capitalism. Before the spread of global capitalism, the world was a miserable & poor place.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 week ago
@Fangornmmc Socialism works fine in Sweden but there's no guarntee it will work elsewhere because the Swedish success is because of attitude. You can't have socialism in USA because people are too greedy and don't seem to care about the weak or vulnerable people. I like capitalism but the iniquity is just too much, the corporations are running our lives and the government allows them to essentially rob us blind. Few Canadians know that Canadian money is issued by private banks for example
MrROTD 1 week ago
@Fangornmmc well guns is doing a great job so i wont interrupt him.
thebackbencher666 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc This is because of the inaccessibility of US healthcare for millions of Americans. But remember, most Americans do have healthcare, private and public healthcare. When it comes to cutting-edge technology, emergency care and specialists...the US is #1 easily.
GunsNRosesbitches 3 months ago
@GunsNRosesbitches Hmm, I wouldn't know, I haven't researched whether or not that is true myself. If I rely on what I think is true then, you could be right. Still I wonder how much use all this technology is if not everyone can benefit from it (when in need of it).
Fangornmmc 1 month ago
@Fangornmmc The problem with US healthcare is that consumers have very limited options and do not see the costs of healthcare services because insurance pays for them. This makes healthcare something that is not really subject to market forces and consumer choice. This is why I feel American healthcare is so damn expensive because there is no downward pressure on healthcare costs. I believe in a more market-based consumer-driven healthcare system. This will create downward pressure on costs.
GunsNRosesbitches 1 month ago
Obama is gone in 2012
if you voted for obama to prove you weren't a racist
you will have to vote for someone else to prove you aren't an idiot
runsaber1 8 months ago
Freedom of speech? Are you serious? What about WIKILEAKS? Why did the US suppress Assange if they believe in freedom of expression.
cerritoboy 9 months ago
@cerritoboy noyoudont have the right as an employee of the us government to leak itssecrets endangering troops on the battlefield especially if your dumbenough to give to an organization that is going to edit what you give them to make their case.the famous collateral murder video was heavily edited.the full video has been released.why dontyou take a look at that.oh and by the way you dont have the freedom to grow your hair long,not wear your uniform correctly,or punch female officers in the fac
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@thebackbencher666 im not sure if you know that but bradley manning did punch a female officer in the face.look it up.when your in the military and are in uniform you cant even publicly bash the president.whats make you think you have the freedom to leak information?
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
Yea dude, we all want to see pictures of a dead extremist that will end all the conspiracy theories in the same way the photos of Elvis and 2 pac eliminated conspiracies. The U of Mich must be embarrassed by your videos. (signed 2004 Buckeye alumni)
daddygreenjeens 9 months ago
Why are you assuming I'm a liberal? I'm a libertarian I don't wan't anyone from the left or the right deciding how to live our lives.
functfusion 9 months ago
@USAGymnast
I agree. Nobody should have the right to NOT be offended.
I hate when people throw that word around. It usually means they are just looking for attention.
When you get down to it, It is your choice weather or not you choose to become offended.
ItsMeLegit 9 months ago
Obama won't release the photos for fear it will anger Muslims to more violence.
Cause we know that Killing Osama bin Laden didn't anger Muslims. WTF???
/sarcasm
AXESMI 9 months ago
"The Obama administration isn't being truthful about anything"
Well, at least you're not hiding your ridiculous bias.
dishonesttAbe 9 months ago
This IS definitely a better country
peppilapiu 9 months ago
more like 22%.
WakeUpWorldTV 9 months ago
Obama must apologize to South Carolina Rep. Joe Wilson (R) personally. Great video Lee, carry on smartly ! Germany free bwahahahah, My East Berlin escapee friend told me the only difference between Hitler Germany and post ww2 is that Hitler was dead. Same Government, same laws, no freedoms. You cannot mention Hitler by name for fear of JAIL ! If you smoke a cig in your car you go to JAIL !
real3tron3 9 months ago
uh i need to touch on a few things; that birth certificate is HEAVILY modified- its in damn layers. If they just said it was for clarity then it would cut down the conspiracies as well- but they aren't saying that. I never paid ANY attention to that subject until i saw that document (i don't think he wasn't born in the USA or whatever im just saying its annoyingly modified) also its higher then what they say it is.
dailyfinance (dot) com/2010/07/16/what-is-the-real-unemployment-rate/
im subbing
UrSoMeanBoss 9 months ago
Cain (spelling?) or Gingrich, I would take either one.
weseyedwalk 9 months ago
@OregonCritic very factual statement appreciate it
soccer92489 9 months ago
Well just another example of how Lee doesnt really know how the world works. The debate in Germany wasnt from a jugde it was from Christian religious leaders that where questioning about if you should be happy over the death of another human being. I am an american living in Germany and dont agree with the idea that America is just simply better (very ignorant viewpoint), Germany has in many ways a much better sense of freedom, equality, and values than in the U.S.A.
razornet1 9 months ago
@2bpilot As an example we have a pretty unique "press support". This means that anyone who wants to start a paper here can get significant financial aid from the government to get started (and keep going), regardless of what you will be writing about. Example: party Y is in power and I want to start a paper named "Anti Y!", the Y-government would still pay for the expenses I have to start this new paper - just to promote free speech. This exists to prevent something like the Berlusconi-syndrome.
Davey850 9 months ago
FAIR TAX WITH PER CAPITA CREDIT 2012!!
dissolve welfare, medicaid and food stamps and give EVERYONE a tax-credit (that runs positive meaning the government pays out to earners less than X amount).
fizzingwhizbeee 9 months ago
here's an idea Lee, the government never killed Osama, hes been dead for years. You'll never convince me that the world's most wanted "terrorist" was alive for 10 years with both of his kidneys completely failed. WAKE UP LEE I LOVE YOU MAN, BUT YOU GOTTA WAKE UP AND SEE THIS BS.
soccer92489 9 months ago
@2bpilot (ok, repost to you as well) In order of last years ranking on the international democracy index then (it's almost as accurate on ranking free speech)... Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, Finland, Switzerland, Canada and the Netherlands. The US comes in at nr 17. So don't believe the hype that "the US is the freest country in the world" - I'm from Sweden but I used to live in the US (college), and I can promise you that Sweden is more free than the US.
Davey850 9 months ago
I think i heard that if you burn the American flag u get arrested? Is that true? I don't call that freedom of speech
72strand 9 months ago
@72strand See people can hate America even though they live in it. ;)
nolvorite1234 9 months ago
@72strand ... no, flag burning is protected speech ... IIRC, the supreme court ruled on it. The only way you might get arrested for burning a flag is if you needed a permit in a given municipality to burn *anything* on public land ... even then you'd be getting arressed just for burning something rather than specifically for burning the flag.
MerlinYoda 9 months ago
Lee could you discuss the rise of gas prices and removal of big oil tax cuts and it's affect. How could removing tax cuts motivate oil companies to lower prices?
robm425 9 months ago
@robm425
I know i'm not Lee, but perhaps I can help explain. Taxes on companies reduce their profit margins. There are a few ways companies can make up for the profit loss due to taxes: reduce the pay of their employees, or raise the price on their products. Of course, they won't reduce employee pay for obvious reasons, so they increase the price on their oil naturally. So without taxes they won't need to increase their oil prices and will be forced to lower prices in order to stay competitive.
OddRobb 9 months ago
@OddRobb Well thanks I know all of this I just would like Lee to go through the logic of how with the purposed removal of 'tax cuts' from big oil (costing big oil more money) we can expect a drop in gas prices to drop 75 cents per gallon... Democrats are talking about taking the tax CUTs away from big oil so that makes me think the price of gas will only go up
robm425 9 months ago
@robm425
Oh I misunderstood. The proposed elimination of those tax deductions would likely reduce supplies and increase prices in the years ahead by discouraging investment in domestic production of oil and natural gas. So companies get tax deductions for sell and manufacturing in the US. As said before, it will become more expensive to operate and their increased prices would stifle growth and their competitiveness abroad. So prices would NOT drop at all. But id like to hear Lee's thoughts too
OddRobb 9 months ago
Huckabee is a better communicator than Cain. I love Cain, incredible guy with an inspiring story and business experience, but I would rather have a Governor. Just me, I am open to changing my mind.
To take on Obama, one of the most likeable Presidents in history, the GOP needs a stellar communicator. Remains to be seen if Huckabee is that guy, but if he does as well as he did last time around communicating his message, he might be able to do it.
I am skeptical/hopeful about the Fairtax.
chukmaty 9 months ago
your great buddy,
keep up the good work! =]
Lironzza 9 months ago
I saw that debate and I saw Frank Luntz interview that group. I would love to see Herman Cain. He will definitely make progress.
Gas prices are supposed to drop by as much as 50 cents per gallon by the summer, due to a stronger dollar and some deal that occurred. I've noticed the price of gas per barrell is at around 98 dollars a barrell.
31guitar 9 months ago
Lee, I agree with you all the way besides the flat tax and the oil prices.
a. Herman Cain will not win because he definitely won't get the minority vote, and
b. I totally disagree that Obama's policy is why gas is so high.
dw060682 9 months ago
Fortunately for us, Hitler wasnt one of our past leaders.
zrogoszinski 9 months ago
Hey everyone!
What do you think of a Rep. 2012 ticket with Herman Cain and Alan Keyes?
daveassanowicz 9 months ago
@daveassanowicz I would blow a load in my pants
31guitar 9 months ago
On one of the press briefings someone did in fact ask what they were looking at in the situation room; the press secretary said they were "getting updates" but that he couldn't disclose any more information.
SirColgrevance 9 months ago
...and it only cost the taxpayers a Trillion Dollars of failed Stimulus for 9% unemployment!
dantheleo 9 months ago
Most tea partiers support Ron Paul. He won the debate in the polls I've seen.
Visfen 9 months ago
his long form is a fake too!!!
thefullmonte2003 9 months ago
If unemployment is 9% than it sure has gone down.
JaysThoughts 9 months ago
@JaysThoughts yeah 1% after 2 years, yay
taylort123 9 months ago
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Alex is right on the Money.
Mrbeanutube 9 months ago
I saw an 2011 interview with George Bush, he is wonderful when he doesnt have to be politically correct :D
about the gas prices:
"I think americans should learn about supply and demand"
Or something like that
Terje1337 9 months ago
Wow you are ignorant... the US has "the most free speech" in the world? Get real, there are at least 10 countries that have much more rigorous free speech than the US.
Davey850 9 months ago
@Davey850 name them ;p
Lukefromdayton 9 months ago
@Lukefromdayton OK, in order of last years ranking on the international democracy index then (it's almost as accurate on ranking free speech)... Norway, Iceland, Denmark, Sweden, New Zealand, Australia, Finland, Switzerland, Canada and the Netherlands. The US comes in at nr 17. So don't believe the hype that "the US is the freest country in the world" - I'm from Sweden but I used to live in the US (college), and I can promise you that Sweden is more free than the US.
Davey850 9 months ago
Dude, we do have these hate speech laws!
insightfu 9 months ago
First, Al Qaeda admited that Osama is dead. Is that not proof to you? Second you don't even talk about unemployment until the last 1 minute of the video. You use total straw man arguements in ever single one of your video.
henrikroxs 9 months ago
@henrikroxs whats a straw man argument? that the obama administration keeps changing their story(18 times)? did you just read or overhear the term straw man and decided to use it? you in no way pointed to the specific straw man argument because you dont really know what the term means or how to properly use it.define lees straw man argument please.(for the record he never said he didnt believe he was dead but then again...well ill stop now.)
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
The Obama administration is a real hot mess, they need to get their shit together.
Chibithy 9 months ago 2
@Chibithy You're an idiot
henrikroxs 9 months ago
@Chibithy I'm sick of hot messes in Washington- Vote the Marxist out in 1012
Longeno55 9 months ago
LEE: Unemployment at 9% (the real unemployment rate is much higher) can be good & bad according to the antique media, it depends on who is in office. I agree that photos of Bin Laden's corpse should be released.
UTubekookdetector 9 months ago
@UTubekookdetector hahahaha
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
We may have freedom of speech, but our right to privacy has been destroyed over the past ten years. Unfortunately there are a lot of countries out there that have stronger privacy rights than the USA.
pqwilrj 9 months ago
@pqwilrj really? so taking the rico statures and using them against terrorists is a bad idea? not only is it a good idea it should have been done pre 911.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666 I'm talking about things like airport scanners, gropings (neither of which would have stopped the 9/11 hijackers), CIPAV, PATRIOT Act, and a host of other things that allows the government to abuse law-abiding citizens. "The man who'd trade his liberty for a safe and dreamless sleep doesn't deserve the both of them, and neither shall he keep."
pqwilrj 9 months ago
@pqwilrj im referring to the patriot act.i could care less about airport scanners. pat downs and racial profiling of muslim men epically from unstable islamic countries would have stopped 911(yes patting down granny is stupid)
im seeing tons of leftists all overyoutube go with this line lately "the first amendment/2nd is great but we dont have jobs/healthcare/privacy rights" i dont know who told you this is a logical argument for anything but its not.your the third person to do that.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666 whoops that word was supposed to be especially .
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666 I'm not sure why you think I'm a leftist. I'm a libertarian with traditional values..
pqwilrj 9 months ago
@pqwilrj i apologize.i just see a lot of "well the constitution is great however insert current day problem here"....
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666 No problem. The internet can make conversations confusing sometimes.
pqwilrj 9 months ago
Well the birth certificate is a damned fraud, as is obvious by the numerous YT videos showing the changes that occurred on the document. As for bin Laden's death, I have no doubt that he's been executed. Illegal? hardly.
captaindiesalot 9 months ago
If Osama "was" Assassinated it is not ILLEGAL Period.Anyone who disagrees, point me to a Constitutional or State Law that Prohibits the Killing of a Enemy Agent actively targeting Americans or Our Allies for Death.Osama was a Free Agent a TERRORIST and by his own actions,was and forever will be outside the Geneva Convention and hes never worn or acted on behalf of a Country or Military that has Signed the Geneva Convention. He forfeited any Human Rights Protections by Murdering Civilians.Get it?
Synapticsnap 9 months ago
@Synapticsnap
We need to raid the narcoterrorist drug cartels in Mexico the same way...
We could also stop the U.S. Justice Department from using the ATF to send them any more guns.
SirWinstoneChurchill 9 months ago
@Synapticsnap you didn't have to do that....anyone who has to make that statement isnt talking to a rational human being.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
CAIN WAS IN THE FED ! RON PAUL 2012
readyxxi 9 months ago 2
simply better.... in one aspect. you seem to speak like this one thing makes your country better, end of story. think about this for a minute, you will understand why this is naive.
xentech 9 months ago
@xentech America is better for all kinds of reasons. America was founded with its principles and ideals largely on the basis that Europe is broken. Sorry.
adrius 9 months ago
@xentech what? what the hell does that mean? what are you talking about? make sense please.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
*8.7%
FTFY
MrBawbawbawbawbaw 9 months ago
Lee why I do agree we need oil independence and the gov't with its monstrous withholdings of American Drilling or Free market prices effects our gas, look at the US dollar and compare it to Oil, As the Dollar goes down, Oil rises in Price, a good way the Gov't could help in this situation is hold off on excessive inflation. Its not helping the situation.
RamsdenB 9 months ago
A correction to your gas price comment: Actually gas prices are really low at this time, its the US dollar that's gone down, not gas prices going up. Back in 2000 you could buy 3 gallons of gas for 1oz of silver. Today you can buy 12. So relative to silver (real money) gas is only 1/4 as expensive as in 2000. The US dollar is collapsing, that should be the news but few want to acknowledge it.
Recon777x 9 months ago 2
@Recon777x wrong. you're assuming that the price of gas is tied directly to the price of silver. it isn't.
cristoballs 9 months ago
@cristoballs Doesn't matter. Silver and gold are real money - have been throughout human history. Its the fiat dollar that's going down and that's why everything looks like its getting more expensive (relative to the USD). If you view commodity prices relative to REAL money, things are actually getting cheaper. The problem is, almost nobody HAS real money.
Recon777x 9 months ago
@Recon777x that still doesn't explain why gas prices have risen so sharply, when compared to other goods and services. yes, we all know the dollar is being devalued. that's a given. but shouldn't the rise in the price of gas be consistent with the rise in the price of everything else we buy?
cristoballs 9 months ago
@cristoballs Ah. Well that's probably because gas prices respond immediately to economic changes, where other commodities have a delayed response due to supply chain movements. Or perhaps the gas prices have been suppressed (like silver) artificially, and that suppression suddenly ended. There's many factors as to why prices shift suddenly. But you can expect a LOT more of this coming up. I pay $6/gal where I live. Enjoy your prices while they last!!
Recon777x 9 months ago
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Why don't you ever talk about Ron Paul?
Trimbler00 9 months ago
@3215murph Good choice, although I prefer Gary Johnson.
PissedFechtmeister 9 months ago
i agree free speech is a valuable right. But, be honest here. I rather live in a country with limited free speech (Merkel is only being caught on this because she is a VIP) but with health care in which I can't bleed to death on the street even if I do not have the money to pay for all the surgery. That is Germany, I am not German but Dutch and I strongly believe that altough Free speech is a important right it causes more trouble than it resolves, now face your real demon, health care.
Fangornmmc 9 months ago
@Fangornmmc I took you seriously until your "it (free speech) causes more trouble than it resolves..." comment
JoshMcRay 9 months ago
@JoshMcRay hahaha yeah..i agree..
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@Fangornmmc Limited free speech is not an option in a truly free country. Who is to decide what you are allowed to say? And what the fuck does health care have to do with free speech?
ricksterZ 9 months ago
@Fangornmmc You're right. Let's make freedom of speech illegal. Then I can waterboard you for your idiotic comments.
TheShipOfTheseus 9 months ago
@Fangornmmc it causes more trouble then it resolves? please please expound on that cause im sure you want a state run system for healthcare while at the same time not being a big fan of the first amendment.i smell a brown shirted drone.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666
Well freedom of speech is quite dubious on itself. There is this undefinable edge between giving your opinion and insulting others. All I am saying is that I care more about a healthcare system that does not rely on funds but that is funded by the govt. itself. People give money to the govt. via taxes and when people are injured the govt. pays for them. "Sicko" might have been a bit dramatised but it illustrates my point.
This is of course, subjective.
Fangornmmc 8 months ago
@Fangornmmc no there is no definable edge between giving your opinion and insulting others.its called freedom. i know this is a novel concept for you.you have the right to insult whomever you want.freedom of speech wasnt created to protect speech that everyone agrees with.quite the contrary.speech that is accepted does not need protection.it is precisely un popular speech/insults swearing etc that need protection.your not winning any over to your side of any argument when you dont believe in fs
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@Fangornmmc and all me and lee are saying that it is much better to have a system of government where one is allowed to make enough money so they can do what they want instead of having the government which other then war (which by the way involves death and destruction of property...the only real thing it sometimes gets right) is proven to be utterly useless be in charge of ones health.
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@Fangornmmc i think those viewing our conversation have to take note that you in defense of national healhcare are dancing around whether free speech is really that important or should exist plus you use as your basis a self admitted flawed documentary.where are the legs to your arguments?
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@thebackbencher666 Well to quote you: " ..a self admitted flawed documentary.." like you said I base myself on that documentary and the evidence provide therein. You call this "flawed" I think, therefore, you are the one that should come up with a valid argument to prove to me why its flawed or even worse..."self admitted flawed". Also I base this on experience. Independ of how rich or poor I am or will be, in my country I will never have to worry about health care EVER. How's that?
Fangornmmc 8 months ago
@Fangornmmc my response as to how mister moors video is flawd is in video form...its a response to this video...look below and you will see a video entitled ronald reagan reviews Michal moors sicko...on a side note i have no idea how you twisted this into being on me to prove to you something you said was true but i will indulge you...
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@Fangornmmc to quote you ""Sicko" might have been a bit dramatised but it illustrates my point." define "a bit dramatized" ladies and gentleman what weve got is some one who supports national healthcare based on a documentary that is in his own words is "a bit dramatized" and will at times bash the first amendment to get there.is this the kind of thinking you follow folks?
thebackbencher666 8 months ago
@thebackbencher666 [p1]I think a government should care for it's people...for ALL of it's people, regardless of their income or social status. That's what healthcare should do, extremely simple and in my eyes extremely logical. With the current system people simply die because they can't afford care. What we've got here is a fellow that allows people to get killed whilst there is a far better and fairer alternative. Also with public health care you won't pay $23000 for one operation
Fangornmmc 8 months ago
@thebackbencher666 [p2] but instead of $23000 per operation you'll pay..say $120 per person per month, I don't know the exact figures I must admit. Also I said I based it on experience, obviously you ignored that but let me give you an example. If I get overun by a car today will I later have to sell half of my household to pay for the medical suregeries and so? Hell no! I just pay, like everyone, a simple monthly fee. If I feel sick I can go to the doctor anytime without extra costs.
Fangornmmc 8 months ago
@thebackbencher666 [p3] That's what I support, to me that's what I've grown up with. "My" system doesn't kill yours does, how hard is to figure which one's better? And as far as freedom of speech is concerned (which I am aware of Americans get all freaked out about once you note it's disadvantages) I DO support freedom of speech but it is inherently dubious. I don't think racism should for example be tolerated yet that is a certain form of free speech, same with nazism...see the point?
Fangornmmc 8 months ago
Cannot sensor speech? Look at Bradley Manning
ANGRYMAPLE 9 months ago
@ANGRYMAPLE Bradley manning illegally gave out highly sensitive classified military materiel during a time of war with the intent of harming the national security of our country.being a thief and an agitator does not automatically make one a free speech advocate.he should be executed by firing squad for treason.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@jsub3
As Aristotle said Goverment needs to go further than just maintainig rights or providing a good business climate. It needs to enrich it's citizens lives. But somehow from our previous conversations i don't think you'll agree with me there.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson what is the exact quote please...
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666
it's: "A state's purpose is not merely to provide a living but to make a life that is good"; otherwise, he comments. "it might be made up of slaves or animals other than man,"
But there are others i think.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson If there is a philosophical Atlas who carries the whole of Western civilization on his shoulders, it is Aristotle. He has been opposed, misinterpreted, misrepresented, and—like an axiom—used by his enemies in the very act of denying him. Whatever intellectual progress men have achieved rests on his achievements.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson For Aristotle, the good life is one of personal self-fulfillment. Man should enjoy the values of this world. Using his mind to the fullest, each man should work to achieve his own happiness here on earth. And in the process he should be conscious of his own value. Pride, writes Aristotle—a rational pride in oneself and in one’s moral character—is, when it is earned, the “crown of the virtues.”A proud man does not negate his own identity.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666 He does not sink selflessly into the community. He is not a promising subject for the Platonic state.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson
Aristotle is kinda old
NinjaFilip 9 months ago
Come on this again? You know I don't think the friuts are justly youres.
Some people are born with talents considered usefull by their society. In ancient sparta bieng the strongest in 16th spain pious ect. But the talents are no more there own doing than wether there gay or straight. Therefore people don't deserve what they get. The Nazis didn't gain power in a functioning democracy (voter intimidation). Zimbawbe's not a democracy. I don't know what natural rights from nature are?
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
because the best way to govern is to allow the majority to decide, within a basic framework of a fallible constatution that can be changed if there is enough of a consensus.
The problem with liberatarianism is that it allows, excuses and justifies massive poverty, inequality and horrible life for all but a tiny minority of people who have the wealth and consequently power.
Furthermore it blocks any way to reform itself by zealously adering to principls laid down hundereds of years ago.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson Are you serious? You've gone off the deep end.
Look throughout history, and you'd see the middle class generally did not exist UNTIL government's power was lessened. Big government concentrated the wealth and power to a few. In the case of Democracy, the majority decided how to govern Zimbabwe, how's that turned out?
Of course Constitutions are fallible, and it's mind boggling that you'd try to claim something written by a human has flaws, in order to justify your position.
jrsub3 9 months ago
@jrsub3 What point of mine are you arguing with particulary. The inequalities thing?
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson Everything, really, you've simply hurt my brain.
You've argued that mob rule is the best rule, that natural rights are defined by a government and not, well, nature, and you argued that the Nazis didn't use the Democratic process to seize power. These are simply, nontruths.
jrsub3 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson On the point of a "standard of living", the vast majority of people would agree with you, even hard right wingers like myself. HOWEVER, you are defining this as a RIGHT. Charity is not a right. No one is entitled to the justly earned fruits of one's labor. You are making a horrible intellectual jump between what is proper, and what is a right.
It is a right to keep the fruits of one's labor. If they decide others could be better served by these fruits, this is charity. Simple.
jrsub3 9 months ago
First of all I'm not a liberal and we should have a minimum wage because society should have a certain standard of living that none of it's citizens fall below.
All the "mobs" or political parties as grownups call them above 1% and other than the nationalists where central or left wing and anti nazi. I'm not against constatutions but they are fallible. For example the 1992 russian constatutoion just reflects mob rule of that time. same for youres.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
Al gore took Viagra and I hear he grew 3 inches TALLER.
jimisback 9 months ago
If the other mobs had wanted to unite and defeat hitler they could have. therefore democracy did not fail.
I'm talking about a minimum wage say $10 per hour. Not you het 20k for doing nothing.
It varies on nation of birth because that is what each country has decided. If the people of Belgium think people should get $4 per hour and those of Uruguay $15 per hour it's to them AS NATIONS AND SOCIETIES.
Furthermore you havn't given any critique of my comment below.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson The comment about speculators? Go see what happened when speculation was banned on onions, if anything the price fluctuation became more extreme. There's no conspiracy on prices.
Jesus Christ, are you the b-team of liberal debating? Be a challenge. You have NOT DEFINED A RIGHT TO A MINIMUM WAGE. You are defining an arbitrary point. People do not have a right to charity, and people don't magically make more money because a bureaucrat waves a magic wand.
jrsub3 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson And even if the other mobs, for some weird reason, banded together despite vast political differences and goals to form one faction against the Nazis, that's no guarantee they'd a) beat the Nazis, or b) that another extremist faction wouldn't pop up. Mob rule is a downfall to society. Republican forms of government, w/ Constitutional limits to their power, have proven themselves to be the best at protecting liberty, promoting growth, and improving the lives of the little man.
jrsub3 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson And also, you use all-caps like you just drove home a point, but it still begs the question as to why if 51% of people in Uruguay want everyone to make a minimum salary of $30,000 / yr (anyone making less gets a check for the difference), why then they are allowed to take from those making $30,001 or more to achieve this goal? Your idea of "free money" is as meaningless as the idea of "free health care". Why are people, by country, more entitled to these "rights" than others?
jrsub3 9 months ago
The problem with liberatarianism is that it allows, excuses and justifies massive poverty, inequality and horrible life for all but a tiny minority of people who have the wealth and consequently power.
Furthermore it blocks any way to reform itself by zealously adering to principls laid down hundereds of years ago.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
When you say "WE" saw the constatution had failed and ammened it arn't you advocating mob rule. Also you didn't explain ever japanese interment or native american land grabs.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
The Nazis "won" in very unfair elections. Also he didn't win the majority of the people of germany. if the other parties had united they could have stoped him.
A constatution is really preserving the "mob rule" of a group of people at a certain time. Then saying it's infallible.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson How do you know that the Nazis wouldn't have gotten 50.1% or more had there been one alliance of parties v. the Nazis? The DNVP was aligned w/ the Nazis anyway.
And that's a horrifically meaningless statement. The purpose of a Constitution is to define the role of government. The Bill of Rights limited the government from infringing on the individual. The Bill of Rights protects individuals, no matter what direction political tides turn. Please read a history book.
jrsub3 9 months ago
@jrsub3
The constatution limits the power of majorities but consider who created it. It was just whoever had the most power and influence at the time. Furthermore how can it be perfect when it continued slavery, didn't give women the vote ect.
And did it even protect indaviduals and minorities? what about Japanese internment camps and native americans?
On the 1933 elections. I once again say that those wern't free or fair elections. Next you'll say that Mugabe got 99% of the vote.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson You realize it was written by men w/ the express intent of not allowing a government to do what was done to them for the majority of their lives, correct?
Slavery is why amendments exist. We saw that the Constitution failed at defining a right for all, and amended it. Simple.
The November 1933 elections were rigged. The March 1933 elections were multiple parties. Even before then, the Nazis were able to rig the 1933 elections through legal Democratic processes. You fail.
jrsub3 9 months ago
@jrsub3 No I do not fail. The March elections where not fair. The communist party leadership was arrested and there was widespread voter intimidation. Youre confused the 1932 November elections where the fair ones, the March 1933 the rigged one. Wikipedia sais the November 1932 where the last fair one, the one where the nazis didn't get a outright majority.
Banning a party and all of the above is not a "legal Democratic processes" despite what you think
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson Yes, I will admit I misspoke. But the Nov 1932 elections were fair, and in both elections, the Nazi party won a plurality of the population. The Nazis were the winners anyway, regardless. Democracy = biggest mob wins and rules over all other mobs. Simple.
Now it's your turn to pony up on why you believe some of the foolish things you do, like how a right to a minimum income can exist, but then proceed to have it vary based on nothing but nation of birth.
jrsub3 9 months ago
You Americans: "because we paid for it, it should go exactly as we want it to be!" No, your spoiled. In life you'll pay for stuff you don't want. So that other will pay for stuff they don't want but you'll get. Secondly the picture should not be released because there will still be people who won't belief it happened. There still people who even deny the moon landing. Beside that, you'll never know how it exactly happened anyway. And last, USA will have 9 % unemployment with obama or any other
cheesandpinuts 9 months ago
@cheesandpinuts Once again, since you also have no respect for property, answer why someone's earned income should not go to things they deem their income to be worthy of? If you say it should be to "help the poor", why is this definition only extended to within the nation's borders? You can argue that charity is a good thing, and it certainly is, but you can't argue one group has a right to another's justly earned property.
Also, why will the USA have 9% unemployment? We didn't always.
jrsub3 9 months ago
@jrsub3 because it is not charity. If you just give someone money without getting anything back it's charity. This is different. For example. After school care for children. The whole of society pays so working-parents-children can be token care off. The benefit is not just for the parent or the employees of the after school care facility. But for the entire society. More people get wealthier-> more products being bought. Thus: spread wealth-> better economy -> more wealthier society.
cheesandpinuts 9 months ago
@cheesandpinuts who decided on this scam? look how easy it is to steal other peoples money when you hide behind "the children" or "the common good" there is no end to the greed theft and misery that will follow.so this is what we have...because "its good for society" (yeach)...we want your money.wouldnt it be better for society if they let you keep your money and you decided if you wanted to make an after school program? no they have to steal it from you for your own good.disgusting..
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@cheesandpinuts you mean like when bil clinton had an awesome plan to fight crime by having midnight basketball...give me a break.how much are you willing to steal in the name of the children and the common good? or a better question what is the limit of your power in the name of "the common good/society? what can you not do? for you are harming "the society" by making it poorer.as if we the tax payers are not of it.the society means everyone but us apparently.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@thebackbencher666 There two separate things, total wealth of a nation and welfare. Europeans are on average richer than Americans, but life in smaller houses, drive smaller cars, etc. I zoom-in on Scandinavian countries, the most socialistic centred, the happiest in the world, but not very flexible. America is one of the least happiest western nations. source: Forbes: The World's Happiest Countries. Please come with arguments not emotions. I still like to state that communism was bad of course
cheesandpinuts 9 months ago
@cheesandpinuts hey im glad that forbes wrote a shitty article that means absolutely nothing,fact is the European economies are crumbling or on the verge of crumbling.if you want to deny that in the name of whatever social economic agenda you want to push be my guest.
thebackbencher666 9 months ago
@ the min income should be whatever is needed to survive and live with some comforts.
Askking if somebody deserves something is not meaningless at all. Numerous studies have shown that the capacity for hardwork is developed by the enviorment and genes.
An american is entitled to more than an indoniesian because that is what the americans have decided.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
Every time you make a dig at Alex Jones, thousands of kittens are born.
Folderol1992 9 months ago
Freedom of: Relegion, free speech, min income, the vote. This could take a while
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson Now justify why someone's entitled to a minimum income.
And why is a person in Country A entitled to more than someone in Country B, if Country A is richer? Why are they not entitled to the same income? And who pays this income?
jrsub3 9 months ago
@jrsub3
people are entitled to min income because if somebody can't afford to get by in life then it's not just there problem it's mine as well and if someone can't afford to go to school then it's not just there problem. its societies. why country A and not B. well firstly the people of A have decided to have min income for country of A. If the people of B want the same then they should vote in a goverment that does that.
manyardmurlson 9 months ago
@manyardmurlson You fail the logic test again. You first claim everyone should be entitled to a min income, but then totally wish-wash on the issue of what it should be. Since you fail to expand on why an American is entitled to a higher standard of living than an Indonesian, your entire idea of a "minimum income" is meaningless and has no basis in what a "natural right" actually is. Without government, those who produce nothing would perish w/out charity.
jrsub3 9 months ago